Deep Impact ... Dangerous Disclosures
One of the first things you notice doing this "blog thing" are the many distractions that suddenly vie for your attention in the so-called "blogosphere."
Terrorists (again) blowing up more things ... and killing more truly clueless people; a U.S. District Court Judge sending a journalist -- with something totally priceless these days, integrity -- to jail ... for simply holding to her (and her profession's) ultimate promise on behalf of all of us ... "to protect a source"; and, oh yes, the Olympic Committee -- against all the favorite money -- picking London over Paris ... for the 2012 Summer Olympics.
2012 ....
Now, there's a MAJOR distraction!
So, how -- I can hear the literally thousands of you (according to our stats) who are coming here to read these things now saying, in the midst of all these other "relevant" stories -- can I be writing another column (sorry, blog ...) on "Deep Impact?"
Wasn't that yesterday's news?
Because ... in my opinion (remember, this is about my opinion?) it is the only lasting story, among all that's gone on this week, which will ultimately affect all our lives ... which will (along with other coming "revelations") perhaps one day even decide the fate of all humankind ....
So, as Walter (that's "Walter Cronkite" to you) told me many times in the years I served as his CBS Science Advisor: "Stay on the main story, that's the only way you will ever get to the truth ...."
It's what Woodward and Bernstein did, many years later, and look what happened there:
A President of the United States ultimately forced to resign ... when enough of the shananigans of his illegal and unconstitutional activities (and those of his cohorts) finally came to light ... mostly, because Woodward and Bernstein were relentless ... because they "stayed on the story."
Can that happen with NASA?
Can its increasingly obvious (and unconstitutional) cover-ups of what it's found all these years "out there" -- including, what really happened the other morning when it rammed a $333-million-dollar piece of tax-payer hardware (now, who made up THAT number ..?) into an object appropriately named "Tempel 1" ... and then, has been sitting on ALL the good data for almost a full week now (five full days ...) -- truly be exposed?
And, will anyone (beyond those coming here ...) ultimately care if they're hiding remarkable new evidence which totally undermines "the standard comet model ...?"
Will anyone truly realize this is just "the tip of the proverbial iceberb" (sorry ...)?
I dunno.
But, I'm damn well going to keep trying ....
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The headline last night on the official JPL Deep Impact website (it's now changed) was either the most astonishing "coincidence," given what we're reporting ... or, it was someone's cute idea inside JPL of "a leak in plain sight." For it clearly stated:
"Quiet Before the Storm" ....
If the "secret" Deep Impact Mission spectral data we've been seeking for the past few days truly has revealed what we suspect, it is indeed "the lull ... before the coming storm."
For, preliminary post-impact spectral data acquired by two other, independent science teams outside the Deep Impact Mission, and just published on the Internet (let's hear it for the web!!) -- one ground-based, the other using another state-of-the-art NASA space asset -- seems to strongly point in the direction that Tempel 1 is NOT a comet after all ....
Or, that "comets" are not really comets ... at least, in the way NASA has been thinking of them all these years ....
These first independent, post-Impact spectral observations are reported here -- an initial set of readings acquired from NASA's "SWIFT" satellite in Earth-orbit.
Swift was launched November 20, 2004, to be a "rapid reaction observatory" -- seeking new and timely multi-spectral data on the mysterious 40-year phenomenon of "deep space, high energy emissions, called 'gamma-ray bursts'"-- literally billions of light years away!
However, Swift's unique arsenal of multi-spectral "gamma-ray," "x-ray" and "ultraviolet" detectors, coupled with its vantage point in the vacuum of space, and its also unique "rapid-response" managerial system for pointing the spacecraft quickly at "breaking" celestial events, made it perfect for this Mission: to monitor and record a variety of rapidly changing spectral features occurring with an object almost "in our celestial backyard," Tempel 1 ... before, during and after Impact last Sunday night ....
According to the official Swift Tempel 1 press release:
"Summary - (Jul 6, 2005) Scientists monitoring NASA's Swift satellite had a good view of Deep Impact's collision with Comet Tempel 1. Although the space-based observatory was designed to watch for gamma ray bursts, its instruments were handy for this observation since it can see in several wavelengths at the same time. One of its most important observations from the impact is a quick rise in ultraviolet light. This means that the impactor struck a hard surface, as opposed to something soft and snowy ..."
This (below) is the actual Swift plot of the abrupt brightening of Tempel 1, as Deep Impact collided with the Comet just before 6:00 AM, Greenwich Mean Time. Note the sharp rise in UV "light." The official (slightly misleading -- the chart covers the time before and after Impact ...) caption is presented just below the graph.
5 July: This chart shows the sudden brightening and gradual decline in ultraviolet light detected by Swift during the first 15 hours after the Deep Impact experiment on Comet Tempel 1. Gaps occur when Swift's 96-minute orbit takes it to the opposite side of the Earth from Comet Tempel
The critical aspect of these observations is the remarkably courageous published early assessment by the Swift Science Team:
"... one of its most important observations from the impact is a quick rise in ultraviolet light. This means that the impactor struck a hard surface, as opposed to something soft and snowy [emphasis added] ..."
Since the foundation of the standard NASA cometary model is that these objects are "snowball-like, pristine, primordial objects" -- essentially unchanged in the entire 4.5 billion-year-old history of the solar system (that's why we went there, according to the official NASA Mission Statement) -- if Deep Impact collided with an anomalously "hard surface," Tempel 1 CANNOT be "primordial" ... and certainly not "snowy!"
Even if it formed that way, something about it has obviously dramatically changed sinced its formation ... since the slow, fluffly accretion of the millions of tiny, icy "snowflakes" came together (in the NASA model) to gently form such a (eventually) miles-across, micro-gravity icy object. Yet, what makes such an "evolutionary" model for such an original object ultimately untenable is that Tempel 1 couldn't have evolved into anything approaching this type of hardened surface ... under the almost zero-gravity conditions of comet-sized objects--
In other words: because of this one key observation, Tempel 1 CANNOT be "a primordial, fluffy ball of snow and ice!"
But, even more important, this historic observation says Tempel 1 must be made from something with a much higher tensile strength ... like rock ... or even metal!
Like maybe--
An asteroid ... or (in the EPH model, the same thing): a small, surviving chunk of a former planetary-sized, high-gravity body!
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The second independently released Tempel 1 post-Impact spectral observation is even more provocative -- and fully supports the previous Swift satellite UV results: a set of mid-infrared spectra from the major "Gemini North" 8.1-meter telescope 14,000 feet up on Mauna Kea, Hawaii.
According to the official Gemini North press release:
"'... The properties of the mid-infrared light were completely transformed after impact,' said David Harker of the University of San Diego, co-investigator for the research team. 'In addition to brightening by a factor of about 4, the characteristics of the mid-infrared light was like a chameleon and within five minutes of the collision it looked like an entirely new object.' Harker's research partner Chick Woodward of the University of Minnesota speculated further, 'We are possibly seeing crystalline silicates which might even be similar to the beach sand here in Hawaii! This data will keep us busy trying to figure out the size and composition of these grains to better understand the similarities and differences between the material contained within comets and other bodies in the solar system [emphasis added] ..."
This is simply startling, particularly Woodward's comments: "... we are possibly seeing crystalline silicates which might even be similar to the beach sand here in Hawaii [emphasis added]!"
"Beach sand" ... on a COMET??!!
The discovery of "crystalline silicates" inside an object like Tempel 1 would normally not be unexpected. They were, in fact, spectrally observed several years ago in the coma of the giant comet, "Hale-Bopp."
And, recent observations by the ESA Infrared Space Observatory (ISO) -- of conditions in both the atmospheres of aging stars ("red giants") and in protoplanetary discs (pre-stellar dusty environments, which could contain forming planets ...) -- have now revealed ample evidence of such "crystalline silicates" elsewhere in the Galaxy. In the protoplanetary discs of such forming stars, conditions producing the observed silicate minerals could easily also be creating larger, cometary objects out of these materials (though, invisible to the current generation of telescopes) ... which will eventually go on to form planets -- exactly as the current "NASA standard cometary model" would predict.
The problem comes from that other independent spectral observation of Tempel 1 immediately following Impact -- the presence of that initial UV (high temperatrure) flash recorded by Swift ... indicating that a very "hard" Tempel 1 surface stopped Deep Impact's "impactor" very fast on impact.
That also strongly indicates that Tempel 1 is NOT a "fluffy accretion" of pristine nebular ices and pre-planetary crystalline silicates ... but a much more evolved object, which was formed by its one-time presence in a vastly higher strength gravitational field ... on a major planet ....
Now, examine carefully Chick Woodward's extremely tantalizing statement: "[the] silicates ... might even be similar to the beach sand here in Hawaii ...."
Why choose THAT particular comparison ... unless you meant it?
"Beach sand" is a highly specific, very weathered end product of a long history of planetary sedimentary processes ... which can take place only on highly evolved, Earth-like (or, Mars-like) planets (with lots of flowing, liquid water)! To make that specific comparison, as a scientist, one can only think that Woodward was directly hinting at the "exploded planet hypothesis" itself ... but without naming it as such--
Evidence that "the word" has gone out about these crucial "Tempel 1 post-impact spectral observations" -- and that some scientists in NASA's ad hoc "Deep Impact observation network" are "uncomfortable" with keeping totally silent on the implications of such a potentially MAJOR set of revolutionary "comet" observations.
In other words -- even if they do have NASA grants -- these guys are still acting like real scientists!
In those first hours after Impact, as the first close-up images came in, more than one commentor (and even some members of the Deep Space Science Team) couldn't help but remark on NASA TV how "much like an asteroid Tempel 1 looks!"
Of course, what both these latest, independent spectral observations have done is move us significantly toward Van Flandern's long-held scientific position -- that "asteroids" and "comets" are ... THE SAME THING!
Asteroids" are simply "baked out" comets. Their orbits have either kept them near the sun, or taken them near it so often (from subsequent planetary perturbations, like close-approaches to Jupiter) ... that their former frozen reservoirs of water (from their days as part of a major planet) are now totally GONE (at least, on the surface).
Thus, in Tom's model, these former pieces of an exploded "Earth-like" world now orbiting too close to the sun, have turned into literally thousands of long-dorment "rocky-looking" objects -- which we've called "the asteroids" as a result ....
"Comets" are simply the parental, still water-logged, PRE-"asteroidal" phase of THE SAME OBJECTS ... big chunks of this exploded planet's former CRUST -- blown deep into space by the explosion ... so deep (for most of them) that as they come back around the sun FOR THE FIRST FEW TIMES millions of years later, their water is still vaporizing in the vacuum of space ... and (because of the essentially non-existent gravity of these tiny objects) blowing off forever ... carrying with it a host of other loose materials (like other ices and dust) ....
The discovery of "beach sand" on Tempel 1 is a BIG clue that Tom and I are REALLY right about this ... that these "cometary" and "asteroidal" objects are in fact the SAME objects ... all surviving bits and pieces (in various states) of a former, highly evolved, entire PLANET that once orbited the sun where the asteroid belt now lies -- not "pristine" primordial accretions as NASA insists ... AT ALL!!
And, as such, this major Tempel 1 confirmation -- from (so far ...) two, independent teams -- now comes with ALL the other major implications of such an exploded world: "Mars as a former moon" of the exploded planet; "the real origins of Humankind"; "a former HD interplanetary war," etc., etc., etc.
"The whole NASA house of cards" ....
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Of course, the "smoking gun" for deciding which model is more supported by the historic "Deep Impact Experiment"-- the standard NASA accretionary theory, or our (and Van Flandern's) EPH model -- will only come from the on-site Deep Impact spectra themselves.
All other telescopic or spacecraft observations were made from simply too far away (~ 80 million miles) to catch the relatively faint -- but critical -- high speed initial events which took place IMMEDIATELY after Impact. Events which will be essential to analyzing the rapid evolution of the initial plasma jet that erupted from inside Tempel 1 ... following Impact, turning into that vast, expanding cloud of "dust" seen in the few released Deep Impact images, as the intensely heated gases cooled ... and the vast spray of micron-size, efficiently light-scattering particles seen in the now classic "look back" image formed (below) ....
Unfortunately -- judging by JPL's continued "deafening silence" on its own critical post-impact spectral observations, and endless "recycling" of the same half dozen shots (this one, above, has only been "rotated and colorized" on the official JPL Deep Impact website!) -- that tantalizing (and completely ambiguous) "final image" may be all we have ... for a long time.
Stay tuned.
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181 Comments:
I don't think NASA or JPL is responsible for this. Someone higher is holding the purse strings and telling them what they can and can't tell.
Thanks, RCH, for taking the time to do the political calculations - it's so refreshing !
Are we witnessing Voyages of Discovery ? Or Voyages of Suppression with revelations and spin ?
There are definitely scientists on this planet worthy of our funding to explore the frontier without filtering their opinions.
Do you think out best scientists know that NASA is not a space agency, but rather a filtering agency, contracting out the real work to real scientists.
Lesley,
I agree: the real chain of command goes FAR higher ....
Cryptosemiotician,
Both. We pay for it ... they get to keep the good stuff.
So ... what does that make us?
It makes me go to Enterprise Mission to get the 3D glasses :-)
Mr. Hoagland
It does look like an asteroid. It caught my attention the first times I saw these images, but I hadn’t really thought about it. Even a friend of mine who’s not very “space-savvy” said to me, “looks like an asteroid” … on the personal note, I was indeed surprised when the pictures came out.
The whole “Deep Impact” scenario I don’t like (starting with the name … ring’s a bell, right?) because I strongly feel there is something “maybe” coming our way in the not so near future and maybe they know something we don’t know (and don’t want to tell us either) …
On the scientific implications of this … yes, it would be huge indeed Mr. Hoagland. The whole planetary formation model and the strongly held beliefs of 9 planets in our solar system … will be challenged. Not to mention that we would have substantial proof that a planet is gone and that … planets DO explode.
I believe the analysis of the spectra will be the most important part of this whole issue, to settle by scientific means (the way it should be) the correct theoretical model issue.
I have always been under the impression that it was already a held belief that plants could explode, thus is why we have the astroid belt. I guess I am missing something in regards to how this is ground breaking news if indeed it turns out that NASA is trying to cover up that information.
That being said, always enjoy your work RCH.
Oops, sorry for the typo, I meant planets not plants, ha ha.
Mlwhitt,
It USED to be ... many decades ago. But then NASA got into the act (about 50 years ago ...), and the theory was totally discredited. Funny.
But, I think it's about to have a renaissance .... :)
Jon,
>I believe the analysis of the spectra will be the most important part of this whole issue, to settle by scientific means (the way it should be) the correct theoretical model issue.<
I agree with you 100%. Which is why they're stalling so on the spectroscopic data ... and why we have to FORCE them to release it -- unaltered!
E-mails will help -- from EVERYONE.
Think they would mess up this big, to mistake an asteroid for a comet?
I Wonder if the purpose was really for something else. Perhaps top secret?
We would need some type of explanation for this type of project.
Richard,
Check this out! It says that not as much water vapor was detected as was expected. Also, that the debris is powdery like "talcum powder"!
Las Vegas SUN: Scientists: Spilled Comet Debris Is Fine
Address:http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2005/jul/08/070803292.html Changed:2:00 PM on Friday, July 8, 2005
--Chaz
Richard,
One more thing...
If this "comet" has been expelling "550 lbs." of water PER SECOND (as NASA says) for BILLIONs of years, how much water is that? Either the universe isn't as old as we think or this comet's not!
--Chaz
Never A Straight Answer
NASA doesn't mind fielding complaints. Really. They call it debating points, 'public interest' and consumer demand. It's vital to national security that public funding to NASA be subject to transparency. The exploding planet hypothesis constitutes a sort of childhood's end and that knowledge is dynamite because it could create public panic. That knowledge is power and should not be held by concentrated private power.
That's the power of NASA's air-brush.
Its just a guess, but do any of you think that this whole thing is just a good cover for the millitary? I have seen alot of stuff about "rods from god" on the net. Popular Science has an article about a space wepon delivering 20 foot tungsten darts traveling 36000 feet per second.
This is somthing that the AirForce is pitching to the Pentagon for consideration.
If an 800 pound chunk of soft copper can blow a stadium size hole into a comet, think of what a 20 foot piece of tungsten can do an underground nuke facility?
By the way, how fast was the impactor traveling? 25000MPH. 36000feet per second=about 25800mph
check out the article
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,749746,00.html
Ill bet this was a dry run.
Dont get me wrong. The scientific data is priceless as well. ;)
jp: Technology derived from alien spaceships weapons it's surely in use and was already researched during and even before Hitler and the Nazis...
What some hidden conspiracy groups are hiding regarding weapons and technology surely goes way beyond that. And I don't think that the attack on Tempel-1 was an experiment for some new weapons, I still think they attacked a spacecraft of some kind, maybe a probe... I don't think that Tempel-1 is part of a "Krypton"-like exploded planet that probably existed in the solar system (and would explain the Superman sci-fi/comic story and being in direct connection with it up to a certain point...), unless that planet was completely artificial, which could still be a possibility. However attacking Tempel-1 with Impactor was not just in search of some data to check if our planet it's going to explode anytime soon, what I think is that they were looking for something inside that cargo/probe/spaceship whatever like that they probably didn't find or they did and was different from what they expected... which would explain rumors of an upcoming second mission against another "comet" claimed to be object...
Not enough data on these "satellites" and less public images than usual but they have something in common with Iapetus:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/cassini-042705.html
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/cassini-050605.html
And what about this one ? :
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1590
Can you see it? It's far from a real sphere either... and it has the stealth feature like Iapetus...
And what about Mimas ?
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1588
Just another "satellite" with an irregular shape... and look at the "circle" there.. what does that resemble? Iapetus... which would mean just one thing.. we are not looking at something natural at all here as well...
And still checking various "moons" data...
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1583
Pandora it's fairly irregular as well... you wonder where are "natural" moons there... if there are any actually which don't have an artificial nature even when they seem "natural"...
What about Phoebe then ?
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1396
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=910
Irregular shape as well... weird irregular shape.. doesn't this resemble the alien spaceship time-travel capable on "Flight of the Navigator" (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0091059/) sci-fi movie ? And it's not the only "moon" out of these ones that resembles such a shape...
And keep looking at what's really going on there... can't you see that ? It's not only Iapetus being a giant spaceship-like device, it's full of them and they are in full activity, far from being abandoned devices of an ancient civilization ...
Prometheus "moon" here....
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=926
Does that seem a "natural" moon to anyone ? The shape and movement that can be seen on that frame simply shows that it must be a spaceship of some kind, either being a cargo, a probe, an artificial satellite to travel between points in space or whatever, that's not natural space debris, that's not remnants of ancient civilizations now all dead due to some wars, that's not part of exploded planets... those things are in full activity RIGHT NOW, and although conspiracy groups censorship doesn't want people to see it, aliens surely do exist and are not dead remnants...
The rings look like pathways to me, maybe they have some kind of technology to give energy or they might be a complex defensive system around the planets or both..
Another "moon"...still irregular shape, weird features and stealth-like effects (not just the absence of sun light there...), this is Rhea :
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1526
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1552
And Tethys with its "eye" :
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1476
Now.. isn't that still the same feature that Iapetus shows and Mr.Hoagland analyzed pointing to an artificial giant-spaceship like device ? Yep, it surely seems so, doesn't it ?
And then we get Hyperion , another anomalous object which is far from a "natural moon" as it's officially said :
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1519
And still about Mimas , look here:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1041
Someone inside NASA/JPL and maybe hidden conspiracy groups is joking about all of this .. take a look at the given title there... "That's No Space Station
July 26, 2004 " ... doesn't that ring a bell or two ? Well, it surely does...
Still looking at weird/anomalous shapes out there ... how comes that the news of an egg-shaped star hasn't had any real interest from the official scientific community, as usual ?
http://www.astronomynow.com/news/050121_regulus.shtml
Well, that should be enough to rewrite entire astronomy books talking about the stars... Oh well, considering that it's hidden the fact that our Sun it's probably not natural either and it's surely not made of just gases with no solid surface...
An alien craft must have been part of the WWII war booty. The trail of technology shifted from loser to winner, just as Operation Paperclip moved the people affiliated with the technology. According to the EPH, Planet V had Mars as one of its moons and went kaboom. That might provide an opportunity to distinguish pieces of Planet V from things modified by the former inhabitants of Planet V. Based on where we live, we can make a pretty good assumption that we are the remnants of that civilization. We need to assert our claim as owner and sole-inheritors of any space-ship moons we happen to stumble across in our neighbourhood. For all we know, they're life-boats. If we're on the verge of losing the slushy snowball theory and learning that comets are serious business, it does represent an end to childhood, which is marked by NASA locking itself in the bathroom to put cover-up on anything unflattering.
RCH - Waiting for a campaign from you for the DAG project (www.directactiongroup.com).
Sean Cotoz
sean@coastzone.com
Three items I would like your feedback:
1). I have done some research on the recent comet mission and found that that its orbit is actually in Mars orbit plane (for a while). What are your thoughts on this as it relates to it being a fragment of planet that possibly exploded that was in Mars orbit plane as well?
2). Earth moon: What is your view on our moon actually being built the same way as Iapetus. Reports state that it echos when object hit for minutes as it may be hollow. It is also unknown where it actually came from or how it was formed. Did Nasa ever study the rocks to see if they could find the same type of life that is show to live 700ft under the earths crust (with no oxygen)?
3). Mars: you observations are dead on but I pose an interesting twist and pattern. Our moon has many anomalies and structures. Saturn moons are demonstrating the anomalies and patterns as well. Mars was possibly a moon of a dead (exploded) planet and demonstrates these same signs.....you get the gist. Odds are that we will continue to find these same signs in many other moons we research....what are your thoughts about this in terms of the logic/capabilities with some earlier civilization. Why would they do this?
Your time in responding is HIGHLY appreciated.
As a Briton I am deeply disturbed and angered by your dismissal of the London terrorist attack as irrelevent, involving "clueless people."
When the US was attacked on 9/11 all our hearts went out to you, and still do. To post this disrespectful comment on your site is bad enough, but to tie it in with the DEEP IMPACT mission is quite unbelievable.
On Wednesday morning evil lunatics struck in the heart of our capital city, violating it, and butchering helpless - not clueless - men and women, young and old. I've just been listening to eyewitness reports of the attacks, listening to people describing how there are tube tunnel walls thick with blood, and the wreckage of a bus sitting on a street, peeled open like a can of sardines, and then to read the attacks, and their victims, dismissed in such a way on your site is, frankly, sickening.
Stuart,
"Clueless People"?
I went to work yesterday and of all the 100+ people I work with ONLY ONE mention the terrible tragedy in London. That made me sick. Every body was going about their bussiness like nothing have happened. That is the estate of affairs in today's world. Unless it hits close to home of course. The general public today is not asking questions. Or quetioning the behavior of our leaders. They just believe whatever the "Media" tells them. I think Richard is just as sick as I am to see how much control the the so call "Media" has.
Richard,
I know you and Alex Jones come from totally different backgrounds in your research, but I think it would make a very interesting show on Coast to Coast to hear you, Alex Jones, and David Flynn talk about what the hell is going on in the world today. Conecting the dots sort of speak. You three seem so passionate in your beliefs. I think we would learn a lot from such dialog.
Thanks for your dedication.
Dear RCH,
I'm about to catch up on your first few BLOG postings and have been eagerly following your exciting work. Re: someone's post from a few days back regarding the white text - PLEASE DON'T CHANGE YOUR BLOG DESIGN! White text on black IS a STRIKINGLY APPROPRIATE and even "theatrical" backdrop (the effect of a drawn curtain opening to direct the audience's attention on a single point on a stage)for the stark commentary you always present. It works for the ENTERPRISE Mission as well! Why should Richard Hoagland be like everyone else? Your theories and/or data are usually opposite from the so-called mainstream anyway, so isn't it apropos to present your text as a "photo-negative" snapshot? This is about getting the rest of us to think "outside the box"!! To whomever says conform for conformity's sake - I say you are part of the problem, not the solution!
Stuart- You are right. You have my heart felt condolences.
The American media is sanitizing the whole thing. washing it over with stories about Hurricanes and Supreme court maddness.
Its like the powers that be, dont want us to talk about it.
Dont want us to realize that we are at war. That this whole thing was just a power grab for oil.
my thoughts and prayers go out to the loved ones who have lost.
It is a tragity and outrage.
Richard,
I just wanted to pass along my appreciation for all your hard work. There are many questions I would love to have answered. It's encouraging to know here is someone digging up these answers for me. Keep up thr good work!!
jp: Just a power grab for oil... You won't see the truth if you are politically biased about it.. You should open your mind and try to realize that there is a much bigger war going on which involves aliens on our planet as well...and their technology... The wars we are looking at, the clashes are just what everyone wants us to see, both those protecting us and those wanting to kill us all...
Richard,
Considering NASA's silence regarding the Deep Impact data, it's curious that anybody bothered updating the website at all, even if it was just cycling through another "old" picture. I can see how the caption would catch your eye!
Do you have some specific predictions as to what the IR spectra should show? What peaks we should see at what wavelengths? The more specific you can be in your predictions, the more support the final data will give to your case.
aredo, many ways to look at things. I do not cloud my mind with the untangable. If indeed we are at war with alien life forms millions of years ahead of our own existance, than surely they would have found a way to prevent us stupid humans from thinking. Real things are happining.
Real bombs
Real blood
Real dead children
If its all a just an fraud than why are their Real mothers crying. No Political bias Just hands on stuff. aredo.
Hi Richard - long time no talk to! :)
You have me quite excited again - in a technical sense of course. :)
T
jp: Of course it's real facts I'm talking about, although the cover up wants you and worldwide population to believe that there were only fantasies regarding Hitler/Nazis and their use of alien technology as well as hyper-dimensional physics.. (in fact Hitler was known to be a "daemon"/"spirits" researcher fanatic... that's travelling thru dimensions..).
But then, if you think that these theories about what's really going on are just theories and have no real impact and effect in your and our life, then why are you reading such a site?
A fraud it's going on since way before World War II ... and alien technology was already in use although it's not clear up to which point and by which conspiracy groups which were allowed to use it.. (and by who is the big question that needs an answer... that "who" is about non-human lifeforms...)
God dammit! :X
I wasn't happy to see the London papers on this site either - I just left a site for that very reason - which is largely how I ended up here.
What I would ask of the heavies around here, is just how close were you and yours to what happened? I was within a couple of hours, or my daughter was.
BUT - it has no relevance on this site - can we please move on?
I resisted the temptation to lay into Richard for the images, you can do the same.
I don't feel RCH was saying "clueless people" in the context of a negative comment towards the London victims. We all know that if someone said the phrase 'you are clueless' to someone it can often be slanted as an insult. But that's just preassumptive slang associations in most people's minds. People can be clueless of what is really going on, thus holding an absence of knowledge/info about a particular topic. Usage of that word does not always mean the slang slant. Never for a second did I feel he was being insulting.
After reading Richard's blog entries, all I see and feel is an overall compassion and affection for people and humanity, even without it being stated. That is the true driving force for this type of research; caring enough about our planet and humanity to want and demand to know the truth about our stunning and remarkable ancient origins.
aredo... It is also known that Adolph Hitler was a paranoid drug addict. what alien technology did Hitler use.
the gas chamber?
Do I think that governments of the world arent telling people the whole truth about things. Yes.
Do i think that terrorist bombings are some kind of fun sport for alien high masters. no
Only humans could be that cruel.
If aliens had wanted to kill us or allowed us to kill ourselves, it would have happended long ago.
Whatever.
Getting back to the subject in hand - as it were - it appears that this block of fluffy nothingness appears to have reacted to the pin-prick it was subjected to - in a way that NASA wasn't expecting.
I find that 'interesting' at the very least.
I've seen the exploding planet hypothesis - I must admit I was very impressed with it. I've also seen alternative explanations for the appearance of Mars - which impress me even more - most of all because the evidence still stares you in the face.
The 3 massive craters in the 'south' oppose a massive removal of the crust to the north of the planet, up to many kilometres deep, I wonder just how much more you need to see this picture.
Sorry I dident mean to ditract from the discussion.
Just reacting to comments.:)
Hey anon,
Detract is spelt thus - not that it's important. :)
All views are valid, unless you are a dictator.
Yes sorry I am just a lowly product of a public education. thanks anon
jp - that's rather cute! :)
Me too - but it has nothing to do with the subject - slap!!
Adolf Hitler had little left at the end of his nightmare but to use drugs to hide reality.
Many of his closest pricks were also addicted to opiates - very good for blocking out the real world.
What's your point?
Flying saucers in the hands of the nazis would have been wasted in the fug of opiates that their other 'triumphs' were.
My whole point was about testing space wepons. Aredo thought that was not up to par.
Am i off base with this theory? and trevor, you can be my spelling tutor from now on. as you all can tell I am the most dangerous person in the world, An illiterate with BROADBAND.
MOOOHOOOHAHAHA. ;)
jp: Why do you think that alien lifeforms out there and on this planet must be superior and less cruel than any human could actually be ?
Sorry but that it's a naive approaching that won't let you see the truth.
The fact that they are aliens doesn't mean that all of them are either good or evil, just like it happens with humans. Why some alien factions didn't wipe out humanity in the past.. it might have happened actually, or it might not.
Hitler was a paranoid means nothing.. Hitler was about power and the will to conquer by destroying, not much different from what muslim terrorist groups like Al Qaeda/Bin Laden are doing right now... But there is more hidden behind what we are allowed to see just like there was more behind World War II and Hitler/Nazis...
aredo, Now Im naive. Well I may not be the best speller, Or the smartest but, at least Im not proclaming to be the smartist by calling others naive.
jp - I think I'm in love with you.
Aliens for sure, but their intentions?
They seem somewhat pissed off with us - pissed for yanks, I'm a Brit - from what I've seen, they play with us now and then.
As for the hitler/flying saucer crap, he wished.
Hitler was a spiteful boy, that he got where he did should not surprise those who understand what national 'pride' is about.
Just a thought.
trevor... Ha yes If i could I would buy you a pint.
I see nothing wrong with national pride. Im from California (Peoples Republic Of). I may not like all the the things that my Govenment dose. but I am an American first, Citizen of the Milky way later.
I saw on another post(sorry i cannot rember who it was) that the comet is on a close orbital plane with Mars.
I wonder if perhaps this could be an atemp to slam the comet into Mars by nudging it into that plane.
And if indeed comets hold the "seeds of life" maby this is just a grand experiment in teraforming. maby?? Time will tell.
From Nasa's site:
"The major surprise was the opacity of the plume the impactor created and the light it gave off," said Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A'Hearn of the University of Maryland, College Park. "That suggests the dust excavated from the comet's surface was extremely fine, more like talcum powder than beach sand. And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets - an ice cube."
Stuart,
First off, I'm sorry you were offended by my characterization of the London victims as "clueless. But, that is what I believe we ALL are ... when it comes to what is REALLY driving all of this (recent) insanity.
One minute you're peacefully commuting into another day of work; the next, you're blown apart by a bomb planted by "persons unknown," for "purposes unknown," directed by more "persons unknown" .... For, despite the "stories" we are being constantly fed by media and government now, we are ALL actually "clueless" in this increasingly vicious situation .... Which was precisely the point I was trying to underscore with my seemingly heartless comments: I WANTED to get a rise out of folks, to make them react to an increasingly insane situation that most are simply, blindly accepting ... without question!!
Of course, I'm dreadfully sorry for the victims and their families in London right now, as I was for the similar victims of 9/11, Madrid ... and countless other "clueless victims" who are to come ... as long as we BLINDLY ACCEPT the Official Versions of "who" is behind these atrocities ... and "why" they're REALLY happening.
When I hear that certain folks -- like the former Israeli Prime Minister -- were warned to stay in their hotels five minutes BEFORE the first bomb went off in the London underground the other morning, but NOT the folks in the tubes themselves ... I get damn angry ... and suspicious! Like, when one of our mayors over here in San Francisco, Willie Brown, was warned the night before (!) NOT to fly to New York on September 11 ....
In this tragic London situation, I became even more suspicious when someone immediately dismissed ANY possible connection between the bombs that went off in London ... and the selection of London the previous day as the site of the 2012 Olympics.
2012: now, there is a subject I'm NOT clueless about!
How could ANYONE -- in those first few frantic hours, without ANY investigation -- even KNOW ...?! Yet, we were told firmly "there is NO connection."
"Who" was immediately afraid someone might make such a "connection" ... and WHY?
So, I would put myself at the top of that list: ultimately, I'm as "clueless" about "who" and "what" is REALLY driving all of this as everyone else. I only know it's NOT as we're being repeatedly told ....
Because, as a side effect of my own pursuit of the truth in NASA for over twenty years, I've come to the bitter realization that "all governments lie" (and now their appendages, the media) -- even about things which would appear totally inconsequential at first glance ... like, the real nature of a dead celestial object 80 million miles away!!
So, when it comes to events right here on Earth which are killing people right and left, which are driving a whole NEW geopolitical agenda ... I don't believe FOR AN INSTANT the "official" story re London, New York, Madrid, Iraq, etc,. etc., etc.
The stakes are too big ... for "someone."
So, unless all us "clueless" people rise up soon ... and DEMAND the truth on what is REALLY going on ... this insanity (and a lot more) will simply go on ... and on ... and on.
And a LOT more "clueless" folks like me will continue dying needlessly, horribly ... all over the world ....
EMAILS from all of us and many many others listening whats going on out there, could help open up the data stream. Knowing about our backyard in space is important for this 'Household' Earth. Thanks for the update RCH.
Totally agree with you Richard, yet I see the internet (blogs like this) acting as a catalyst ("Apocalypse = Awakening") where people are starting to take notice and become more aware of the complexities of the world we live in and the powers behind the events.
RCH I dont think that any of us who would be here talking about all things relitive, would "BLINDLY ACCEPT" anything.
Asking Probing questions is the one GOOD thing humans can do.
I dont know for sure, but maby the "truth" is being doled out in small segments.
Maby all at once would be just too much for socitey to swallow.
what do you think?
Dear Richard
The dark cabal's attack on London is just another sad, but obvious example of its on-going high panic,free-fall and imminent crash. Another example of the North American cabal's panic are the several, recent, 'evacuations' in Wash D.C. re: its no-fly zone area, despite the fact that hundreds of aircraft are on record as having done so...since 9/11!...another example of their loss of control: there has not been any manned spaced flights beyond near-Earth orbit since Apollo 17 in December, 1972...over 32 years ago!..With 4 more scheduled flights planned(Apollo 18-21), the entire program was cancelled... 'officially', the Apollo program was abruptly cancelled due to budgetary problems...yet NASA has spent trillions of $$ since then......why hasn't 'anyone' been able to go beyond near-Earth orbit?....Apollo 13 anyone?........
Another example of their panic: this cabal has had to 'overtly' steal not one, but two national elections within 4 years.....If, they are in such control as in the past, then why the need for that?........
What we are witnessing now is one reality dying and the new one emerging...hence the chaos...Our planetary society has approached the edge of the time when our current techologies, systems and beliefs can no longer sustain us....the 'Omega Point'. That's why the dark energies are in such a flux. They are dying. The Light is expanding and consuming it. We desperately need a quantum leap to avoid a major environmental disaster. This quantum leap is on the horizon. The Divine Timeline that all of these current events (political, celestial,environmental)are following will not permit such a disaster. The changes are inevitable.
Mother Earth needs to revert to her 'full consciousness' energy levels (before 'the Fall'of Atlantis)in order to continue her physical existence. Your wonderful website has shown this on-going event for all to see. This planet,this solar system & beyond are doing that right now...the NASA pix prove this 100%...and you graciously connected the dots for all of us!
Our population too must be 'shifted upward' in consciousness in order to make it to the next level as sentient beings...These facts have been 'widely predicted' by our planets indigenous peoples for thousands of years!....
Right now we are being 'sorely tested' to continue our present way of living. Our political, economic,religious and other system flat-out do not work...again, this is why there is the chaos...The inner wisdom in each of us is leading towards an increasing curiosity for some forms of knowledge that previously many of us were either critical of, or just ignored. This search for knowledge, and ironically, mainly thru the cabal's invention,the Internet, is the swan song for our planet's covert rulers. This is part of the great'awakening'.
Mother Earth needs to move herself and her brood upward to full consciousness. This is inevitable and cannot be stopped.
Right now our current world is dying. It is familiar, yet dysfunctional. There is really only one cure for its fatal disease - an acceptance of 'what is really going on' around it.The Divine Timeline (Divine Plan) is in motion. It is unstoppable.Our current planetary elites believe that they have a divine right to rule our world as they please. This warped and unfortunate belief runs against the Divine Timeline and it is about to run into a brick wall.Our planetary elites are doomed to failure.
Our future reality is assured and you will continue to play your part.What remains is only the 'precise timings'of these momentous events, which are about to globally manifest.
We are the vanguard of a great spiritual movement that is about to sweep a whole and tired reality away.It will also end our current galactic quarantine,our collective amnesia and xenophobia.
Major global announcements & a 'New Reality' (first contact)soon............
Best regards Always
Thomas
If you guys are interested in anomalies I need to get the word out about:
http://astronomyiscool.blogspot.com
Images you have never seen before.
Robert,
Helpful hint: cite WHERE your "anomalous images" come from (NASA, Apollo, ESa, etc.) ... and the SCALE of each image.
There are some fascinating things there, but you need more science and in-depth analysis .... :)
Chops,
That's kinda the way I feel about it ... the design "problem" for some people, that is.
A "helpful hint": if you literally can't see the "white on black" lettering, simply highlight the blog ... and the entire text immediately turns to "black on a white background!"
Makes the images look kinda funny, but--
You can simply look at them normally, by UNHIGHLIGHTING the whole blog again ... when you're finished reading .... :)
One thing that puzzled me when I first started reading TEM was that no matter what outlandish notion RCH was currently championing, be it the Masonic origins of the US, hyperdimensional numbers encoded in NASA launch dates, hominoid/feline faces carved into giant mesas on Mars or secret government plans to ignite the planet Jupiter, he always seemed to scrupulously avoid any reference to what most of us now know as `grey aliens' (despite what one would imagine to be their `topicality' to many aspects of his research).
When he does address the origin of putative `extraterrestrial artifacts' on the moon, Mars, or in the solar system, he always manages to insinuate (without actually providing any supporting evidence) that it is "we" who are the builders of the ruins/artifacts (or that we are descended from them) - and not an ACTUAL ET SPECIES.
Once, when directly questioned about `grey aliens' on C2C (the only time I can remember this happening in almost 5 years of listening), his tone of voice immediately became tense and guarded, as if he'd just been handed a very hot potato, and (after a few seconds of verbal juggling), he finally rejoindered with something like "Well, we don't deal with grey aliens at TEM..." (basically, "no comment").
All of this has tempted me to conclude that RCH views this subject, among all of the metaphysics- and alternative science-related subjects drifting around C2C, as being `unmentionable' -- and has made me wonder if he has particular reasons for treating it in this manner.
So, one question I've always wished (somebody) would ask him is this: why the general chariness of the subject of grey aliens, RCH?
Bithead,
You asked:
>1). I have done some research on the recent comet mission and found that that its orbit is actually in Mars orbit plane (for a while). What are your thoughts on this as it relates to it being a fragment of planet that possibly exploded that was in Mars orbit plane as well?
>2). Earth moon: What is your view on our moon actually being built the same way as Iapetus. Reports state that it echos when object hit for minutes as it may be hollow. It is also unknown where it actually came from or how it was formed. Did Nasa ever study the rocks to see if they could find the same type of life that is show to live 700ft under the earths crust (with no oxygen)?
>3). Mars: you observations are dead on but I pose an interesting twist and pattern. Our moon has many anomalies and structures. Saturn moons are demonstrating the anomalies and patterns as well. Mars was possibly a moon of a dead (exploded) planet and demonstrates these same signs.....you get the gist. Odds are that we will continue to find these same signs in many other moons we research....what are your thoughts about this in terms of the logic/capabilities with some earlier civilization. Why would they do this?<
OK, number 1):
I think you're right on. If you look at the orbit of Tempel 1 and Mars, it (the comet) is in a perfect orbit to be a "surviving fragment" of the exploded Planet V (in Van Flandern's numbering). In his scenario (and ours, now -- see our "Tidal Mars" Paper on Enterprise) Mars used to orbit Planet V as a satellite/moon ... and was set free to orbit the sun by the explosion.
Number 2): Here you mixed in TWO questions .... :)
On our own Moon: no, it wasn't "built" [and, in our most conservative scenario, Iapetus wasn't either: it was "remodeled" ... which is a Big Difference. :)]
Our Moon seems to have been extensively colonized, with vast glass structures built in many places ... now all in ruins. Again, the images and data are on Enterprise. Because of the very extensive nature of these ancient constructions, when the Moon is struck by an impacting object, the shock waves racing through the crust set the remaining ruins "quivering" -- just like an old railroad trestle. That's what makes the Moon "ring" for hours after an impact, simulating a "hollow body." In fact, it is the ancient glass ruins which are "ringing" .... :)
As to the second part of your 2) question: if you mean the rocks brought back from the Moon by the Apollo astronauts -- "no." They were found on the surface and, after being subjected to fairly routine analysis for signs of living bacteria, were turned over to the geologists for their studies.
But NASA IS looking at the possibility of life living miles under the surface of Mars, or other more distant objects in the solar system -- by analogy with life forms found miles down here on Earth. And those primitive bacterial systems live quite nicely WITHOUT oxygen ... similar to colonies of sulphur-eating bacteria miles down in our oceans, living in the vicinity of so-called "black smokers."
Number 3)
Because, in our model, "they" were "us!" And we have/are colonizing every possible niche we can find on this planet, now expanding out to place colonies on the Moon ... and someday beyond.
We're simply doing what we did before ...! And, so, it is no surprise if we find remnants of what WE OURSELVES ONCE CONSTRUCTED ... all over our own solar system.
The "surprise" is that we have a Space Agency dedicated to covering up and hiding these discoveries ... instead of "reconnecting us" with our own astonishing Heritage.
There's probably a book in that .... :)
Hope this adequately answered your questions.
Why does humanity seem to be going crazy lately?
Well, here is a very interesting website I just found...
http://www.openseti.org/GnosticA.html
NASA said during the webcast that they would answer detailed questions via email.
I sent an email to Nasa on July 4.
I was concerned that we might violate "natural orders" if comets do cause creation. (what about the our earth matter, we just deposited?)
They sent me a cold generic reply (see below)
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From: John Richards [mailto:johnrichards_mcp@
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:05 AM
To: public-inquiries@hq.nasa.gov
Subject: impactor contaminating the comet?
Dear Sirs/Madame
What are the chances of the impactor contaminating the comet?
(such as complex or basic amino acids from earth)
Thanks
Best Regards,
John Richards
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Dear Mr. Richards:
Thank you for your inquiry to NASA. The following Web site contains up-to-date information on Deep Impact:
http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html
To find more sites, do a search for "deep impact" in any search engine. If you do not have Internet access, contact a local school or public library.
Thank you for your interest in the Nation’s space program.
Sincerely,
Public Communications Management Office
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
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thomas: Other than being politically biased, down from all your "Divine" thoughts and claims, when talking about US political elections that "the evil ones" (for you) had stolen two times as you said... you sound like those groups that on ID4 movie were under alien spaceships having a welcome party and got smashed and burned when the aliens attack on Earth began...
God has little to do with events on this planet regarding aliens and other entities in the sense that they are not all good or evil and they are not God for sure anyway.
Dave,
Quite worthwhile reading.
I heard Lash interviewed by Art a few days ago (a repeat of the March 19th program). Definitely worthwhile pursuing ....
Pachylamerei Mahajunga: an important question, which deserves a serious answer.
Briefly: Enterprise deals in objective, verifiable scientific FACT. The putative ruins we have been researching -- first on Mars, and now all across the solar system -- are objective objects, found on NASA (and other) verifiable official imagery. They are ammenable to independent scientific verification and analysis.
The same with our proposed model of "hyprdimensional physics." It is a science, subject to the same verification/falsification rules as all other science (if it is approached objectively ...).
By stark contrast, the current "mythos" of "grey aliens" is not.
It is (unfortunately) without a shred of similar, "objective" evidence. The abduction tales, hypnotic regressions and "Roswell scenarios," etc., are all just that ... anecdotal MYTHS. Cool storytelling ... but limited to that: a set of STORIES.
They CANNOT be objectively dealt with or analyzed in the same fashion as the imagery we're analyzing, but must be approached from a SOCIOLOGICAL and PSYCHOLOGICAL (oh, for the want of italics in this thing ...) perspective.
That said, I have felt from the beginning of our active involvement in this field of "extraterrestrial studies" that there are scores of researchers far better equipped to deal in this patently PSYCHOLOGICAL territory than we are.
We are trying to prosecute a scientific investigation of objective "ancient archaeology" in this surrounding solar system. And, one of the centerpieces of that research is a HUMAN-looking object ... which lies on a planet where no such humanoid resemblance has ANY business being!
That was/is our objective starting point ... for pursuing the now highly supportable possibility that WE were/are the "extraterrestrials" ... who, a LONG, LONG time ago ... built what we have subsequently found ... ALL ACROSS THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
This, of course, is not the place to detail all the voluminous evidence supporting this hypothesis (that's found on Enterprise ...), but think about it: we have an example of ONE intelligent species (so far), which shows a startling propensity for stunning technological advancement and an equally impressive drive to expand its "sphere of influence" as far and as rapidly as it can.
US.
We have NO current, verifiable examples of ANYONE ELSE coming here (all the "stories" notwithstanding) to do the same.
So, if we find verifiable "ruins" lying all around us in this solar system (which I believe we have ...) -- one set (at Cydonia, on MArs) INTRINSICALLY linked to a remarkable effigy which looks suspiciously like US (!) -- which is more reasonable: to project mythical "aliens did it," from "somewhere else" ...? Or, that it is simply US ... at a time so distant that we have simply forgotten "what we used to do," and turned that era into its OWN "mythology" ... complete with infinitely powerful "gods," "godesses," "evil opposition," etc., etc. ...?
Now, show me one piece of genuine alien hardware, a body (Lloyd Pie's "starchild" is a fascinating possibility ... with its highly anomalous DNA results so far ...) and I'll come running.
But, so far, the Occams Razor of this scenario says it's "US."
And all the ancient terrestrial mythology (with suitable recontexting, for a solar system possibility ...) does too.
And, as I've often said: "We don't do UFOS." Why? Because, unlike the archaeology we've found throughout the solar system, they "don't stand still." And neither do the "grey alien stories" ....
I hope this is at least a partially satisfactory answer to your question. :)
On the subject of 'us' - or our ancestors leaving these 'artifacts' all over the solar system:
Why do you suppose they were so obsessed with making it hard for themselves? Gigantic pyramids and structures which would tax even current day heavy lifting techniques.
I guess the only answer that makes sense - to me anyway - is that it was no big deal to them! Having seen the coral castle links, I have to believe that this is so. What bugs me is that we still have absolutely no idea how he achieved what he did, and don't even seem concerned by our ignorance.
As a fully paid-up cynic, it's taken a while for me to accept any of this stuff as worth a second look - but Keith Laney's article on Apollo 17 opened my eyes to the fact that 'they' are not prepared to tell us what's really out there - and that there is almost certainly 'something' to see.
Another thing that bugs me is the fact that despite seeing numerous mind-boggling images from Mars, every probe we land encounters the same boring expanse of 'red rock' - 'apparently'.
Trev,
It all comes down to hyperdimensional physics ... and the control of gravity.
And, believe it or now, there are ACTIVE government and corporate programs (but not in NASA!) seeking to do just that.
I'll be doing a special blog on those remarkable developments, in awhile .... :)
In the meantime, you might re-read our "Iapetus" series ... especially Part 6: http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
Mr. Hoagland, let's say that your theory of humanoid/humans like us are the only source of any alien artifact, device, unit, spacecraft, building and so on... Many "stories" tell that the so called "grey aliens" don't seem to have emotions like us and some speculate that they might be machines of some kind... Now, even based on your own theory about what is going on around us I think that you should take in account the fact that those "grey little men" could actually be AI-machine / android like products of that some ancient humanoid/humans civilizations you are talking about and thinking about... which would mean that those grey aliens not only exist but obey some commands that those humanoids/humans programmed them for, either with those ancient humanoid/humans being all dead and the machines being the only active remnants of their existence and actually still working for them and following some given plans or still receiving direct orders from those humanoids which are far from all dead and still in full activity around us.
All of this without considering any possibility of other lifeforms that have no connection with us by being our direct ancestors. Anyway the fact that these humanoids have the possibility to build up alive-like machines and real lifeforms by manipulating DNA and even more than that maybe down to the soul itself must be taken into account as well, so I think.
Aredo,
I like that idea .... And -- it's testable! As soon as we "find the libraries." :)
In fact, it would neatly explain why "they" (in the modern mythos) are searching ... endlessly ... for certain types of DNA among the "abductees."
H-m-m-m-m. Not bad ....
Now, all we need is an artifact or two from "them." Which, of course, they're careful NOT to leave us. :)
Tsk ... tsk ... See how seductive it is to add even MORE speculation about these "aliens," all based on anecdotal evidence ...?
Richard, I have absolutely no doubt that 'they' are researching gravity, and rather suspect they know a great deal more about countering it than I do! :)
You'll have to forgive my ignorance of HyperD, it's a little above my intellectual capacity - for want of trying, I hasten to add.
I've always enjoyed your site, and as others have said, your wit is refreshing in a world of science automatons. One thing I would say, sometimes, it is hard to determine whether you're kidding or not - but that's your business! ;)
I look forward to more from you.
Trev,
Are you referring to my previous post? :)
Not at all Richard - I've followed TEM for some years now, I'm speaking generally, it wasn't a criticism, I'm something of a wit myself - sometimes! :)
Trev,
I wasn't taking it as a criticism ... just exploring if I'm at times less than clear. Bad thing, such ambiguity, for someone who seeks to communciate material that is, for a lot of folks, difficult enough to always comprehend (like HD Physics) ...! :)
Incidentally, I have read you Iapetus article, but I'll re-read it as you suggest - just this once though! :)
:)
Wow - rotating liquid metals AND bismuth? ;)
Many years ago I saw a document which claimed to be a description of a 'lenticular something or other' drive system.
It described a transparent tube or ring in which something like mercury was made to spin!!
Annoyingly, an important paragraph was blacked out - censors pen, but I've never forgotten that document, I don't know why, it struck me as rather important!! :)
Even in the repressive Victorian Era, the Admiralty was dogged by 'armchair pirates' and 'speculative cartographers, and the Admiralty's attempts to keep information about THIS planet a State secret failed. Today, we have more and more people gaining the 'landscape of the mind' required to second-guess NASA.
History is repeating itself.
According to the official record, it would apppear that Captain Cook missed every major natural port and inlet that was in his path. Halifax, Sydney, Auckland ... about a dozen in total. Yet the people he reported to made him the most decorated explorer of his day. It's obvious to anyone retracing his routes, that Captain Cook could not possible have missed any of those ports. Cook reported the natural ports to the Admiralty, but the Admiralty did not put them on maps sold for public consumption. In History, ALL exploration agencies have a track record of censorship that they are proud of.
The reason for the suppression is part of a broader socio-economic theory - perhaps they are trying to obscure the type of minerals in the rock-asteroid-comet ? If they found silver or gold - would they try to make it look like iron or copper ? If the Moon is our goal and they're firing bullets at Tempel I ... how close are we (humans) to towing the minerals on Tempel I to the Moon ?
Mr. H.
I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my post, but I have to say I am still deeply offended and angered by your decision to tie-in the atrocity in London with DEEP IMPACT and your other theories, etc. Even if you seriously think a terrorist outrage like the one that wounded London and a so-called "NASA conspiracy" are connected, to actually throw the two together so publicly just a couple of days after the bombs had gone off was insensitive at best and appallingly opportunist at worst. I am a passionate believer in Freedom of Speech, it goes with being British, but your link between the two things was horriffically crass and disrespectful. There was no need to show those front pages at all.
Some reading this might think I'm over-reacting, but frankly I don't care. As I type these words there are exhausted rescue workers and paramedics crawling - and I mean crawling - through the twisted wreckage of the tube trains, over bodies and body parts, trying to retrieve enough "material" from the abbatoir the terrorists caused to allow frantic relatives to know whether or not their loved ones survived or died. After so long now the temperature in the tunnels has reached almost unbearable levels, and you can imagine the consequences of that on the bodies. Imagine having to face that. And if you can, imagine having to face with all the rats that are in there too. Now imagine reading that the attacks were "a distraction" and the people whose bodies you had had to pull out were "truly clueless". Just try and imagine how you would feel. And if you can't, then try and imagine how you would feel if you'd gone online on 9/12 and read on a website that the people killed in the Twin Towers were "clueless" and that that attack was just "a distraction".
Those people all had mothers, fathers, sons, daughetsr etc. Just because they don't believe - or aren't even aware of - your personal theories about the universe that doesn't mean they were "clueless", and you should be ashamed of using the word and dismissing them as disposable cannon-fodder in some world conspiracy struggle.
I hope you find the truth you're looking for, I really do; you have a right to believe what you want to believe. But the next time there's an attack - and there will be a next time - I hope you'll resist the temptation to comment on it in your Blog in such a flippant, trivial way. Whoever they are today, the people who will die in it, and their grieving relatives, deserve better than that.
To everyone else, my apologies for taking up so much of your time on your forum. My best wishes to all of you.
Dearest Clueless Stuart : NASA is following a sacred calendar and world view that is shared by the financial elites, their support cults and the people doing the bombing.
The elites of these groups DO have a clue why some events happen (when & where they happen) and everyone else is clueless - someone that the aforementioned groups will either hide behind or use as targets.
Clueless is just a way of saying 'innocent' in polite American slang.
That would be, 'Virgins without rifles' in the King's English.
Mr. Hoagland,
You might hold delightfulness to know that in our time period [Gregorian 2164] mass migration of Human groups to the Planetoid Titan has been in progress for 59 solar [Earth] years, since G-2105. Of course, prior to the allowance of movement there, approximately 4 solar decades of atmospheric manipulation and infrastructure development took place. Our Father worked on this project prior to his accidential death. Our sister Karna currently holds residence on Titan.
Planetoid Trembley was determined to be the "parent" body of which Mars was one of its 4 moons. Trembley, as you reverse predicted, was destroyed. Planetoid Iapeteusin [you label "Iapetus"] was Trembley's 1st tremendous moon, however was relocated by the Jjens culture to near its current Saturn orbital position. Iapeteusin was not a full "artificial" planetoid as reverse predicted within one of your articles that was presented to me for review. Jjens did build infrastructure upon it and they remained on that Trembley moon for well beyond 1,500 solar [Earth] years before they "ditched it". In our time period, Iapeteusin atmospheric manipulation is still in development by our space migration engineers.
The original War Of The Worlds broadcast is still currently available in our electronic entertainment archives for audio enjoyment, as well as various rehearsal audios which been extracted from the subspace. I have never listened to this original broadcast. Since I am currently visiting your time period of G-2005, I cannot access any statistics of how many people from our time period retrieve this broadcast for listening enjoyment. Probably not many because the content of the entertainment archives is vast.
Rostin
Yes, Rostin, might I suggest a little less of the blethrin spice before posting?
Hope this helps.
Richard C...
What are your thoughts on the Electrical model of the sun as explained on..
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/
It goes on to explore the possability that the energy emmited by the sun IS electrical.
Not a ball of just ever exploding hydrogen, but a ferrite surface. Like a giant arc welder with a rotating core.
Just wondering what you think?
Rosting is either joking and try to make a fool of people or is someone from the conspiracy groups themselves. I found others posting and claiming to be aliens on various forums and such, they majority of them are either part of the conspiracy or just people that have no other thing to do to waste their time.
Wow JP, that's quite a head-full for one reading!
God only knows what to think of that one.
jp: Ancient asian scriptures and mythos claim that the Sun is an inhabited planet by light-energy kind of creatures able to survive at extreme,for us, temperatures.
Even if that wouldn't be the case it could still be an automated kind of device where some sort of cyborgs/androids/robots made of materials capable to sustain way higher temperatures can function perfectly. Thinking of it as a giant power station or a giant engine could be appropriate and true. Then who and how builds up stars thruout galaxies would be a big question with no answer but that egg-shaped star that has been found, many other weird and anomalous stars-like objects found in space could all be manufactured and not necessarily by the same kind of technology everywhere. Or it might be something else, although all of this might be true in just some space regions/zones but not in others.
Hi Richard. O.k. So Sitchen's story seems to tell about a larger planet Tiamat orbiting in the now large gap between Mars and Jupiter being hit and blowing apart. What was left was knocked to where we are now and tilted, amongst other shifts and changes like Pluto. It would appear our current moon was formed from the left-overs and Earth is the remenant of Tiamat somewhat healed and carrying on. Past all this re-membered history and the knowledge that there have been many civilizational models over the eons, this knowledge gathering in and of itself really doesn't matter. Just a path of seeking. So, moving past details and wonderment, there is obviously a much bigger picture here than just history re-analyzed. Surely, even the science game and groups like Nasa are working beyond merely arguing simplistically about whether something is a comet or an asteroid. Defending simply the attachment to a few concepts and models. Whats the bigger picture? We go back to Mars to realize that that's where we came from before? Surely there are loftier goals of understanding at play here even beyond simply trying to stop a threat by asteroid or otherwise?
Your comment on Lapitis potentially being connected like Lhasa or Giza as a remote grand spiritual site, reflects well with these most significant structures here on Earth that all have a sacred premise behind them. I know that some spiritual concepts and complexities can be very very hard to articulate in words, but I am keenly watching your story to understand how the Hyper Dimensional Physics ties in to the story of the local cosmic neigbourhood and its past signitures.
Truth revealed and restored, the illusion making will expire. Clarity and direct contact with the always existing Divine Reality will occur again. That is my feeling, as you scientifically, effectively peal away the layers of crap and obfuscation that are in the way of human transcendence. We were never meant to keep going around and around, stuck in samsara unconsciously repetitive. Why the great cover-up for so long across large time? Why the forgetting and denial?
Hey aredo werent you just chastising me about not having an Open mind? Maby His sister realy is on titan.
I mean realy, you go on and on about alien influences on this planet. But you wholy dismis what Rostin had to say. Ill admit it sounds rather loopy, but with everything we have been talking about, not outside the relm of possability.
jp - you invited me to be your spelling teacher yesterday.
Based upon your last post, I regret to inform you that I for one do not have enough hours in the day to perform such a miracle. :)
I asked a friend if she thought I should tell Richard to stop calling me 'Trev'. She said 'I dunno Trev, what do you think'?
Sigh....
jp: Having an open mind doesn't mean to let anything and anyone lead you to the wrong conclusions. Conspiracy groups main agenda is to distract people and those hunting for proof and facts that their best bet is to build up fake stories and mythos, no more no less than what religion groups do and sometimes they mix them up with some true details about the truth they don't want to let you see and understand, such a mix it's like a bomb on the majority of humans minds and for probably more than 100 years worked perfectly and better than any drugs.
Hey trevor think about this. \
What if the core of our planet is just that, a tiny star.
I mean ever wonder what keeps the mantle hot. you would think that after 4 billion years it would cool off.
But if indeed this model of the sun is correct, then it would change alot of minds about alot of things.
Aredo, Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
some people can be just nutty.
Trevor thank you. They dont have spell-check on these things.
Think of it like i was speaking with a lisp, If it helps ;)
jp, I suspect that there is much more to just about everything than we imagine.
If that's a cop-out, sorry - what do you expect me to say? :)
As you say, what keeps it hot? Isn't it something to do with density?
trevor...
cop-out. no .
Thats the thing, As far as anyone knows, no one has ever been to the center of the earth.
On that note, no one has ever stood on the surface of the sun.
I have been thinking about this as long as I can rember.
I was with my father one day working on his tractor. We were welding a piece of metal onto the blade of it using an old arc welder. It was early morning in during winter( we had to fix the road due to a mudslide the day before) After all that welding. I had gotten a sun burn on my arm. yet I had not been in the sun at all for weeks.
From that point on I always thought about what made the sun tick.
Hey people, you have greatly meandered away from Richard Hoagland's Blog with this babble of yours. Wake up, Tune in, Be clear. Don't waste his space with your chit chat. His content and commentary is meaningful, be responsible to your thoughts and communicate something relevent to his subject matter.
Enough with the Bla Bla.
Iontruo 2... the best way to come to a better understanding is to get to know each other.
What makes you think what I have to say or trevor or even Rostin,
less relevent to the subject matter at hand. We are disscusing the Origins of everything. so what if there is a little chit chat.
In a way he has a point jp.
The absence of the master demands that we look elsewhere for our amusement perhaps - which is why I didn't take him to task for it.
More than that, you've been bringing further stuff to the table that demanded responses - did he miss those?
Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised to find Richard on this blog when I woke up this morning - I'm a Brit, and Richard was well into his sleepy time.
I'm pleased to see that RCH retains his sense of humour, something I've always admired him for - despite my previous attempts to drown him out.
I take him rather more seriously now - for what that's worth.
First, I know you are extremely busy so I appreciate your feedback and highly value your opinion. Second, which one of your publications cover most of what we discussed? I am interested in purchasing....
Last, please start publishing your work in mp3 (etc) format so i can purchase and listen to it in the car...I travel alot :) I am sure many would love to Purchase podcasts for your books ( Mars, etc) and conferneces just like coast to coast offers. Please consider it.
Thanks again for you feedback and time.
Trevor\Iontruo\Aredo.
I hope i havent come across as an ass.
I know that this tread is supposed to be about the deep Impact mission.
All im saying is that what i have been talking about relates to all matters not just our ability to shoot a BB at an apple.
Ive heard RCH on the radio numerious times talk about the free flow of information.
If he dident want that from us. this fourm would not be here.
jp, don't let one ostentatious piece of **** put you off - what did the person offer but 'shut up, who are you'?
If I were feeling human, I might be tempted to put them in their place, but since the tides come in now, they're probably blowing bubbles.
You seriously need to do something about your spelling - LOL!!
Just kidding - like you said - I can treat it like a lisp - I have already stolen that idea and used it! :)
Richard, If I remember correctly Robert Temple wrote in "The Sirius Mystery" that the Nommos were in a ship in hybernation orbiting Saturn. Do you believe that ties into Iepatus some how? Thankyou
Dont forget to email JPL and sss(Space Science Subcommittee) so that us taxpayers can make this a done deal. GRR8
http://www.congressmerge.com/mailmike.htm (the email for the spacesciencesubcommittee is currently unavailable) so use the above link instead.
trevor,
thank you. I drive long distance for a living, and dont get on line as much as I would like.
so, my brain fills up and its like mind vomet.
like regular vomet you dont check to see that its all in place, your just glad its out.
This is an interesting blog.. even the comments..
A note of appreciation here Mr. Hoagland for the main page and now this venue also.
As an aside from the topic, I live in FL and follow the tropical storm season with more than a scientific interest, last year for me was survival mode twice locally. I made a point to scan Dennis for any Hyper Dimensional evidence but saw no effects discernable. As it was not of the super hurricane class I was not surprised however.
This early season at hand should show some good opputunities yet though, the Atlantic corridor is already becoming active!
Regards to all.
Sorry this isn't about Deep Impact, but everything is connected somehow, isn't it? I don't remember what news show it was, but they were doing a little history of the satellite. I believe Telstar 1 was the first and Walter Cronkite was the first to use it to broadcast to Europe in 1962. Which is something in itself, but this is what caught my eye: http://roland.lerc.nasa.gov/~dglover/sat/telstar.html
I'd say that's a better match than even the "deathstar"!!! Look at that ridge around the middle!!!
Years ago I remember seeing USGS earthquake data reports. I was amazed at just how many quakes occured at a depth of 33km. During the course of a few months, it happend about 60% of the time. And like why 33km and not 30 or 35? Viewing recent data, 33km depths isn't that common lately. Although I cannot find precise data from years ago that made me scratch my head, here is a somewhat good example:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030606221050/http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/
33 Hoagland... any connection to HDP?
Ctj,, but I posted an image up on the conference area concerning its eyewall. There appeared to be 'spokes' in it. But the most important thing regarding this blog is where RCH has asked us to email so that we can get this important full spectrum data available for scrutiny and steady. Help. Thanks.
Telstar1,
Cute. Those are the "phased-array television transmission antennas" around the "equator" of the spacecraft.
Eerie .... :)
Good find.
Cryptosemiotician,
>Even in the repressive Victorian Era, the Admiralty was dogged by 'armchair pirates' and 'speculative cartographers, and the Admiralty's attempts to keep information about THIS planet a State secret failed. Today, we have more and more people gaining the 'landscape of the mind' required to second-guess NASA.
History is repeating itself ....<
Excellent point. People think I'm making this stuff up about NASA. Like, "why would a 'scientific institution' hide ANYTHING?!"
Because it's VALUABLE (to "someone" ...), and (that old cliche) "knowledge is power."
Keep the historical examples comin'. :)
IonTruO2,
While I appreciate your sentiments, let's cut 'em a little slack in the beginning ....
This is like a big, world-wide meeting hall ... with literally thousands of people (again, from our own stats almost 10,000 individual visitors per day!), from all over the planet, getting together for the first time. A bit of "getting to know you" is expected. I don't mind at all. In fact I encourage it (to a point ...).
However, for the busy folks who check in quickly to see what's breaking on this or that subject that I'm following, I might set up another thread ... which would be JUST for such "chit-chat" and "getting to know you" stuff ....
I'll have to see if this computer format will allow that. :)
And I must say, out of some of this "chit-chat" has come some very good additional "intelligence" on what we're trying to figure out! So, I don't want to put a damper on the party.
So, everyone, try to respect that other folks may not be as patient as I am ... in wading through Trev's obvious domestic problems [ :)] and JP's (obvious!) "lisp" -- to get to "the good stuff" .... :)
Anonymous,
>Years ago I remember seeing USGS earthquake data reports. I was amazed at just how many quakes occured at a depth of 33km. During the course of a few months, it happend about 60% of the time. And like why 33km and not 30 or 35? Viewing recent data, 33km depths isn't that common lately ....<
Don't know of any purely "HD" reason why such earthquakes would be clustered at ~33km down ... other than the obvious: "someone" in the USGS (THE most "masonic" of all the government agencies, even more than NASA!) is/was deliterately altering the stats to single out THAT number.
If so, this would be in line with NASA censoring/altering key data, or launching spacecraft and flying by distant planets during key celestial alignments featuring "33" ... all for similar "ritual purposes."
You need to find those original links .... :)
Colonization took decades to pay off, but the venture was worth the effort because everyone in Protestant Europe was made aware that the Spanish soldiers (who fought the Reformation Wars) were paid in Inca gold. The Justification for piracy and privateering evolved into the sanctification of colonization.
Captain Cook's journals were edited by the Admiralty, then passed on to Dr. John Douglas, Canon of Windsor and St. Paul's Cathedral. If they censor ports on coastlines ... how would the explorer and the censors have reacted if, say, Captain Cook had found the USS Nimitz empty and floating in the Pacific Ocean ?
Hello Richard! First off I'd like to say I love your web site.. Content
is everything!
I must admit that after going over a number of articles at the Enterprise web
site I wasn't too sure about where you were coming from so to speak and after
hearing you on Coast to Coast a few times I've come to believe that you're
quite on the ball.
Richard, is there a way I can speak to you privately concerning technical issues
of the blog? Do you have an email address somewhere at Enterprise?
Sincerely, Charles
IonTruO2,
>Truth revealed and restored, the illusion making will expire. Clarity and direct contact with the always existing Divine Reality will occur again. That is my feeling, as you scientifically, effectively peal away the layers of crap and obfuscation that are in the way of human transcendence. We were never meant to keep going around and around, stuck in samsara unconsciously repetitive. Why the great cover-up for so long across large time? Why the forgetting and denial?<
Excellent questions. Because, you're right: ultimately this is ALL just "soap opera" (the hiding of data, the manipulation of whole goverments, the endless, deliberate killing of innocent people ...), designed to distract us (that word again ...) from the REAL Prize.
I would readily admit that I don't know "the" answer yet .. if there is a single "answer." I (like others) have my suspicions as to what this "game" is ultimately all about. But suspicions are NOT science.
I would commend you to a colleague of mine, Jay Weidner, who has written something which addresses precisely why a lot of folks seem to have "forgotten" things which they should "remember" .... :)
And, as I have proposed elsewhere, it seems to all come down to the currently changing Physics (in the HD Model) and its continuing, cyclic effects on Consciousness ....
http://www.jayweidner.com/2012Topology.html
Enjoy.
Bithead,
> ... which one of your publications cover most of what we discussed? I am interested in purchasing ....<
Start with "The Monuments of Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever." That's all the basic "Mars stuff" and "HD Physics" -- originally published in 1987, now in its 5th Edition -- up until 2001.
Available at all major bookstores, or Amazon.
Then, there's the DVD series: "the NASA-Lewis Briefing," "the U.N Briefing," my "Ohio State Presentation," and the 9-hour University of Wisconsin Conference, "God, Man and ET" ... all available here:
http://www.filmbaby.com/member/mydvd.php
The MP3 idea is great. I'm in discussion about that and Ipods. Will let you know .... :)
Richard,
You say that Mars was the moon of a now destroyed planet. I don't know of any papers or discussions on Mars having an "odd" orbit like you would expect from a moon getting blown away or losing it's larger body that is it's center of orbit, you would think Mars would have a very strange wobble. Kind of a moon like orbit and the larger orbit around the sun. Mars also isn't knocked out of the elliptic like you would expect from such a catastrophic event.
TenAlp
Richard C. Hoagland said:
"I hope this is at least a partially satisfactory answer to your question. :)"
Insofar as you took the time to respond to my question at such great length, it is entirely satisfactory - thank you very much for that.
I have to say that I don't agree with your assertions regarding the objectivity and verifiability of the evidence that you deal with in your investigation as opposed to that which is associated with grey aliens/ET's.
Nevertheless, I am thankful to have had the opportunity to ask a question and to have had it answered directly.
TenAlp,
In fact, BOTH these tell-tale properties vis a vis Mars' orbit are true: it's significantly tilted, with respect to the Earth's plane of revolution, and -- more important -- it is definitely elliptical ... far more than Earth, Jupiter, or Venus (its nearest neighbors) ....
This is the direct legacy of its former orbit around another center of gravity (Planet V) ... before that center of gravity literally disappeared (exploded) -- leaving Mars orbiting the sun with the added energy of its former orbit of that "parent" planet.
It's a bit like whirling a rock around your head, tied to a string ... and you cut the string. The rock will fly off in a STRAIGHT LINE.
However ... if you were also orbiting the sun in a spacecuit when you cut the string, the rock would then be flying free in that straight line in orbit AROUND THE SUN ... with whatever added energy it acquired from being whirled around on the end of the string ....
Of course, a moon orbiting a major planet is going to have an orbital velocity of several MILES per second (!) -- a LOT more than the "rock on a string." That's what has created Mars' pronounced elliptical orbit ... and left an orbital signature which allows precise reconstruction of these amazing events by one of the world's best celestial mechanics experts: Tom Van Flandern.
Read Tom Van Flandern's detailed celestial model for all this, here:
http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%2...eph/eph2000.asp
Pachylamerei Mahajunga,
>I have to say that I don't agree with your assertions regarding the objectivity and verifiability of the evidence that you deal with in your investigation as opposed to that which is associated with grey aliens/ET's.<
OK, tell me where I'm wrong ... besides the obvious: that NASA's FAKED the evidence of "ruins on Mars, the Moon, the satellites of Jupiter, Iapetus, etc., etc." ... and then spent DECADES covering that up. :)
JP said...
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/
Hey JP,
WOW!!! That is one awesome link!!! I'll be absorbing that link for a long time.
One of my favorite "electric universe" sites is the "PICTURE OF THE DAY" over at
http://www.thunderbolts.info/
That movie seen thru the roiling photospere right to the surface is so fascinating I could watch it for hours!
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/T171_000828.avi
Again, thanks!
I'm a little surprised that our watchdogs are focused on the data they have, rather than the data being withheld. During this in-between phase, while the data is either being cooked or the spin is being researched and tested.
Mathematics is pure knowledge (some say pure science). Numbers work the same way with beans or rocks. However, it may surprise most scientists, but the sciences are not.
Most scientists feel they know what they know, whether formally trained or self-taught ... but do they have knowledge or belief ? It is possible for Surveyors to plot a map without knowing about the political motives that went into the gridlines on his blank map.
Information was proprietary and the Royal Society, the Lunar Society and other self-selecting groups were not in the business of bringing the lower classes up to speed - quite the opposite, they were trying to create an intellectual apartheid.
Who decided what map projection would be the industry standard ? National Geographic ? The Longitude Convention ? IT was certainly not the demand side that chose it - it was the supply side. The decision of what map projection we would end up being given was made when the Admiralty decided that orthographic projection is the only maps they would release for public consumption.
The term Royal Society is an abbreviation. It's original name The Royal Society of London for the Promotion and Advancement of Natural Knowledge.
Natural knowledge is being advanced and promoted ... so, what is being suppressed ?
If we are not looking at the map projection that the ancients used, then how are we supposed to recognize anything anomalous or man-made on Mars ? We-the-people were not expected to align the monuments or connect the dots on Mars - simply because we have failed at figuring out what is going on here on planet Earth.
The Ancients tradition continues here on Earth. There is a permanence to stone, so the evidence that the elites 'have a clue' (sorry Stewie) exists and can be measured. Whether this leads to the mass arrests described earlier, I don't know. If you want to look for clues, bring your 3D glasses.
Don't use the calendar they gave you because that calendar was adopted for public consumption.
Use the old one. July 4 = June 24.
Don't use the map projection system that they popularized - the stones fall silent on that kind of map.
Consider longitude and latitude values to be the bone that was thrown to you.
Use a pilot's map centered on your location and use distance and bearing (like the explorers & pioneers)
Luckily the evidence of ancient science masquerading as modern tradition didn't just dry up and blow away. True, there are no more cathedrals being built, but we still have a statue cult, a bank-temple culture and, of course, the freemasons (part of their support cult).
For those studying Mars, remember, here on Earth, size matters, but position matters more.
Both sons of Abraham consider Jerusalem to be the center of the world, so this world view of elites is not exclusive to the elites. Think about the Shriner's logo, which says ANCIENT ARABIC ORDER.
For those trying to reconcile the games with dates and places, intellectual apartheid and thinking about the significance of stones from the stars, that same Shriner's logo reads, NOBLES OF THE MYSTIC SHRINE.
Food for thought ...
So, everyone, try to respect that other folks may not be as patient as I am ... in wading through Trev's obvious domestic problems [ :)] and JP's (obvious!) "lisp" -- to get to "the good stuff" .... :)
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Ouch!! LOL!!
Now Richard, you really don't want to go there. :)
I will behave.
Trevor,
I'll bet .... :)
I did read Part 6 of your Iapetus piece, found it very interesting, must have skipped it before.
As you say, rotation is everything, when do you suppose they'll realise that?
Dear Richard
Links:..weekly updates....
http://www.paoweb.com/sn120903.htm ..World History 101,et al
http://www.paoweb.com/sn120302.htm ..Fibonacci, 12 Stage Timeline,et al
http://www.paoweb.com/sn101403.htm ..'Age of Discovery', et al
http://www.paoweb.com/sn040803.htm
http://www.paoweb.com/sn041503.htm...
http://www.paoweb.com/sn092303.htm..7 months after Columbia.....
http://www.paoweb.com/sn110403.htm
http://www.paoweb.com/sn081203.htm
http://www.paoweb.com/sn030904.htm ..first 90-100 days after the upcoming 'event'....
http://www.paoweb.com/sn061003.htm ...
*********
Last week's update for July 5th,2005:
http://www.paoweb.com/sn070505.htm
Best Regards,
Thomas
Grr8,
This below may help, it belongs to one of the better independant meteorologists on the web. Note the activety coming off of Africa so early this season.
http://www.crownweather.com/tropical.html
Whoever is behind 9/11, 7/7, ... seems to be quite content with the consequences of his operation so far, ... or else the bombings would have stopped right after 9/11.
So the question is: who ist it? Who benefits from this worldwide climate of fear? Who has an interest in frightening people to the point, where they start to beg for more control, biometric passports, email- and phone-observations? Who would like to intensify the increasing irrational hate towards Muslims?
The official answer so far is: Muslims! Now, does that make any sense?
Richard,
Do you think this is for real?
see:
http://aoreport.com/2005_07_devilstormdennis-satanicpentagram.htm
Picture taken of the eye of Dennis
with pentagran in it.
Folks -
This Deep Impact event may indeed validate the whole EPH thing, but the big deal goes even further than that.
Suppose that space is not actually electrically neutral as we've all been led to believe for decades. Suppose that instead of gravitational forces driving all that we see, that electricity is the dominant force in the cosmos. Suppose that our sun--and ALL stars!--are actually not nuclear furnaces but are positively charged anodes--part of a galactic electrical circuit--in a "glow discharge" state. Suppose further that the "heliopause" is actually our sun's Langmuir sheath, an electrically charged "buffer zone" between one charged body and its oppositely charged immediate environment; similar to the comas of comets. Suppose that ALL comets are just bone-dry lumps of rock, through-and-through; that the reason why they seem to "sublimate" is that there is an electrical discharge happening all over the surface of the negatively charged comet—-negatively charged due to their generally highly elliptical orbits, which allow them to come into charge equilibrium with a weaker region of the sun’s plasma environment. Suppose that these comets are simply exhibiting the normal behavior for a charged body in plasma, that their comas--what we have interpreted as “high-pressure gas jets” and melting ice--are actually the effects of electrical arcing on the surface of the comet, that this arcing is actually finely “machining” the surface of the comet. This type of highly energetic electrical arcing is capable of fracturing many types of molecules and freeing many types of atoms and particles. In the cases of comets, what we see as water in the comas is actually misleading; the water vapor does not come from the nucleus in the way that we think. It is actually produced in the comas (or Langmuir sheaths) as the electrical arcing releases oxygen atoms from the surface of the rocky comet and jets it into space (along with dust and other freed elements). There, it combines with the hydrogen atoms (that are accelerating away from the sun on galactic electric currents) to produce water spectra. As the comet approaches closer to the sun, its charge imbalance becomes greater and greater, until such time as it either passes safely out of the sun’s plasma sheath or is pulverized by the gigantic electrical forces brought to bear on it—remember comet LINEAR?
Look again at the photo loop that was sent back from the impactor. As it approaches the surface of Tempel 1 there are electrical arc discharges visible all over the surface, if you are willing and able to accept it—-they read and have been interpreted as anomalous “bright spots.” But, when you see that the universe is COMPLETELY electrically active, you see that these “bright spots” seem to move or wink in an out as the impactor approaches. Further, notice how NASA lost radio communication with the impactor about 3.7 seconds before impact, and that they recorded an initial small flash before the big one. Suppose that this first flash was actually an electrical discharge between the impactor and the comet (like a lightning strike), and that this is what wiped out all the electrical systems on the impactor. When the COPPER impactor finally did hit the comet, it produced a stunningly huge—to NASA—effect, increasing the comet’s brightness by at least a factor of four. Suppose that the reason why the comet brightened so much was because of a large electrical outburst that was facilitated by the COPPER impactor.
NASA’s cover-up may indeed have nefarious, military-industrial-complex origins; I’m not necessarily disputing that. What I am saying is more along the lines of an earlier discussion here about whether or not scientists are really scientists or scienticians. What I’m suggesting is a complete paradigm shift away from the 200-year-old models of gas and gravity—strictly mechanical—to one focused more on the vast currents of energy that fill our cosmos; one that more closely corresponds to the phenomena that we have been able to see through platforms such as Chandra and others. How long did it take for the heliocentric reality of our solar system to be widely accepted? Hopefully, it will not take that long for us to wake up to the reality that OUR UNIVERSE IS ELECTRIC.
Richard, I think that this dovetails nicley with your HD investigations.
More: http://www.thunderbolts.info
Damon
Ok, NASA says it's just powder.....:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15873776-23109,00.html
Comet Covered In Powder - NASA
news.com.au
7-10-5
(AFP) -- The Tempel 1 comet smacked by a projectile from the Deep Impact probe was covered with powder on its surface, NASA said today, explaining the cloud of matter left by Monday's carefully planned impact. "Data from Deep Impact's instruments indicate an immense cloud of fine powdery material was released when the probe slammed into the nucleus of comet Tempel 1 at about 10 kilometres per second," said a statement from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) at Pasadena, near Los Angeles.
"The major surprise was the opacity of the plume the impactor created and the light it gave off," said Deep Impact chief investigator Michael A'Hearn, of the University of Maryland.
"The cloud indicated the comet is covered in the powdery stuff. The Deep Impact science team continues to wade through gigabytes of data collected during the July 4 encounter with the comet measuring five-kilometres-wide by 11-kilometres-long."
The information also includes some 4,500 images taken when the impact occurred, NASA said.
The washing machine-sized projectile crashed head-on into the Tempel 1 comet at 3.52pm (AEST) on Monday, with the collision photographed by a separate fly-by spacecraft.
Within minutes of the crash, scientists were able to pore over a wealth of high-resolution images showing a bright flash of light as the projectile collided with the potato-shaped comet that was discovered in 1867.
Copyright 2005 News Limited.
They also say they have more than 4500 images and gigabytes of other data.
Ok, let us see 8)
Hi RC,
I noted that one blogger Dave mentioned the Thunderbolts.info website where they have a Picture of the Day & archives of old POD's. What the Electric Universe proponents have stated really makes a lot more sense than the old school model that mainstream astronomers have held for almost a hundred years. ( and mainstream model was all based on assumption as you will read at Thunderbolts ) And as you so enthusiastically say all the time " it has to be testable using science methods. " Well that's what they are saying is that ALL of this is testable and observable. I would direct you to have a look at their predictions (pre-impact)of what they expectd to see with Tempel 1. One interesting thing was that they stated there may be a large electric discharge (megabolt of lightning) between the impactor & Tempel. However, the big zap seems to have been not so big but still may have happened. ie. small flash just before impact. The reason for the not so big liteshow is that Tempel is not a long period comet that travels deep into space where charge is more negative the further out one goes. Since Tempel is a short period comet it doesn't get exposed to higher densities of negative charge. When the longer period comets come from these regions in towards the Sun and encounters the much more positively charged particles (hydrogen ions) they react much more violently electrically than short period comets. Also I would imagine that size would have something to do wit it as well. ie. Hale Bopp was pretty specatular electrically. I also agree with most of the comments that this thing looks more like an asteroid. And since it seems to have come from the vicinity of Mars orbit I also have to agree that it's a remnant of that Planet V. I don't even need to see any scientific evidence regarding the fact that there was another planet here at one time. Call it a gut instinct but I just know it was there. One other possible explanation for comets is the plasma discharge model. I heard you on Coast with McCanney and I know you have some disagreements with James and I don't agree with everything he says either but I do like the Thunderbolts guys idea. And that is that some comets are plasma ejecta from either the Sun or one of the gas giants. Similar idea is that Saturns rings are remnants of an old plasma ejection. Electrical stresses build up to the point where the body (be it star or gas giant) has to realease that stress somehow. With the increase in electrical stresses come the instabilities in the plasma sheaths surround in the body. So a star may fission and create a twin star or a gas giant companion. The gas giants have these same instabilities and tend to give birth so to speak to smaller rocky bodies such as large comets for example. But I still think there's a lot of debris floating about out there from a body that got electrically stressed and blew itself to bits. Your hyper-dimensional model fits in nicely along with the electrical & plasma aspect of the Universe since it's all tied together in a unified field model and hyper-dimensional physics can explain it all from a higher mathematical and physical perspective.
It seems over the years that you have been progressively opening up to more fringe ideas about just what the hell is going on in our little neck of the woods in the galaxy. And I hope you take a more in depth look at the Electric Universe model especially that of Wal Thornhill & company at Thundebolts.info. He also has an elegant synopsis at holoscience.com. After I read that my eyes were opened yet once again. (Seems to be happening a lot these days) The solar system and many of it's anomalies can be very neatly explained if you accept a very electrically active plasma soup pervading the solar system and the Universe for that matter. Many of the surprises that we have found out in the depths of space can be explained in the Electric Universe model but not with the conventional model. And the kicker ? All that we have seen observationally can be duplicated in plasma labs ... it's testable Richard !!!
THanks for listening ...
Kevin Smith
13:13
HI Again,
One more thing I forgot to point out. In the pre-impact photo of Tempel 1 ... where the hell is the coma ??? If this is a comet? I seem to remember seeing some telescope photos that did show a very small but definite coma. Then when the probe gets it's first look close up ... the coma is not there. So if this was just an asteroid what the hell did they shoot at it to make such a big energy signiture ??? Asteroids aren't as electrically active as comets so maybe all that flashy light show stuff wasn't electrical in nature ??? Although one tell tale sign of electrical interaction would be a dramatic increase in Ultraviolet & Xray emissions. Which is what that one source stated ... big UV increase right ?
Now I wonder what the Xray band might reveal ...
Kevin
13:13
whatever happened to the opportunity with Dr Terrebys discovery of that 'extra-solar' planet? See 'Hubbles Runaway Planet' over at the archives at TEM. Part one. CTJ: thanks for the link concerning tropical weather.
Good on ya, Kevin!
I would STRONGLY encourage EVERYONE here to take a look at the thunderbolts.info site. I am fully convinced that recognizing the electricity that circulates in space will ultimately lead us to recognize the HD aspects of everything. This is going to be a tough slog, though, as there are billions of dollars and thousands of careers on the line. I mean, what if NASA and the National Science Institutes have been asking the wrong questions all along? What if all the BILLIONS of dollars that have been sunk into trying to create artificial hot fusion ("like the Sun!"--yeah, right) have been WASTED? Besides that, it becomes face-meltingly embarrasing for egg-heads at MIT and CalTech to admit that they have been cobbling together a "Franken-theory" for decades, adjusting the gravity model over the years to try to explain newly observed "shocking," "surprising," "anomolous," or "as yet not fully understood" phenomena. It seems to me that as soon as your theory fails to predict behavior or phenomena, your theory is dead. Mainstream science seems to have blinded themselves to the truth to such a degree that they feel not the least bit embarrassed continuing to espouse (and retrofit in an ad hoc manner!) what is obviously a flawed model.
Further, as Kevin points out, all this is TESTABLE in a lab! These plasma effects work at ALL SCALES, from the microscopic to the galactic. As a challenge to some skeptics, I would direct them to examine the effects of a common modern industrial process, Electrical Discharge Machining (EDM). Microscopic analysis of surfaces that have been EDM'ed will show that they often look exactly like many of the features that we see on planets and moons in our system. Indeed, the rabbit hole does go deeper...
What if Tesla was right?
Damon
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Hey Richard,
Any update on when we might set part 7 on the Iapetus series.
thanks
joe
Anonymous :
Great post !
If maps used here on Earth turn out to be artifacts, or man-made via stratagem, then it means we have an example whereby we don't need the complicity or acquiescence of scientists in order to turn them into part-time politicians. The choice of map projection was politicized, so we are no longer dealing with conscious intention, but rather an unthinking convention.
Peter :
fascinating question. One I have asked myself everytime I see a re-play of the planes flying into the WTC.
The British have had a back door into the Muslim World ever since the Templars and the Muslims fought side-by-side against the Mongol horde. It was just a few decades after that when the puppet Pope (of the French King) arrested all Templars. The difference between a King and an Emperor is that an Emperor is recognized outside of Christendom - a power the muslims didn't want the French King to have. The Muslims diplomatic rheumatism was either caused by their deference towards their allies (the British under Richard the Lionhearted). While the British were making friends with the Muslims, the King of France was writing letters to the Mongols, offering to trade the Pyramids for Jerusalem - to which the Mongols agreed, but both were defeated.
British map-making is the key. Besides North America, the British map-makers who drew the lines in the sand of the Middle East carried a (metaphoric) diplomatic passport that included a letter from their enemy (the French King) to the Muslims enemy (the Mongols). Unlike North America, the British needed an aristocracy (a privileged or leisure class) to interact with (like India).
London is modern Babylon. New York is the New Jerusalem. Moscow is the Thrid and Final Rome. The question we are left with is, as bombs go off in Jerusalem, Moscow, New York and now London : where is the parallel institution in the Muslim World ? Is it defunct ? It would certainly help us fight terrorism to know where British and Muslim culture/religion connect because the people doing the bombing could be Muslims, setting events among the stars, so that they might one day seem like prophecy. However, there are too many other events fitting this pattern. For example, the JFK assassination followed the same sacred calendar and map.
Is the Muslim World our enemy ? Or, have subversives learned how to frame our enemies ? Either way, it perpetuates this economy of guns over butter. We get a war overseas that justifies ignoring the people sleeping in parks at home. Is the enemy internal or exteranal ? Or both ? Is the goal to terrorize people ? Or simply force them to readjust their priorities ?
These are the questions that we need to answer when we choose sacred dates and coordinates to demonstrate our power, ingenuity or cultural virility. If terrorists are using dates and coordinates (that are superstitious to some) like that ... should NASA continue ? If so, why ?
Here's something somebody might not have known,
http://aviationnow.ecnext.com/free-scripts/comsite2.pl?page=aw_document&article=07115p07
also here:
http://tinyurl.com/8az44
A'Hearn's proposal is a three-year mission extension to encounter the comet Boethin in December 2008. The trajectory includes an Earth flyby in January 2008 to gain the extra energy to meet the comet. He estimates the cost would be $30 million. The Deep Impact primary mission cost $333 million with the launcher. Getting what is a new mission on a proven spacecraft, without the risk of launch, at a 90% discount, sounds like a good deal.
Deep Impact needs a trajectory change soon if it is to have enough propellant for a new mission. That change remained forbidden by NASA Headquarters as the spacecraft team celebrated their hard-won success on July 4, a sign of money troubles and uncertainty about directions at the agency. Clear heads prevailed on July 5 and the course change was approved--but not the extended mission. We urge NASA to go all the way and support this very cost-effective proposal that should make fresh discoveries and substantially grow our knowledge of these interesting bodies, with a proven high-quality performer.
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Interesting...round 2 for Deep Impact?
Bob...
Richard,
I see a lot of great posts and opinions on many various subjects.
But all this will get out of hand pretty fast when you consider the number of visitors each day you posted (I had no Idea it could be that high).
What I'm trying to say is wouldn't it be a good idea to create a true forum with various sections for discussing all the new topics as well as some popular old ones. (for example, section for mars, moon HD physics explained and questions)
Check out www.physorg.com for example they have lots of news everyday many different subjects that you can comment, but any discussion if made in the forums.
Blog comments are not very user friendly, links don't work, you cant find fast where something was posted and if you would like to ask something that's off topic you cant easily do so.
Any way that's just my opinion, I'm happy that we at least have somewhere to ask and say something. I just hope it will grow into a very influential community. Richard THX for reading my observations.
...Jan...
Jan,
There is PRECISELY such an "Enterprise Community" already alive and flourishing: it's called the Enterprise Conference. Here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/conference.html
The link is also found at the top of this blog, on the right hand side ....
There's a (very small) monthly fee (for maintainence; Enterprise gets nothing).
But, a lot of folks are vigorously talking over there about ALL these things ... and in a variety of topic-defined (and thus searchable) threads.
Try it, everyone. :)
Wow Richard. I really think this comment you made:
"Terrorists (again) blowing up more things ... and killing more truly clueless people"
was a little rude. Maybe I misunderstood your intentions but a clarification my be in order.
Cheers,
Anonymous
Anon,
Already clarified ... above.
Richard,
Thanks for your feedback and your direction to Jay Weidner. I am familiar with the story of the Hendaye Monument and aspects of the 2012 revelence, so I will have a good look at his site! My appologies concerning my impatience with the "others". I feel priviliged to be able to contact you so directly, around these challenging topics. Youv'e also made me laugh from your comment re: those others' and their issues! I will be more patient.
No thoughts on Sitchen and the 12th Planet? Not current enough, scientifically?
That would be awesome to see people become a part of our online community over at the Conference area. Looking forward to meeting all of you. GRR8
Richard C. Hoagland said:
"OK, tell me where I'm wrong ... besides the obvious: that NASA's FAKED the evidence of "ruins on Mars, the Moon, the satellites of Jupiter, Iapetus, etc., etc." ... and then spent DECADES covering that up. :)"
How would you recommend we go about `verifying' that the `face', the `D&M pyramid', the `glass-tubes', the `Martian flying saucer', the `pipelines' in Ares Vallis, the `miles-high glass ruins' on the moon - or any of the other large-scale anomalies that you've called attention to - are artificial?
Occam's Razor (the simplest theory wins) applies to pure mathematics, but it does not apply to cosmological questions like Mars anomalies. Just because it's difficult to imagine people building things on Mars doesn't mean it can't happen. The majority see evidence of man-made buildings, the burden of proof rests with the theorist to prove how those things happen naturally. Science is structured to dispense hysterical realism and it's really a case of the debunkers theory versus the observations of those who see anomalies. No theory can ever stand up to an observation.
Perhaps poll the people who 'observe' a face ?
Richard,
Have you seen the latest Cassini photos? Here is what NASA says:
Two new Cassini views of Saturn's tumbling moon Hyperion offer the best looks yet at one of the icy, irregularly-shaped moons that orbit the giant, ringed planet.
If you look at the picture, you could be fooled into thinking its an undisclosed photo of the comet. What makes this "moon" different from the comet?
Nasa continues: "Preliminary estimates of its density show that Hyperion is only about 60 percent as dense as solid water ice, indicating that much of its interior (40 percent or more) must be empty space. This makes the moon more like an icy rubble pile than a solid body"
I think they got the comet and moon mixed up :)
RCH...
What was the point of the use of coper for the main body of the probe?
has NASA or JPL said anything about that.
Just wondering.
Richard,
I have to say your series "A Moon With A View"
is your most Visionary, yet.
Looking at this latest installment on the EM site,
I couldn't help remembering that multi-millions of people
who regard the bible to be true and holy writ
ALREADY believe that an artificial "Superconstruction"
(ala the colorful terminology of one Charles Hoy Fort)
is a truth- an actual populated object existing which is coming
to orbit Earth and to be revealed to all existing mankind.
(take a brief peek at Chapter 21 of the bible book of Revelation)
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Doing a Google quickie-
Here, the artist illustrates the "heavenly City of God"
as being a Cube - 1500 x 1500 x 1500 miles:
http://www.tribulation.com/coolimag.htm
(scroll down)
but,
I've also seen it depicted as an equilateral triangle (Pyramid)
of the same dimensions,
and I've also seen the dimensions disputed,
and one opinion stating that
the 1500 miles (12,000 furloughs) is referring to the PERIMETER
so then the DIAMETER of the Heavenly City would be more like
375 miles:
http://www.biblebell.org/hvn/heaven5.html#NOTE2
others say the dimensions are interpreted as:
12,000 stadia [1,379 miles]. (verse 16)
[Its height being the same as its length and width]
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With you using wording such as "god-like technology"
used to create "a planet/moon-sized "world" or "spaceship",
and then harking back to Bucky Fuller's “Geodesic Domes”
and stating that "Iapetus is not one of the normal “moons” of Saturn
-- but is actually a 900-mile-wide, manufactured,
ancient world-sized spaceship ... " " world-sized ship!" ...
(which would make it WAY SMALLER than the bibical Heavenly City
coming down out of the sky, or the heaven(s) or outer space
and thus, making it a sort of "spaceship" 'on approach' ...)
And ANY of the geometric shapes under your three-dimensional
“Platonic Solids”[which will fit perfectly within a sphere]:
http://whistleralley.com/polyhedra/platonic.htm
would work for the "shape" of Revelation's "Heavenly City"
as would a Sphere itself-
though the main debate in the theological community
seems to be between _ Cube -vs- Triangle _
So,
Iapetus as a manufactured/created (by god(like) process)
900-mile wide "spaceship/world" should be an 'easy sell',
(for a dedicated Cassini mission back to Iapetus)
at least to over One Billion people (Christians)
(mucho U.S.Taxpayers among them) who *should* believe
that a "MoonCity" of Saturn is "small fries"
compared to that which the Bible says is coming,
and to that same concept they've already wrapped
their minds and hearts around..
Thanks to everybody for the links and comments.
Further the topic of rotation, see
http://vortexdehydration.com/
Futher the topic of building monuments, such as Coral Castle, anti-gravity is not needed to explain how it's done. See
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/Page1.htm
Onward, George.
Oh yes, 2 questions.
Would somebody please explain to me how the Impactor caused a 15-hour brightening in the UV?
And then go on to explain to me how the Impactor caused ejecta to come out of the crater for hours after the impact?
Thanks in advance, George.
I just heard about this on C2CAM. Please keep'em comin'. Don't let your hands get tired with all the necessary typing.
Also, I ran a blog for a while (The Bomb Site Bulletin. I ran a couple of articles about you there.) but it got hacked, chewed up, and spit out. Watch your back!
Hello Richard
these are interconnected ...
click on thumbnails...
http://www.nesara.us/gallery13/doit.html
http://www.paoweb.com/sn040803.htm ...the 6th & 7th paragraphs
http://www.karinya.com/tonywicks.htm
Major Global Announcements Soon.... a 'New Reality' soon.....
Best Regards
Thomas
I've read from books by Robert Morning Skt that the people of Sirius hollow out asteroids and use them as ships.
But if the people of Sirius have figured that out then it could be normal all over the Universe.
Do you think it's possible we started a war on the 4th of July by shooting down someone's ship?
According to testimony at the Disclosure Project (http://www.disclosureproject.org/), we've already shot down numerous alien craft in the past. Since the planet has not been turned into a burning cinder, it seems the "visitors" may take human hostility as a given.
Brian
Wha are your thoughts on this review from an Astronomer:
ttp://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=936&category=Science
the Kuiper Belt is a region that basically was formed from Neptune on outward and has not moved from that region, whereas the Oort Cloud objects actually formed slightly closer to the Sun. But because of all the stirring up of the orbits by the large planets, they were thrown out to the Oort Cloud.
Thus, the Kuiper Belt is actually the reservoir that's been pretty much where it is today for the last 4.5 billion years. So, we understand much better where the Kuiper Belt objects have been than the Oort cloud comets.
On the other hand, Comet Tempel I has been in the inner solar system for many, many orbits. That means the outer parts of Tempel I have been changed by heating from the Sun, which is exactly why the Deep Impact mission was trying to bash a big hole so we could see deeper down inside and go back to the fresher (older untouched) material.
WHEN WILL YOU HAVE MORE DEFINITIVE ANALYSIS ON THE UNKNOWNS?
The data we collected at the Kech Observatory are as complicated as any data set in the world because we were at extremely high resolution so we could see very, very fine detail. But as a result, the data are much harder to reduce than lower resolution data. So, my goal is to have it reduced enough to talk about it at the end of the summer in the Division of Planetary Sciences (AAAS) meeting in Cambridge, England beginning September 3, 2005.4
We've got a preliminary reduction that I don't trust yet from the night of the impact. but hopefully over the next couple of weeks from now, I'll be able to say more.
IS THE CAMBRIDGE MEETING GOING TO BE THE FIRST PUBLIC PRESENTATION ABOUT THE DEEP IMPACT DATA?
No, actually there is a meeting on Asteroids, Comets and Meteors in Brazil beginning August 8, 2005."
Have we ever seen (spectral analysis) comets in the Kuiper Belt?
Holley Blue Crow & anonymous: I think that was a cargo. I think that conspiracy groups on Earth were looking for something they didn't find or they found something they didn't expect hence the reason to commence a second attack on another "comet", which they claim will be a target which is some years away but you wonder how many targets are really there during the path to that one...
There are at least three possibilities about why humanity, well, conspiracy groups behind everything, got hostile against those spacecraft:
1) There are some other alien races behind conspiracy groups here on Earth that are at war with other aliens races/groups and they are active here thanks to hybrids and mimic techniques.
2) Conspiracy groups are just humans that got a chance to steal aliens technology and their secrets in the past here on Earth, they want more and more and they plan on destroying entire alien races even if they have better technology right now, aliens are not hostile (maybe).
3) The same as #2 but conspiracy groups found out that aliens are a menace and plan on use and abuse humanity and this planet for their own purposes, they might have found some allies inside aliens groups which gave them their technology (but it might not be the case), and for this reason they plan on declaring a large scale war in the future as soon as humanity managed to use alien technology properly and find out something better starting with that (which could be another valid explanation of how fast some technologies appeared all of a sudden.. but point #1 and #2 still give same valid explanations anyway).
Just wonder if Richard and everyone had seen the article in the guardian with Gary McKinnon the guy who hacked the US government computers. He is saying that he found a list of Non-Terrestrial Officers. You can read it yourself at http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/the-nerd-who-saw-too-much/2005/07/12/1120934245512.html?oneclick=true
Everyone,
This is beginning to feel like bailing out the Atlantic Ocean with a teacup .... :)
What have I done ...?
Well, RCH, you're really doing two jobs : scientist and historian. I guess I always assumed that enlightening people about space is easy (and fun) because astronomy and physics are interesting. On the other hand, teaching a scientist to pay attention to political calculations is always a much tougher sell.
People in the social sciences don't get corporate research funding and will likely never hold a patent for their original work. It does raise discussions that pop up in Universities, like, who has the right to write history ? Science serves Commerce and the media should follow your example and offer up interpretations by scientists AND whatever relevant social sciences necessary : economist, historian, political scientist or theologian.
The scientists coming to glean your wisdom can perhaps help you out by answering my barrage of questions on the Earth as capacitor idea. The exploding planet hypothesis (EPH) I was familiar with, but the Universe being electrically charged, I'm fairly new to ...
If the Universe is not electrically neutral - howcome Neil Armstrong didn't get a shocking reception when he landed on the moon ?
If the Earth is charged, is it in a static state ? Would the magnitude (maybe even alignment) of the charge change with the introduction of each little bit of external material ?
Finally, does anyone think "Keep the Faith" bumper stickers will ever be replaced by ones that read, "Hold the Charge" ?
cryptosemiotician: Electrical charges are one of the results of factors connected with theories like strings and multi-verses. I think that's a mistake to think that just simple electrical charges and forces are at work and apply everywhere in space and time.. there is way more than that and what we see is not what we really get and what is really out there, it's just a little bit of it...
Those were the first two issues that came to mind ...
I've got a history of interest in 'alignments' :-)
George,
>Would somebody please explain to me how the Impactor caused a 15-hour brightening in the UV?
>And then go on to explain to me how the Impactor caused ejecta to come out of the crater for hours after the impact?<
OK, the first one is easy. It was the Earth-orbiting spacecraft, SWIFT, which recorded the abrupt UV "flash" at Impact, followed by a slow decline .... And, it was NOT "over 15 hours" but more like 7 (the full plot was for about 15-hours, with the Impact taking place just before 6:00 AM Greenwich Time).
The persistence of the higher UV from the comet AFTER Impact (for some hours) is explained by the reflection of sunlight from VERY tiny sub-micron-sized-particles, formed in the blast ... as the cloud expanded into space.
If we had the Deep Impact spectra taken close-up of that flash and the resulting cloud ... we'd know WHAT was released in the Impact. But without that data ....
On your second question: ejecta didn't come out of the crater "for hours." Both the Swift data and the various ground-based observatory images show a steady DECLINE in the brightness of the comet a few hours after impact, consistent with the initial cloud expanding and dissipating ... but no "steady emission" of new material from the original impact site.
This is ALL consistent with Deep Impact hitting a ROCKY object ... NOT an "ice cube" (as A'Hearn, the chief scientist for the Mission also confirmed) ....
And the SWAS water data also confirmed a surprising DECREASE in water emission AFTER the Impact ....
So, the picture is pretty consistent: Tempel 1 was NOT a "dirty snowball," by ANY stretch of the imagination (or data!). But, without that post-impact on-site Deep Impact spectra ... we will NEVER know WHAT that crucial first few seconds revealed ... as that initially seething hot, but rapidly cooling (and condensing) plume expanded into space at several MILES per second ....
And THAT'S the major "crime" here.
My interest is in ANY science that went underground - my problem is catching up. So, I write to a few friends who know astronomy better than I do. Sometimes I get explanations and other times I get questions and think, "hmmm good question". Or, I'll get cautions like, "electrical or not, it's folly to underestimate the role of gravity".
I'm learning astronomy the same place most people learn about economics and sex ; on the street :-)
I was asking around if an electrical universe is a more dangerous place than a neutral one ... and if so, it would have had an adverse effect on priorities and planning in the Space Program.
I agree that this proves an exploded planet theory is now even more possible. Hey, what if the name of the planet was Alderaan?
Star Wars wasn't really in a galaxy far far away was it? And Nasa knows this!! It's a big cover up!
I found this quote from Donald Yeomans (Supervisor of the Solar System Dynamics Group at JPL) telling:
""Using an Earth swingby, the spacecraft could be re-targeted to comet 85P/Boethin in late 2008," Yeomans said. Cameras on-board the Flyby spacecraft have shown their abilities to provide impressive imaging. Additionally, the infrared spectrometer has also performed beautifully, he said."
What spectrometry?
The full article is on MSNBC at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8572579/page/2/
Anonymous,
>"Using an Earth swingby, the spacecraft could be re-targeted to comet 85P/Boethin in late 2008," Yeomans said. Cameras on-board the Flyby spacecraft have shown their abilities to provide impressive imaging. Additionally, the infrared spectrometer has also performed beautifully, he said."
>What spectrometry?<
Yes, WHAT "spectrometry??!!" Apparently, "they" get to see it ... we DON'T.
Helluva deal for $333 million of OUR money .... :)
I notice that my criticism of your sick, vile, evil and disgusting reference to the victims of the London bombings was simply deleted. For someone seemingly so pissed off with the DI team for not releasing every iota of science data within days - you are quick to silence anything that doesnt fit YOUR scheme of things.
Not only are you a vile and sick individual - you're also a two faces fraudster. I think that's a full house.
Anonymous,
Your selection of a "name" says it all.
You obviously don't have the courage to make your accusations under a REAL identity ... so you hide behind empty epithets which lack any content -- underscoring the ultimate lack of validity to your repeated "message."
For your "enlightenment": your original "objections" to my characterization of the victims of the latest London tragedy as "clueless" was dealt with earlier, in a far more civilized objection, by an actual British citizen in London ... who had the simple courage to use his REAL name, Stuart.
I answered him in a similar, civilized fashion -- explaining at some length that, in my opinion, WE ARE ALL "clueless" as to the REAL reasons for this current, highly manipulated global "reign of madness." And until we educate ourselves as to the REAL forces underlying this all-too-historically-familiar-situation, we shall REMAIN "clueless."
Your own tiresome tirades provide ample evidence that you are doing your level best to live up to my unfortunate characterization ... as an obviously unstable, truly clueless individual -- who is clearly unable to grapple rationally with the new "realities" we are ALL trying to confront in our own ways ....
Hmmm, it seems jp is not the only one with a 'lisp' around here Richard.
'Archtypal'?
:)
Anonymous,
>I agree that this proves an exploded planet theory is now even more possible. Hey, what if the name of the planet was Alderaan?
>Star Wars wasn't really in a galaxy far far away was it? And Nasa knows this!! It's a big cover up!<
Star Wars was, of course, written by George Lucas -- based on extensive discussions and study with the great historian/mythologist Joseph Campbell. It's archetypal in its "message" ... and its references to ancient history on THIS planet--
Or--
Campbell knew some REALLY "ancient history" that is NOT so widely known elsewere ... and George simply "adapted" that to "a galaxy far, far away" ... when, in fact, it took place a LOT closer to home! :)
The Deep Impact data has definitely pushed us in this remarkable direction ....
Its funny how NASA and JPL can hit a commet 38 mil miles away, but, when it comes to the space shuttle its like a old 1964 Ford pickup.
I think the officaial word on the launch delay was "shucks"
NASA IS A MESS!!!!!
RCH can attest to that.
As far as the continued hush hush on the data from the deep impact mission. I still think although the web site got over a billion hits on july 4, it was meant just a select audiance.
the USAF.
JP,
I think you meant "a comet 83 million miles away ...." :)
And, about NASA: truer words were never spoken ... unless you seriously begin to think about the "S" word -- SABOTAGE.
Do you think Sabotage, or, purposeful shutdown.
I think they want to distract from the deep impact data, but I don't think its so much hiding data as it is buying time.
It all seems very clumsy, poor acting.
JP,
>Do you think Sabotage, or, purposeful shutdown.
>I think they want to distract from the deep impact data, but I don't think its so much hiding data as it is buying time.
>It all seems very clumsy, poor acting.<
It looks like sabatoge to me -- an "on again/off again" electrical anomaly, which can shut down an entire shuttle mission ON COMMAND ... but which a LOT of honest NASA engineers cannot seem to find ....
Quite "convenient."
As to its being done to "cover" the Deep Impact yawning silence: I don't think so. I think this is a separate "fight" within NASA. Remember our "model" of two, competing groups in NASA ... with opposite agendas.
As to your characterization of the deep Impact crowd's reactions as "clumsy ... poor acting": I agree. That's the ONLY part of this whole affair which seems real: they being tongue-tied over something which has OBVIOUSLY stunned them ... and having NO PLAN in place to deal with this eventuality.
Gosh ... "honesty through silence." What a refreshing change in NASA's "we know EVERYTHING" demeanor .... :)
DC SHUTTING DOWN RECENTLY DUE TO PEOPLE BEING SCARED IS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD MAKE FUN OFF NOR WOULD I TRIVILIZE IT.
PEOPLE ARE PARANOID RIGHT NOW DUE TO MANY REASONS THAT EACH OF US HOLD DEEP INSIDE OF OUR OWN MINDS, WE ALL HAVE FEARS, WE ALL HAVE INCLINATIONS TOWARD CONSPIRITOUS THOUGTS, THE FACT IS THOUGH THAT WHILE MANY TIMES NOTHING IS REALLY THERE, AND NOTHING WILL HAPPEN MOST OF THE TIMES, SOMETIMES SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, AND SOMETIMES THINGS REALLY ARE HIDDEN, AND MOST TIMES WE HAVE GOOD REASONS FOR THE WAY WE FEEL.
THERE IS NOT ONE PERSON WHO IS READING THIS BLOG MESSAGE OR ANY OTHER AS FAR AS THAT GOES THAT IS NOT PARANOID ABOUT SOMETHING,
MYSELF INCLUDED!
I MYSELF THINK THE ILLUMINATIES ARE THE GOD SUPPOSED TO BE'S FROM ANCIENT TIMES, EN-KIL, MURDOCK ECT......
WE DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG THESE ALIENS ACTUALLY LIVED FOR SO THERE THAT IS MY PARANOIA,
NOW THAT BEING SAID , THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE COULD SPEAK ABOUT WITH SUCH THOUGHTS IN MIND, WE ALL KNOW THAT 911 HAPPENED, AND WE ALL KNOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AGAIN, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS ACTED WITH ITS FEAR AND CREATED THE PATRIOT ACT WHICH IS TAKING OUR LIBERTIES AWAY.
LONDON IS CLOSING THEIR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM DOWN AND MANY WILL WAIT A LONG TIME BEFORE RIDING THE SUBWAY AGAIN THERE.
THEY HAVE GOOD REASON FOR THAT DO THEY NOT?
RICHARD SEE'S HIDDEN AGENDA'S IN MOVIES THAT ARE PURLY FOR ENTERTAINMENT, BUT AGAIN HE HAS GOOD REASON SINCE WE ALL KNOW THEE IS A FACE ON MARS, THERE WAS ( AND MAY STILL BE ) LIFE ON MARS AND HIS PICTURES OF CEDONIA ARE AMAZING, BUT THE MOVIE IS STILL JUST A MOVIE.
IAPITUS DOES LOOK ARTIFICIAL THOUGH AND I AGREE WITH HIM ON THAT, I THINK MAN CAME FROM ANOTHER PLANET ALTHOUGH I DO NOT THINK IT WAS MARS ORIGINALLY, I THINK IT WAS THE PLANET THAT NOW CONSTITUTES THE ASTEROID BELT.
MARS I THINK WAS A COLONY THAT FAILED DUE TO SOME INCIDENT THAT KILLED ALL PEOPLE ON IT.
BUT GETTING BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND, WE ALL KNOW THERE WILL BE MORE ATTACKS ON AMERICA WHEN THEY ARE READY TO DO SO,
OUR GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO STOP THE ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS FROM CROSSING THE BORDER AND THIS ALLOWS OUR ENIMIES IN JUST AS MUCH AS IT ALLOWS THE ONES SIMPLY LOOKING FOR WORK AND A BETTER LIFE.
WE CAN ALL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BY WRITING OUR CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN AND TELLING THEM THAT THEY WORK FOR US AND WE WANT THE BORDERS PROTECTED NOW.
AND WE THEN NEED TO QUITE MAKING FUN OF OTHERS FEARS, WE ALL HAVE GOOD REASON TO FEAR TERRORISM, THEY WANT TO KILL ALL NON-ISLAMIST AND THAT IS THAT, IT IS NOT BECAUSE WE ARE A FREE COUNTRYM NOR IS IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET EVEN WITH US.
READ YOUR HISTORY PEOPLE , THE MUSLIMS HAD THE CRUSADES FIRST THAT KILLED MILLIONS IN THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE WORLD AND ISLAMIC WORLD BEFORE, THEY MADE IT INTO SPAIN BEFORE THE WEST, BEGAN THE CRUSADE TO STOP THEM AND FREE THE LANDS THEY HAD ALREADY TAKEN AND THE CHRISTIANS DROVE THEM BACK INTO THE HEART OF THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE STOPPING.
NEITHER SIDE WAS INNOCENT OF ATTROCITIES IN THOSE WARS, BUT LETS PUT THE REAL FACE ON IT AND NOT BLAME THE WEST FOR STARTING SOMETHING THEY DID NOT START.
THANK YOU TO ALL AND MAY YOUR FEARS NOT COME TO LIGHT.
Richard,
Great Tribute to Scotty, You always have/find the right words :) ....That's not always an easy task ! Good Job!
Mark,
>Great Tribute to Scotty, You always have/find the right words :) ....That's not always an easy task ! Good Job!<
Thanks. It's pretty easy when you know the guy ... and BELIEVE what he stood for!
Now, I have one for you: why is this NOT in the "Scotty" thread ...? :)
Richard,
Because this whole Blog thing is still new to me ....I'm still thumbing my way around !! BUT,
I'm really looking forward to your Friday show on Coast to Coast AM....I have a funny feeling you have some cards up your sleeve or should I say "surprises"!!
Mark,
>I'm really looking forward to your Friday show on Coast to Coast AM....I have a funny feeling you have some cards up your sleeve or should I say "surprises"!! <
Now ... what would make you think THAT? :)
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