Deep Impact ... Deepening Contradictions
And apparently kicked up a major firestorm ... on Earth.
"Something's" definitely been happening, since the highly-publicized culmination of "Deep Impact" the other night, but NOT in public. Something that's potentially far more revealing than "just another successful NASA mission":
A behind-the-scenes-eruption -- currently taking place in Washington and in Pasadena -- over precisely what Deep Impact actually ran into the other night ....
How do we know that such "an intense backroom debate and controversey" is occurring inside NASA?
One major clue has been the simple fact that -- unlike ALL previous NASA deep space missions the Space Agency has EVER conducted, over the last 40 or so years (of which I've been a witness to the majority, first-hand ...) -- "Deep Impact," following its Hollywood-like climax, has produced a stunning ... deafening ... totally anomalous--
SILENCE.
I mean -- no new images ... no spectra (!) ... no excited Mission scientists publicly going on and on about all the "marvelous new data" ... at the obligatory NASA press conferences ... where they could be questioned by equally excited members of the press. And -- most curiously--
No one seems to want to talk about where the Spacecraft, still in excellent condition, could be sent to next!
Such an "extended Deep Impact mission" was actively talked about pre-impact," as this story by Keith Cowing on SpaceRef.com confirms:
"Over the past year or so, NASA has considered plans for an extended mission for Deep Impact to another comet after its baseline mission to Comet Tempel 1. One such mission would involve a flyby of Comet Boethin 3 1/2 years from now ...."
However, according to a late update, posted immediately after Cowing's story:
"Editor's note: I sent a series of questions on this topic to the NASA, JPL, and University of Maryland PAO representatives listed on all Deep Impact news releases. After 24 hours, no one has answered any of my questions or replied to simply acknowledge receipt of my initial request for information [emphasis added] ...."
(Haven't these folks heard of a little something called "Congressional funding?" Or ... "when you've got the world's attention -- and you want to go and do MORE of what you've just done -- 'strike while the iron is hot?' ... while the world is still watching ...!?")
Instead -- the Deep Impact Team doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything with regard to "continuing public interest in their Mission" ... including, answering their mail ... even from the press!
The even bigger clue that "something's" up.
Meanwhile ....
The official JPL "Deep Impact" website endlessly keeps recycling THE SAME "five or six images" -- taken and released in those last few minutes before ... and after ... Impact. Oh -- just to be technically accurate -- there was ONE "new" development, on Friday, July 8th ....
JPL (finally!) put up on its website a "new" image--
Which quickly turned out to be merely a colorized (and rotated!) version of the same "look back shot" that was released days before ... on Monday morning, July 4th -- just hours after the spacecraft initially sent it to Earth ....
[Bulletin: On Monday, July 11th, the JPL web folks posted yet another "non-event": another low-res "movie" showing Tempel 1 moving majestically off into the night, with its plume of dust a visible reminder of all that we're NOT seeing close-up, of the truly important scientific events that occurred -- and were exquisitely recorded -- immediately after Impact. Which, for some reason, we're NOT supposed to see ....
[Yesterday -- Tuesday, July 12th -- the JPL "picture of the day" got even more bizarre: a time-lapse "streak," as seen from Arizona ... showing the (very) distant brightening of Tempel 1 at Impact.
[THIS is what we (the American taxpayers) spent $333 million dollars to see -- a lousy STREAK??!!]

Over seven days ....
In that Time, so sources have it, Someone -- with a press agent at least as good as NASA's used to be -- created an entire world ... and wrote a Book about it.
And ... Dr. Michael A'Hearn -- the Deep Space Mission Principal Investigator, who fought so hard and for so many years to get this unique opportunity to actually reach out and literally "touch" the solar system -- what of him ... he who should be "brimming with amazing news ... incredible new images (in color!) ... and, those historic, close-up, priceless spectral readings which will 'tell the tale?'"
A'Hearn was actually quoted, for the first time since Monday, July 4th, in Friday's July 8th "update": in a VERY carefully-worded NASA press release (which accompanied "the one new image" on the website).
His statement, however, only raised more enigmas over this increasingly peculiar Mission ....
"The major surprise was the opacity of the plume the impactor created and the light it gave off," said Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A'Hearn of the University of Maryland, College Park. "That suggests the dust excavated from the comet's surface was extremely fine, more like talcum powder than beach sand. And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets -- an ice cube [emphasis added] ...."

HUH??!!
Now, where in the world would A'Hearn get the crazy idea that any of us would even be thinking "beach sand" -- and, in association with a comet ...?!
Ah ... maybe it was that other press release on Deep Impact -- the one that came out before Dr. A'Hearn's "non-statement" Friday--
The one from a non-NASA Deep Impact team, using one of the largest telescopes on Earth (the Gemini North on Hawaii) to also observe the rapidly changing effects of Deep Impact's "Grand Experiment." The release which pointedly stated:
"... We are possibly seeing crystalline silicates which might even be similar to the beach sand here in Hawaii [emphasis added] ...!
Now, isn't this interesting: two different NASA scientific teams ... two different major scientific instruments ... one Event ... two different, diametrically opposed conclusions--
Both amazingly enough ... involving "beach sand!"
Didn't we mention something last week about "the time needed by NASA to develop the right spin ..." in association with these remarkable (and now remarkably delayed ...) Deep Impact results ...?
Also officially admitted in the Friday JPL Release were these little "gems"--
"The data review process is not overlooking a single frame of approximately 4,500 images from the spacecraft's three imaging cameras taken during the encounter.
"'We are looking at everything from the last moments of the impactor to the final look-back images taken hours later, and everything in between,' added A'Hearn. 'Watching the last moments of the impactor's life is remarkable. We can pick up such fine surface detail that objects that are only four meters in diameter can be made out. That is nearly a factor of 10 better than any previous comet mission ....'"
So-- why can't you show us even one NEW frame ... out of those "4500" images?!
And--
Where's the spectra?!
You know--
The only data which can tell us what the physical and chemical conditions were -- on and inside Tempel 1 -- at the moment of Impact?! The "what," you and NASA kept telling us for YEARS, this Mission was truly ALL ABOUT ...!
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If A'Hearn seems bewilderingly reticent to show off his latest images ... or, "to bore us" with his actual Deep Impact spectra ... other scientists have been far less reticent. And their results, like those of the Gemini North Team, also seem wildly contradictory to A'Hearn's curious conclusions.
Remember the Swift Satellite Team's preliminary report?--
"... one of its most important observations from the impact is a quick rise in ultraviolet light. This means that the impactor struck a hard surface, as opposed to something soft and snowy [emphasis added] ..."
Contrast that directly with A'Hearn's statement:
"... the dust excavated from the comet's surface was extremely fine, more like talcum powder than beach sand. And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets -- an ice cube."
NOT "an ice cube" is A'Hearn's way of saying (among other things ...) "NOT a hard, frozen cometary surface!"
Yet, the sharp rise in UV recorded by the Swift satellite at Impact, measured by a very sophisticated spacecraft -- and in the vacuum of Earth orbit (so, there's no possibility of atmospheric distortion of the data) -- is definitely showing us that Deep Impact hit a high-strength surface, not just a lot of "fluffy dust" -- diametrically opposite what A'hearn is trying to "spin" re the Deep Impact measurements.
OK, so what is the surface of Tempel 1: hard ... or soft?
One major political difference: the Swift team published their actual data (below), immediately; A'Hearn is simply telling us what the Deep impact instruments saw ... but without showing us any of the measurements.

Big Difference.
One way to reconcile these seemingly opposite conclusions is that, indeed, Tempel 1 is covered in a deep and "fluffy layer" of such dust -- which Deep Impact instantly "punched through" ... until it hit the "much harder, actual surface of the object" ... at which point it produced that tell-tale "UV flash of its destruction" that the Swift measurements recorded.
But this does not explain A'Hearn's specific "knocking down" of the very telling Hawaii comparison with "beach sand" ... unless, of course, A'Hearn is not-so-subtly trying to steer the rapidly developing "new comet model" away from any association with former "exploded planets" ... and the remnants of real live "beaches" ....
But then, in the very next sentence, he is admitting -- albeit, "between the lines" -- that a "new comet model," strikingly different from the "standard NASA model," is definitely necessary now ....
"... And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets -- an ice cube [emphasis added] ...."
This last statement seems pregnant with potential, multiple interpretations ... and is amply confirmed by another NASA team -- which just announced their first results from looking at the Comet.
These (also NASA) scientists, located at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, were operating the "reawakened" NASA SWAS spacecraft ("Sub-Millimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite") -- specifically "turned back on" just to observe the Deep Impact Comet Experiment. The unique capabilities of SWAS were that, unlike all the other teams looking for critical composition measurements from Tempel 1 -- in the UV, visible, or infrared ... -- SWAS could detect the clear, unambiguous "millimeter radio waves" being emitted by a variety of molecules ... including water.
(SWAS was placed in "hibernation" on July 21, 2004, after successfully completing a five and a half year Galactic Survey Mission of these same molecues in Deep Space. It was "revived" last month -- to focus solely now on Tempel 1.)
This is what the Harvard-Smithsonian Team "saw" at Impact:

"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet." Astronomer Charlie Qi (CfA) expressed surprise at these results. He explained that short-period comets like Tempel 1 have been baked repeatedly by the sun during their passages through the inner solar system. The effects of that heat are estimated to extend more than three feet beneath the surface of the nucleus. But the Deep Impact indicates that these effects could be much deeper.
"Theories about the volatile layers below the surface of short-period comets are going to have to be revised," Qi said ....
The SWAS team measured about 730 pounds of water per second being released from Tempel 1 before Impact (below). And about 550 pounds per second after ... indicating that the collision actually slowed the water release rate!
Not exactly a "stunning confirmation" of the "dirty snowball" model ....

So, the obvious scientific concensus from this early data is that Tempel 1 did NOT produce a "gyser of new water" when hit by Deep Impact the other night (the SWAS results), but DID produce an immense cloud of fine silicate particles (the Gemini North results, and A'Hearn's own curious confirmation) -- the exact size (and origin) of said sand particles now being in MAJOR disagreement ....
Ah ... but there is more.
A few hundred feet from the Gemini North Telescope, also high on Mauna Kea, sits another pair of even larger telescopes -- in fact, the largest in the world -- the twin Keck instruments, 1 and 2 (below). With primary (light-gathering) mirrors each 10 meters across (33 feet!), both Keck telescopic observations of Comet Tempel 1 the other night were unsurpassed by any other instrument on Earth. On the official Keck website, the caption boasts that "... the Near Infrared Camera for the Keck I telescope is so sensitive it could detect the equivalent of a single candle flame on the Moon [emphasis added] ...."

So, what did the Keck Teams learn from this faint Comet, utilizing the awesome power of the worlds's two largest -- and most sensitive -- telescopes on Earth?
Shortly after Deep Impact's Grande Finale, Linda Moulton Howe was able to get a phone interview with a member of the Science Team recording data with Keck 1 -- Anita Cochran, Assistant Director of the McDonald Observatory and Senior Research Scientist, University of Texas (Linda's complete interview with Cochran is posted at Earthfils.com).
Cochran reported a number of intriguing observations about what the Keck 1 Team observed that night, perhaps the most interesting being her comments of what occured just at Impact ... and immediately after .....
"At the Kech I [sic] post in Hawaii, what we saw was the comet brighten, not exactly at the time of impact, but a little bit later. What it looks like from the spectra is that the dust was the predominant trigger for the increase in brightness ...."
OK, so far so good.
Cochran's report agrees with both the Gemini North observations (from, literally, just a few hundred feet away on the same 14,000 foot-high mountain), and the Deep Impact Mission's own results 83 million miles away ... as seen in its spectacular close-up imagery and "interpretated" by A'hearn.
The impact -- everyone agrees -- produced a LOT of "dust"... exactly what size being the major sticking point.

But, what else happened?
Cochran again ....
"... So, what we saw was a large increase in the light because of the increase in the surface area of the dust. And in the spectrum, it was a lot more subtle ....
"We did see a change in the amounts of various species [of gases] that we were seeing, and we saw some new lines that appeared the first night in our spectrum that are telling us about 'something' that came [out of Tempel 1] short-term.
"But as far as the Keck spectra are concerned, we still haven't identified what feature it is we were seeing. We did see it go away the next night. So, we are seeing a very short-lived 'something' that came about because of the impact. But I can't give you any more definitive answer of what it is, because WE haven't figured it out yet [emphasis added] ...!"
And that, several days ago, was our whole point.
As long as A'Hearn and NASA do NOT release the post-collision spectra from Deep Impact, from its superb spectragraph that night -- which was only ~5000 miles away, as opposed to 83 million for Earth's instruments -- we will have no clear idea of what "came out" from inside Tempel 1 in that amazing plume ....

In terms of "the standard NASA model" versus "Tom Van Flandern's" -- the wide variety of Deep Impact data we've just surveyed, both from the Spacecraft and the ground, is increasingly supporting Tom Van Flandern: that asteroids and comets are essentially the same type of shattered objects ... surviving fragments of a former "Planet V," which literally blew up millions of years ago in the location of the current "asteroid belt."
Based on these now widely circulating Earth-based scientific observations of Tempel 1 the other night, this new data has already put the whammy on the "dirty snowball" model. Since it's out there now (and NASA had to know that this would happen, since they encouraged these simultaneous ground-based observations in the first place...), what is NASA still "freaking out" about (judging from their continued, profound SILENCE) ... that they won't simply show us what they really found at Tempel 1?
Unless ... Deep Impact stumbeled over "something else" last Sunday night ... something totally amazing ... something totally beyond even Tom Van Flandern's "catastrophic destruction of whole planets."
Stay tuned ....
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139 Comments:
Hello Richard
excellent on-going analysis re: NASA,Tempel1...Bless You
Meanwhile, back here on Earth....
Last nights weekly Federation update for July 12th: the 1st paragraph unmasks the 'who & why' re: the London attack -
http://www.paoweb.com/sn071205.htm
It's almost 'Showtime'......
Major global announcements & a 'New Reality' soon....
Best Regards
Thomas
Great observations. And your last blog entry timed at 3:33am, on purpose or not. Go kick 'em in the butt with their own numerical syncronicity! They don't own sacred syncronicities; it's "open source" and available for all. Anyway...
We await your next entry. Shame on Miles O'Brien of CNN for not asking these same questions that your latest entry asks. Thank God there are still investigative reporters out there.
I thought this artist's rendition of a comet's surface is fitting to Tempel 1:
http://www.calgaryscience.ca/production_site/images/2Pi%20Images/Comet%20Show/CometSurface.jpg
Plumes, light (explosion), sand, water, LAND, artifacts.
:)
This is downright one of the most interesting blogs I've ever read. Cheers!
Outstanding Richard, I have a friend who is a former NASA employee, when ever
I ask about your observations, I get a look and complete silence, concidering this individual was a higher up and at one time or another probably heard of you it's quite interesing that I always
get a no comment.
Mr. Hoagland,
Your comment that they may have stumbled over "something else" that is "totally amazing." Could this something else be signs of organic material leftover from the vast amount of plant and animal life that covered the surface of Planet V in the EPH model?
Also, Mr. Hoagland, I would like to compliment you on your website as well as this new weblog venture. It is refreshing to listen to and read comments from someone who isn't a servant of the system and isn't afraid to think. I must admit though, ever since I read your theories on Hyperdimensional Physics, it's on my mind constantly. I find myself looking for patterns in almost everything. Ignorance may be bliss, but the drive to gain knowledge is even better.
I once wrote a story that included, as part of its plot, a fossil being found on an asteroid.
The story was published in the Sol's Children anthology, by DAW.
Apparently, nothing in the universe is new.
Yeah, but what would cause an entire planet to explode? I will definitely concede that the asteroid belt is most likely the remains of a pulverized planet. But pulverized how? Are there any forces in the gravity model that are great enough to achieve this effect? This "comet" is also most likely a left-over from the planet-smashing event that took place. But the larger question is what is the mechanism for this type of planetary destruction?
I would submit that electical currents (which CREATE magnetic fields) and electrical discharge are the major mechanisms responsible for the foprmation of all solar systems, including ours. The entire universe is one giant electircal circuit.
http://www.thunderbolts.info
It sucks having to report that nothing has happened yet.
Maybe they are waiting until after the shuttle launch today. Good distraction there.
Mr. Hoagland,
Since you and many of your readers are so eagerly waiting for Deep Impact data to be released, this document may be of interest to you:
http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/documents/pag/di_pdmp.doc
It has planned delivery dates for different types of Deep Impact data among other things.
Garold,
There is a class of meteorites called Chondrites which make up about 5% of all known meteorites. They typically have large amounts of water and organic material. They are known to contain amino acids, a Kerogen-like compound (Kerogen is the precursor to fossil fuels), and Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (which are formed by the incomplete combustion of carbon-containing fuels (such as wood, coal, diesel, fat, tobacco, etc.). [info condensed from Wikipedia]
This seems to be consistent with what the EPH proposes, and isn't really new information. Even if NASA simply found that comets like Temple 1 are dense, rocky bodies (which is seems they HAVE) , that would be enough to give a lot of astronomers fits.
Thank you so very much Mr.Hoagland for choosing the path of light. Excellent observations and great use of scientific modes and inquiry. I can't wait to see how this whole Temple 1 issue will unfold. Yes, it sounds like a mystery, yes it is frustrating how we are kept in the dark on many things that we (the tax payers) should by right be privy to, yet I can't help but think that because we are forced to look deeper into these subjects we are made stronger. Thank you for sticking with it and on occasion sticking it to them.
Mr. Hoagland:
I love your insights! I check your blog every day. I can't wait for the results to be released.
I hope your not being distracted from part six on iaepetus. I'm still dying to know how Arthur C. Clark new about it way back when.
The question that I have is, okay, if this comet's composition is more planet than 'dirty snowball' then what's the big deal in releasing that information?
Richard,
Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but could it simply be that NASA needs some time to evaluate and prepare the data, before coming out with it. If they saw something unexpected it seems reasonable that they need some time, before they can do press conferences and answer questions. Am I too naive?
P.S. Excellent blog Richard - la creme de la cream.
Thanks.
So................lol !
3:33 in the morning, huh? :)
Where's the spectra?!
the spectra was RETURNED...
with only one pre-impact spectra still displayed ....
Ouch!
Spectra (like data) are plural.
Singular: datum, spectrum
Plural: data, spectra
Your ideas are controversial enough without drawing fire from the guardians of the written word.
Graden of Eden anyone??? That's one surefire way God could keep man from ever returning.
"Discovery launch delayed."
You can't say NASA doesn't have a sense of irony.
Professor X,
Yeah, sure, it could be NASA just dragging their tails through an analysis, but the point is: why don't we get the RAW DATA that we PAID FOR? If NASA has the raw data, then there's NOTHING else they have do process or analyze before they post it for the public to see.
It's the same issue with MSSS and the MOC images. Why the heck does Malin get exclusive access to image data that I paid for? Why isn't it all freely available as soon as the data is transmited back to Earth?
It's not hard to draw the conclusion that NASA (or MSSS or whoever) has data they don't want to release to the public for whatever reason. Richard and others are speculating as to what that reason could be.
It also really bothers me that some within NASA, and the scientific community in general, seem to think that "the public" is too ignorent and unintellegent to understand, or be able to independently analyze data they collect. That is absurd.
A good analysis really depends on a little background information (which is easily obtained in this, the information age), due diligence, and the ability to logically reason.
I object strongly to the assumption that the "experts" are the only ones good enough to be allowed access to real data. It's like some kind of exclusive priesthood...
I wonder what ESA is thinking in regards to their Rosetta mission. ( http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=2004-006A ) They are actually trying to land a probe onto the surface of a comet. If, however, the surface is deep in talcum powder like material, it could end up being a sort of solar-quicksand. Also, it's to bad that Deep Space 4 was canceled. ( http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/st4/ ) That would have also sent a probe onto Temple 1, April 2006, and returned sample back to Earth.
I have this concept that the forces that rule everything use the principle of the minimum energy, i dont' believe that this forces created "primordial" material in excess. I believe that comets and asteroids have both the same orginin which could have been from a ancient destruction of a celestial body like a planet.
Keep up the good job.
Wha are your thoughts on this review from an Astronomer:
ttp://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=936&category=Science
the Kuiper Belt is a region that basically was formed from Neptune on outward and has not moved from that region, whereas the Oort Cloud objects actually formed slightly closer to the Sun. But because of all the stirring up of the orbits by the large planets, they were thrown out to the Oort Cloud.
Thus, the Kuiper Belt is actually the reservoir that's been pretty much where it is today for the last 4.5 billion years. So, we understand much better where the Kuiper Belt objects have been than the Oort cloud comets.
On the other hand, Comet Tempel I has been in the inner solar system for many, many orbits. That means the outer parts of Tempel I have been changed by heating from the Sun, which is exactly why the Deep Impact mission was trying to bash a big hole so we could see deeper down inside and go back to the fresher (older untouched) material.
WHEN WILL YOU HAVE MORE DEFINITIVE ANALYSIS ON THE UNKNOWNS?
The data we collected at the Kech Observatory are as complicated as any data set in the world because we were at extremely high resolution so we could see very, very fine detail. But as a result, the data are much harder to reduce than lower resolution data. So, my goal is to have it reduced enough to talk about it at the end of the summer in the Division of Planetary Sciences (AAAS) meeting in Cambridge, England beginning September 3, 2005.4
We've got a preliminary reduction that I don't trust yet from the night of the impact. but hopefully over the next couple of weeks from now, I'll be able to say more.
IS THE CAMBRIDGE MEETING GOING TO BE THE FIRST PUBLIC PRESENTATION ABOUT THE DEEP IMPACT DATA?
No, actually there is a meeting on Asteroids, Comets and Meteors in Brazil beginning August 8, 2005."
Have we ever seen (spectral analysis) comets in the Kuiper Belt?
Anonymous (can't think of a name ..?),
>And your last blog entry timed at 3:33am, on purpose or not. Go kick 'em in the butt with their own numerical syncronicity! They don't own sacred syncronicities; it's "open source" and available "for all. Anyway...<
Believe it or not, when the final proofing was done it was about 3:31 this morning. So ... I waited two minutes. :)
"They're" NOT the only ones who can use this Physics .... :)
Bithead,
>What are your thoughts on this review from an Astronomer ...?<
She's all wet ... (sorry).
If Van Flandern is supported by the Tempel 1 observations (which he is), then we have to take seriously the extension of his EPH Model -- that, long before Planet V blew up ... previous, bigger planets blew up a LONG, LONG time ago ... and formed the Kuiper Belt.
I'll have a whole blog on this in a while ...
This is NOT a "small" Revolution. :)
Jason,
If I were the Europeans, I'd REALLY be worried now aboout the fate of Rossetta. It reminds me of another great Arthur C. Clarke novel ... "A Fall of Moondust."
Hey ... maybe ESA can turn the comet Lander into a Kamakazi mission too ... and at least they'd get SOME new data .... :)
Spacechip,
Mea Culpa .... :)
Garold,
>Your comment that they may have stumbled over "something else" that is "totally amazing." Could this something else be signs of organic material leftover from the vast amount of plant and animal life that covered the surface of Planet V in the EPH model?<
Possibly .... Stay tuned. :)
Professor X,
>Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but could it simply be that NASA needs some time to evaluate and prepare the data, before coming out with it. If they saw something unexpected it seems reasonable that they need some time, before they can do press conferences and answer questions. Am I too naive?<
I've been in NASA science meetings during high-profile planetary missions (behind-the-scenes), and I've been in attendence at countless press conferences from the press side during those same missions, and I can tell you first-hgand: in NASA's ENTIRE HISTORY ... what is happening now around "Deep Impact" is just UNPRECEDENTED.
We and the NASA guys used to joke about the "instant science" that NASA ALWAYS tried to put forth immediately during these missions ... even when the science teams themselves would have preferred NOT to talk to the press. Because ... it was good for the mission and ultimately good for NASA.
In this specific case, A'Hearn (the chief Deep Impact scientist) has long-expressed his desire to send the Deep Impact Spacecraft on to another comet, in about three and a half years. There is NO MONEY to do this. Period. So, he should be EAGER to parade all the "goodies" from THIS mission before the media, to drive up those JPL Deep Impact website hits ... to GET THAT CRUCIAL MONEY!!
Instead ... he's disappeared ... and taken those "4500" additional images, AND the crucial "spectra" with him!!
Something's RADICALLY wrong here. And, we think we now know "what" ....
Stay tuned. :)
Grateful as always RCH for the time you spend keeping us interested bystanders updated with the goings on. Dr Van Flandern has an excellent website at metaresearch.org and he is pro active in the forums section. His mechanisms for planetary explosions are posted at that website. There are three different mechanisms that he has posted concerning how explosions can occur. In realation to the question about 'something bigger' than even Dr Van Flanderns exploded planet, this scenario of silence reeks the same thing as the 'Lake Vostok' events several years ago in Antarctica and the sudden announced withdrawel of drilling for unknown reasons. Catch my drift?
Hello Mr. Hoagland,
Something that occured to me while reading here...
If Comets are NOT the fluffy balls of ice that NASA theory adheres to, then where does that leave the events at Tunguska? Another paradyn shift, perhaps?
Chao
Richard,
If man originally came from Mars then why is there a fossil record of human ancestors on Earth? If there was no fossil record (or chimps for that matter, which man shares 97% of the same genetic material) or other members of the primate family on Earth then the validaty of Man from Mars would hold more water. I do believe that panspermia is a very possible route for the original start of life on Earth but I firmly believe man is 100% Earth in origin.
Ten Alp
ZeroAlbedo,
>If Comets are NOT the fluffy balls of ice that NASA theory adheres to, then where does that leave the events at Tunguska? Another paradyn shift, perhaps?<
Simple: About 5% of stoney meteorites, called "carbonaceous chondrites" -- which, in the EPH model, are the weakest, wettest parts of "the former planetary crust" which were blown off into space in the original explosion of Planet V -- when slamming into the Earth's atmposhere, are VERY weak ... and thus they disintegrate high up (from the air overpressure ...), creating high-yield "airbursts" (sudden conversion of extremely high kinetic energy into heat).
One of THOSE -- disintegrating with the force of a 30-megaton nuclear weapon, high in the air over Siberia in 1908 -- likely caused "Tunguska."
In fact, Tempel 1 could be one of those ... a HUGE "carbonaceous chondrite." Without the Deep Impact on-site spectra, it will be VERY hard to know .... :)
Anonymous,
>If man originally came from Mars then why is there a fossil record of human ancestors on Earth? If there was no fossil record (or chimps for that matter, which man shares 97% of the same genetic material) or other members of the primate family on Earth then the validaty of Man from Mars would hold more water. I do believe that panspermia is a very possible route for the original start of life on Earth but I firmly believe man is 100% Earth in origin.<
That's a VERY important set of questions. Unfortunately, the answers are NOT simple ... but will require a whole blog to adequately answer. ")
Remind me in a few days to address this in such a blog, after we get the upcoming Discovery Mission settled -- one way or the other ....
Hi Richard,
I think that HD Physics and the electric universe fit perfectly together, and we may have seen (and are yet to see properly :) a spectacular example of this.
Firstly i thought it notable that NASA had chosen copper, a soft and highly conductive material for the 'impactor'.
Secondly, the timing of the impact event was set to immmediately precede the crossing of the ecliptic plane by the comet.
Its possible that upon impact, the resulting conversion of movement to heat energy liquified the copper impactor, blasting it and a significant amount of pulverised material into space.
This sudden plume consisting of 'sand' and (now cold and solid) bits of copper will have interacted with the plasma surrounding the comet and ... discharged!
Think back to the NASA 'tethered satellite' experiment... What happened when a conductive item was dragged through our magnetic field?
Imagine what would happen if you threw a hundred marbles into the plasma field surrounding an operational tesla coil arc!
This easily explains the 'unexpected brightening' of the ejecta plume - it was glowing with its own plasma sheath.
This then leads me to wondering what happens as this differently charged body crosses the ecliptic, the area where the suns magnetic field reverses polarity, the plane where HD forces have a strong affect.
I noted that the impact was timed to co-incide with the crossing of the mars orbital path. Unfortunately i dont yet posess the software needed to find out if the other major HD objects in the solar system - jupiter, saturn etc - were at 'key' tetrahedral angles relative to the comet or each other at the time, but that is secondary to the question at hand.
If only 'they' would release the data!
Cheers
Greg
Australia
Richard,
The object that caused the Tunguska event must have been one very large "carbonacious chondrite" probably every bit as large or larger than Temple 1. NASA's behavior cornerning the Deep Impact on-site spectra is puzzling and a bit outrageous. With all the hype leading up to Deep Impact and the sterling success in hitting Temple 1 in the first place one would think the spectra would be a giant plume in the collective NASA hat.
Keep pressing and we may yet see blood from this stone.
Regards
Dear Richard,
I'm really interested in reading your blogs and truthfully am not surprised that NASA is seemingly unwilling to supply the paying public with "our" information. I'm sad to say that I just had the feeling while watching the NASA TV coverage that this was all we would get for "a long time."
I'm curious to know if anyone else has the feeling that Tempel 1 maybe isn't a comet at all but some sort of floating metallic object?
I'm a Star Trek fan and just can't help but think about the "Next Generation" episode 'Masks' where the Enterprise is investigating a bizarre comet until they start using their phasers and discover it's actually a floating temple. Can't help but laugh at the coincidence in the name! :)
I know how silly my guess might sound but I can't get the idea out of my mind. I'm interested in what everyone has to say about it.
Thanks!
Greg E,
>I think that HD Physics and the electric universe fit perfectly together, and we may have seen (and are yet to see properly :) a spectacular example of this.<
I agree. The "devil," of course, is in the details ....
Jayson,
>I'm curious to know if anyone else has the feeling that Tempel 1 maybe isn't a comet at all but some sort of floating metallic object?
>I'm a Star Trek fan and just can't help but think about the "Next Generation" episode 'Masks' where the Enterprise is investigating a bizarre comet until they start using their phasers and discover it's actually a floating temple. Can't help but laugh at the coincidence in the name! :)
>I know how silly my guess might sound but I can't get the idea out of my mind. I'm interested in what everyone has to say about it.<
Remember that episode! Stay tuned .... :)
Richard,
I see your point. However, wouldn’t NASA get the hits on their website and public interest if say in a month or two they “resurrect” this story and call a press conference?
I seem to see a much larger newspaper headlines and more interest from common folks when NASA can actually explain properly what they saw instead of dumping raw data that only a few can process and speculate about. Assuming NASA doesn’t know at the moment what to make of the data they’ve got what are they going to say at the press conference or on their website? We got all this data, but we don’t know what it means?
Is it not a proper scientific procedure not to rush to a conclusion and carefully check and double check the data before making the claims especially if they are controversial?
I’m with you and want to see all they got now, but at the same time it seems reasonable where NASA is coming from.
Anyway, let’s say you and Tom are 100% correct and the planet(s) can and did explode.
Where do we go from here and what does it tie into? What is the bigger picture and where do you ULTIMETLY go with this? I think it would be great if you could blog bigger picture without going into details, so that we don’t loose the forest for the trees.
Thank you for your work.
I love it! Keep up the good work.
I think that there is a funny smell coming from the science team on this one. However, while unprecendented, there could be mundane reasons for the delay.
The information coming from other sources is very intresting.
I am keeping an open mind on this one, but the dirty snowball model is dead methinks and if i am thinking it others in the Astro community are thinking it too.
Keep the blogs coming.
Pablo
The Revolution will not be televised !
The Revolution will not be televised !
What's the big deal in releasing the rocky comet information?
I'll take a stab at that one, because I think there is a meeting going on somewhere in cyberspace or closed circuit TV as we contemplate the science and politics.
A comet as 'serious business' upsets the equilibrium. What fascinates me about this round, is that this one might force all members of the clergy (scientists) to recognize there is a priesthood among them. In cosmological terms, if we are to isolate the statue-cult as the inner circle, we should interpret their promoted myths in the same light as we interpret their art history.
Imperialism was serious business too, so the minutum mundum, or the paper model of the elites determines what is sacred and what comets are made of. So, square pegs are often forced into round holes. Comets were expected to be, in the sky, whatever the elites imagined they were in society - without substance, lightweight and transient.
Jesus said, "woe unto you scribes and pharisees, for ye compass land & sea to make one proselyte", so the Vatican established the mystery cults. Freemasonry is modern pharasaism and they did compass land & sea - they brag about their impact on monuments and things built with the permanence of stone. Their logo changed and the worldwide Freemasonry logo includes Space. Land and Sea is spun to mean above and below or up and down ... and for decades, Space has been their target.
I hope to demonstrate how and why the elites and their support cults impacted 18th and 19th century cartography in the hopes that our Space Programs (on Earth) are not directed the same way (undemocratic and deceptive). Welcome to percolated science 101 :-)
Professor X,
>However, wouldn’t NASA get the hits on their website and public interest if say in a month or two they “resurrect” this story and call a press conference?
>I seem to see a much larger newspaper headlines and more interest from common folks when NASA can actually explain properly what they saw instead of dumping raw data that only a few can process and speculate about. >
Assuming NASA doesn’t know at the moment what to make of the data they’ve got what are they going to say at the press conference or on their website? We got all this data, but we don’t know what it means?
>Is it not a proper scientific procedure not to rush to a conclusion and carefully check and double check the data before making the claims especially if they are controversial?
>I’m with you and want to see all they got now, but at the same time it seems reasonable where NASA is coming from.
>Anyway, let’s say you and Tom are 100% correct and the planet(s) can and did explode.
>Where do we go from here and what does it tie into? What is the bigger picture and where do you ULTIMETLY go with this? I think it would be great if you could blog bigger picture without going into details, so that we don’t loose the forest for the trees ...<
Have you ever heard the expression: "Ninty-day wonder ... on the ninty-first day" ...?
People -- and especially the American people -- have INCREDIBLY short attention spans. Tempel 1 yesterday, Shuttle problems today ....
And, as I pointed out earlier, this is TOTALLY contrary to ALL previous NASA behavior and self-interest ... especially, since Deep Impact currently has NO MONEY to go on and do ANYTHING ELSE.
Good ol' competition for funding inside NASA would seem to dictate "STAY in the public eye as long as possible" ... ESPECIALLY, if you have "4500 images the public HASN'T seen" ....
And, there are a LOT of things you could do with even raw data right now which would "hold public interest," preserve the Deep Impact team's "scientific priority to later, more fully-developed results" ... and get the money to "go on to the NEXT comet."
And they're doing NOTHING. Not even returning reporters' calls!
This is "normal" for NASA. NO!
So, you want "big picture?" What this REALLY means and why any of us should care, right? Well, be patient, it's coming .... :)
But NOT from NASA.
Mr. Hoagland:
First of all, I´d like to apologize for my english not being too good. That said, I´ll try my best to make myself understood.
I´ve been reading your site for quite some time now, and I -as well as anybody else, I presume- appretiate the chance to have this direct communicaton with you.
I´ve a few curiosities. This blog is dealing with a lot of interesting material, and you´re surely putting a lot of effort into it. I´m afraid all this work will be lost, tho. Do you think once you´ve reached your conclussions (for example, regarding Deep Impact), you´d be able to summarize and/or reformat it and host it in the Enterprise main page? That way its lasting appeal will be secured.
That will be all for now. Looking forward for your updates and once again, thanks for all your hard work.
Why don't we hear about the proposals you and van Flandern have proposed in order to research your theories? Instead, you are criticizing other scientists for the work they are doing. At least they are researching something.
As for the "4500 images" you complain about images that "turned out to be merely a colorized (and rotated!) version of the same "look back shot" " and "another low-res "movie" showing Tempel 1 moving majestically off into the night", but guess what those are part of the 4500 images. If you read through the website, there was no movie camera on board. Those movies are made from lots of still frames. And what you think is the same image over and over, well, pics taken in close sequence will look very similar.
You write well and are very convincing. It's a shame more people don't see through the facade.
Anonymous, I am glad you feel that Richard writes convincingly. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for your writing.
I have read a tremendous amount of proposals, model theories, and data compilations regarding both Richard's and Tom's theories. Combined with hundreds of pages of observations and analysis. Perhaps you need to discover the archives of articles at Richard's EnterpriseMission.com website.
I think we all get the point Richard is trying to say about the 4,500 high res images that have not been released by NASA. Only a few low-res ones have been released - yes, probably from that batch of 4,500 - and one that has been colorized and rotated. Even if some stills were put together in a video, that only requires a small fraction of still images to create that low-res movie. Even if that video clip required ALL 4,500 images (which is silly to think so), we all need to see the original RAW photos. What is more confusing is how you cannot see clearly the importance of having these 4,500 high-resolution images accessable to the public who is paying for these space missions.
Just because Richard criticizes some scientists doesn't in anyway imply to me that he does not value the work they do, nor does it imply that Richard is not involved in ongoing research projects on his own.
In your attempt to point out flaws in Richard's theories, it is yourself who is revealing a very weak argument.
Greg E wrote: >>Secondly, the timing of the impact event was set to immmediately precede the crossing of the ecliptic plane by the comet.<<
Richard, I miss your 'stellar alignment' reports.. with the star/constellation inclinations, locations, and times of NASA events as gathered from Red Shift. It seems like your last report was from the Millenium New Year's event (I might be wrong). A lot of us have the Red Shift software. Perhaps sometime you can write up a little primer on how to search for, monitor, and record these stellar alignments as these NASA and political events happen. We can be put to use to keep an eye on these things. Or has their affection for Isis and Osiris gone now?
To those who do not know what I am referring to, I am not talking about astrology.
Here is a sample:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/lib7.htm
Yet another blow.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20050713/sc_space/triplesunsetplanetdiscoveredin3starsystem
Planet Discovered in 3-Star System
"It is the first extrasolar planet found in a system with three stars. How a planet was born amidst these competing gravitational forces will be a challenge for planet formation theories."
"How that planet formed in such a complicated setting is very puzzling. I believe there is yet much to be learned about how giant planets are formed," Konacki said.
This is somewhat off-topic, but not really, so I want to go ahead and post it.
Why is it assumed that every planet found in a star system is native to that star system? If it seems impossible for a planet to form in a star system so close to its parent star, or where the gravitational forces make is seem unlikely, it seems to me that a much more likely scenario is that the planet was captured - either as a free wanderer or from another star.
Or would a free wandering planet be too dangerous a thought to harbor? I mean, if the idea of a comet smacking into Earth isn't frightening enough, imagine if a whole planet were to wander in!
Where would free wandering planets come from? When two star systems pass close to one another, I imagine that some planets, especially outlying gas giants, might have their orbits shifted. Some may be shot closer to the parent star. Some planets might be exchanged between the star systems. And some others might even be shot out into space to wander until captured by another star.
It makes sense to me. So why keep re-evaluating the planetary formation theory when there are other possible explanations for what you are seeing?
Richard,
You're gonna love this.
Gravity Doughnut Promises Time Machine
Quote: In theory, it should be possible to travel back to any point in time after the time machine was built, reports Ori in Physical Review Letters1. One slight snag is that he has not worked out how to generate the gravitational doughnut, although he has some ideas. "It's wild speculation, but you may need to move large masses rapidly in a circular motion," Ori says.
You may need to move large masses rapidly in a circular motion!
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050711/full/050711-4.html
jeff: In that article I see some contradictions about high temperatures and cold enough to have ice on the planet...
You can only wonder what is really there and how much artificial that system really is... As far as we know it's unknown if planets ever formed "naturally" anywhere out there...
An interesting Time Travel article appeared some time ago on Pravda.ru in English :
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/10929_dimension.html
Many comments are just lame and you wonder if there are conspiracy groups agents posting there, like those posting here, to cover everything up by making a fool of it and make it look like it's all fantasy...
Another interesting collection of links about Time Travels:
http://www.johntitor.com/Pages/SubPages/TimeNews.html
Yet another link that talks about Russians Time Travel machines:
http://www.jimmyakin.org/2004/11/pravda_russians.html
Obviously, officially, nothing like this exists and it's fully operational.. yeah,sure! I bet there are more groups travelling in space/time.. and you can only wonder how much alien lifeforms and technology is being used there...
Links and comments regarding Pravda.ru article about Time anomalies in the Antarctic:
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/03/02/antarctic_time_warp_discovery.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread23110/pg2
As usual, many people going around telling that's just a joke and fantasy and nothing about this is real and time travels are not possible. That's just what conspiracy groups want you to believe, and the majority of humanity, unfortunately, does without even questioning.
Richard:
Enterprise Mission vs Captain's Blog?
The old days of the EM had almost daily updates on a variety of concerns. Your Captain's blog exoeriment is a return to that kind of information output. Going forward how will you balance the material for the web site vs. this excellent blog?
You know, I have to say, I stayed up, being the geek that I am, to watch Nasa TV when Deep Impact slammed into Tempel1. At first it was really cool, they were showing what Deep Impact was seeing and there was an asteroid-looking rock about to slam the camera. Then all of a sudden the image pretty much went away so the feed cut to a shot of the JPL room with everyone watching screens that they were no longer showing the viewing public images of. Then the damn thing slams into the "comet" and they didnt even show that!?? I was almost as pissed off about it as I was with MTV cutting off Pink Floyd on Live 8!! Now it all makes sense thanks to your observations Richard. Keep on it! We deserve to know the truth! We paid $333 Million for it...
Hello Richard,
Great site, and very interesting blog posts!
Anonymous posted rarlier in this blog concerning the fossil record, and about our possible connection to Chimpanzees.
Though we are thought to be 97% identical to Chimps, this 3% difference represents hundreds of thousands of genetic differences between ourselves and other primates. Also, we as Humans have only 26 chromosomes in our genetic make-up, where as primates have 28. Yet we call ourselves genetically superior!!
Check out Lloyd Pye's website (WWW.Lloydpye.com),for some interesting discussion on this topic.
I originally found reference to his work through Nexus magazine, (WWW.mexusmagazine.com) too.
It has thought provoking topics and is excellent reading.
Damn, first post and I didn't spot the typo 'til I'd sent it!
Pravda.ru and IndiaTimes.com often post articles that are tabloid in nature to drive up their international site viewership. Here in the west, we are very knowledgeable of nonsense that comes out in the supermarket tabloids. But we must be aware now that other news sites from other countries might also dabble in tabloid journalism.
Pravda.ru is at least better at trying to present an alternative news story as a theory, but often it's effective re-hashes of stuff that came out elsewhere. IndiaTimes.com, however, often posts news items as real news. Such as their article titled: "Remote viewing Tibetan monks see Extra Terrestrial powers saving
the World from destroying itself in 2012"
In other words, buyer beware.
>>how will you balance the material for the web site vs. this excellent blog?<<
Richard's website simply needs to be re-developed in a more organized manner. This blog could easily appear fully integrated into his main page. Other key features should also be introduced: The ability to subscribe to a mailing list to be notified of updates to the site. The ability to have 'printable version', 'e-mail this article', 'pdf version' of all articles (easy to do). Even clearing up the problems that are present. For example, near the bottom of his main page is a large wide gold-bordered box that contains the back articles. When you click on the year links on the bottom border gold bar, many years of articles do not appear. Yet all these missing articles can be found by clicking on the articles archives title above this box. If year dates are visually prominent in the gold bar, yet people click on them and see no articles for some of these older years, people might miss out on reading all his older pre-2000 articles. An integrated search engine would also be useful. All very easy things to do.
All of this could be accomplished with a suitable content mangement system, which then also means Richard himself could update EVERYTHING on his own and at his own leisure.
While VA Graphics can certainly do pretty pictures, and I assume they were so kind enough to donate their time (which I fully acknowledge and respect), I think the EM website has a long way to go in presenting all the remarkable material in a highly organized and easy manner. When a site becomes more effective in its layout, it reflects upon the professionality of his work. And makes things much more easier for newbie eyes to find and access information.
Overall, this increases site viewership. And my criticism above is only meant to help promote that purpose.
Maybe someone in NASA is finally waking up and smelling the coffee!
Deep Impact Flyby Spacecraft Ready For New Mission:
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050714_flyby_future.html
Now if only they would tell us what they found on/in Tempel 1...
I have a feeling we can't get that lucky.
> Yeah, but what would cause an entire planet to explode?
Another planet (or moon) slamming into it?
I believe I've read theories (Velikovsky or Sitchin?) proposing that the asteroid belt was created when a moon of "Nibiru" (a large, undiscovered 10th planet whose orbit takes it far outside of the solar system) smashed into a planet between Mars and Jupiter, sometimes referred to as "Tiamat".
There are also those who believe that Earth's moon, and possibly even the Earth itself, are leftovers from this incident.
By the way, I agree with Sean C. above, this site could use a redesign, it comes across as somewhat sensationalistic and a bit amateurish. Please understand I mean absolutely no offense or disrespect by this... content is indeed king, and EM excels here, but even a king can use a good publicist. ;)
Brian C
(and yes, I am a professional web developer)
"Rendez-vous wit Rama"
National Security paranoia created the Industrial Complex that controls military priorities. The State within a State has cannons pointing in all directions - and none of the walls they have built border on an external enemy ... praetorization is about internal consolidation.
Under the flag of 'national insecurity', exploration has drifted silently from the bravery of Neil Armstrong to the finesse and fleecing of today.
The elites instruments are not commoners anymore ... as they once were.
The hysterical realism promoted by Industry is reflected in the attitudes of people who only watch television. It is NOT priests in black robes that will be fussing over the comet issue (except maybe at Vatican Observatories). The superstitions of the past have been replaced by modern superstitions.
The truth is usually dressed up as a National Security issue.
Out here, in the court of public opinion, what should be the punishment for stringing everyone along and giving them a processed-cheese version of events ?
If the motives are cheap publicity and careerism : how can public opinion discourage such behavior in the future ?
There was a $333,000,000 budget for the Tempel I project - the team has been well paid and their place in the history books is secure.
Stop buying whatever NASA puts out and start demanding. That is how you stop the devolution from citizen to customer : punish the message and messenger for dispensing coached stories.
To the anonymous telling that sites like Pravda.ru just post fake articles and such.. well, I can only tell you that when on MiB they show that most recent news of alien activity can be found on lowest level tabloids that people consider just fake, they just tell you something about the truth... The most useful way to hide something is to put it in front of people maybe with a funny aspect and no one will ever notice or would think that's either normal or fake... That's exactly the way conspiracy groups censoring programs work on all data...and so far their tactics worked almost flawlessly, there are just a bunch of people among humanity that really tries to question what's really going on out there and here on Earth...
Hello Richard
Some thoughts:
I believe planets explode because they are attacked....ie: Galactic Wars
Iapetus, with its birds-eye view, is artificial...What about our Moon?...with it's birds-eye view...one artificial moon (one - symbolizing a unbalanced reality..perhaps 13,000 years old?...perhaps post Atlantis?..ie: 'the Fall')
In fact, our Moon is 'mathematically sized' to our planet - this link proves that:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward091.htm
also note what is said re: the connection to Mercury & Saturn...
Invariably, in a George Lucas movie, he depicts two moons in the sky of another,peaceful/advanced planet...two representing 'balance'...
If our moon is 'sized' to Earth, to me, that appears more artificial than natural...How does that connect to exploding planets?...Not sure...But if planet size artificial objects are out there, to me, all options are on the table, including galactic wars....
the current updates & archives updates link at www.paoweb.com,along with your wonderful site, connected a lot of dots for me. In fact, all of the pieces of the puzzle fell neatly into place....
Major global announcements soon...A 'New Reality' (First Contact) soon...
We are about to witness & participate in the most incredible event to occur on this planet since the fall of Atlantis 13,000 years ago...& discover who we really are!
Best Regards Richard,
Thomas
MoonWatcher,
Thanks for your appreciation. But--
Why would you think these blogs will be lost? They're archived here, and linked directly from Enterprise.
Are you suggesting that we open a special page on Enterprise for a duplicate "Captain's Blog" archive ...?
Great coverage as always RCH. There is certainly something fishy going on with the Deep Impact team. I think that NASA should be wanting to freely give out all the details that can about such an apparently successful mission, if for no other reason than to justify future expendures.
Anonymous,
>Richard, I miss your 'stellar alignment' reports.. with the star/constellation inclinations, locations, and times of NASA events as gathered from Red Shift. It seems like your last report was from the Millenium New Year's event (I might be wrong). A lot of us have the Red Shift software. Perhaps sometime you can write up a little primer on how to search for, monitor, and record these stellar alignments as these NASA and political events happen. We can be put to use to keep an eye on these things. Or has their affection for Isis and Osiris gone now?<
Funny you should ask: Mike Bara and I were discussing this just last night -- re the curiously "jinxed" Discovery "Return to Flight" Mission.
In a future blog, I will be aquainting folks with the basis of this reasearch ... and extending it into the current NASA missions.
And, no, this "ritual cult" within NASA -- and their "love" of Osiris and Isis -- has NOT waned .... In fact: it's become even more blatant ... as everyone will see. :)
Jeff,
>Why is it assumed that every planet found in a star system is native to that star system? If it seems impossible for a planet to form in a star system so close to its parent star, or where the gravitational forces make is seem unlikely, it seems to me that a much more likely scenario is that the planet was captured - either as a free wanderer or from another star ....<
In fact, Hubble has identified "planets" wandering thorugh the Galaxy NOT attached to ANY star .... And, you're right: in highly dense star clusters, stars are MUCH closer together than in our Galactic neighborhood. Such star systems would frequently come with the range of gravitational influence, and could easily exchange planets ....
Initially, such "exchanged" planets would be in highly elliptical orbits. Later interactions with the "new" star system would make them far more ciruclar.
i haven't had the time to look deeply into the specifics of this new discovery, but it seems to be an otherwise average star system simply orbiting the Galaxy as our own Sun. For its newly-discovered planet to have been "captured" would mean this star system had to have come close to another one sometime in its past ... NOT likely if it is not in a star cluster currently. Of course, the system could have been born in such a cluster, experienced such an "exchange event" ... and moved away into the myriad of isolated systems orbiting the Galaxy proper.
Bottom line: yes, "exchanging planets" is not beyond astrophysical possibility. Good idea .... :)
Jeff,
>"It's wild speculation, but you may need to move large masses rapidly in a circular motion," Ori says.<
I LOVE it!
The first three laws of Hyperdimensional Physics: rotation ... rotation .. rotation. :)
Good find.
Anonymous,
>Enterprise Mission vs Captain's Blog?
>The old days of the EM had almost daily updates on a variety of concerns. Your Captain's blog exoeriment is a return to that kind of information output. Going forward how will you balance the material for the web site vs. this excellent blog?<
Damfino .... It's an experiment! :)
Sean C.,
>Richard's website simply needs to be re-developed in a more organized manner ....
>All of this could be accomplished with a suitable content mangement system ....
>While VA Graphics can certainly do pretty pictures, and I assume they were so kind enough to donate their time (which I fully acknowledge and respect), I think the EM website has a long way to go in presenting all the remarkable material in a highly organized and easy manner ....
>And my criticism above is only meant to help promote that purpose.<
No basic Disagreement.
We are currently in the market for an afforadable (preferably free!) web site design firm, which can redo the Enterprise site -- and then take over its day-to-day operation. VA Graphic is no longer performing this function, but I echo your appreciation for their pro bono efforts in the past ....
I agree about the content management system, it was one of my first thoughts about the EM site (which I discovered only recently and have been stuck to for days now, reading for hours on end!).
Many excellent, open-source (free) CMS's are available... most are very simple to install and maintain. I could do it for you, as could probably thousands of your other visitors. I think it would be hard to overstate the benefits of a good CMS for a site like this.
I'd be happy to put everything together for you: phaedrus128@yahoo.com
Mmm...
Mr Hoagland, thanks for the reply and just a comment: exacty, what you suggested about hosting these blogs in Enterprise, as an "Captain´s blog archive" would be fantastic. Keep in mind web blogs are now counted by the millions (well, almost), and in no time they´ll be taken by the general public as seriously as IRC channels are. Webpage hosting will always look, I believe, more appealing and professional. Also, as a previous poster named Sean C. said before, sometimes finding old material in Enterprise ends up being quite hard. I can picture new visitors giving it up because of the difficult lay out. Being your work so amazing, it is a pity it might not find new readers because of website design. I do know, however, this is no place for "web suggestions", so I´ll just keep devotedly reading and enjoying your work.
Yes, a Content Management System is the way to go. I'd suggest a CMS that has a BLOG "component" with it. That way it's integrated into the entire site. :)
Really the best thing about the CMS is that you don't have to hire anyone to update it. Just have someone design the graphics/theme for it and you simply put the content up. Similar to Blogger.
Plone is a newer cms I've been toying with and it's pretty good.
Robert,
>Yes, a Content Management System is the way to go. I'd suggest a CMS that has a BLOG "component" with it. That way it's integrated into the entire site. :)<
From what I've saeen so far, these Content Management Systems are all rather monotonously THE SAME. There is no individuality ... (which is why they're easily managed).
Enterprise is unique. It must maintain its unique persona .... :)
Richard, the key to keeping content management based sites from being drab is an effective template design. So your overall flair remains strong and present, yet all the functions is automated. In other words, you can very much mimic your current look but have it cleaned up and organized better.
All you need to do is get a request out, and people will come running to help for free. I have seen some offers already. However, shop around, even if these services are donated. Be sure they can provide you with suitable examples of their work so as to ensure you are getting the quality you are seeking. Content management system differ greatly; the person helping should know the difference and let you decide (preferably with demos of the administration areas so you can see which system you like). Also, the person should be able to release full administration of the site over to you ("just in case") - except for the occassional help once you've mastered it. Both backs must be stratched, as most likely if they put a small (hopefully small) link to their site it will drive them traffic. You are providing them with a benefit as well, so you deserve to be choosy.
I could easily provide this free service for you myself, but I would require 4 months before starting to work on it.
As I am very busy right now with some DAGgonit tough projects and it's keeping ME very busy in this room with all these FANS to fight off this summer heat.
And if you have read all these comments on all your blog entries, and know your anagrams, you will know what I am referring to.
CMS driven sites can be ugly :(
Sean C.,
We've had a variety of success (and non-success!) in getting such pro-bono web design and management in the past.
So, until I have the time to really find a system that fits our unique requirements (we have some other folks working on this now ...) Enterprise will have to remain pretty much like it is (with some clean-up of the Main Page planned for the near-term future).
Remember the Star Trek films, where almost ALL of them open with the "Enterprise" either in NEED of repair ... or actually BEING repaired as the film begins ...?
THAT's our Enterprise today .... :)
Stay tuned.
I still think NASA has a big institutional ego and to delay the release of 4500 pictures means has got to mean there's a debate going on somewhere.
Is it possible that the 'team' wth the photos only know that their Internal Deadlines have been extended ? Without really knowing the cause of the extension ?
This would be the perfect occasion for those censors (in priestly black or scientific white) to read the Blogs/Chats of its watchdogs and critics.
NASA tries to preoccupy its watchdogs by dispatching web-designers with really cool ideas as a distraction :-)
Someone at NASA is expecting a report on what that Face-on-Mars-guy is going to say about the Tempel I experiment, so, we should all get busy and write it, complete with the science they promised to wow us with and the political calculations that caused them to under-whelm everyone.
If we know all we know based on what little they have released - it sort of means we didn't need to take 4,500 pictures they took, doesn't it ?
NASA might be getting alot of hits and letters, but how much is positive ?
When they release the 4,500 pictures, how much of what they say will be "new" or a surprise to anyone ?
When it comes to the fun & games that always goes with missions : how "tough" will the questions from the reporters be ?
I'm wondering how this drama will play-out ...
Cryptosemiotician,
That would only work if we didn't know what they've been desperately hiding ....
Stay tuned. :)
Richard,
I ran across this statement on space.com from Donald Yeomans:
"To my mind, one of the key results of the Deep Impact mission is that there are major differences between the nuclei of Halley, Borrelly, Wild 2 and Tempel 1," Yeomans noted. "Tempel 1, at least, does not seem to conform to the ‘fresh surface -- no impact craters -- crusted over dirty iceball model’ that seemed so popular prior to Deep Impact."
The article, which focused on deep impact's next mission, can be read here:
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050714_flyby_future.html
Thoughts anyone?
OT
Our old friend Zahi is in the news, saying he believes there may still be undiscovered chambers in the pyramid of Khufu.
Now, Zahi Hawass, the secretary general of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities and director of the Giza Plateau, suspects that might not be the case.
"I really personally believe," he recently told a sold-out lecture hall in the University of Pennsylvania's Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology in Philadelphia, "that the secret chamber of Khufu is hidden inside the pyramid."
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=4&article_id=16740
Sounds like coded language to me.
Great. Someone is finally focusing attention on Khufu. Instead of always Cheops and the Sphinx. Still wondering when "researchers" will figure out that if you map down the star Regulus upon Cairo - using the Orion placement at Giza as the key - a remarkable thing there is found in Helwan, Egypt... the spot where Regulus lines up on the ground. Well at least UNDER the ground there. Luckily I have, and will present all this in due time as soon as I am able.
How can you educate the ignorant? How can mankind re-learn what we have forgotten long ago? Our ancient world, though characterized as primitive still this day shows signs and designs of ancient technology and understanding that we simply do not possess. Perhaps not attaining the knowledge they had, I am more interested in who they were taught by.
Amargi Hillier,
>Great. Someone is finally focusing attention on Khufu. Instead of always Cheops and the Sphinx. Still wondering when "researchers" will figure out that if you map down the star Regulus upon Cairo - using the Orion placement at Giza as the key - a remarkable thing there is found in Helwan, Egypt... the spot where Regulus lines up on the ground. Well at least UNDER the ground there. Luckily I have, and will present all this in due time as soon as I am able.<
We should talk. A major television network has come to us, seeking information on the best experts in "ancient engineering and technology," to be part of a major series encompassing our research, Van Flandern's etc.
This is EXACTLY what they're looking for.
Remember how I was able to send Fox across the desert a few years ago, to confirm the highly anomalous "Abydos glyphs" .... :)
Mr. Kuttner,
>"To my mind, one of the key results of the Deep Impact mission is that there are major differences between the nuclei of Halley, Borrelly, Wild 2 and Tempel 1," Yeomans noted. "Tempel 1, at least, does not seem to conform to the ‘fresh surface -- no impact craters -- crusted over dirty iceball model’ that seemed so popular prior to Deep Impact."
>Thoughts anyone?<
Are you kidding?! :)
Yes ... in a full blog, hopefully to be posted later today ....
It's like NASA/JPL is bidding time to figure out what all of this means. The Deep Impact page is still showing that same image from the 8th.. Grrr :(
cryptosemiotician said...
I still think NASA has a big institutional ego and to delay the release of 4500 pictures means has got to mean there's a debate going on somewhere.
Is it possible that the 'team' wth the photos only know that their Internal Deadlines have been extended ? Without really knowing the cause of the extension ?
---------
rhw007:
Yes NASA still has an immense ego, on an institutional level and also on an individual principle investigator level. There was a quote in the comic strip 'For Better or worse' by Lynn Johnston today..how appropo:
"Well the interesting thing about an inflated ego is it's more likely to help you sink than swim!"
NASA itself has sunk on a organizational level and lost many souls because of their culture of egotistical infallibility among the management which, as RCH has correctly pointed out in many articles, is under the influence of a secret agenda they try to follow in as much secrecy as possible.
As for principle investigators' egos sometimes I think it is just plain stinginess upon their part for releasing their precious data. They're Golum willing to do anything to hang on to their 'precious'. Most are their own 'secular priests' in their belief systems while remaining conciously blind to that fact themselves. An excellent example was Dr. Mike Malin of Malin Space Science Systems the PI of the MGS MOC. For more than 18 months beyond the scheduled PDS release data ( to keep this on topic---Deep Impact only has a 90 DAY 'embargo' on their data before turning it over to the PDS-so we'll see if they keep to their scheduled promises sooner than other Missions ) MSSS n Malin kept the data from the PDS public reason system. RCH and others led massive email, calls and snail mail to try to get this data released. I even went directly and spoke to then First Lady Hillary Clinton when I got the chance in May 2000:
http://www.commonsensecentral.com/csc_2001/hillary_clinton_visits_ccc.htm
http://tinyurl.com/d2ebk
36 hours later the first 10 data sets from the MGS MOC were dumped to the PDS public release system. It takes THAT kind of pressure to get NASA and it's PI's to simple do the following:
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgement of character.
It REALLY is that simple.
The LACK of any actions towards release of data by NASA/JPL/ESA of many important subjects we KNOW they have data for tells us more and more about the character of the organizations and people involved. They WANT to keep as much information from the public as possible. They also want to hinder the public from 'independant interpreting' that data that eventually must be released. And by no means have they released ALL the data these missions take. I'd make a bet that not ALL of the 4,500 images will be released, and that the data and software to interpret the spectra is NOT windows friendly, nor likely to be a GUI based software. More like the command line prompt ISIS 2.0 software that handled the MGS and Odyssey data and aslo the MERs for final calibrations and georectifications.
So even AFTER the spectra raw data is released, individual independant verification of what they say the data reveals will not be a walk in the park for enthusiasts in the public out here. It should be.
We know ESA has several opportune times to acquire Cydonia data with the MEX HRSC and yet...no release despite being 9 months past the first opportune time last November-December 2004. There were other opportunties through January. The MARSIS radar is active...seen even ONE single radar result, even the calibration ones? No. Sometimes it is just plain human egotistical stinginess. Sad...but brutally truthful.
and a last note to RCH...other than making old articles easier to find for newbies...I think the site is perfect. 'Sensationalist' is exactly the point! It is the only way to wake up the sheeple. I ask anyone here to ask friends of friends to get honest answers about how often THOSE people think of 'space related topics'. I'll think you'll find as I have...very very very few. So getting things across to 'newbies' requires that FACTS they've have kept hidden from (even though they themselves hadn't been searching for them) ARE very very important in the overall environment their lives are played out in.
Richard and others I apologise for the length of the response that would more appropo be in the Conference area...but it also needed to be said here.
Thanx again for ALL that you do.
Bob...:D
CommonSenseCentral
Hello everyone.This is my first post to your blog.
Speaking of stuff from ancient Egypt...I'm sure most of you have seen this before.However,for those of you that have not ....The Temple of Horus at Edfu Egypt looks suspiciously like a CPU.I have not seen it mentioned on Enterprise Mission though it may have been covered before and i missed it.
http://members.tripod.com/therev67/edfu_cpu/edfu-cpu.htm
Also....in the opening the lost tombs series that EM did here a while back...there were pictures of little gold model aircraft that had been found in Central America and coastal areas of South America.I found a webpage that singles out one model in particular and takes a very close look at it.It is amazing.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm
Thank you Richard, for the time and considerable effort that you(and others) put into looking for hidden truths.It is refreshing to know that there are others who want to see past the fairy tales that we are raised to believe.A lot of adults grow past the childrens fairy tales...but their minds never make it past the adult fairy tales.
Best Regards,Bradf_nc
Hello Richard
In Part 4 of your fascinating series on Iapetus you raised the intriguing possibility of past attempts at terra-forming Titan. Will you be following this up at some point?
I have been a regular visitor to your site for some years and love it - and the new blog. Thanks!
Geoff
New Zealand
Richard,
I hope that in this television series you are talking about, you will point them to Coral Castle. I have said before, but I will say it again - Coral Castle is the key. It isn't a multi-thousand year old monument of debatable origin - it was built, by one man, within the last century. Solve that mystery, and you solve them all.
Sherlock Holmes said that the exception disproves the rule. Coral Castle is right here, right now, defying everything science knows about science. It isn't an ancient monument belonging to someone else's culture. It's ours. It belongs to our culture, our time. Everything about it can be researched, verified, confirmed. We can say, today, without doubt, that it wasn't built by armies of slaves, or armies of craftsmen, or cranes and backhoes, or UFOs. It was built by one man.
How?
I had asked Dr Van Flandern over at Metaresearch.org a question about spinning the data. He said,that there is always some spin,but that there are competing teams out there that would keep each other honest. He also said that press releases would be limited due to commercial space journals/magazine submits by these competing teams, because they want to be certain of what the data is showing. He said that the lack of water plumes as expected was 'unexpected' by the classical model enthusiasts/scientists. http://www.metaresearch.org
Imperialism, including Exploration, has one policy for land ... another for gold. Land could be spun with Errors of Commission, Processed Maps and ignoring any indigenous order on the land. And it was. However, eventually the maps made it into the public domain because land requires settlers in order to pay off. Gold is a much different story.
I think there's gold in them there photos. Or perhaps dynamite.
What was NASA's position on the properties of comets prior to 2005 ?
What percentage of the space community believed NASA's position ?
and What percentage riduculed and mocked their dirty snowball theory ?
Even if comets were not planetary-security issues (which they definitely are), NASA has alot of prestige at stake, which is motive enough, but amplified by the instinct towards institutional preservation. The casual approach to releasing data gives them the opportunity. The comet issue might just expose the priest class at NASA - meaning the people who promote belief to solidify their own position - while knowing different or knowing nothing.
When I stayed awake to watch Dr. A'Hearn, I thought he spoke as a scientist. He was cryptic, but diplomats always are. Tact is not 'actionable' and I was genuinely impressed. Could Dr. Van Flandern be giving us enough insight to understand how the chess pieces within NASA can reach stalemate. Pit Team Protagonist against Team Antagonist.
If a black eye over comets causes NASA to lose face or the public to lose faith, 'the Agency' would face cut-backs. If you have a project proposal at NASA, scheduled for, say, Mars in 2030AD, would you sit idle ? In the name of careerism or self-preservation, scientists dependant on NASA (and wanting to be funded by NASA) would be reluctant to allow a sudden shift in our understanding of comets. It would be better for everyone at NASA if our change were a slow process.
Dr. A'Hearn didn't seem afraid to state the obvious, or state what we all saw : which was hard & dry rather than soft and wet. Perhaps he is outnumbered in a conference room somewhere ? That story about another mission to another comet in 2008 seemed bizarre, considering we are all waiting for spectra from this one ... could that be a carrot they're dangling ? It seems that another mission is the easiest way for NASA to get Dr. A'Hearn to say those all-important words like "inconclusive" and "needs more investigation".
Bob : I am indebted to anyone with a zero tolerance for delays that votes with their feet, wallet and keyboard. It's more than I can pretend to have done - though I recognize the need not to acquiesce the processing time. NASA builds its spacecraft with super-collider programs - why not disseminate their data that way ? How about that American tradition of co-creatorship ?
They owe us the data ... but why all the secrecy ? We wait for data solely so that the people who hold the joystick to the $333,000,000 battlebot and bullet can give us their conclusions at the same time they dispense the data.
Science is about asking and answering questions ... this hurry up an wait seems alot more "hurry hurry step right up" than a science fair. For the sake of their own credibility, if they have 30 complete out of 4,500, then hand them over and we'll be patient while the data trickles in. Perhaps the clock doesn't start for NASA until the 4,500 have all been completed - which is, coincidentally, just enough time to air-brush and cast a huge shadow of doubt over the neutrality of the whole project ... reminding people about past doubts and shenanigans.
Finally, I might be wrong, but it seems to me that water plumes would be pretty rare in places where it's so cold that water is a mineral.
All blame aside, we all want (need) a Space Agency that we can believe in.
Dear RCH:
You certainly are a busy man these days....Blogs, Movie deals, TV projects, TEM research, postulating on unreleased Deep Impact DATA, brainstorming on Buckyballs and your next IAPETUS installment(what are you up to now anyway, part 19.5?), authoring your sequel to "Monuments", responding to Blog posts, staying up late on C2C, fending off numerous "anonymous" critics AND going to the movies with Robin....HOW DO YOU HAVE TIME TO SLEEP???? Is Robin still spiking your Pepsi?(!)Amazing!
Richard, I would like to bring to your attention two recent "non" reports from the New York Times' Science section.
First and most recently - dated TUESDAY, JULY 5th 2005: NY TIMES Science Times "ON SATURN, CRAFT IS FINDING NEW WORLDS", by John Noble Wilford. The text of this article deals with Titan. But there is a photo montage titled "Many Moons, What the Saturn Probe Found". One of the photos is of Iapetus. It is the profile view showing the shadowed side on the upper right and the equatorial wall on the lower left. But guess what - the lower left is CROPPED (NOT SHOWN!). But the caption reads: "IAPETUS MOUNTAIN RANGE" and goes on..."Iapetus, the two-faced moon, has an equatorial mountain range on its dark side that is more than 12 miles high in some places". DUH! (As you are fond of saying.) SHOW US us the damn "mountain range"!! Also, why say it is on the "dark" side? Is that to divert attention from its omission from the photo? How interesting!
Second - from NY Times Science Times - TUESDAY MARCH 4th, 2004. Article by Kenneth Chang called "ON MARS, SIGNS OF WATER DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN SIGNS OF LIFE". (This article came on the heels of the latest NASA press conference re: Opportunity rover data indicating past water). The article goes on and on, telling us essential nothing new. Then out of left field in the very last paragraph we get: "...And in the last few years, some people, including the author Arthur C. Clarke, say NASA has photographic proof (of life). Sir Arthur says patterns seen near the Martian South Pole, which most scientists attribute to an interplay of ice and dust, are actually banyan trees." GIVE US A BREAK!!! Please, can the author simply show the images that he alludes to? (Of course he won't) Can he at least give us the web-link to the photos! (Again no, because he is implying that NASA "has" them! "Arthur's bushes" are available for all to see.
SHAME ON YOU - NY TIMES, for contributing to the DIS-information campaign and for not letting its readers judge content on its own merit. ONCE AGAIN, we are not sheep. (Baaah!)
I like to collect these examples of mainstream media butcher jobs, to show and impress upon my friends.(Great fun at parties....)
THANKS Richard - for everything you do to give open-minded individuals the access to the data "they" avoid showing us at all costs - and the chance to make up our own minds!
Best, Chops
Hello Mr Hoagland...
I left you a message before...is the Captain
listening to his 'crews' critiscism ? I
think he should....
As to your 'cosmic dilemma', are you aware
of the Mental Health situation that has been
going on for decades (see http://cchr.org ).
I think, no, now I KNOW, that certain actions
have not been taken on a mass level because
it has been medicated out of existence
by the Psychiatric Profession. Cosmic change
can bring up strange emotions, etc, but
this gets treated as madness ! (as I'm
sure your're aware having the term 'nut'
constantly slung at you from certain
quarters...).
I am convinced that this is part of a cosmic
puzzle....that the strange behaviour
exhibited by NASA is at least partly
attributable to this 'bizarrness' which
is a result of a distortion of the human
soul by criminal mis-managment by the
psychiatric profession...
Please don't discount this message Captain !
This is important imformation from ME to
YOU ! A member of your 'crew' sees a threat
and the fact that you may be missing it.
A Captain should always listen to his crew
should'nt he ?
Barney
Hello Richard
paoweb archive - Galactic Federation weekly update for Oct 22,2002:
http://www.paoweb.com/sn102202.htm
excerpt: " Yet another of our projects is to do for Uranus what we are now undertaking for Venus. Both these world's became 'catatonic' as a result of horrendous attacks. The forces of the Alliance destroyed Venus, while Uranus resisted the wide-ranging battle between the large warships. This eventually destroyed the main Alliance colonies on 'Maldek'(the present Asteroid Belt). A shot fired from a main weapon on this Galactic Federation battle planet accidentally struck Uranus, sending her into severe distress"......
hence her current 'wobble'...........
Major Global Announcements & a 'New Reality' (First Contact) Soon....
Best Regards
Thomas
Mr. Hoagland,
NASA has said, or had the other day, that the earliest it could launch was Sunday afternoon. Now I believe they are saying next Saturday. I understand that there are certain things that create a "launch window" for them. I have heard you and others on here, however, talk about certain celestial alignments that NASA launches and other events appear to be planned around. Have you had a chance to check for these specific alignments and if so, do you believe that is what is driving these possible launch times? Also, is it possible the lack of one of these celestial alignments is what caused them to abandon the previous attempt?
Keep up the good work! They can't hide the truth forever.
-Garold
turn off entertainment tonite turn off vh-1 turn off mtv and turn on to TEM!!! Where the hell else are you going to find an EDUCATION LIKE THIS? Answer: NOWHERE ELSE.
Garold,
>NASA has said, or had the other day, that the earliest it could launch was Sunday afternoon. Now I believe they are saying next Saturday. I understand that there are certain things that create a "launch window" for them. I have heard you and others on here, however, talk about certain celestial alignments that NASA launches and other events appear to be planned around. Have you had a chance to check for these specific alignments and if so, do you believe that is what is driving these possible launch times? Also, is it possible the lack of one of these celestial alignments is what caused them to abandon the previous attempt?<
Yes, we are looking very carefully at that. The original launch date was TOTALLY consistent with this "philosophy" -- which would have the Mission returning to Earth on July, 20th -- the Egyptian "Day of Resurrection." A most appropriate Masonic symbology for an Agency founded on Masonic ideas and astronomical alignments.
Then, something "happened" ... and the date was postponed.
When a new, firm date is actually announced, we'll look again .... :)
This is, of course, a side of NASA most people have NO IDEA actually, provably, exists. Great way to spend OUR money ....
How is it `provable' that NASA times its launches to coincide with astronomical events of `hyperdimensional' or Masonic significance?
Masons are part of a series of support cults that play off one another. Anything of significance to the Masons cannot be explained by the Masons - so "Masonic" is really an omnium gatherem term that includes Shriner's and others. Those who gave the Masons their sacred numbers probably knew a different physics than we know today. Whether that physics should be called hyperdimensional or not ... I'll leave that for RCH to explain. some are asking "who were those people" who gave the Masons their traditions and started the silly rumour that Masons control the world, or that God trusted the secrets of the Unviverse to Tavern Masonry ... the traditions people call "masonic" mask an earlier science and getting at that science is the thing.
Metrosideros Excelsus,
>How is it `provable' that NASA times its launches to coincide with astronomical events of `hyperdimensional' or Masonic significance?<
Simple: go here--
http://www.bob-wonderland.supanet.com/xfiles.htm
And read ALL the links, carefully. :)
Geoff,
>In Part 4 of your fascinating series on Iapetus you raised the intriguing possibility of past attempts at terra-forming Titan. Will you be following this up at some point?<
Yes, hopefully in Part 7 .... :)
Free CAD software!
http://www.x-cad.net/
Dear Captain,
I can certainly see how some of your
conspiracies could be true.
But I feel that you are ignoring other
facets of this situation to your dis-advantage.
Remember Voyager "Random Thought" when 7 of 9
disagrees with the Captain ? When any of her
crew give her advice that she does'nt sometimes want
to hear AT ALL (goes against her Starfleet
beliefs, etc?)...
What is going on here ? Please speak to
me ! This feels too important !
Barney
I jus read on a Dutch site that The Sunday Times claims that NASA has introduced the bacillis safensis bacteria on Mars with the rovers, unintentionally of course....
Breaking a treaty which basically says that is prohibited.
NASA says the chances it survived the trip and the conditions on Mars is reasonable to good.
dutch link:
http://www.nu.nl/news/558937/81/NASA_bracht_aardse_bacterie_naar_Mars.html
Did the NASA cometary model hold water in the case of the Shoemaker-Levy Collision with Jupiter? I seem to remember some astonishment on the part of JPL and NASA when the magnitude of the impacts were much greater than anticipated.
Oh Captain my Captain,
Love the insights, love the blog. Very thankful to have a way to interact with you. I'm wondering if you have a take on the stunning silence from the MARSIS team. I understand the ESA has NASA people controlling certain aspects of the mission...
From the Mars Express FAQ,
"Is NASA involved in Mars Express?
NASA scientists are deeply involved in one of Mars Express’s instruments, the radar MARSIS."
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMJBQXLDMD_0.html
...I had prepared myself for silence, but not a months worth. I also had higher hopes for The ESA iself being more open with it's findings but they have been muzzled it seems...
Awaiting your reply Captain.
Hello Richard, good to see you reaching out in such a direct manner. I know this is what you always wanted but couldn't find a proper format. I hope the blog will prove to be practical.
So far Nasa's Deep Impact site is still not showing much today I see. In the mean time here's what I just found at the ESO site.
ESO Press Release July 14th
Interesting excerpts: "From the current analysis, it appears most likely that the impactor did not create a large new zone of activity and may have failed to liberate a large quantity of pristine material from beneath the surface." and "Further spectropolarimetric observations with FORS1 have confirmed the surface of the comet to be rather evolved - as expected - but more importantly, that the dust is not coming from beneath the surface. These data constitute another unique high-quality data set on comets."
Another link to an interview with Olivier Hainaut, the head of Paranal Science Operations and specialist of minor bodies in the solar system which gives a peek into how at least this scientists has experienced the event.
Space.com is becomming MORE of a joke. They wrote a storya bout the Debate on UFO'S. Then proceeded to give a one-sided piece..
What is the point of this story?
http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_shostak_ufo_050714.html
That article is not much of a debate at all, is it? Remember this is the same site which declared; "Life On Mars" - only later to say; well, sorta.
Is it just me or do those ESA FAQ answers seem overly defensive when it comes to image questions...?
Space.com has a public agenda that isn't going very well (reporting on Space) but being wrong is not a literary crime anymore.
Let's hope their private agenda is working better now they've got pop-up ads at their site :-)
Djbarney,
Sorry, I meant to respond to your fascinating point earlier ... but something happened (the computer froze and I lost what I was writing. Then, the phone rang and, well ... you know how that is ...). :)
Anyway, your point -- that our population is being "drugged into stupification" -- while an overstatement, does describe the potential problem ....
The average American household todays turns to "a pill" to "alleviate depression," to "control anxiety," to REALLY control "too-active children," to "solve" being overweight, to cure "being unable to sleep," etc., etc., etc.
Whether the side effects of all this medication is a less-than-curious-population, I don't know. I do know that Big Pharma (as my significant other refers to them) will push ANY pill it can on the American people ... as long as they can make a buck.
That's the entire "CODEX" nightmare (see Robin's "guest blog"): that, ultimately, we'll have to go to them for ALL "medications" -- even aspirin -- as they effectively eliminate all natural (and in many instances, far more effective) competition -- which, of course, dows not come with these potential side effects.
In fact, your theory (if I understand it correctly -- that there has been a DELIBERATE, covert "mind control" medication program for our entire society ... to make us all more passive and suggestable ...) gives a whole new insight into why CODEX has been pushed so relentlessly ... and has been slowly creeping up on us politically for over 40 years ....
It would not be hard at all to slip "other medications" into the over-the-counter flood of these "readily-available-problem-solvers," would it? I mean, who'd be checking ... the FDA??!! Look at how their "oversight" has been TOTALLY ineffective in the Viox situation, and several others, recently ....
H-m-m-m-m.
You should REALLY make a careful and documented post on this in Robin's comment thread to CODEX and CAFTA .... I'll tell her that you're going to do just that.
Just saw this article re bacteria sent to Mars via the rover spacecrafts. Of course it was an accident.....
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1697332,00.html
ZeroAlbedo,
>Did the NASA cometary model hold water in the case of the Shoemaker-Levy Collision with Jupiter? I seem to remember some astonishment on the part of JPL and NASA when the magnitude of the impacts were much greater than anticipated.<
It wasn't the magnitude of the impact effects which surprised NASA ... it was (again) the lack of WATER!!
And, they managed to downplay that pretty effectively ... by simply waiting to publish the spectra until public interst had gone away. Seems they're using this tactic again .... :)
Isn't it interesting that the more you shed light on the possibilities, and the more realistic these possibilities seem, the quieter that NASA becomes. Their inability or reluctance to produce any spectral images and their silence, speaks volumes. Either they just don't know, or they have found out things they don't want to tell us. Maybe the data will completely discredit all the spin they have fed to everybody over the years and they are just a bit reluctant to admit they really don't know squat, about the 'big' picture.
Deejee,
>Interesting excerpts [from ESO release]: "From the current analysis, it appears most likely that the impactor did not create a large new zone of activity and may have failed to liberate a large quantity of pristine material from beneath the surface." and "Further spectropolarimetric observations with FORS1 have confirmed the surface of the comet to be rather evolved - as expected - but more importantly, that the dust is not coming from beneath the surface. These data constitute another unique high-quality data set on comets."<
A rather resounding vote for Van Flandern's model, wouldn't you say: deep, dusty surface (from the trillions of dust particles created in the original explosion, eventually falling to the surfaces of all the larger objects, such as Tempel 1 ...), which the Deep Impact 6-mile-per-second collision effectively blasted off that surface forever into space ... in an expanding cloud, which Earth-based telescopes (like ESO's) could analyze, and determine from mid-IR spectroscopy came from an "evolved surface."
Translation: trillions of tiny, dust-mote-sized fragements of a former "planetary CRUST!!!" :)
And, no "pristine" undersurface on the comet either ... because the material blasted directly from Tempel 1 itself (out of the excavated crater) also turned out to be "highly evolved" ... i.e. from the "highly differentiated," major, ~5-mile fragment of a former continent ... or another, similar piece of battered planetary crust ... from THE SAME EXPLODED PLANET!!
Ain't REAL science cool .... :)
Robert,
>Space.com is becomming MORE of a joke. They wrote a storya bout the Debate on UFO'S. Then proceeded to give a one-sided piece..<
>What is the point of this story?<
Desperation .... ;)
Hmmm.
There might be all sorts of reasons why the data has been put in the "top men are working on it room. But there is something yet to be said, and probably should not be said -
At the risk of sounding loony? More at the risk of giving the wrong people ideas.
I think the US government will pehaps have told NASA to shut up about Deep Impact because they just want the whole thing out of the public eye.
Why? The kinetic weapon proved super-effective.
Richard,
I'm not sure which I've enjoyed more - your analysis of the NASA fiasco or the on-going commentary associated with this entry. Thanks for making sense of it all.
Jeff in Jawja
Jeff,
There's more to come ... check our latest. :)
Chris,
>There might be all sorts of reasons why the data has been put in the "top men are working on it room. But there is something yet to be said, and probably should not be said -<
> ... The kinetic weapon proved super-effective.
Nice ... but no cigar.
This technology is not exactly "secret": the modern version of the targeting system that led Deep Impact to its successful collision the other night is in ALL cruise missile "terminal guidance" systems (just look at the on-board missile TV releases from the Pentagon, from the first Gulf War ...); and the more ancient versions of this type of "kinetic energy weapon" were known as the CATAPAULT ... and were used very effectively by the Saracens (the distant Arab "relatives" of the modern Bin Laden crowd ...) against the Templers, to knock holes in entire castles about 1000 years ago ....
Sorry, no "real" secrets here. Kinetic energy has been known for a LONG time as an effective weapon ....
No, the REAL secrets of the Deep Impact Mission are about its target ... and are MUCH more interesting ... and important.
Stay tuned. :)
Dear Richard Hoagland :-)
So you get that freezing thing as well ? I think there's a reason
for that but I'll leave that to last cu's it's a little
unbelievable....
I'll certainly find this other BLOG ! Thanks !
I'm still considering your reply cus' I'm rather tired
(going on holiday in the next few days !)...
But I can only mention again what I DO know from my own
experience....that these drugs act to take away your
desire to get out of bad situations ! I'm biased because
I'm actually suffering from a condition bought on by a
medication many years ago... (see link at end)...
But I believe, at the moment anyway, that this medication
problem has got so serious that that industry has actually
ended up effecting PSYCHIC parts of the brain, thay 'they'
of course will not admit exist. I DON'T actually think this
is another conspiracy, just a very sad mistake, but a serious
one...(ALTHOUGH IT CAN END UP LOOKING _LIKE_ SOME KIND OF MIND CONTROL PROJECT)...I think these drugs are effecting something that is
OUTSIDE our PARADIGM..which makes it very difficult to get at
...they don't understand, niether do many other people...
...but I really do believe...that these drugs have so badly
effected the psychic well being of mankind that it's
creating 'an anomaly' in 'the force'...and hence computers
freezing and wierd things happening at certain moments (at
moments of insight, or so it seems).
We're caught in a kind of paradox....these drugs and the whole
attitude of the mental health professions are effecting things
outside of their knowledge base, so they can 'never' understand
...it can never be explained.
Now a Psychiatrist would say at this point that I'm becoming
paranoid and delusional !
I'd say ... "EXACTLY ! You would say that!"
I'm just 'a member of Starfleet'
who has noticed peculiar anomalies and is trying to put
the pieces of the puzzle together....
This could turn into a whole discussion in it'self could'nt
it ? Maybe you should contact me privately ? Maybe this is
more valuable in the open...don't know yet...have to get on
my holiday (Cornwall) :-)
Barney
(see http://communities.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=32;t=000043;p=1#000005
)
Berney,
I strong recommend that you contact Robin (see her "guest blog"), as this is part of her experience as well: that certain "mental health" conditions diagnosed by the mainstream professional community as "untreatable" are actually totally ammenable to alternative nutritional therapies -- such as "orthomolecular medicine."
The fact that the massive (if inadvertant) "dosing of America" with simple over-the-counter medications for a variety of perceived problems, could also be having adverse affects on a variety of mental health functions -- including "psi abilities" -- I find quite plausible. However, without controlled experiments ... how would we know?
Except, of course, by the gross CHANGING behavior of society itself ....
Hey, THIS could explain how we relected the President ... and promptly his favarable poll ratings "fell through the floor" .... :)
Anyway, you'll find Robin's discussions of these medical/societal implications in the "July 4th Surprise" Blog -- on this site.
Hey, THIS could explain how we relected the President ... and promptly his favarable poll ratings "fell through the floor" .... :)
That doesn't require anything so esoteric as dosing the masses. All you need is the password to the vote counting software, a couple of CIA plants (each) at the NYT and WP, and Fox News - the rest is gravy.
Jeff,
>That doesn't require anything so esoteric as dosing the masses. All you need is the password to the vote counting software, a couple of CIA plants (each) at the NYT and WP, and Fox News - the rest is gravy.>
I was being slight facitious .... :)
I live in (as everyone knows) New Mexico -- supposedly one of "the red states." I see a LOT of Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers (still) for President/Vice-President ....
I have yet to see ONE Bush/Cheny sticker .... Really!!
Yet, they "won" the state!! (Oh, I forgot, it's all that Bush Native American vote ....)
I was and still am HIGHLY suspicious of the current electronic voting systems. It makes it almost like taking candy from the preverbial baby, to "take" an entire election ... and with NO paper trail!!?? Yeah, right.
And, again, Americans simply accepted this as "the new reality."
That's why I'm looking hard at Barney's theory .... :)
The alternative is that we've all become TOTAL idiots in this Country, on EVERYTHING ....
Richard,
if a gravitational wave was created equal in power to the gravitational constant of dynamic and active planet-one with a non solid interior-couldnt that destablize the mechanisms that hold said planet together. How much power would it take to destroy a planet(not that i have any plans)?
I think that gravity and elctromagnatism is interrelated. Once i figure out how I will figure out how to use elctromagnetism to create gravity.
I will let you do the math for me.
as for spelling I dont think I have much of chance of figuring that out.
Richard,
Heard you on coast last night over the net...you spawned a few thoughts and questions?
Do you ever feel like Bruno, Copernicus or Galileo going up against the established order?
If all space rocks are the same, are we now saying that some rocks have atmospheres and others do not?
So then comets have atmospheres? or in other words comets could contain biospheres? of course this flies in the face of needing a large enough mass to hold in an atmosphere...but if you had some sort of field generator...then...
Well then again all this would make a real nice science fiction story. Or is that where I should look?
Richard,
>We should talk. A major television network has come to us, seeking information on the best experts
>in "ancient engineering and technology," to be part of a major series encompassing our research, Van Flandern's etc.
Very interesting. I look forward to seeing it. I'm giving you two links that I posted on EM's forum some time ago:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/166869.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2975862.stm
Essentially, the fossil/geological record as well as genetic analysis of human DNA both point to a 'bottleneck' event in human history about 70,000 years ago. One says that the human population dropped to about 15,000 and the other (genetic) says that the population dropped to about 2,000. Today's six billion people have very little genetic diversity since we are all descended from those survivors.
The point that I ask is that if humans can go from a primitive population of 2000 to a space faring race of six billion in 70,000 years, then, since humans have been around for ~190,000 years, what were we doing for the first 120,000 years?!
Zeus
God Bless STS-114
why is it so hard to understand that to really go anywhere in space you will need a gravity genorator, they can be made, they are easy to make. and they will take our people to the stars AGAIN.
the usa has a couple of these generators in alexandria va.
while these are smaller than what will be needed they are perfect examples of what we as men can do.
clean, self sustaining, and not a ticking time bomb if a pc of foam hits them.
LETS GO HOME BOYS AND GIRLS,
Let's reinvent and reinterpret things to come up with some scheme. RCH folks, is no more than a snake oil salesman.
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