Deep Impact ... Deafening Silence -- UPDATED - 7/7/2005

In these same four days, several of the the ground-based institutions participating in the world-wide Tempel 1 observing network, created by NASA to assist in this unprecedented interplanetary Mission, have begun to "check in" with different (and obviously far more distant) images.
These range from one particularly striking color time-exposure (below) -- taken by one of the European Southern Observatory's 8.2-meter Very Large Telescopes in Chile -- showing a new fan-shaped spray of debris stretching out tens of thousands miles, liberated from Tempel 1's interior in the hours immediately after the hypervelocity impact--

To a set of revealing "before" and "after" comparison shots from the Hubble Space Telescope itself (below).

However, singularly missing from this "trickle" of post-impact data (curiously, it's not really a "flood," even after several days ... and despite all the pre-impact hype about "the astronomical importance of this event") ... is any corresponding (and far more critical) post-impact spectra of this "major celestial collision."
With the exception of one mid-infrared scan just posted to the ESO Website (below) -- which is significantly missing any accompanying (critical) element or molecular identifications--

[BULLETIN: within minutes of the posting of this blog last night, this major link to the ONLY published post-impact Tempel 1 spectrum was suddenly withdrawn!! This morning (7/7/2005) , just as mysteriously, the spectrum was RETURNED!]
There has been (so far) a complete and fascinating lack of any "independent," non-NASA, detailed post-impact spectral observations of Tempel 1 -- published by any of the dozens of professional observatories and hundreds of astronomers participating in this world-wide observation program re Tempel 1!
As to official NASA spectra of this same "critical" Event: they too have been (even more mysteriously ...) also completely non-existent--
NASA itself, in the days just before the Deep Impact climax, deliberately fanned wide-spread public interest and expectation of "rapid answers to these age-old questions ...." to be contained within these measurements: the headline on the official Deep Impact Website (below) still shouts:
"Your First Look Inside a Comet!"

Which is, of course, just a tad misleading ... without the curiously missing spectral data to accompany it!
Anyone with any degree of scientific or astronomical sophistication knows that just "looking" at a picture (like the one above) essentially tells you NOTHING about what is really going on inside such a celestial object; that, the REAL story in that headline is the promise of specific compositional and physical details, from those long-anticipated spacecraft spectra, of that spectacular flash ... and what came out from the interior immediately afterward.
So -- where are those essential spectra??!!
The only semi-numerical data on the composition of Tempel 1, post-impact, comes from a single ESA spacecraft -- the XMM Newton X-Ray Telescope -- with the publication of a set of six narrow-band blue and UV images from its "Optical Monitor" (below).

Looking at the hydroxyl emissions from Tempel 1 post-impact (lower UV images), the spacecraft recorded a brightening of this molecular fragment (OH) -- interpreted by the ESA caption writer as "the direct decay product of water."
In fact, this is NOT confirmation of significant amounts of water being released from Tempel 1 by Deep Impact. Many other complex, rocky minerals (and even organic molecular compounds), once released by the Impactor and excited by exposure to the sun's raw ultraviolet light, could also yield "OH radicals."
There is also something called "interstitial water" or "water of crystallization" -- which is water literally trapped in rocky compounds between the mineral crystals which, heated to high temperatures (like those associated with the Deep Impact collision), will immediately release this water into space. Certain classes of carbonaceous meteorites which fall to Earth, and their parent asteroids, when measured by remote sensing instruments have been found to contain up to 20% of such "interstitial water" by weight!
So, the OH that the ESA Newton satellite has recorded could easily have come from the "baking out" of such interstitial water from a "carbonaceous object" -- if Tempel 1 is, in fact, a fragment of former exploded planetary crustal material ... and not a traditional "comet." To properly assess where this specific OH came from, a complete spectrum from the comet will be necessary ... which is precisely what JPL (and it's collaborators) are still NOT publishing.
The special JPL Web page (below) -- specifically set up to report on such exciting post-impact spectral observations -- for four days now, has remained exactly as it was BEFORE Impact ... with only one pre-impact spectrum still displayed ....

By sharp contrast, on the optical "front" ... as can be seen by the variety of amazing time-lapse movies created and released from the Deep Impact imagery by JPL in these same three days (below) ... there are stunning physical properties obviously contained within those first few seconds of data after Impact -- including, the potentially highly revealing chemical composition of that literally "white-hot, super-heated 'plume'" jetting outward into space from deep inside the comet.
It's precisely that type of critical information which the Deep Impact on-board instruments were designed to acquire, in the chaotic seconds immediately after Impact, which by now should have been sent home to JPL ... in terms of "plasma temperatures," "exit pressures," and, most importantly, "the specific kinds of atoms and molecules" making up that amazing white-hot jet ....
So -- where is this vital information!? And why -- in the face of obvious keen public interest in these results (representatives from NASA Headquarters at the press conferences bragged that their "web hits" for this Mission had exceeded all previous records ...) would NASA (apparently) be deliberately withholding it ... and after more than 90 hours post-Impact?
As someone here commented earlier (I'd credit them properly, but they obviously wish to remain "anonymous" ... I guess, because they fear that NASA will come after them ...):
"They must be shocked about something ...."
So, what could have so "shocked" the legion of professional astronomers and planetary science folks -- both on the Deep Space Mission, as well as at all the "independent observatories" all around the world -- as to have them ALL apparently tongue-tied regarding simply publishing these most exciting Deep Impact spectra on the Internet ... even without comment ... for the rest of us to see ...?
What indeed?
You don't suppose that -- instead of "a gush of water vapor and a host of frozen carbon compounds," like they expected to see -- the actual composition of that amazing plume (and the resulting dust cloud it created, now so visible even from Earth ... over 80 million miles away) contained complex rocky materials (and even pure metals) no one in their right mind EVER expected to see jetting outward from deep inside a "frozen ball of ice!?"

Materials SO alien to all these professional NASA expectations, so impossible now to coninue "spinning" in support of the "dirty snowball" model ... that they're simply trying desperately to find some way -- any way! -- to avoid the simple statement ... with all its implications ....
"We were wrong!"
Stay tuned ....
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81 Comments:
So has NASA ever released all their data on anything? I can't remember them ever doing it. What would the implications be other than having to admit they were wrong about their dirty snowball theory? I have my own ideas, but would rather hear yours and others.
Lesley,
That's an excellent question.
However, the critical detail here is "have they ever withheld a specific piece of evidence ... which they'd previously emphasized to the entire world was CENTRAL to their argument?"
And, the answer to that question is: "no."
So ... to be so blatant, when EVERYONE is watching (because NASA itself told them to do so), "someone" must be getting pretty "desperate."
This is getting wonderfully strange ....
Indeed Richard, it is getting stranger by the minute....it is like kids hiding under their bed or in the closet because they know they did something wrong and mommy and daddy will not be happy when they find out.
I followed all their missions for years and years.....never have they been so silent, never so candid.
3 whole days....not reporting about one of their most significant missions (they said themselves), having had a "succesful" impact...why not milk it, NASA needs it more than ever!
I mean, they are still updating the rover missions but something this recent is too much to ask.
There is so much to discuss here but I first will wait and see what happens.
ps: I am the "anonymous" you talked about, but I just didn't realise I could type in a name 8)
I suppose the implications would be great indeed....NASA may have built the proverbial house of cards over many decades that now even one small admitance of error would be a disaster.
However, given the importance of this project, I would bet that "someone" in NASA, JPL, etc. would endeavour to inadvertenly "leak" some information to Richard and Co.
Parallax,
And they have. Wait til you see ... :)
Richard,
Thanks so very much for the BLOG. You are a voice in the wilderness though some times it is a long while between posts. I am looking forward to much more frequent correspondence. Keep up the great work, NASA on the other hand is very telling by their silence. "nothing new to report"? PLEASE!!!
Hi Richard,
I just read an article saying that we may NOT be getting a look at the crater after all because of the debris cloud and by the time it clears, it may be too late. (huh?) I believe the article is on Google News.
--Chaz
Mr. Hoagland, maybe the spectra analysis of the materials expelled after impact by the comet reveal chemical components that are “not supposed to be there” (maybe in support of the panspermia theory?). Maybe that’s one of the reasons why they haven’t said anything about it yet.
It is also possible that the composition of the comet is so “bizarre” or different from NASA proposed models that it’s better to just keep shut and not say anything about it, because it would mean MANY other things would have to be changed as well …
Jon
PD:
In response to Bethany; psychologically, the interpretations humans can do of such events are subject to many things. For instances, we know the sun is going to grow into a red star and eventually all life on this Earth will come to an end.
But we have assumed that’s not going to happen anytime soon. Every person I have asked about this idea, know this is not to happen in the near future.
The possibility of a planet blowing up seems rather more challenging, because we don’t know much about how that happens, or which model stands correct. All we have so far are hypothesis … that and a scary record of extinction events happening more than once (asteroids, comets?).
I believe this “Deep Impact” mission is also a trial for future “comet/asteroid/space-object-deflecting/destroying technology.
First heard you in 94, On art bell, merely pausing to consider what you were talking about altered my consciousness considerably. An honor to communicate with a fellow homoplasmate, (to exchange in real time is very rare).
I have viewed and saved every single Spirit rover Nav Cam, (the camera that takes wide field photos of everything) photos for the last year, (Thought I was only signing up for three months ;), The wondrous relics, the amazing artifacts, but its not that they are not showing the people these things, it is that the people cannot see them, kind of sad.
Thank you for opening up this new channel of communication. Regards, Gerald
If you like what Philip K Dick was onto in the last years of his life, take a look at my blog;
http://fleeting-improvised-man.blogspot.com/
Leaks? No fair, tell us now. :)
Maybe I'm out of the loop, but this doesn't seem much different from the Huygens landing. Lots of hype, a few pictures (the best of which were processed by outsiders), and no follow through.
I hate to seem impatient, but provided theres nothing to hide, they could just trickle the data out, we did pay for it after all.
Now about those leaks...
Chaz,
This all happened within about 13 minutes of the actual Impact/fly-by three (oops, now four ...) days ago! The data was safely recorded on the fly-by spacecraft as it flew within about 300 miles of Tempel 1, then relayed to Earth by radio over the next 24 hours as the fly-by spacecraft floated farther and farther away from the comet.
That crucial data -- including the spectral information I think essential to solving this whole puzzle -- is safely on the ground at JPL by now. :)
They've had essentially three days -- with no one looking over their shoulders -- to examine ALL this data ....
So, why am I NOT surprised they're now claiming they "can't see the impact crater through the dust ...?
Because, the (relatively small) size of the predicted Deep Impact crater is a key part of Tom Van Flandern's entire EPH model!! :)
To Jon: my point of the new blog exactly. They may have found materials SO bizarre in that super-heated jet ... that they will try almost ANYTHING, to desperately hide the real compositional results!
It's up to us to make sure they ultimately CAN'T get away with it this time! :)
Gerald t,
I think you defintely have put your finger on a BIG problem: for some reason, a lot of folks simply can't seem to see what a lot of others find obvious. Someday, there will be a whole bunch of Ph.D theses in that .... :)
Metric: the "leaks" are corroborating something pretty amazing we're working on, that need a LOT of documentation to confirm. Which we'll publish when it's ready, probably in a couple days (remember, it was Orson Welles who solemnly intoned on TV many years ago, "Make no wine ... before its time." :)
Oh, for crying out loud people, go here http://spacenews.dancebeat.info/article.php/xmm-newton_detects_water_tempel_1
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's some sort of conspiracy... sigh
Jeez, some folks will believe ANYTHING
If they have found something totally out of the ordinary of what they expected does anyone think we will ever know about it? Don't they have ways to hide such things?
Eddie,
The ESA Newton observations that you cite are NOT an actual Tempel 1 spectrum! They're presented as ONE narrow-band false-color IMAGE -- which is "interpreted" by the ESA caption writer as "evidence of water."
And, what of all the other elements/molecules which should be present in a REAL spectrum of the comet (as we know, from many previous comet spectral observations, both from Earth and from other space missions)?
It's NOT my contention that Tempel 1 "doesn't contain water," but that it might also possess a lot of OTHER elements/molecules ... which would not comport with the so-called "standard comet model." Without an actual, carefully annotated SPECTRUM -- and from a variety of independent observatory sources -- the entire question tonight of what Tempel 1 is composed of -- INSIDE -- is increasingly mysterious ....
Because -- despite spending $333 million dollars of PUBLIC money on this NASA Mission -- at "three days and counting" ... we still have NO NASA spectral data!
And, there are NO calibrated comparisons in this one Newton image by which other scientists can evaluate the claim re the AMOUNT of water represented by this graphic; is it a little ... or is it a lot, compared to what was detected there before (which was actually very little ...)?
And, as I updated my blog a few minutes ago, the one actual bonafide mid-IR post-impact Tempel 1 spectrum, presented by the European Southern Observatory earlier today -- shortly after our posting of it here -- was SUDDENLY WITHDRAWN from the web, even though it was NOT annotated with respect to actual elements/molecules, or even wavelengths!!
Why? Have we "struck a nerve" with someone over this, extremely simple question ...?
Stay tuned. :)
I'd like to point you to something you didn't wrote any comment about so far:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/cassini-051005.html
Now, my theory of Tempel-1 being nothing more than a cargo spaceship of some kind (I posted that as an anonymous on your blog here), or something like that, should be way more possible from what it can be seen. Also, heavy censorship on both visual and not visual data has to be taken into account. On the lame "high resolution" NASA/JPL claimed images (yep..sure.. 50KB JPEGs ..way worse than the worst cheap chinese CCD or CMOS based digital camera on a cheap cell phone... think about this...) it's still possible to see some anomalous features there, under the mimic effect of complex digital censorship applied on a copy of original hidden high-res data. And about Tempel-1 there are some features left there that show similarities with what you see on Iapetus... What you think it's the results of some nukes blasted on it or some accidents happened there I just think that it's the result of digital censorship on those visual data images as well, Iapetus it's highly likely to be an active spaceship and far from a dead one... as much as Tempel-1 really is.. Which doesn't mean that alien lifeforms must be there, everything could be automated by some mimic-lifeforms, what we know as androids/robots concepts and such (which should be way more advanced considering how complex the technology to build that kind of gigantic spaceship has to be...)
About Tempel-1 heavy digital censorship going on (like it happens on any other visual and not visual data being released to the public), take a look here :
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA02138
The JPEG and TIFF file sizes are not true and if you try to download the JPEG you get a 6KBytes picture while the TIFF it's at 60KBytes approx.
As it usually happens on this official "scientific" data.... where are the real Full-Resolution high-quality pictures ? As usual, they are not available to the public and when it happens that a so called RAW and or Full-Res TIFF or other supposed to be original High-Res data is made available on web pages like that one, they just don't contain any high-frequency details more that the same low-resolution JPEG image of it, which once again shows heavy censorship going on. On other pictures you can see fake high-frequency details being added to the images by the censoring programs to mimic supposed-to-be-there details and to hide real features and high-frequency details that would reveal alien technology of some kind and other anomalous things... but fortunately sometimes those censoring programs fail to be 100% perfect and some details can be seen left in the image, although never enough to show the general public the truth without trying to point to what's hidden behind the mimic effect applied there...
I was thinking this before I even read this blog, I have been eagerly checking back on the Nasa website since the impact, and so far nothing!?! The silence IS deafening even if they could'nt see because of the cloud of gases or whatever you think they would at least say something, I guess it takes them a few days to alter the TIFF's and come up with alternate excuses...when will this BS ever end its so frustrating...
The ones actually hiding vital information about the truth of what is really going both in space and on our planet surely have practically almost unlimited resources and expertise that altering original RAW data it's probably not even done by humans but by AI-driven secret high-end computer networks hidden inside some mountains or buildings and connected at ultra high-speed thanks to fiber-optics or even better technology. Keep in mind that xDSL technology many of you use to connect to the Internet existed many years before and it was used by militaries and secret services while you had University scientists and technicians writing books telling that the copper-wire was ancient and dead without switching to a fiber-optics network it couldn't have been possible to go anywhere beyond the 4KHz barrier used by common PSTN lines. Tons of official books and theories were written and people studying that it wasn't possible to deliver high-bandwidth transmission on common phone cables and V.90 56Kbps would have been the last possible speed.
Then it happened, the xDSL was made public and disclosed and all of a sudden it became like something obvious and everyone practically didn't remember that just a short time before it was said that no more than 4KHz signals could have been transferred on ancient copper wire phone cables....
Richard,
I know we're talking about Deep Impact here, but I wanted to slip in a comment about Iapetus...
It really surprises me that you compare the recent Iapetus discoveries to Clarke's 2001, but not to his short story Jupiter Five. Read that one, then you'll really ask "what did Arthur know, and when did he know it"!
Anyway, about Deep Impact, can't the size and shape of the plume tell us something about the composition? After all, a soft icy body would break up differently than a big rock...
Have any data regarding the comet's new trajectory been made available? Maybe we could deduce composition by looking at how the impact altered the orbit of Temple 1...
Is there anything we can deduce through the brightness or color of the explosion or plume? Different substances would have different levels of reflectivity...
Just throwing some ideas out there that might shed at least a little light on the composition of Temple 1. It might not be what we really want, but can it get us part way?
You mention that Phd's will one day be written
about those who can 'see' and 'not see'...
Are you aware of our sociological situation ?
I think a lot of people who tend to get
'cosmic' and maybe get into difficulties
because of that, have been medicated by the
psychiatric industry into the unreal ! There realy is a bad
misunderstanding about where we're at
regarding our current 'evolution' (whatever
that means!) into space.
I can see the 2001 shots of the Face as a
kind of Buddhist Religous Iconography of the
most powerfull kind, of a kind, I actually
think is WAY outside most peoples remit:
thats why they can't see it !
Are you surpised then when NASA has a probem
with this kind of thing ? :-)
Barney
Richard:
With all the years of sci-fi movies, television, books, etc., why are we being prepared for something? Aren't we collectively already conditioned to accept ET contact or non traditional science discoveries? In other words aren't we already there in our collective thinking? You and others have helped to show us the activity "behind the curtain" -- thanks for the insight.
Aredo,
Your comments are quite perceptive.
However, we live in a society which has taken the late Carl Sagan's gratuitous "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence ..." to absurd lengths. If these criteria were routinely applied in other sectors of our society -- say, Judith Miller's totally bizarre jailing yesterday, for simply exercising as a journalist the First Amendment of the Constitution (which will be the sole subject of a separate blog ...) -- not only her, but no one would EVER be convicted of a crime again!
So, we must assemble robust evidence for any new scientific models, before we publish. All I can say at this point is ... stay tuned. :)
Fusion Knight: the striking similarity has also NOT escaped me. Just be patient, until you see Part 7 .... :)
Barney: that's why there are movies ... and folks like Steven Spielberg: to assist those who CANNOT see ... to see, under the guise of "entertainment." Go back and re-read the Brookings' recommendations from 1959 .... :)
NASA is usually very quick to come out with information like this because they are very much like a business. (Public support and enthusiasm means money for them.) So I think that either a.) something so amazing has taken place, that they need to completely verify it before saying what it is (or possibly cover it up), or b.) something so boring happened that people would question why we spent the money on it. I would bet 'a'. Very strange....
~/Jason
Jason,
I agree with "A." :)
And, there will be a new blog on this (with some specific new data) shortly.
But ... isn't this SCIENCE? ... to discover new and, most excitingly, unexpected evidence that leads the future of knowledge into entirely new directions? If NASA is hiding/altering/lying about new discoveries ... well, that is what religion has been maligned for doing, and, last time I checked, it is precisely what scientists despise about religion. If they so badly want to maintain the status quo and "hide what they know," then what is the point of exploring and making new discoveries? What is the point of being a scientist at all? Let's just hire the guys and gals who work at NASA directly from seminary and forget the pretense.
Richard, I love your postulations about Iapetus, but leaping to the conclusion that they don't want to release anything because it proves that Van Flandern is right and not them is what fiction writers are for. These are not children who petutantly have to be right even when all evidence points to the contrary. What would be the point?
Bethany
Anguilla, British West Indies
P.S. I am curious and eager to know what information has been leaked to you. What do you now know that we need to know? I can be persuaded -- some of us simply need well-supported arguments. ; )
Bethany,
And you'll get those arguments -- in due time. Just making double-sure our "leaks" are NOT disinformation, designed to set us up .... :)
As for scientists being scientists: in this culture, that stopped a LONG, LONG time ago. Sorry to be the one to break the news.
Richard, now that NASA knows you are on to them in that they are attempting to deceive us, do you think they might leak the truth to throw us off the trail?
Is the hypothesis that a comet is not a snowflake somehow threatening to NASA? If so, was NASA devastated to find the moon was not made of cheese and that Mars didn't have little red men? When it comes right down to it, how do we even know that this really happened? That comet looked an awful lot like an Idaho potato to me. The whole scenario might have been the vlogcast of a disgruntled McDonald's employee. Things aren't always what they appear. Don't take my word for it, look at MIT's illusion site: http://web.mit.edu/persci/gaz/gaz-teaching/index.html.
Richard,
I will have to confront my husband's son -- a world-acclaimed scientist at Cornell who is published in the most prestigious journal in his field -- about scientists not actually being scientists.
His discoveries have been publicized in NYT, Washington Post, BBC, CBC, Discovery Channel, and a myriad of other recipients of the major newswire feeds. Just as you were sorry to break the news to me, I am devasted to be the one to break the news to him that real scientists ceased to exist decades ago. I fear for his psychic health for he has invested so many years on this empty path. Perhaps when he sees the light -- or that there is no light -- he can apply for a job at NASA on the theory that if you can't beat them....
Kaliki: you are far too cynical. Your subtle sarcasm undermines the seriousness of the devastation that mankind would endure if this grand deception is perpetrated. RCH, like other genuine heroes of our generation, has the courage to vocalize his skepticism about what the establishment would force feed us. I wonder if you are showing the respect that RCH deserves. Someday in hindsight the recorded discussion on this blog may turn out to be the lighted path through the fog of disinformation.
Bethanyr,
Obviously, you've taken my somewhat flip comments literally ... and adding a wry twist of your own. I apologize for assuming you were being ironic in your earlier posts, and for not answering you more seriously ... and with supporting evidence for my position.
Of course, there are real scientists among us. And, the overwhelming majority are usually quite free to pursue and publish in a wide variety of fields ... UNTIL ... their scientific curiosity and their persuit of scientific truth comes into direct conflict with a little detail called "national security."
At which point, their academic freedom abruptly ends ... and the outright censorship begins.
May I inquire as to your son's field of speciality, and the subject of his papers? Since he obviously (by your report) DOESN'T work for NASA (or, I would assume for the "DOD," "CIA," or any of the dozens of other "alphabet agencies" now in Washington), it seems his personal quest for scientific truth has NOT yet been compromised by "managers" whose priorities are very, very different from his own.
Some years ago, as I was pursuing the (to me, then inexplicable) reasons for NASA's increasingly bizarre behavior vis a vis our straightforward research on Mars, I met Dr. Stan McDaniel, the then Chairman of the Department of Philosophy of Sonoma State University, in Sonoma, California. What was of great interest to me at the time, McDaniel had decided to begin an independent research project into the "why" of NASA's increasingly obvious recalcitrance to simply investigate the Martian anomalies we'd found.
Eventually, Dr. McDaniel wound up writing a 174-page, heavily footnoted document -- "The McDaniel Report: On the Failure of Executive, Congressional, and Scientific Responsibility in Investigating Possible Evidence of Artificial Structures on the Surface of Mars and in Setting Mission Priorities for NASA's Mars Exploration Program" [McDaniel, Stanley V., North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA (1993)].
The document was hand-delivered to NASA Headquarters on the literal eve of the culmination of a major NASA mission, forthrightly accusing the Space Agency (with specific evidence), among other things, of "being about to commit possibly the greatest crime against science in the history of science ...." in its proposed data handling of the Mars Observer Mission.
Remarkably, a day or two after McDaniel's scathing criticism of NASA's impending conduct, NASA suddenly announced that it had "lost" the entire Mars Observer Mission!!
Even prior to this amazing "coincidence," McDaniel described the (to him) almost unbelievable scientific situation he'd discovered inside the Space Agency in the months before:
"... as my study of the work done by the independent investigators and NASA’s response to their research continued, I became aware not only of the relatively high quality of the independent research, but also the glaring mistakes in the arguments used by NASA to reject this research. With each new NASA document I encountered, I became more and more appalled by the impossibly bad quality of the reasoning used. It grew more and more difficult to believe that educated scientists could engage in such faulty reasoning unless they were following some sort of hidden agenda aimed at suppressing the true nature of the data.”
-- Stanley V. McDaniel, Professor Emeritus and
Former Chairman, Department of Philosophy,
Sonoma State University
My point, Bethanyr, is that other, extremely well-credentialed academics who have actually studied this extraordinary "space agency" problem, and with no prior involvement or invested interest, have come to the same sad conclusion that I have after doing this for over twenty years: that, shockingly, scientists inside NASA are NOT ALLOWED to function as "real scientists!"
The reasons we may freely debate, but the facts re NASA's curious treatment of "science" -- as researched and published by a world-class chairman of a university philosophy department, and an expert in scientific epistomology -- are on record.
So, do I have serious reason to believe that NASA is withholding Deep Impact evidence tonight that would contradict its "preferred" cometary model? Absolutely. And, it's based not only on my own, direct experience with the Space Agency ... but on the careful research of an esteemed figure in the scientific community -- who, as you can tell by his own wording, was shocked by what he found ....
All governments lie. We've come to expect that, up to and including our own. The recent case of the mythical "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, and the President's (now proven to be false) State of the Union statements vis a vis Iraq's "persuit of yellowcake" to make a nuclear bomb, are but two well-known, recent examples.
What is not so well known (in fact, what is not known at all -- outside of a small circle of those of us directly involved) is that NASA is NOT a "civilian space agency!" It is, by law (and is so listed in its Charter -- available on Enterprise), a secret part of the Department of Defense! As such, any of its discoveries impinging on "national security" are NOT under NASA's control ... but are ultimately decided by the vast and tangled "national security apparatus" of the United States ... culminating with the President himself (again, this is IN the actual Congressionally-enacted NASA Charter ... on Enterprise).
That being the LAW, of course any aspects of "Deep Impact" which are deemed (by someone ...) directly related to NATIONAL SECURITY (like, "planets CAN explode" ... or, "ancient high-technological civilizations once existed in the solar system") will be -- as a MATTER OF POLICY -- kept SECRET.
And it is that outright violation of real science -- in an Agency thought by almost everyone to be the epitome of "science" -- that we are fighting to reveal ... and rectify.
I hope I have now seriously addressed at least some of your previous questions. There is, unfortunately, more -- but we'll save that for another time .... :)
Mr.Hoagland, regarding the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq I don't think that it was a lie there BUT that two things happened: 1) Terrorist groups and nearby countries managed to move those weapons outside of Iraq even thanks to some spies inside secret agencies actually working for the enemy; 2) What was found couldn't be revealed to the public because Saddam Hussein managed to get some alien technology and UFOs stored inside tunnels and hidden hangars below towns and the desert.
Just think about the fact that's relatively well known that Hitler and the Nazi actually had access to alien technology and stored UFOs and such in some of their super secret bases. When WorldWar II ended with the demise of Hitler and the Nazi group all those super-secret technology that conspiracy groups behind of public government don't want to reveal simply "disappeared" and got used by the US and the UK to design better weapons and aircraft first and similar spaceships later on...
Mr. Hoagland :-)
Thanks for your last answer...I'll look at
Brookings again !
I seem to be on a mission to get some kind
of 'message' through to you...hope I don't
end up bugging you....but it seems important
in light of the above...
You mention not wanting to be 'set-up' with
false information....I assume you mean like
what happened with the multi-spectral
THEMIS cydonia data ?
You may remember me posting a message to
you on a certain newsgroup "urgent message
for the Captain" about using the term
"H-Bomb" in relation to the THEMIS data.
This set off alarm bells with me, and I hope
you wo'nt mind me being candid...
You have a large ego ! Nothing wrong with that. And it
probably was an "H-Bomb", but I could see
the (sociological, as I see it) situation
running away with it's self...I think you
many be mis-understanding the sociological
context of discoveries that leads to
problems.
Would you say you have learnt from these
experiences ? Maybe you already know what
I'm saying....maybe you disagree ?
Barney
Mr. Hoagland,
This is certainly off the subject, but I thought this might interest you:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=16967
Download the picture, and zoom in on the eye. I can make out a hexagon in the eye walls.
Ever since you posted the article on hyperdimensional hurricanes I've been trying to inspect as many hi-res photos as I can, and there certainly seems to be a pattern...
Thoughts?
I'm glad Richard finally has a blog because there have been so many times in my readings of things on the Enterprise Mission site where I've wanted to ask, yes but what about this, what about that? And I couldn't.
Now I can.
Greetings Richard! I find it odd that so little is ever referenced to Zacharia Sitchen's work in his book the 12th Planet from about 1977 where they translated the story of Tiamat and Marduk, re:exploding planets or at least large scale impact cleving, as well as the bigger story of old Mars and Nibiru. I understood he was involved later with NASA or at least the Presidential Council. For all the fluff that goes around, nothing of that very academic piece of work ever got shot down or negated. Just silence around it. I only speak of it here because I feel you are helping well beyond that, to reveal the much bigger truth picture, currently before us now. Good courage, keep up the great work!
Did you see this:
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/deep_impact_gemini.html?772005
Gemini Sees Rocky Material on Tempel 1
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/deep_impact_gemini.html?772005
Summary - (Jul 7, 2005) As Deep Impact´s
impactor probe smashed into Comet
Tempel 1 this week, every available
observatory, on land and in space was
watching to help gather as much science
as possible from this $333 million
mission. The Gemini North telescope,
located on Hawaii´s Mauna Kea
successfully captured images, before
and after the collision that clearly
show the debris cloud moving off the
comet. They also found evidence that
rocky materials were exposed on the
comet´s surface.
False colour image of Tempel 1 taken by
Gemini North. Image credit: Gemini.
Click to enlarge.
http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/ut_geminimedium.jpg
The Gemini North telescope on Mauna Kea
successfully captured the dramatic
fireworks display produced by the
collision of NASA´s Deep Impact probe
with Comet 9P/Tempel 1. Researchers in
two control rooms on Hawaii’s Big Island
(on Mauna Kea and in Hilo) were able to
keep enough composure amid an almost
giddy excitement to perform a
preliminary analysis of the data. They
concluded from the mid-infrared
spectroscopic observations that there
was strong evidence for silicates or
rocky material exposed by the impact.
Little doubt remains that the
unprecedented quality of the Gemini
data will keep astronomers busy for
years.
“The properties of the mid-infrared
light were completely transformed after
impact,” said David Harker of the
University of San Diego,
co-investigator for the research team.
“In addition to brightening by a factor
of about 4, the characteristics of the
mid-infrared light was like a chameleon
and within five minutes of the collision
it looked like an entirely new object.”
Harker’s research partner Chick Woodward of the University of Minnesota
speculated further, “We are possibly
seeing crystalline silicates which
might even be similar to the beach sand
here in Hawaii! This data will keep us
busy trying to figure out the size and
composition of these grains to better
understand the similarities and
differences between the material
contained within comets and other bodies
in the solar system.”
In addition to the spectroscopic
observations, before-and-after images
were also obtained by the Gemini
telescope in thermal infrared light and
can be seen in Figure 1. Gemini
monitored the comet for several weeks
prior to the impact and will continue to
watch it through the end of July.
The Gemini observations were part of a
coordinated effort between the W.M.
Keck, Subaru and Gemini Observatories so
that each could concentrate on
different observations and provide a
complete, complementary “picture” of the
impact. Astronomers anticipate that the
data gathered from the largest and most
sophisticated set of telescopes
positioned to see the impact will add
considerably to our understanding of
comets as dynamic probes of our solar
system’s early evolution some 4.5-5
billion years ago.
The Gemini observations were made using
Michelle, the facility mid-infrared
imager/spectrograph built at the Royal
Observatory of Edinburgh (ROE) in the
UK. The instrument has unique
capabilities in the mid-infrared
especially at Gemini which uses
protected silver coatings on main
mirrors to provide exceptional
performance in the “thermal” or
mid-infrared part of the spectrum.
Original Source: Gemini Observatory News Release
"Crystalline silicates" .. this might be the key here... "Rocks" .. they might look like rocks but they might be something else.. What about a defensive shield made out of nanomachines-like entities if not true lifeforms based on silicon ?
What if the Impactor actually impacted on such a living silicon-based shield ? The entire Tempel-1 might be alive but I still think that the best bet is that is a cargo and that alien technology behind it uses lifeforms or nanomachines-like entities to build up their spacecrafts. Either it's alive or it's a mimic of life and actually a machine, with the shield made out of silicon as its/theirs base elements...
Alien lifeforms using biological based weapons and spaceships have been reported by quite many sci-fi writers over the years... I seriously think that it might be why the composition can't be disclosed and why conspiracy groups are going to use the "it's a rock and not ice" lie to fool the majority of the population worldwide to not see the truth once again and not even think about it...
Sir Richard,
Do you think that "they" are stalling with the data results from deep impact?
Just wondering.
Also, have you seen the new solar
"Electrical model" if not it is avalible in pdf at surfaceofthesun.com.
Thank you for this outlet.
I can NEVER get through on coast to coast. :)
Hey Cap: This is a nice setup you have here. like it alot. All it takes is one door open,which will allow others to follow. :) Its going to get over the mountain yet. It will become a done deal.
For anyone who wants the full spectrum of data that the government of NSA has in their possession now, and via JPL and Nasa, we need to gang up on them via emails to jpl and to the space science subcommittee in Washington Dc. I dont remember the exact address so just look it up in Google search. GRR8
Here is at least the contact email address for JPL's website http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/contact_JPL.cfm
Richard thx for this addition to the already excellent site.
Looking forward to be able to communicate with the community.
JP where can I find that pdf file on the electrical model? that domain doesn't work.
Sorry for this digression.
From The PIF's Short Dictionary of Environmental Language:
Scientist, n.
1. Person claiming scientific credentials, not necessarily in discipline of subject matter.
2. Useful idiot with gravitas.
syn. researcher, expert, authority.
3. Highly over-educated personages not noted for their use of common sense when approaching a problem.
4. Sometimes referred to as Scientician
a Term describing the political corruption of a scientist.
b Person working in the sciences willing to alter and/or ignore observations and research to conform to the political correct thinking or policy of any particular age.
Thanks so much for doing a blog! I've been following your articles for several years; they've always been very well done and lengthy, but spread far apart -- I get withdrawal after a while.
I sent feedback yesterday at Nasa's web site and got a brief reply already:
"Hi *****,
Thank you for your interest in the Deep Impact mission.
Patience! The data/images came quickly, but it will take time to do the analyses properly! When the
science team has something to post, it will get released on the website.
Clear Skies!
Elizabeth Warner
"
So maybe this is a good sign, but I'll believe it when I see the data. Interestingly, the reply from Elizabeth came from a university email address (which I left off this post so she won't get spam due to those web spiders or something).
Cal Tech is it? Keep buggin the space science subcommittee about this and also the Jpl Contact at the web address listed previously. Lets jam em and let them know we mean BUSINESS!!! ;{
Dear Dick,
You take crackpottery to a new level of awesome.
That's really all I wanted to say.
XOXO,
-Pete Dickley
Can I suggest that NASA wanted this to NOT be a snowball, so that old theory could
be "blown away." (pardon the pun.) They are trying to change general understanding,
they set up a big show to do just that. Probably had a script for news conferences
all planned. This is why the hype before the mission, they had a show to put on.
Political friends to win, etc.
What they found was a surprise, even to them...
The spectra was probably the same as, say a rock formed from under
the modern amazon jungle would have.
It's a chunk of a blown up planet, but with more than just metals,
so they can't blow away the snowball model without
going much further than they had planned.
They found something along the lines of living (or now dead, or now frozen)
complex organics, this is what is causing NASA and friends to choke. Not
just a part of a planet, but a part of what was a living, vegetated planet.
Also, important note, the timing of the impact, which has been important on other
NASA missions, especially Mars, was set to roughly match mean sunrise in Jerusalem,
don't know why, but it did.
Phil Stone
Phil,
Go to the head of the class .... :)
"When we practice to decive, if at first we don't succeed ... it only goes to show we need--
"More practice!"
Data supporting your hypothesis to follow ...
jan, The web site is,
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/
The pdf file is here and the articles.
sorry about the mistake.
But do check it out. Its something I have thought of for years but never heard any one talk about.
Hello Richard
Where is this yellow brick road leading us to?
Major global announcements soon....Global North American cabal arrests soon....Global legal coup soon(Roman law, the basis for the world's existing laws, is about to be globally rescinded).... A 'New Reality' (first contact) soon......
We are about to witness & participate in the most incredible event to occur on this planet since the fall of Atlantis 13,000 years ago........
Best Regards to You
Thomas
It's times like this, between discovery and revelation, that people should be asking questions about the political calculations. Science was a game that was invented, rather than found. Most people don't realize that the term 'scientist' was an anachronism prior to 1840, which was about the same time organized science replaced organized religion as the fourth leg of the Imperial table.
the pif got it right : Scientician is the correct term for a scientist that sells out.
Phil
The mean sunrise in Jerusalem IS significant to the 4th of July because both sons of Abraham (Muslims & Judaeo-Christians) believe Jerusalem is the center of the nations. The University in Jerusalem has confirmed it is the mathematical center of landmass on Earth - a point which divides the world into 4 equal pieces (assuming you use the right type of map projection). The exact center is the Dome of the Rock, which houses the Stone from the Stars. Every cathedral and every mosque on Earth is measured from (aligned to) that chunk of space rock. When the sun rises in Jerusalem on the longest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere, it is just beginning to set on the NW corner of the US at Cape Flattery.
The Politically Incorrect Fish says thanks to cryptosemiotician, but must acknowledge help from DWH Capp (author of Brother Against Brother: America's New War over Land Rights), a leading voice in exposing those who are behind The War on Natural Resource Harvesters (commercial fishermen, loggers, miners, and farmers - those who bring the public food and raw materials). These are the same type and even the same people who lie behind the machinations at NASA, for whom public ignorance is bliss and individualism is wrong and uncontrolable. They are the Owls... everyone else is a Crow. Rooster is a red herring - as a certain Mr. Wong said:
"...Calling any group a 'rooster' was just an indication of this failing. After all," Wong had said, "the rooster crows at dawn and dusk, but spends the rest of the day scratching in the dust. At night it sleeps while foxes sneak into its roost to prey upon it. Not a very wise nor intelligent bird. Further, it is not free and wild like owls and crows, and cannot fly very high, far or well. So what can it see of the doings on the earth below, when it flies? What can it see of the doings on earth, when it spends its days head down, scratching in the dust?"
"No," Wong had added, "they are very much Crows who want to be Owls."
PIF
The nefarious elites have two types of enemies : internal and external. They trumpet the bravery of extensive territorial wars while the finesse of intensive consolidation (to control what has been conquered) is concealed.
Speaking of Crows, it reminds me of 'as the crow flies'
and 'quote the Black Raven, never more, nevermore'.
As for roosters, they remind me of lawyers, because
a rooster's instinct is to cluck in defiance,
While a lawyer's instict is #@%*in' the clients.
(couldn't resist that one)
Forget about Deep Impact. The radar booms on the Mars Express radar were fully deployed on June 22 and we have received NOT ONE image since then! This mission, which would show us in clear detail the subsurface of Mars, seems to have dropped out of existence.
You guys have got WAY TOO much time on your hands. Alien ship? comet ? for fecks sake get a life.
We are an insignificant bunch of useless lifeforms on an anonymous hunk of rock hurtling through infinity.
We have stupid religous 'crutches' because we can't face the fact that when we die we're gone forever like every other life form. We try to give meaning to our existence by interpreting so called coincidences as having some relevance to the continuity of time and ourselves.
Our entire race will be extinct in a few more thousand years just like those that have gone before and left traces in the rocks.
Do what you want to do now, have fun, enjoy life because it's true, you only get one bite of the apple and when you are gone, you're gone forever as though you never existed.
Your brand of hysterical realism is quite common these days.
Nothin' special about us ...
Some of us see dirt, some of us see stars :-)
Or, as an old Professor of mine used to say,
When fantasy is full, reality is empty - and vice versa.
Don't dump on people for exploring reality ...
it's a noble cause.
People glued to Entertainment Tonight, on the other hand,
now THEY have too much time and too little imagination.
Richard,
If NASA knew (but for whatever reason doesn’t want to admit) that Tom was correct all along, then why would they need this mission to begin with? It seems counterproductive.
Why have this mission in the first place and then go through all the hassle to cover up the results? Questions, questions...
Thanks.
Tempel! D'oh! I feel so stupid for not seeing the connection before now. And to think just two days before, they announced the discovery of a lost Da Vinci sketch, hidden beneath a painting called - The Virgin of the Rocks (that can't be a coincidence) which is, in fact, a lesser copy of an earlier painting. Why would he paint a lesser copy of an earlier painting unless he meant to hide some secret message until such time as we had the technology to reveal it.
The sketch shows a woman with one hand clutched to her breast, the other outstretched, kneeling before what experts say was planned to be an infant Jesus in a scene popular with Renaissance artists.
In other words, it's just the Madonna, in a cave. Check out the tracing here http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/collection/news/newsitems/leonardo/feature3_lrg.htm
What's they above the Madonna's head? Looks like a womb containing a comet to me.
Coincidence? I think not!
Professorx
The hassle is to control spin and direct priorities - which is the job of a Space Agency dependant on public funding. It was inevitable that some mission would eventually reveal the flaw in NASA's theoretical model - they chose July 4, 2005. Interesting that they chose the same day to showcase America's cultural virility as the terrorists chose to attack London.
not the real Jeff
God has a revealed will and a secret will. Do you think the creator of Superman might have had a clue about how to interpret Art History (and read the secret will) ?
Professor X,
>If NASA knew (but for whatever reason doesn’t want to admit) that Tom was correct all along, then why would they need this mission to begin with? It seems counterproductive.
Why have this mission in the first place and then go through all the hassle to cover up the results? Questions, questions...<
I never said that ALL of NASA knows "everything." In fact, I've gone out of my way to separate the "conspiracy NASA" (which knows a lot of stuff) from the "honest NASA" (who seem to know almost nothing ....)
But, what happens when the "honest guys" stumble across data which is SO blatant, yet so contradictory and shocking to their paradigm ... that they "freak out?!"
THAT'S what I think is happening now, behind the scenes (see the latest blog ...). The "honest guys" are confronting the Reality of things that Tom and I have been predicting and describing for years ... and they're NOT handling it well tonight. :)
The "conspiracy NASA guys" (who are in positions of managerial power, control of the money, etc.) are naturally ENCOURAGING "the honest guys" NOT to publish what they've found "until it can be carefully verified." And, the "honest, shell-shocked guys" -- TRUSTING them -- are taking their advice!
Or, as my intel friend is ever fond of saying: "The LIE is different ... at every level." :)
But, since a LOT of "outside honest guys" were also watching the Comet ... all over the world, and are now PUBLISHING ... the truth will (see the latest blog) ultimately come out ....
And More .... :)
Crypto,
I don't see how it could not be a coincidence that Superman is a DC comics hero. District of Columbia?Big distorted pentagon on his chest. Comes from where - Krypton (cryptic?) a planet that exploded. Gosh, what are the chances?
I've always been a Marvel guy, myself. Spiderman rocks.
Richard,
Here is a little something:
White House: Deficit Plummeting to $333B
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050713/ap_on_go_pr_wh/budget_deficit
Wasn't the budget for this mission was also $333 only millions? Anyway, thank you for your answer and I see your point, but where do you think all this is going? We have a bunch of clueless, but honest guys and we have those in the know that they report to and allegedly this has been going on for decades. Where do you think a tipping point is?
Here's what NASA doesn't want you to know:
Tempel 1 is nothing but a big blob of silicates and ferrite iron with some oxygen and carbon embedded in the ferrite material. It's a remnant of a supernova that lead to the formation of this solar system. What NASA doesn't want to cop to is the notion that sun is NOT really a giant gas ball as has been presumed. Instead it is composed primarily of heavier materials like iron and silicon. If you want to know why NASA is keeping silent, it's because in recent months there has been a BUNCH of information about how this solar system formed, and it all conflicts with earth gas model predictions. If you're looking for some answers to NASA's silence, check out:
http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com
I'll give odds that they find LOTS of iron, and LOTS of silicon in Tempel 1. It's not a "dirty snowball" at all. It's the stuff stars are made of.
anonymous: Just a supernova that morphed into what they call a comet ? I doubt so. The key word here is "artificial", both those "comets" and the stars like our Sun are far from natural....
Professor X,
>White House: Deficit Plummeting to $333B ...
>Wasn't the budget for this mission was also $333 only millions? Anyway, thank you for your answer and I see your point, but where do you think all this is going? We have a bunch of clueless, but honest guys and we have those in the know that they report to and allegedly this has been going on for decades. Where do you think a tipping point is?<
First: are you a REAL professor ... or do you just play one on TV? :)
Yes, the "coincidence" of those two (Masonic ...) numbers is absolutely fascinating. We'll have something much more detailed to say on the choice of THOSE numbers in another blog ... in a bit.
Now: where's the tipping point? When enough people get mad enough at being ripped off this way, over and over again ... to collectively DO something.
Not once second before.
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14155&start=140
No data for Molbasser
LOL
sorry that link took you to page 8 of the thread.
page 1
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14155&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Lots of us are watching and waiting for the spectral data.
MolBasser is a forum information control specialist,
going to bat for NASA..
He should work at NASA.
But he works for big Pharma.
typical huh ?
Tholian Lens Flare,
>Lots of us are watching and waiting for the spectral data.
>MolBasser is a forum information control specialist,
going to bat for NASA..
He should work at NASA.
But he works for big Pharma.
typical huh ? <
Interesting how after so many posts .. .he suddenly fell silent. :)
Maybe he fell asleep ... waiting for his official NASA response.
NASA always camps on data they do not understand.
We are still waiting for the entry descent, and landing profiles of Spirit and Opportunity, and NASA has never developed a reasonable model for the Pathfinder and Viking landings, consistent with known parachute drag coefficients.
Our scientific system is in crisis because the basic underlying theories of Newton and Keplar fail to describe what we are observing.
Comets made out of iron and stone are just one more piece that does not fit.
The Messenger,
Hey .. .don't I know you from somewhere ...? :)
But, you're right: the traditional scientific establishment (not just NASA) is loath to admit anymore that "they don't know ...."
That's why we have so many epicycles in so many mainstream theories -- patch ... on patch ... on patch .... When a new model is obviously called for in many, many areas.
The "Quiet before the Storm," as the caption on the official JPL Deep Impact website proclaimed, is precisely what this is ....
A link to a NASA quote was posted by MolBasser,
the Defender of Blind Faith in NASA
but it will not dowmnload for me.
However here is the main ingredient he
propagandized :
7. Data Release Policy
There are no proprietary data rights for the DI Mission. Science team members do have a limited amount of exclusive time–
***not to exceed six months–
for validation of data prior to delivery to the PDS.
Fully reduced, calibrated and corrected data products will be produced by the science team for delivery to PDS per the schedule given in Section 6. The PI and Team Leaders are responsible for coordinating all scientific investigations involving the use of calibrated data from their respective instruments and ensuring that all science data products
***are delivered in a timely fashion. "
From the
Deep Impact Project Data Management Plan
So are we to wait for 6 months?
Mol says,
"Looks like all the data is to be released within 6 months.
Feel free to start badgering NASA after that time.
MolBasser_________________
"Show Me the Data!"
It is better to go through life with open eyes than with blind faith."
Show me the Data !
LOL
Richard you have barely said
"peekaboo recently,along with McCanney,
who actually withdrew his statements.
Van Flanderns silence as well....
But then what can you do
with
No Data?
6 months ...?
What is reasonable?
6 days.
Tholian Lens Flare,
>
Richard you have barely said
"peekaboo recently,along with McCanney, who actually withdrew his statements. Van Flandern is silent as well.... But then what can you do with No Data?<
I have NO IDEA what you are referring to:
I've been EXTREMELY vociferous about this situation ... and have presented all the NON-DEEP IMPACT data (in several "Captain's Blogs") which has been published on the Net -- which is NOT supporting either the "standard NASA comet model" OR the "McCanney model" ....
What have you been reading ...?
In terms of the "standard release policy": yes, NASA creates a "proprietary period" for ALL its missions and their data.
However, it is traditional for PIs (chief scientists) to regularly exceed this strict "letter of the law" -- with many press conferences, frequent press releases, and a LOT of data .... This has been traditional because of NASA's need for "good PR," and the simple fact that high-profile "successes" get MORE funding from Capitol Hill. Again, look at the Mars Rovers ... over a year and a half ... and still putting out daily images and data (even if it is carefully selected). :)
But, on Deep Impact ... nothing but Deep Silence!
After 40 YEARS of precedent in terms of such behavior ... the Deep Impact Team is blatantly violating all previous mission protocols!!
They're saying almost NOTHING. And, what little their saying, is NOT making any sense ... in terms of exactly how their cameras worked ... or not ... that night; we have now THREE contradictory statements on the record (see the Blogs) about the imaging ... from THREE different official Deep Impact Mission representatives!
And yet, NOT A WORD on the crucial SPECTRAL data ... which was/is the heart of this entire Mission.
Which simply means: "something's up." That is -- something's NOT "normal" ... about THIS Mission!!
And, after a lot of digging and analysis ... we're close to being able to prove EXACTLY what that is.
Stay tuned. :)
Richard...Nougat...et al......
OK, sorry for the delay on that physics upload.
In the meantime, I've been able to find parts of the image on the web.
See, for instance... http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/fig25.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.channel1.com/users/bobwb/synergetics/bucky/fig25.html&h=390&w=587&sz=5&tbnid=ARx8YiOB6dMJ:&tbnh=87&tbnw=132&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtetrahedron%2Bas%2Bquantum%2Bmodel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en%26sa%3DN
I got this by google/imaging "tetrahedron as quantum model". It's difficult to make out, but one set of vertices is (apparently) composed of "proton-antineutrino-neutron(?)" and the other set composed of "neutrino-electron(?)-positron".
My photo elaborates upon this image.
[Note...well, it's too bad you had to cull the posts for the most worthwhile, but so be it......]
Re...DEEP IMPACT......
I can't remember the distance from the Sun when the encounter occured...but what about the "ion tail" that appears opposite the normal coma ??? If Tempel 1 had an ion tail during the impact then it must have been significantly enhanced afterwards......
I just want to point out that the schedule for data release is published and can be easily accessed by any who are interested.
If people bothered to understand how scientific data was collected, analysed and published there would not be all this silly conspiracy speack.
MolBasser
Here is the link to the data