Deep Impact ... Deepening Doo Doo ....
In the 1980's, to the endless amusement of the pundits and the press (those folks again ...), Mr. Bush had the misfortune to refer to some of his political problems as "getting into deep doo doo ...." The press have never let him forget it .... Nor has Dana Carvey, of "Saturday Night Live."
As I write this, NASA seems to have found some of George Bush's left over "doo doo" ... flying around its recently "completed" Deep Impact Mission to Comet Tempel 1.
The "doo doo" is now getting noticably deep ....
Just five days ago, in an interview with Space.com -- done ten days after the spectacular climax of the Deep Impact Mission, Sunday night, July 3rd -- Donald Yeomans, Supervisor of the Solar System Dynamics Group at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in Pasadena, California, and a member of the Deep Impact Science Team, was quoted as definitely affirming that the cameras aboard the Fly-by spacecraft--
"... have shown their abilities to provide impressive imaging [emphasis added]."
"NASA's Deep Impact may fail to live up to its billing as the first mission to look inside a comet. Computer processing designed to correct the spacecraft's defocused camera cannot fully correct the images taken just after impact. If the situation cannot be rectified, there will be no way of seeing the newly formed crater - one of the mission's major goals [emphasis added] ...."
OK, which is it:
"Impressive imaging" ... or, "hopelessly defocused pictures?!"
The New Scientist article goes on:
"... Scientists had hoped to use the flyby spacecraft to see the bottom of the resulting crater in order to glimpse the comet's interior composition. They also wanted to see the crater's sides to look for layering, rather like the geological strata on Earth ...."
"... Glimpse the comet's interior composition ...?"
What is this -- a Saturday Night Live skit?!
Composition is measured by "spectroscopy" not "images" -- a small detail never mentioned in the entire New Scientist article!
Instead, Deep Impact's Principal Investigator, Michael A'Hearn is quoted as supporting the article's main premise:
"Even if the crater images are lost, A'Hearn believes the mission was a great success. 'Our view is that we went to a new place and have done exciting new science, just perhaps not as much as we had hoped,' he says [emphasis added]."
What's most astonishing about this piece-- more than the startling contradictions between Yeomans and A'Hearn over the quality of the imaging -- is, again, the complete lack of any mention of that far more crucial instrument aboard Deep Impact:
The infrared spectrometer!
An instrument which Yoemans also underscored in the earlier Space.com piece-
"... has also performed beautifully [emphasis added]."
For, despite A'Hearn's obvious attempt to "lower expectations" as to what Deep Impact really saw on Tempel 1, the fact is that it would have been the spectrometer -- not the cameras -- which returned the most critical, quantative science data on what we were told all along was The Reason for this entire Mission: to observe and record what came out of Tempel 1 on Impact!
To someone not knowing that NASA had just flown a washing-machine-sized spacecraft directly into a Comet, at 6 miles per second -- and had thereby blown an immense quantity (tens of thousands of tons is one estimate ...) of interior material far out into space -- reading A'Hearn's latest, carefully worded statement in New Scientist would give the distinct impression that he and his colleages still "haven't a clue" as to what happened after Impact that night -- based on the (now) "too fuzzy, and probably irretrievable, Deep Impact pictures" -- and probably never will!!
Lost in this deliberate "spin," of course, is the fact that Deep Impact was NOT "a fly-by mission of the Moon, or Mars, or even a Saturnian satellite ..." -- where the spacecraft would have looked down on a long-dead surface, seen lots and lots of craters ... of a variety of sizes and depths -- and attempted to reconstruct what happened to produce them (indeed, from measuring their sizes and depths) "billions of years ago!"
Instead, we were there -- live! -- that Sunday night two weeks ago, courtesy of NASA TV ... as the enormous energies of the NASA Impactor visibly blasted the guts out of Tempel 1 ... spewing those tens of thousands of tons of Comet across hundreds of thousands of miles for everyone to "O-o-o-o" and "A-h-h-h-h" about.
All the while, a highly crafted and specifically designed spectrometer, carried on the Fly-by spacecraft -- a precision instrument created to provide precisely the unique chemical composition information A'Hearn and company were seeking from their (our!) $333 million dollar experiment -- was watching and recording each millisecond of this Event from close range ... which got closer and MUCH more detailed, as the spacecraft swept past the Comet only 300 miles away 14 minutes later ... as the interior cloud blasted out of it by the Impact expanded past the Fly-by spacecraft ... forever into deep space.
To NOT mention this 'little detail" in this article -- that somewhere on Earth there now exists an exquisite compositional record of exactly what this Comet is made of -- but to leave the reader with the deliberate impression that, because "the images are a bit blurry," Deep Impact cannot tell us what it went all that way to find out ... is grossly incompetent science reporting at best--
Or, part of a deliberate and increasingly desperate NASA effort to hide what REALLY happened Sunday night ... in a cloud of ever expanding "doo doo" ... at worst!
Stay tuned.
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100 Comments:
Richard:
Where is the media inquiry (mainstream or scientific) on this lack of released data? Why aren't reporters from the news outlets pressuring NASA like it was a typical DC-based political story? Is it because they truely don't know what to ask or is it a fear of some nature?
What are your thoughts?
Keep up this tremendous effort. You and your team are the best!
Mr. Hoagland;
I am so utterly fascinated with your comments! I can’t even imagine how difficult it must have been to launch the Deep Impact probe and steer it within yards of a target traveling many thousands of miles per hour. All this using radio control? They took pictures all the way down too! They got photos from the mother craft which was passing swiftly by. Reams of data which will take years to analyze was collected. This is the first time we even come close to doing something like this. And you fuss about *one* disappointing failure? That they have not gotten a good photo of the impact crater? (Not yet anyway.)
This reminds me of a line from the Monty Python movie, Life of Brian.
EX-LEPER:
Thank you, sir. Thanks-- Half a denary for me bloody life story?
BRIAN:
There's no pleasing some people.
EX-LEPER:
That's just what Jesus said, sir.
Richard,
Perhaps it would be helpful for you to generate some approximate plot of what you would expect the infrared spectrum of the comet material to look like , as based on Van Flandern's ideas of them being pieces of exploded planet. So you might show what lines would be produced by iron, nickel, silicon, etc.
The Odd Emperor's colourful putdown is not of any value here in the context, even of debate. So, you cynical reprobate, me thinks you exist only to negate.
Be careful poison pill, you may experience some heart burn.
Odd,
I'm more inclined to another Python skit, about a dead parrot. Only it's NASA trying to sell the dead parrot.
Or, if you prefer, NASA is like the Black Knight - pointlessly guarding a road and challenging all who dare to cross the bridge. Then refusing to admit that he's got no legs.
Look, strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system of scientific exploration. True science derives from open study and a free and lively debate, not from some farcical quasi-Egyptian resurrection ceremony.
What also floats? A church. Very small moons. A DUCK. So, if a comet weighs as much as a duck, then, it's made of dirty snow, and therefore, A WITCH!
Alright, since we're using Monty Python to express ourselves here, I have one for ya!
This whole cover up makes me feel like the fat guy in the meaning of life:
Waiter: And how are you today sir?
Large man: Better
Waiter: Better?
Large man: Better get me a bucket, I have to throw up.
I do, in fact, recognize the feat that NASA has accomplished with Deep Impact. I recognize the immense effort that it took to pull that off. You have to wonder how the team involved feels about the fact that their success has now got to be dampened in the press and none of them can share in the immense glory that they deserve, and for what? Because someone at NASA thinks they found something that the general public can't take?
It can't be any worse than the face on mars, and they have somehow managed to cover that one up, at least as far as the general (blind ass bats) public is concerned.
Ugh, where's that bucket anyway?
Iontruo2;
Perhaps someone needs to offer another point of view once and a while? It seems to me that to debate, one needs that or do you in fact have another definition? If you find no value to the act of questioning I say, fine and dandy! You can dance to whatever music you wish, I dance to my own.
I think it’s a pity that dreams of humanity, travel to other worlds and learning how the Cosmos works are being dashed by people who are invariably negative to the those actually doing it. Is that wrong? If so I think *you* are wrong sir.
Sincerely-- the poison pill.
The Odd Emperor.
February 2006: release of data to public consumption. Per Deep Impact liason Elizabeth Warner.
They should call this guy A'Hole instead of the given name A'Hearn! What a con job. Richard, do you honestly expect honesty out of NASA?
If you all go to the website, thunderbolts.info, click on "picture of the day" , you will see a neat little summary of what 2 guys named Wallace and Thornhill pridicted for "Deep Impact" results and their analysis so far of what happened. It is rather specific and even though the focus of their hypothesis centers on the electrical exchange between Tempel 1 and the solar wind, their basic conclusion about the composition of comets is the same as Hoagland's and Van Flandern's - they are rocks and not "dirty snowballs".
Richard,
Let’s assume that NASA is trying to hide spectrometer data and confuse the public with the stories about fuzzy pictures. It seems pretty easy to do since I don’t think general public cares one way or another and probably doesn’t even remember any more what this mission was about. The question is. How can they pull this off in front of the professionals? There are scientists outside of NASA that are waiting for this data just like the rest of us. Is that correct or am I missing something? If these scientists have not seen anything either wouldn’t they be asking NASA for this data? I don’t seem to understand what the game plan is here. Are you saying NASA will never release spectrometer data? If they will eventually, then how does a release delay make a difference?
Thanks.
"the odd emporer"
You seem to be missing the point (as I understand it). It does not matter how long it takes them to analyze the data, WE want the data NOW. We do not need them to analyze it, just give it to us.
To Anon-a-moose;
RE. It does not matter how long it takes them to analyze the data, WE want the data NOW. We do not need them to analyze it, just give it to us.
Really! You are qualified to analyze radio telemetry from a comet impact probe?
I’d wager that the stuff isn’t even readable without some specialized decryption steps. Do you really want several MB of random numbers dropped in your lap? I don’t have pertinent data on modern stuff but I know the old Pioneer probes were all running on hand written software. I suspect the modern probes are much the same.
No, I cannot interpret the data and never said that I could, but other people outside of NASA can.
Where are the hackers? Gary McKinnon we need you!
A quick question to get staight to the point:
Didn't anyone other than NASA capture the raw data as it was transmitted to Earth?
I was just radio waves afterall.
I know, NASA probably controls most of the dishes but Russia or some other country must have received something.
From that point anyone can get the information with a little (ok, maybe a lot of) work. Believe it or not, decryption is not that big a deal. It is not the magic box most people think it is. From what I hear, most scientific probes do not overly encrypt anything anyways since it takes computing time that the probe cannot usually spare. Figuring out the data structure once decripted is a little more laborious. Any university worth its salt (or an association with connections to the proper NASA-unaffiliated scientists) should be able to do it.
If we are not listening we have no one to blame than ourselves for not hearing anyting.
Whatever happened to McCain looking into some of this 'waste?' Or is he being distracted as well?
The same people who brought you Mars Observer and Mars Polar Lander finally hit the broad side of a comet.. and nothing's happening! You'd think they'd be trumpeting it to the high heavens by now. And when they landed the probe on Eros, couldn't they have done it in a way that would have left the cameras facing UP or at least parallel to the surface so we could have the world's most expensive security camera running for a while?
Were there ever any Masonic / Hyperdimensional connections to the Ranger and Surveyor probes? With all this talk about returning to the Moon to snap Polaroids of some mirrors and abandoned rovers, it seems awfully interesting to look back to when NASA was trying to hit the broad side of.. well, you know..
I prefer to compare what NASA and the corporations behind these projects are doing to dealing with a child... don't want them to have that cookie or to explain the birds and the bees right now...
Diversion, and pacify.
Take the attention off the real issue and put it on something that has no relevance. (Toys, TV...etc.)
We as Americans are pacified by TV, MP3 players, great new cell phones, etc. and conditioned by big media (ie. the TOP NEWS STORY or HEADLINE NEWS) in that example you are even told, although sly-ly, what the "most important" story of the day is.
Gas prices... in a consistant pattern they raise them 20 cents and drop them 10 and repeat. Pretty soon you are saying to yourself...."Well, at least it's only $2.40 a gallon and not $2.60"
It goes on and on and it's conditioning through Spin.
Not just about the comet issue, it goes for anything and everything.
Diversion and pacify... even if you don't wanna suck on it, they'll get you to.
Until this country wakes up (as thinking people) and starts questioning the way things run, this behavior will only continue...
But hey Richard, all this keeps those books and DVD's selling and definately has a positive impact on web site traffic... huh?
See... even the good guys are profiting from the "I'll let someone else think for me" American behavior.
Richard,
I may have missed this..but isn't nasa reconfiguring the probe to do a flyby of another
"comet" in 2008? if the imaging and spectrometer equipment are
"faulty" , wouldn't that negate the second trip and render the probe fairly useless?
has anything anomolous even been found in studying the asteroid belt itself?
from hubble, chandra or ground based equipment?
So Richard...what do you think they are hiding and what would it's effect be on Earth, its people, etc etc?
Justin,
Good point, but...
The Audience (America) is listening.
But it's the wrong channel.
Richard,
You got to start running again your analysis on stellar alignments and how they correlate to what NASA does. What you have put out in the past was simply "gold". Please come back to your "roots". Ok, I’m kidding a little not your roots, but that stuff was just priceless and complemented your work very nicely.
Thanks.
the odd emporer said, "This reminds me of a line from the Monty Python movie, Life of Brian"
Not to let the thread wane, I submit the words of King Arthur, from 'Holy Grail', as regards NASA's behavior to what is most probably some shocking spectra revelations:
"On second thought, let's NOT go to Camelot. Tis a silly place!"
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professor x said, "There are scientists outside of NASA that are waiting for this data just like the rest of us. Is that correct or am I missing something? If these scientists have not seen anything either wouldn’t they be asking NASA for this data? I don’t seem to understand what the game plan is here. Are you saying NASA will never release spectrometer data? If they will eventually, then how does a release delay make a difference?"
My take: To question the "court", the kings of the astro-science community, is potential carreer suicide for fringe astronomers in this day and age. Get too demanding, and you might get cursed with the blackball label of "conspiracist", or worse. In this very peer-review-driven industry, one is undoubtedly apt to "wait it out", to wait for the official spin, before profering up one's two cent's worth. The damage that "rocking the boat" can do to one's career is simply not worth it.
And NASA/JPL knows it.
"then how does a release delay make a difference?" In six months or longer, even the "internet space geeks" will have lost the impassioned interest for daily visits to the Deep Impact sites. What stands to be lost here, is the "control" NASA maintains over the minds of the members of our space science communities, as concerns "troublemakers" such as Hoagland and VanFlanderan. Because, if even a small probability exists that the "Exploded Planet Hypothesis" is correct, it will unleash a cascade of all the other suppositions that accompany it. And if THOSE suppositions are addressed, (such as the probabilities that there are ancient off-earth ruins scattered around our solar system, the mathematical encoding of a radically-more-complete and empowering "hyper-dimensional" physics in said ruins, and a "new" revised history of our Human species and it's REAL origins), all hell could break loose!
Folks might then start asking REALLY sticky questions!
agreed koby, its seems we are on the verge
of getting "N.A.S." or the black shakes of johhny
mnemonic(william gibson) hehe.
somethings got to give here pretty soon.
The mainstream press has no interest in investigating NASA. Nor do they understand it's importance. They are too busy writing about things that only BUG THEM. SUV rollovers, smokers, Carl-Rove-Is-Satan and grinding whatever axe suits them. This is just too substancial for our press.
NASA scientists appear to use the press' ignorance against them. From space.com to the newscientist it appears to always work.
That is - except here! :)
From Michael F. A'Hearn home page:
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~ma/
Deep Impact
On 7 July 1999 NASA announced the selection of our Deep Impact mission to be the eighth flight in the Discovery Program. On 23 May 2001, the mission was confirmed to go into the construction phase (phase C/D in NASA jargon). The project underwent its Critical Design Review Jan 29-31, 2002. The instruments were handed over to the spacecraft team in August 2003 for integration into the spacecraft. The complete flight system then went through its environmental tests and was shipped to Florida in October 2004. Launch occurred on 12 January 2005 and commissioning will continue for about a month.
Some details about the mission are on our Deep Impact web pages http://deepimpact.umd.edu/home/index.html. These pages are still being developed and more information will be added to them regularly. Several PowerPoint presentations about Deep Impact are available. Here are a few - one that was presented at the Erice Workshop at the Ettore Majorana Center for Science and Culture in summer 2001 and another that was presented in June 2002 at a Meudon Workshop on the interior structure of small bodies. More recent presentations include one that I have used as the basis for several recent talks and one that Karen Meech gave as a colloquium at ESO. For now, they are available only as binary Power Point files. BEWARE: The files are about 15 to 17 MBytes each so don't download them unless you have plenty of storage space and bandwidth. A recent short paper presented at the IAU General Assembly in July 2003 is also available.
The Odd Emperor wrote:
> This is the first time we even come close to doing something like this.
> And you fuss about *one* disappointing failure?
> That they have not gotten a good photo of the impact crater? (Not yet anyway.)
This is a strawman argument (framed in a sweet lemon rationalization for bonus points).
Hoagland's central complaint is not the lack of a crater photo. It is the lack of SPECTROGRAPH data. Considering this point has been made dozens of times in the blogs and comments, I can only conclude you are either a) deliberately trying to mislead people with deceptive arguments, or b) are incredibly dense.
Brian
To Odd Emperor:
-From his writings I could reasonably assume that he would like a circus, a dog and pony show as apposed to research.-
This example of yours is not the basis of anything called debate. Thats just a personal slam, simply a negation of RCH. Send him some real, and tough questions, not just insult, he seems sharp as a tack, I'm sure he can walk His talk. There is some great path of "enquiry" here amongst these other comments, and the critisisms of NASA are sound. Anyone familiar with procedures sees a disjointed appearance from NASA. No cohesive communication, at least to the larger and equally bright science community, demonstrating some obvious contradictions and double speak, and an inward turning impulse as whole. Time for real shareability of knowledge with right conduct. Science can be En-lightened and work with clarity.
Anonymous,
>Where is the media inquiry (mainstream or scientific) on this lack of released data? Why aren't reporters from the news outlets pressuring NASA like it was a typical DC-based political story? Is it because they truely don't know what to ask or is it a fear of some nature?<
Please see my previous blog of yesterday: "Deep Impact ... Deeper Denial."
My experience at CBS News provides some perspective on this curious situation. And, yes, I even discussed Carl Rove .... :)
These contradictions are startling regardless of how one may view NASA. We definitely deserve to know what the spectrometer has found; just one allusion to it by A'Hearn and company in these weeks following impact would be a welcome relief... it surely seems they're trying to sweep it under the rug.
Dr. Hoagland, I hope you've got a plan in mind, because we really need to put the mainstream focus back on NASA to hold them accountable. I believe we're on the verge of transcending paradigm, and the balance needs to be tipped our way.
Richard,
NASA must have an appropriations committee that it has to 'sit-up, beg and roll-over' for in DC to get its funding. Maybe we can bend the collective ear of the committee members via email and copy some selective news outlets on those emails?
Publish a list and let your public base go to work. What can it hurt?
Regards.
ZeroAlbedo and Jeff,
I DO have a plan in mind for changing this deplorable situation. It just needs a bit more time to coordinate successfully with "Coast" -- which is, of course, a major national mass media outlet.
And, yes, it will entail a MAJOR public campaign of faxes, phone calls and e-mails ... to the RIGHT folks.
Stay tuned. :)
looking at this from a Theological point of view and somewhat more curiously, Mark 13:1 states: "As he was going out of the temple one..."
In a Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Bible, there is no comma between temple and one.
Strange, as this Chapter and verse are are Jesus's parable of the last days.
After extensive internet and bible research, this verse is only in the WTBTS bible 'Without' a comma or ',' between temple and one.
Also, Isiah 66:6 is a little more worrying:
6 There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.
Well, I guess, like all of you I'm intrigued as to why NASA cant give out the spectrometer readings from the satellite after all, these are simple a light signature of the contents of the comet, and this should be a few big but discernable and scientifically readable data, by most people...
After research, though, I did find a site that had looked at the data in part, a center in Hawaii. The team analysing the comet Temple 1's data stated, that the powder or dust, being expelled by comet Temple 1, "was as fine as sand, like that on the beaches in Hawaii"
Sand and silicate material are abundant throughout our earth, also as a side thought, and looking at the strange properties of cilicates and crystals, both are used in the manufacture of computers.
The clock syncronising every chip and component on a circuit board, comes from running a current over a cyrstal which oscilates at a given frequency, hence the resulting pulse is used to syncronise the data processing.
Sand eh?
Look forward to hearing NASA stammer over what they find...
PS did anyone notice the Pictures of the Sun from 18th to today?
I have copies from NASA's UMBRA website if anyones intriged?
Jason
jasgrave333@hotmail.com
Defocused cameras..didn't you just know it was coming???
>Defocused cameras..didn't you just know it was coming???<
Macain did - that's why he went off to make an utterly stupid movie. He could care less...
Just wondering have any of the previous public campaigns worked to get the results you wanted? I have a theory that they only work to a certain degree.
The Odd Emperor,
>I am so utterly fascinated with your comments! I can’t even imagine how difficult it must have been to launch the Deep Impact probe and steer it within yards of a target traveling many thousands of miles per hour. All this using radio control? They took pictures all the way down too! They got photos from the mother craft which was passing swiftly by. Reams of data which will take years to analyze was collected. This is the first time we even come close to doing something like this. And you fuss about *one* disappointing failure? That they have not gotten a good photo of the impact crater? (Not yet anyway.)<
There are many ways I could answer your criticisms of our latest blog -- sincere ... sarcastic ... ironic ... with humor .... Or--
Seriously.
Let's try serious:
For starters, it is obvious you are telling the absolute truth when you state, you "can't even imagine ...." You seem somewhat easily impressed with "big numbers," but apparently lack the context to put them in perspective. You have obviously "bought" with little independent thinking (or research) another consistent NASA mis-direction: "this is the FIRST time we've EVER done this .... This space business is S-O-O-O-O difficult ...."
Fortunately, you don't have to "imagine." We have excellent, INDEPENDENT examples of precisely what the Deep Impact Team accomplished the other night, and how "difficult" it was -- and in the public domain.
To begin with: the "extreme difficulty" of what the Deep Impact Team accomplished -- "steering by radio control an object, traveling at many thousands of miles per hour, into another object ... all the while televising in 'real time' a stream of television images back ..." -- WAS REPEATEDLY, SUCCESSFULLY CARRIED OUT OVER TEN YEARS AGO ... AND BEFORE AN ENTIRE WATCHING WORLD.
It was called "The Gulf War," and featured EXACTLY this type of "remotely-monitored, computer-controlled, terminal guidance technology ..." -- in the form of guided SMART BOMBS and CRUISE MISSILES ... which were used with clear success to devastate Saddham's air force, command and control facilities, communications networks, etc., etc. ....
It was called (for obvious reasons) "the first Video Game War."
What Deep Impact did the other night was EXACTLY the same ... only FAR EASIER.
Why "easier?"
Because, instead of having to guide itself to the target IN ONLY A COUPLE OF MINUTES, against hostile ground fire, decoys, electronic "spoofing," etc. ... the Deep Impact spacecraft was guided to its terminal rendezvous with Tempel 1 over SIX WHOLE MONTHS ... by a world-wide network of massive radio tracking antennas, rooms full of elaborate trajectory computers, with many delicate mid-course corrections carried out without any severe time pressure ... which ensured absolute precision in the final rendezvous .... And--
NO ONE shooting back!!
Oh, and the final few minutes of the terminal guidance to Impact of the actual Impactor spacecraft was EXACTLY the same as the optical terminal guidance of the smart bombs used now in BOTH Gulf Wars, Kosovo, etc., etc. In fact, the same Pentagon/NASA sub-contractors made both sets of CCD cameras, electronics in the avionics, guidance computers, radio telemetry systems, etc., etc.!
Your Pentagon dollars in action ... 83 million miles away. :)
What's REALLY different, of course, is that during the recent wars we've faught using this high-technology, we got to see the results almost IMMEDIATELY ... in all those daily Pentagon Briefings.
In our civilian NASA "attack" on Tempel 1 the other night ... the most important "after action" results, curiously, seem to have been suddenly "CLASSIFIED" ....
What's wrong with THIS whole picture? :)
Richard,
Coast has a huge listening audience all right. Staying tuned.
Regards
Richard,
I caught you on Coast to Coast last night, and you said almost nothing about Deep Impact, just a cryptic tease to "stay tuned."
Why?
Enterprise Lurker,
>I caught you on Coast to Coast last night, and you said almost nothing about Deep Impact, just a cryptic tease to "stay tuned.">
>Why?<
I wanted to, but George Noory -- the host -- wanted me to TOTALLY focus on the Shuttle. He says he wants to have me back on later this week, to do a "Deep Impact" update ...
Don't ask me why I couldn't do both!! I WANTED to (and as you heard, I slipped in as much as I could) ... but it's NOT my show. I'm only a guest. :)
Anonymous (Jason),
>Looking at this from a Theological point of view and somewhat more curiously, Mark 13:1 states: "As he was going out of the temple one..."
>In a Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Bible, there is no comma between temple and one.
>Strange, as this Chapter and verse are are Jesus's parable of the last days.
>After extensive internet and bible research, this verse is only in the WTBTS bible 'Without' a comma or ',' between temple and one.
>Also, Isiah 66:6 is a little more worrying:
>6 There is a sound of uproar out of the city, a sound out of the temple! It is the sound of Jehovah repaying what is deserved to his enemies.<
This is definitely cool .... :)
We are getting EXACTLY the same types of "bizarre leads" from our sources INSIDE JPL -- which is that there were "OTHER objectives" around this Mission, having NOTHING to do with the "science" (or the lack thereof ...).
This is, among other things, what has taken the time for us to come out with a definitive "this is what they're with holding" article ....
But, there definitely DOES seem to be a surprising "end of days" twist to this (!), vis a vis the (endless) hidden NASA RITUALS we've researched and documented before ....
We're tracking this separately from the (also mysteriously) "withheld science" ....
Stay tuned.
"This is definitely cool .... :)
We are getting EXACTLY the same types of "bizarre leads" from our sources INSIDE JPL -- which is that there were "OTHER objectives" around this Mission, having NOTHING to do with the "science" (or the lack thereof ...). "
Thank you... I've been pondering this for a little while now.
And also some more VERY coincidental math and data that go with the Temple 1 mission.
I believe that the center or the heart of the temple one mission was to do with occult or numerology.
Why? Some more facts as follows
It was a COPPER impactor that hit temple one
The ALTAR in King David and Solomons Temple to Jehovah was copper.
Ex 38:30, 1Ki8:64, 2Ki16:14, 2Ki 16:15, 2Ch1:5,6, 2Ch4:1, 2Ch7:7, Ezekial 9:2.
(The term 'Copper Alter' is used 9 times in the bible.)
The altar was used for Sacrifices for various Ceremonies to Jehovah.
On the NASA Copper impactor, there were something like 650,000 names burned onto a mini CD.
Why was the impactor made of Copper?
Why was the CD with names on the impactor?
Some more coincidences, which research renders correct, President Bush is the highest ranking FreeMason, a 33 degree member.
$333 Million dollars were spent on the impactor.
it was set to impact at 1:55:02 +- 3 mins
now I'm now Numerology expert, but I've come up with a further theory, and not wishing to distract anyone away from this Fascinating thread, you could read if you have time, my theory of SEVEN FIVES, that July 10th was the start of the appointed times according to Revelation? Open for comments to jasgrave333@hotmail.com
Jason Graves
jasgrave333@hotmail.com
OK have got a Logon now :)
Blogged my almost rough draft SEVEN FIVES theory 555 5 555
Hello Richard
Tonight's weekly Galactic Federation update for July 19th.....
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http://www.paoweb.com/sn071905.htm
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http://www.paoweb.com/news1200.htm#Roswell
Major global announcements and a 'New Reality' soon........
Best Regards Always,
Thomas
Thanks for the thoughtful—serious answer Mr. Hoagland.
You write;
Because, instead of having to guide itself to the target IN ONLY A COUPLE OF MINUTES, against hostile ground fire, decoys, electronic "spoofing," etc. ... the Deep Impact spacecraft was guided to its terminal rendezvous with Tempel 1 over SIX WHOLE MONTHS ... by a world-wide network of massive radio tracking antennas, rooms full of elaborate trajectory computers, with many delicate mid-course corrections carried out without any severe time pressure ... which ensured absolute precision in the final rendezvous .... And—
Whew! You are certainly good at painting a successions of wonderful pictures. Lets’ just assume for a moment that I don’t comprehend the huge difference between the example you cite and the achievement of the Deep Impact probe.
No hang that sir! I am an experienced radar technician, I worked on high powered tracking and terminal guidance semi-active homing radar sets for the US military. Our job was to bring a payload moving around 900 MPH to within several yards of a moving target(around 400-500 MPH relitive) at around sixty miles distance. What we did was about 100 times more difficult to accomplish than your example and we used 1960s technology (this was in the early 1980s.)
They were steering an missile around the same mass as ours, into an object that was around 536,800 miles away around four miles across moving at a relative velocity of about 6 miles a second. I would say that this much more difficult than what we used to do and thousands of times more difficult than just dropping a dumb bomb on a fixed structure. People shooting notwithstanding.
In other words Mr. Hoagland. You may think this is like falling off a log, I know better.
Jason,
>I believe that the center or the heart of the temple one mission was to do with occult or numerology.<
Again -- according to our sources (we were NOT looking for this ...) -- you're on EXACTLY the right trail .... And, this is COMPLETELY separate from the "science" track ....
But the "crossover" (the honest guys found something SO astonishing ... perhaps in confirmation of the "ritual guys") seems to have COMPLETELY derailed the "science" from this Mission.
Think "Eyes Wide Shut."
Keep going.
We'll compare notes when we publish what we've found (and, most important, have been able to CORROBORATE any of this "wacko stuff").
Anonymous- Brian wrote
Hoagland's central complaint is not the lack of a crater photo. It is the lack of SPECTROGRAPH data. Considering this point has been made dozens of times in the blogs and comments, I can only conclude you are either a) deliberately trying to mislead people with deceptive arguments, or b) are incredibly dense.
You are correct sir. Mr. Hoagland’s emphasis *was* on the lack of spectrograph data in *his* stawman argument that NASA is conspiring to hide data. The Odd Emperor humbly stands corrected.
Odd,
You wrote:
"Really! You are qualified to analyze radio telemetry from a comet impact probe?
I’d wager that the stuff isn’t even
readable without some specialized
decryption steps. Do you really want
several MB of random numbers dropped in your lap? I don’t have pertinent
data on modern stuff but I know the
old Pioneer probes were all running on
hand written software. I suspect the modern probes are much the same."
What??!!
It doesn't take two weeks for a team of NASA scientists to dump the data returned from Deep Impact into an excel spreadsheet. I don't need NASA's little pictures, diagrams, and trite statements to interpret the data myself.
And YES, I and most educated people in this country, ARE qualified to analyze the RAW data from Deep Impact. Anybody who has taken a high school chemistry class knows how to read spectrometer data.
I find it totally absurd and extremely insulting that NASA and people like you just fall in the dirt before the All Mighty Experts. Good grief! Do you take us for completely apathetic, uninterested fools?
It's like you think we're not qualified to fix a strand of Christmas lights because we don't have PhD's in Electrical Engineering.
It's not like NASA holds the Secret Sacred Texts on how to do stuff in space. It's really not that complicated. Once you know an object's trajectory you know EXACTLY where it will be at ANY time in the future. We knew exactly where Temple 1 would be when Deep Impact was to arrive. The only trick was to check back with DI and fine tune its course. Then your modem turns on and sends data back to base.
Why don't people just TURN ON THEIR BRAINS and start THINKING FOR THEMSELVES for a change??!!
As Napoleon Dynamite would say, "GOSH!!"
Odd Emperor I think you just blew away your own argument. The Deep Impact team had better equipment than you did, had a longer lead time to target, had more resources data points for precisly pinpointing orbital data, and had a whole team of people overseeing the operation.
Did you forget NASA actually LANDED on EROS? C'mon...please be serious.
I replied to one your posts in the last comment section from the other blog post RCH made. But in the end, this is as RCH stated simply more n more of NASA 'doo-doo'.
Nasa should try the following since the administration can't seem to do it with the Rove story:
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgement of character.
It REALLY is that simple.
Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.com
The Odd Emperor,
>Whew! You are certainly good at painting a successions of wonderful pictures. Lets’ just assume for a moment that I don’t comprehend the huge difference between the example you cite and the achievement of the Deep Impact probe.
>No hang that sir! I am an experienced radar technician, I worked on high powered tracking and terminal guidance semi-active homing radar sets for the US military. Our job was to bring a payload moving around 900 MPH to within several yards of a moving target(around 400-500 MPH relitive) at around sixty miles distance. What we did was about 100 times more difficult to accomplish than your example and we used 1960s technology (this was in the early 1980s.)
>They were steering an missile around the same mass as ours, into an object that was around 536,800 miles away around four miles across moving at a relative velocity of about 6 miles a second. I would say that this much more difficult than what we used to do and thousands of times more difficult than just dropping a dumb bomb on a fixed structure. People shooting notwithstanding.
>In other words Mr. Hoagland. You may think this is like falling off a log, I know better.<
I didn't say this was "easy," I said it was "state-of-the-art." Big difference.
I'm honestly impressed with your personal, technical experience in this type of endeavor ... and must say, it TOTALLY proves my point.
If you could do something like that -- using '60's technology (WOW!! My hat's truly off to you ...) -- and in 1980 (or, thereabouts), with Moores Law alone just extrapolate what could be done NOW .... [I have friends at Raytheon, setting up similar experiments back then, using such "60's technology," so I KNOW what you accomplished .... :) ]
The "big numbers," "closing velocities," "size of target," etc., are all bigger ... yes ... but NOT ... compared to the vast improvements in computer size, power consumption, processing power, sensor technology, thruster capabilities, etc., etc., etc.
And, the BIG factor I tried (gently) to underscore: with Deep Impact (except for those last 30 minutes) they had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD (~ six months in "cruise")to track the spacecraft, refine the trajectory, update the on-board guidance computer, burn, track again, update, etc., etc., etc.
Like you, I'm NOT a novice at this stuff (check my bio). And, I know when NASA is, again, practicing "artful mis-direction."
Frankly, compared to actually HITTING the Comet, acquiring the information we're all (still) waiting for was MUCH, MUCH harder -- with NO ROOM for a "second go around" ...).
For which I give A'Hearn's Team full credit.
Now, if they would only SHOW us what they've got! Because, again, once this data's on the ground, analyzing it is NOT (sorry ...) "rocket science." (I mean, look at all the OTHER teams -- including those downlinking satellite numbers -- which have managed to put up ACTUAL data on their websites ... including SPECTRAL data ...). :)
No, there is something definitely fishy going on here, which "wowing the public with Big Numbers" only serves to obfuscate.
HERE is what they are trying to avoid admitting.
Justin,
>I may have missed this..but isn't nasa reconfiguring the probe to do a flyby of another
"comet" in 2008? if the imaging and spectrometer equipment are
"faulty" , wouldn't that negate the second trip and render the probe fairly useless?<
"Omygod!" ... ANOTHER in-your-face NASA contradiction. Who ever would have "thunk it" ...? :)
Lesley,
>Just wondering have any of the previous public campaigns worked to get the results you wanted? I have a theory that they only work to a certain degree.<
From getting the ORIGINAL new images of Cydonia (against Malin's darkest wishes), to saving the Miami Circle (against a LOT of entrenched money and power in Miami), when we've "put the pedal to the metal" and ASKED ... folks have REALLY come through!
That's what's taking the amount of time this is taking: creating an enlightened context for REAL ACTION ....
Soon .... :)
Anonymous,
>Perhaps it would be helpful for you to generate some approximate plot of what you would expect the infrared spectrum of the comet material to look like , as based on Van Flandern's ideas of them being pieces of exploded planet. So you might show what lines would be produced by iron, nickel, silicon, etc.<
You're NOT serious .... :)
There are myriad on-line spectral "libraries" (JPL, Arizona State University, etc.) which carry such easily-displayed catalogues of spectral "standards."
Until A'Hearn presents us with an ACTUAl Deep Impact spectrum ... such an effort on our part would be useless. And, we already KNOW (from the Gemini North team) that their ground-based reflection IR spectral data saw things a LOT more like "Hawaii beach sand" (I LOVE that ...) than NASA's "standard, water-logged comet model").
So, still waiting for Michael to put out .... :)
Hey Richard,
It's a real privilege to get to talk to you finally and congradulate you on all that you and the EPM have accomlished. (This chat thing is an awesome idea...) But I was wondering if you ever planned to write an article and try to start from the beginning as to what was going on in the ancient solar sytem, what happened and where we stand today.
It'd be enlightning, especially to those who have yet to read the book or watch the vids.
SonofSirius,
>... I was wondering if you ever planned to write an article and try to start from the beginning as to what was going on in the ancient solar sytem, what happened and where we stand today.
It'd be enlightning, especially to those who have yet to read the book or watch the vids.<
I'm writing a WHOLE BOOK -- sequel to "Monuments." But, a lot of things keep getting in the way .... :)
I'll try to limn out some of it on Enterprise. A LOT of it is already there -- for free! -- if you just "connect the dots."
Whatever happened to the missing data from Cassini on the Iapetus fly by?
Anonymous,
>Whatever happened to the missing data from Cassini on the Iapetus fly by?<
We're still working THAT problem too .... :)
NASA's making more mistakes, in accelerating timeframes: on Iapetus they "merely" withheld the critical RADAR. On Deep Impact, they're withholding EVERYTHING.
But, we have "sources" (and the scientific process) on our side ... so it's only a matter of time. :)
Stay tuned.
Am i the only person in america,or the world wondering why,NASA, can't seem to produce any true color images. ESA's mars probe got it right,right out of the box. Every nasa website,is full of these 19th century black and white images. Cassini,Global serveyor,Mars rovers,Deep impact, every single website. What gives? they can remote control a spacecraft into a relatively small Moving target,from halfway across the solar system,but they cant,or wont come off with a damn color image. If i want to see space in black and white,ill go outside at night and look up. And it wont cost me 333 million.
Anonymous,
>Am I the only person in america,or the world wondering why,NASA, can't seem to produce any true color images?<
No ... there's at least TWO of us .... :)
We need to start a MAJOR grass roots campaign demanding FULL DISCLOSURE of all scientific data to ANYONE who demands it. OR, we should lobby congress to pull funding. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Does anyone know how NASA decided on the name for this probe that slammed into the comet?
>...can't seem to produce any true color images?<
And notice how large high-res images aren't often given to the public? Like Titan, other moons, a lot of the rover shots on Mars. The odd high-res ones are there, confirming the capability, but often just when you want to see something, the low-res is the only thing available.
>http://www.paoweb.com/sn071905.htm<
Once again... stuff we already know, or re-hashes with new lingo, yet saying nothing new at all.
Any chance Thomas you can promote your website elsewhere instead of here at Richard's comment area?
Speaking of hidden agendas, suppose this is just 'target practice'.
Now, if you wanted to pull off a secret test firing of a new interstellar defensive weapon to ward off future earth-threatening comets (aka. earth-crossing asteroids), how would you do that in broad daylight, without anyone noticing your plot and without stirring up any wide-spread panic over the need for such arsenal.
Staging it as a major scientific mission to bring back unprecedented results would seem like a good and proven smokescreen.
In this light, the mission was a huge success, accomplishing its main purpose of hitting bulls-eye on the comet thus proving the guidance system ‘seaworthy’.
That the scientific spin-off seemed to fail a bit doesn’t matter too much since this was secondary anyway. Just have to be explained away, using the good old ‘defocused and blurred’ excuse.
This time not carrying any nuclear payload, but a lot of scientific equipment, meant to emulate the mass of future live devices.
Thanks for the answer. I truly wondered how these things work out and if letters, faxes and so on really work to get things done.
Anonymous,
>We need to start a MAJOR grass roots campaign demanding FULL DISCLOSURE of all scientific data to ANYONE who demands it. OR, we should lobby congress to pull funding. This is absolutely ridiculous.<
>Does anyone know how NASA decided on the name for this probe that slammed into the comet?<
Point One: agreed. We'll be notifying everyone how to proceed in a few days ....
Point two: the general consensus seems to be the Mission was named after the 1998 film, "Deep Impact" -- about a comet strike on Earth, which could have caused Humanity to become extinct.
Curiously, when you visit the official Deep Impact JPL website, clicking on this question gives you a NON-Answer!! (What else is new about THIS mission ...?)
Spooking indeed,
>Speaking of hidden agendas, suppose this is just 'target practice'.<
See my detailed answer to "Odd Emperor" -- above .... Such a "test" would be TOTALLY unnecessary.
No, the Deep Impact Mission was to secure REAL science (and, test such a targeting system as a BONUS). Then ... something happened.
Stay tuned .... :)
I'm going to have to change my name. In forums like this, I usually just use my real name - Jeff - but I don't want to have to compete with the other Jeff's for name recognition.
From now on, I am "the old man from scene 24."
"I'm honestly impressed with your personal, technical experience in this type of endeavor ... and must say, it TOTALLY proves my point."
Sarcasum noted. ) ; )
..."you could do something like that -- using '60's technology (WOW!! My hat's truly off to you ...) -- and in 1980 (or, thereabouts), with Moores Law alone just extrapolate what could be done NOW .... [I have friends at Raytheon, setting up similar experiments back then, using such "60's technology," so I KNOW what you accomplished .... :) ]
The "big numbers," "closing velocities," "size of target," etc., are all bigger ... yes ... but NOT ... compared to the vast improvements in computer size, power consumption, processing power, sensor technology, thruster capabilities, etc., etc., etc.
And, the BIG factor I tried (gently) to underscore: with Deep Impact (except for those last 30 minutes) they had ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD (~ six months in "cruise")to track the spacecraft, refine the trajectory, update the on-board guidance computer, burn, track again, update, etc., etc., etc.
Like you, I'm NOT a novice at this stuff (check my bio). And, I know when NASA is, again, practicing "artful mis-direction."
Um, Sir, these were not experiments. This was a long range SAM system mounted on a US Navy vessel. We did live fire shoots about twice a year and simulations daily. The Military does not work under Moore’s law--like NASA as you know, more like Murphy’s law. For example; the Space Shuttle still uses relatively primitive computers compared with that thing sitting on our desks.
I’ve never accused you of being a novice. You have written several popular books on the subject and I’ve read the claims on your web page many times. I would submit however that, you probably have as much experience with sending a probe to a comet rendezvous as I’ve had.
That aside, I’m more concerned with the common thread that runs in all of your writings, that of suggesting huge government conspiracies in the space program and many other things. Deep impact is just a recent example, you really think that two weeks is a long time for data to trickle out of the program? Is that unusual? How long did it take for chemical data to emerge from the recent Mars landers? What about the Titan lander? Did spectrograph data get released instantly? Perhaps you could compare the relative time-flow of information because truly (even though I’m 'jest' a novice.; )) I really don’t see the big problem with waiting a few weeks.
PS Richard,
I've BLOG'ged, the Strange black shape, a little to the right of the sun from NASA UMBRA SOHO pictures located here:
http://umbra.nascom.nasa.gov/images/latest.html
I'd like to ask a NASA official what they think this is too?
http://strange-spot-next-to-sun-18th-july-05.blogspot.com/
Please see blog above to see pictures of the 'black shape' next to the sun and verify or debunk it. Is it a planet? A satellite, or something a lot more outer wordly?
Jason Graves
The Old Man From Scene 24,
>From now on, I am "the old man from scene 24." <
So, of course we HAVE to ask: "who was THAT?!" And, "WHAT was the scene ...?" :)
Richard,
I am the old man who warns Arthur that the Grail lies beyond a cave that no man has ever entered and a bridge that no man has ever crossed.
My job is to ask questions and laugh cryptically.
What is the air-speed velocity of a washing machine-sized solid copper bucky ball?
Oh yes, and to insert inappropriate Monty Python quotes altered to fit the subjects of this forum.
Such as:
Bad, wicked, naughty NASA! She has been setting fire to our beacon, which - I have just remembered - is tetrahedral...
It is not the first time we've had this problem.
jasgrave333 said...
"On the NASA Copper impactor, there were something like 650,000 names burned onto a mini CD."
Jason,
Where did you get this information?
Thanks!
kcjavaman,
yep, I thought this was common knowledge. It was broadcast over CNN and Fox news, but here are several links to the actual amount of names, apparently 625,000.
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/050630_deep_impact_CDs.html
"625,000 Names to be Vaporized in Deep Impact
By Bjorn Carey
Staff Writer
posted: 30 June 2005
7:00 am ET"
The names of more than 600,000 people will be part of the fireworks July 3-4 when Comet Tempel 1 collides with the Deep Impact impactor spacecraft.
When Deep Impact was in its final stages of development, organizers in NASA's Education and Public Outreach program created the Send Your Name to a Comet campaign. The Internet-based effort allowed participants to sign their name up for destruction and print out an official certificate documenting their place on the list.
"We thought it would be fun for people to say their name was on the impactor that collided with the comet," organizer Maura Roundtree-Brown told SPACE.com. "We thought it would let them feel like they were part of the mission."
Although people could submit their names between May 2003 and January 2004, a large number waited until the last minute to sign up.
"In the end they were trying to sign up so fast that it was almost more than the system could take," Roundtree-Brown said. "In all we got about 625,000 names. It was a surprise."
Once registration closed, the list was burned onto a mini-CD and attached to the spacecraft -- tucked under the thermal blanketing to make sure no harm could come to it.
No amount of thermal blanketing will protect the CD on this holiday weekend when the impactor and comet slam together at 23,000 mph.
"It will be vaporized along with the impactor," Roundtree-Brown said.
At least one group of names on the list will be eagerly watching the sky, waiting for impact. Dee McLellan's seventh grade class at the Meadow Creek School in Andover, Minnesota did a special Deep Impact math project.
McLellan designed a class project where her students collected an amount of pennies equivalent to the mass of the impactor's copper tip -- about 300 pounds. That's a lot of pennies -- around 50,000 -- and the whole town helped the kids come up with the total.
By the end of the project, the students had raised $500, which they donated along with school supplies to their sister school in the Ukraine.
"The first we heard about it was that the class contacted us asking how much of the total mass of the impactor was copper," Roundtree-Brown said. "The exciting and successful thing for us as an outreach project is when it goes out of our hands to teachers and students and, in this case, a whole community."
While NASA will have to wait until Monday to see if they hit the mark with their impactor, Roundtree-Brown is pleased with the way the Send Your Name to a Comet campaign turned out.
"I was surprised how many people sent us emails and said that being able to submit their names to the impactor made them feel like they were part of the mission," Roundtree-Brown said. "And that's why we did it -- because it would be fun for people to be connected to the mission."
Of course, theologically this stinks of occult practice. Richard is right, there are some very strange things about this. If anyone gets time, you might want to read the theory of Seven Fives (http://jasgrave333.blogspot.com)
Jason Graves
Also, I meant to include the full search under google for all the related stories and URL's to the names to be sent to the comet Temple One (Temple 1).
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=impactor+names
renders the following threads on the first page:
625000 Names to be Vaporized in Deep Impact - Yahoo! News
http://p134.news.scd.yahoo.com/s/space/20050630/ sc_space/625000namestobevaporizedindeepimpact/nc:2117
Deep Impact: Gallery: Images: Send Your Name CD Installed on Impactor
deepimpact.umd.edu/gallery/04-394d-impactor.html
625000 Names to be Vaporized in Deep Impact
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1433969/posts
Deep Impact: Send Your Name to a Comet: What Is It?
deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/sendyourname/whatis.html
These are a few threads with the stores, regarding names for the impacting :-/
Anyone have any better theories other than wierd, or worse, possibly occult and numerology based, strangeness?
Adding a little more to the number of names...
625,000
6+2=8(+5)
0+8+5,000
(0 because of space for first of the three numbers?)
185,000
185,000 people were killed by Gods angel of death (mentioned twice in the bible: 2ki 19:35, Is 37:36.
19:35 = 10+9
37:36 = 10+9
July = Taurma in the Jewish calender, the TENTH 10th Month
Not sure about the coincidence here, but could a numerology expert assist with the theory that the 625,000 names might coincide?
Again this is just theory and would invite anyone to examine the coincidence?
I'm looking at the 'Deep Doo Doo' mission as 50% science 50% Occult ritualised event.
The old man from scene 24,
>I am the old man who warns Arthur that the Grail lies beyond a cave that no man has ever entered and a bridge that no man has ever crossed.
>My job is to ask questions and laugh cryptically.<
Ah ..... :)
>What is the air-speed velocity of a washing machine-sized solid copper bucky ball?<
Do you mean, what was the velocity of THIS Impact?: 6.6 miles per second.
Would that be an African or a European bucky ball?
It could grip it by the husk.
Look, a NASA spokesman must flap his lips 33 times per second to maintain the illusion of science, right? Right.
Do you mean, what was the velocity of THIS Impact?: 6.6 miles per second.
It was a rhetorical question based on an interpretation of a scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail. As is the rest of this.
And yes, it is relevant. I'm not just being a silly English K-night. The characters were discussing where King Arthur got a coconut in England. The coconut's tropical, and England is temperate. King Arthur attempts to explain, saying swallows migrate, to which the character asks, are you suggesting coconuts migrate? Arthur then suggests that a swallow could have carried it by gripping it by the husk, to which the character replies that a swallow cannot maintain sufficient air speed velocity to carry a coconut, no matter where it grips it.
In other words, Arthur has to explain something that makes no sense (his coconut), his explanations make no sense, the knights refuse to let him offer nonsensical explanations, and so he "rides" away in disgust, beating together two empty halves of a coconut to simulate the sound of a horse's hooves.
It's a brilliant allegory appropriate to the situation at hand.
Or something.
The old man from scene 24,
As my favorite grandmother used to say:
"If you can keep your head, when all around you they are losing theirs ....
"Then ... MAYBE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION!!"
And just to add a little *more* to the "SITUATION"
A *LOT* more worryingly is this:
COINCIDENCE also?
Big Ben Silent For 90 Minutes
May 28, 2005 11:32 a.m. EST
Hector Duarte Jr. - All Headline News Staff Reporter
London, England (AHN) - Big Ben stopped ticking at 10:07 p.m. Friday and resumed shortly after, only to stop once again at 10:20 p.m. and remain idle for the next 90 minutes.
NOTE: UK 10:07 = 22:07 East coast USA
NOTE2: The event with UK's Big Ben Clock occurred on May 27th 2005.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2234632120&fa=1
PS 22:07 or 07/22 is tomorrow!
Also...
* 90 minutes. *
19:35 = 10+9
37:36 = 10+9
10x9=90
obvious, true, however, it was 90 minutes that the clock remained idle at 10:20 PM. To anyone who is even slightly familiar with Big Ben you will already know that this is unusual, Big Ben has rarely stopped!
The UK time that Big Ben stopped was 10:07, being UK 10/07 is July 10th, because the USA Date stamp looks like 07/10. To me, this takes on a whole new perspective, as a phenomena, supernatural or otherwise.
PPS Just to *Emphasise* how serious the *SITUATION* *MIGHT* be, if you get time take a peak at a theory regarding the bible and the date for the start of Five months of torment (Rev 9:10) and the date of *ARMAGEDDON* here: http://jasgrave333.blogspot.com
"if you arent panicking, you havent got all the facts"
Jason
"Then ... MAYBE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION!!"
heh heh heh heh heh
heh heh heh heh heh heh
(that's me laughing cryptically)
Sorry Richard. You have to be there. I shall attempt to refrain.
"Old man from Scene 24" :)
OK I'm from the UK originally, I was curious, I think I get it...
http://wuzzle.org/bridge.html
oh and errm
'Has anyone found a silver spoon?'
Brian >:)
Tempel's New Tail
News story (July 24th):
http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1656&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Astronomers using the Palomar Observatory's 200-inch Hale Telescope have been amazed by comet Tempel 1's behavior during and after its collision with the Deep Impact space probe.
In the minutes just after the impact the comet was seen to increase its near-infrared brightness nearly fivefold. As the event progressed astronomers at Palomar were able to distinguish jets of material venting from the comet's nucleus that have persisted for days.
Early results from the data, in images taken just minutes after impact, showed a possible plume of dust and gas extending outward some 320 km (200 miles) from the comet's center, roughly coinciding with the site of the probe's final demise.
This apparent dust plume has persisted for several nights, allowing astronomers to watch the comet's slow rotation. The night after impact the plume was on the far side of the comet, but was visible again the next evening as the comet's rotation brought it back into view. Two days after impact, the plume was seen again, this time extending about 200 km (124 miles) from the comet's center. According to Bidushi Bhattacharya of the California Institute of Technology's (Caltech) Spitzer Science Center, "This could be indicative of an outburst of gas and dust still taking place near the region of the impact."
"We are very excited by these results. It is a fabulous time to be studying comets," says James Bauer of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). "It will be interesting to see how long the effects of the impact persist," he adds.
The images of the comet, obtained by Bauer and Bhattacharya, were sharper than those from most ground-based telescopes because they used a technique known as adaptive optics. Adaptive optics allows astronomers to correct for the blurring of images caused by Earth's turbulent atmosphere, giving them a view that often surpasses those of smaller telescopes based in space.
Using the adaptive-optics technique to improve an astronomer's view is generally only possible when a bright star is located near the object they want to study. On the night of impact there was no bright star close enough to the comet to use. Mitchell Troy, the adaptive-optics group lead and Palomar adaptive-optics task manager at JPL, worked with his team to make adaptive optics corrections anyway. "Through the dedicated efforts of the JPL and Caltech teams we were able to deploy a new sensor that was 25 times more sensitive then our normal sensor. This new sensor allowed us to correct for some of the atmosphere's distortions and significantly improve the view of the comet," says Troy. This improved view allowed astronomers to see the dust and ejected material moving out from the comet's surface immediately following the impact event and again days later.
Earth-based observations from telescopes like the 200-inch at Palomar give astronomers an important perspective on how the comet is reacting to the impact, a perspective that cannot be achieved from the front-row seat of a fly-by spacecraft. Astronomers on the ground have the luxury of long-term observations that may continue to show changes in the comet for weeks to come.
'Brian'
hi hi hi
More Theological input related to NASA and the growing association with numerology and occult practice.
The only reference in the bible to the word shuttle is once at Job 24:6
Disaster is also mentioned Five times in Job; 18:12, 21:17, 21:30, 31:3, 31:23.
ok why is that significant?
Five disasters (555 5 555 - jasgrave333.blogspot.com)
One shuttle...
and SEVEN Astronaut, launching on the SEVENTH Month, on the 26 possibly and very likely a (2x6) occult signature a disguised 66.
And did anyone check the launch dates and times of previous shuttles and missions?
Having checked the logs at Nasa's home page, the links to numerological consistances is incredible.
PS Old drinking song, modernised...
"I'm not the doom bringer, I'm the doom bringers son, I'm just here prophesying doom, till the doom bringer comes.
(Original starts, I'm not a pheasant plucker, I'm the pheasant pluckers son etc)
'Brian' >:)
NASA Chief Says Agency 'Goofed' With Discovery Checks…..
He who needs enemies when you have friends like these guys !
Also want to correct the scripture reference to shuttle;
I dont know where I got 24:6 from...
...the shuttle scripture is actually at:
Job 7:6...
hmmmm
The only mention of the word shuttle is associated with a Seven
July = Seventh Month.
this dudes a phoney if u belive anything this guy says ur an embaresment to scince do reasherch firt people.the shuttle is still in orbit cuz it already launched.all FUTURE MISSION ARE GROUNDED.hogland shut the f-up u attention minded -psuedo scientist
Anonymous,
>This dudes a phoney if u belive anything this guy says ur an embaresment to scince do reasherch firt people.the shuttle is still in orbit cuz it already launched.all FUTURE MISSION ARE GROUNDED.hogland shut the f-up u attention minded -psuedo scientist<
This is a put on, right? :)
HOagland is full of shit
Anonymous said...
HOagland is full of ????
No...Hoagland is Cool, and he's right about Ed Dames ...I don't know why Art gets off listening to this guy ! I think it's time for Art to retire, he doesn't even know what's going on or what's been on his show ...truly out of touch !
Richard is one voice crying in the wilderness...a beacon light for the sake of truth !!
Richard is one voice crying in the wilderness...a beacon light for the sake of truth !!
Heck yeah!
Richard, as ever ignore and carry on ignoring these ignorant, selfish, assanign remarks...
If it wasn't for intelligent people standing up and asking questions...
...the more sinister powers of this world would have long ago silenced us...
Armageddon Dec 10th 2005?
http://jasgrave333.blogspot.com
staying tuned for updates to the temple 1 mission data (Mark 13:1)
J aka 'Brian'
Hes still full of shit, right on par with Ed Dames.
Too late,naysayers...Too late..your attempts to downplay all of this is unsuccessful. You naysayers are too goddamn chicken feces to use even a decent nickname on here. Your inane silly blathering garbage about defending the proprietary data that I pay for is unjust. Your ilk likes to pay for nothing. And thats exactly what you have gotten. Its your attitudes that need adjusted. GRR8
Hey...How about a little Blog etiquette !!!!!!!!!
YEP 100% with this!!!
"Mark, said...
Hey...How about a little Blog etiquette !!!!!!!!!
GRR8 said...
Too late,naysayers...Too late..your attempts to downplay all of this is unsuccessful. You naysayers are too goddamn chicken feces to use even a decent nickname on here. Your inane silly blathering garbage about defending the proprietary data that I pay for is unjust. Your ilk likes to pay for nothing. And thats exactly what you have gotten. Its your attitudes that need adjusted. GRR8"
Yep, yep and yep
We are about to see some good old NBA Slam dunk of NASA through a legal basket...
TAX payers money used for SECRET MISSIONS WTF???
I dont think so...
Ceasers things to Ceaser
GODS THINGS TO GOD
meaning that we as HIS people, DEMAND to see the data!
Right on!!!
Annoymous insults are from sheets, scared of what???
come on -skaerf- show yourselves...
yep read it backwards!!!
I'm here, where r u? >:)
J aka 'Brian'
Right on Brian ... :)
Mark said...
Anonymous said...
HOagland is full of ????
No...Hoagland is Cool, and he's right about Ed Dames ...I don't know why Art gets off listening to this guy ! I think it's time for Art to retire, he doesn't even know what's going on or what's been on his show ...truly out of touch !
Richard is one voice crying in the wilderness...a beacon light for the sake of truth !!
2/8/05 4:19 AM
but really do you worship this fool with the mouth farts full of nonsense?
richard is just a scammer
Anonymous said...
Mark said...
Anonymous said...
HOagland is full of ????
No...Hoagland is Cool, and he's right about Ed Dames ...I don't know why Art gets off listening to this guy ! I think it's time for Art to retire, he doesn't even know what's going on or what's been on his show ...truly out of touch !
Richard is one voice crying in the wilderness...a beacon light for the sake of truth !!
2/8/05 4:19 AM
but really do you worship this fool with the mouth farts full of nonsense?
richard is just a scammer
2/8/05 8:50 PM
6 6 6 $'$ on this
Armagadeddon Dec 10th 2005
>:)
Abaddon Bwha ha ha ha
Compare launch photos of early shuttles to present day ones. Big difference? Early ones had the external fuel tank painted white. Not only did it look good, but it kept that messy foam stuff from falling off due to thermal shock. The reason for removing the paint? Save 200 pounds of launch weight. I would think that someone would have recalled the above by now...
T.L.
What ever happen to the technology of the Apollo missions, such as the "heat shield", why can't "they" use that instead of the very very very very very primative "fony" foam?!.
what if other countries try a different type of "heat shielding" instead of NASA, think about, why would you want to watch the classic cartoon version of Star Trek, The Jetson?
hmmmmmm, "how do you turn this thing on?"
"they" put man on the MOON, and "we" can't make houses hurricane "proof" GO FIGURE!!!!!!
are we that DUMB AND DRUNK enough to relize this?.
from:
Orion 105
ps:when i met George Noory, back in late March '05(in Honolulu, Hawaii), i mention him about you.
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