Deep Impact ... Deeper Confusion

OK, courtesy of Linda Moulton Howe's latest inteview, we've finally had our first peek at some REAL data from Deep Impact (or, we're supposed to think we have) ....
What do we now know?
Well, for one thing, we know that major efforts at continued "misdirection" on the whole Deep Impact issue still abound; from what Linda was told just a few days ago by Dr. Carey Lisse, member of the Deep Impact Science Team, she now reports that--
"... the Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral results when the impactor slammed into Tempel I [emphasis added]."Now, that's original ....
For, according to Keyur Patel, JPL Deep Impact Deputy Project Manager, speaking before the world's press in a packed JPL auditorium just minutes after the climax of the Project in the wee hours of July 4th:
"... The Impactor went and hit the Comet [Tempel 1] in a specific spot. The Fly-By's job was to image that spot. And, between the two of them ... the coordination ... we had the spot nailed ... to less than fifty meters off!
"So, the Fly-By [spacecraft] imaged the spot within fifty meters of where the Impactor hit ... that's just amazing [emphasis added] ...."
To understand the full implications of this description, and why it totally contradicts what Linda's now been told, a) you have to know that all the science instruments aboard the Fly-By spacecraft -- including the critical spectrometer -- were boresighted (aimed) at that same ~50-meter spot Patel described. And, b) that "fifty meters" is about half the width of a football field ... in this case, as seen from across almost twice the width of the United States (from ~5000 miles away)!
So, Patel's official remarks that night -- regarding Deep Impact's superb aiming accuracy -- were, if anything, a major understatement!
In addition, immediately following Patel's glowing assessment of his JPL Deep Impact Team's technical performance, Principal Investigator of the Science Team, Dr. Michael A'Hearn (far right - below), added his own enthusiastic statements. Said A'Hearn:
"... the Impactor was perfect. The Fly-By instruments also worked beautifully: we got tremendous spectra ... new spectral features ... really strong spectral features ... great thermal spectra [emphasis added] ...."

However, now ... just six weeks later ... after directly contradicting both the Deputy Project Manager and his own Team Leader -- by claiming the Fly-By spacecraft at Impact "was not pointing exactly the right way ..." -- Linda then reports Dr. Lisse as telling her:
"... But back toward Earth, the largest infrared telescope ever launched into space was watching the Deep Impactor collide with the comet. The Spitzer Space Telescope was monitoring in a 5 to 40 micron wavelength range, which was more sensitive than Deep Impact's 1 to 5 micron wavelength range. Deep Impact was so close, it could only see a part of the comet's coma, which is the fuzzy haze of glowing dust that surrounds the comet's hard nucleus. Spitzer could see the whole coma, the hot gases and the ejecta rushing out from the explosion for hours and days afterward [emphasis added] ...."Lisse's exact words were:
"Of all the data I've seen [on the Deep Impact event], Spitzer is one of the most gorgeous data sets. I think we've got the first good handle on excavating a comet and finding the dinosaur bones of the solar system's formation ...."
* * *
OK, let's use a little common sense.
Here we have two spacecraft -- each armed with a "telescope" and a "spectrometer." One telescope (the one called "Spitzer") is about three times wider (~10 times larger in area) than the other, the smaller telescope located on the Deep Impact Fly-By spacecraft.
But, Deep Impact was located only 5000 miles from the location of the Comet at Impact. The larger Spitzer instrument, though about ten times more sensitive (because its mirror has about ten times the area of Deep Impact's), was located MUCH farther away from the point of Impact: in fact, in a large Earth orbit ... about 83 MILLION miles away!
It doesn't take a professional astronomer or optics expert to instantly know that the closer instrument to Tempel 1 -- the one on Deep Impact -- would have been VASTLY more sensitive than the other telescope (Spitzer), located millions of miles away. The actual difference in sensitivity (if anyone wants to work through all the numbers -- factoring in the respective spacecraft distances ... the relative size of the two telescopes on-board, etc., etc.), is that Deep Impact's spectrometer that night was about 30 MILLION times more sensitive than Spitzer's equivalent instruments orbiting the very distant Earth!
"Thirty million times" is a HUGE advantage in this game ... in terms of both the ability to see faint spectral features (sensitivity to low percentages of key materials, anyone ...?), and to record short time-scale events. Like ... what really came gushing out of Tempel 1 in those first few critical seconds after Impact!
So, the flat assertion in Linda's story, that--
"... the Spitzer Space Telescope was monitoring in a 5 to 40 micron wavelength range, which was more sensitive [to the effects of the Impact] than Deep Impact's 1 to 5 micron wavelength range ...."
Is bunk!!
The immediate result of this deft misdirection by Dr. Lisse is evident in his "major scientific conclusions" from the Deep Impact Experiment itself. That--
"The very first data showed hot water. At least 50% of Comet Tempel I is water ice [emphasis added] ...."
Oh ... really?
By deliberately ignoring Deep Impact's close-in data ("the spectrometer was pointed in the wrong direction ..."), and focusing instead on the millions-of-miles-distant Spitzer observations ... what Lisse was doing was averaging the effect of Deep Impact's violent collision -- and the resulting materials which immediately gushed out -- with the literally weeks of preceding "outgassing" of volatiles from Tempel 1, and their enormous expansion into the surrounding cloud ("coma") around the tiny ~5-mile nucleus ... a volume of literally millions of cubic miles.

The result was a dramatic, artificial skewing of the spectroscopic water data from the Spitzer instrument ... by averaging all the previous water which had accumulated in that extended "coma" (cloud) ... which would have inevitably made it look like far more water initially erupted from Tempel 1 on Impact -- that "50%" that Linda quoted -- than actually occurred!
What the Deep Impact Team said they wanted to observe before we got there -- the overriding reason they sent a $333 million-dollar Fly-By spacecraft to observe this Event close-up -- was to see (and record) the localized eruption of the pristine, interior materials from the Direct Impact site!

What Lisse was now reporting was a travesty on those original scientific intentions -- a deliberate averaging of the water in the entire cometary coma ... as seen from a spacecraft 83 million miles distant ... at the critical moment.
Corroboration of this apparent effort to "inflate the amount of water" coming out of Tempel 1 at Impact comes from an impeccable scientific source: data from the independent "SWAS satellite" (below) -- reported here (and elsewhere) almost immediately after Impact.
SWAS, you may remember, was another spacecraft (operated by another NASA scientific team, from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) that was also observing Tempel 1 from Earth orbit -- analyzing the "submillimeter" radio emissions from the water released on Impact. Like Spitzer, because it was so far away, the SWAS submillimeter wave antenna was "seeing" the entire comet's coma -- that vast cloud of gas and dust (including water vapor) which had been slowly outgassing from Tempel 1 in the weeks before Deep Impact arrived ....

But, in direct contradiction to Lisse's Spitzer report -- this is what the Harvard-Smithsonian SWAS Team published on July 8th; what they "saw" at Impact:
"It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet [emphasis added]."
The SWAS team measured about 730 pounds of water per second being released from Tempel 1 before Impact. And, about 550 pounds per second after ... indicating that the collision actually slowed the water release rate!
Remember, these observations were also averaging the previous material with "the new stuff": the water vaporized directly by the Impact ... together with the H2O previously present in the coma. If that latter number went down -- which it did, as SWAS observed the Comet -- it could only mean one thing:
That -- in striking contrast to what Linda was told by Lisse -- the material exploding out of Tempel 1 after it was struck, was essentially ... BONE DRY!!
Only that type of event could explain the SWAS team's unequivocal evidence of a reduction in average water in the coma -- both in absolute terms, and as a percentage of total material ... after the Impactor hit the Comet!
Not exactly a "stunning confirmation" of Lisse's (obviously) biased reporting of the Spitzer water observations of Tempel 1 ....
Now, if we only had access to the Deep Impact Fly-By spacecraft data of the plume itself ... ALL these (apparent?) contradictions could be easily resolved ... Oops, I forgot: according to Dr. Lisse, Deep Impact was pointing the wrong way at that critical moment!
How ... "unfortunate."
* * *
Despite this last-minute, obviously attempted "save" of the "dirty snowball model," what Lisse told Linda next is REALLY fascinating: because ... it supports the exact opposite of that "standard" NASA cometary model ....
Dr. Lisse:
"... we've concluded so far that we see every major rock-forming element that makes up the Earth in this Comet Tempel I [emphasis added]."
Well ... not every element ....
"Except for iron ... the iron is hiding.
"We're trying to figure that out: is it just not easy to see in the infrared? Or, is the iron hiding in an iron oxide or iron sulfide, pyrite or rust [emphasis added]?"
Of course, this is where the Deep Impact Fly-By spectra would be MOST useful.
In those first few seconds, as the plume of super-heated hot gases and plasma rushed out of the hole created in Tempel 1 by the 6.3 mile-per-second Impact, even iron bound up in some oxide should have been split into raw elements -- the iron revealing itself through primary iron emission lines ... as the material erupting would have been (for those first few seconds) ... hotter than the surface of the Sun!
And, of course, if the iron was hiding as "iron oxides" (as Lisse rather desperately suggested ...) -- these are seen all the time (as solid minerals) in on-going IR observations of the planets: the current Mars Odyssey, Mars Express and Mars Rover spectral observations are seeing (and identifying) all sorts of iron compounds in the Martian rocks and dust these days ....
So, the fact that Dr. Lisse can't seem to find ANY iron in his "... 5 to 40 micron wavelength" Spitzer spectra of Comet Tempel 1, even after such a violent, high-temperature impact, must be trying very hard to tell us "something" .... [Or ... is it Dr. Lisse who's trying to do "the telling" -- between (sorry ...) his missing "spectral lines?"]

Bottom line: this striking "lack of iron" in Tempel 1 is impossible ... if the "standard" comet model is correct! Which, of course, is why Dr. Lisse was so obviously concerned ....
* * *
In the classic processes envisioned for the formation of the solar system (above), iron is thought to have been amply represented (and mixed into the so-called "solar nebula") -- along with all the other elemental and chemical constituents which eventually went on to form the planets, via a process called "accretion."
This iron is thought to have formed originally via "nucleosynthesis" in massive stars, and then to have spread across the interstellar night via their eventual catastrophic explosions -- as brilliant "supernovae." In this standard "element synthesis model," it is these massive exploding stars which ultimately "seed" interstellar clouds of collapsing gas and dust ("accreting solar systems" ...) with all the elements heavier than hydrogen and helium needed to make planets ....
Including iron.
If comets in general -- and Tempel 1 in particular -- are truly representative of the "pristine, materials" which in a distant time collapsed to form our solar system's worlds ... then iron should be readily apparent in the cloud of material which erupted from Deep Impact.
If it is NOT ....
Then, just perhaps, comets -- and certainly Tempel 1 -- are NOT "pristine remnants of that ancient forming solar system" after all ....
And ... wouldn't THAT be interesting?
The one known process which could deplete Tempel 1 of essentially ALL its iron, of course, would be if it is, actually, a surviving fragment of highly differentiated, former planetary crust ....
Which was blown into deep space with the catastrophic explosion of Planet V -- EXACTLY as Tom Van Flandern (from his celestial mechanics calculations) and I (from the "Mars Tidal Model") have been saying for some time!!
In this scenario, billions of years ago the "missing iron" in Tempel 1 -- except for trace amounts -- sank to the center of its parent planet during its formation, to form a "nickel-iron core." When Planet V exploded billions of years later, these "highly-differentiated outer fragments" (severely depleted in primordial iron) were ejected first ... so we are far more likely to see still remaining fragments of this ancient planetary crust ... as opposed to any remnants of the former planet's iron core (which would have vaporized anyway, as the internal pressures were suddenly released) ....
From the data that Lisse has provided us, Tempel 1 is increasingly looking like one of those ... a surviving crustal fragment of this exploded planet!
This also easily now explains Lisse's other provocative statement:
" ... we see every major rock-forming element that makes up the Earth in this Comet Tempel I [emphasis added]."
Of course he does ... because, based on this evidence, Comet Tempel 1 was once a part of the highly-differentiated surface of a planet just like Earth ... called "Planet V!"
But, the coup de grâce for the "primordial" Tempel 1 comet model came with Lisse's most astonishing revelation to Ms. Howe.
That:
"... and we have also found evidence for carbonate in Deep Impact ....
"Carbonate is interesting in that it's like calcium carbonate, limestone, that you find on the Earth. We do not think there is any indication for life, before I go down that road, or [that] there is any intimation of that. Carbonates are interesting in that hints of them were seen once in Comet Halley. They are controversial because folks will be surprised to see them. Usually you need a liquid water environment to form them. You have carbon dioxide. You have water. And you have silicates, then you can form carbonate.
"What's confusing is that comets, as far as we know, were formed at about 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin above absolute zero. Very cold! Think 'ice ball' -- and very little chemistry can happen to them.
"On the other hand, you have 5 billion years to make stuff ....
"So even if you are making things extremely slowly ... it's possible you can make carbonates in a solid state.
"Now, it's also possible that our chemistry folks will tell us, that what you did was form the carbonates in the primordial cloud that condensed into the solar system. That you did your [wet] chemistry before you condensed your comet at 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin. So this might be another clue as to the recipe to how things came together [emphasis added] ...."
* * *
Or ... not!
Remember that little scientific cliche called Occam's Razor -- "the simplest explanation for a given phonomenon is usually the one that turns out to be correct" ...? This is the time to bring it back -- with a vengence.
The simplest explanation for the discovery of calcium carbonate in Tempel 1 is that it formed in those same oceans that created the sedimentary "beach sand" (silicon dioxide) that the Gemini North Observatory Team independently reported at Deep Impact several weeks ago!
According to the July 7th official Gemini North press release:
"'... The properties of the mid-infrared light [5 to 28 microns] were completely transformed after impact,' said David Harker of the University of San Diego, co-investigator for the research team. 'In addition to brightening by a factor of about 4, the characteristics of the mid-infrared light was like a chameleon and within five minutes of the collision it looked like an entirely new object.' Harker's research partner Chick Woodward of the University of Minnesota speculated further, 'We are possibly seeing crystalline silicates which might even be similar to the beach sand here in Hawaii! This data will keep us busy trying to figure out the size and composition of these grains to better understand the similarities and differences between the material contained within comets and other bodies in the solar system [emphasis added] ..."
What could be simpler: two compounds discovered in Tempel 1, via two indepentent teams -- "limestone" and "beach sand!" -- each specifically requiring liquid water for their formation ....
Simple, of course ... if you then realize that Tempel 1 was once part of a major planet -- which obviously had major oceans!

Lisse had other fascinating things to say in his interview with Linda -- including, dropping hints about some unusual "hydrocarbon compounds" Spitzer had observed in Tempel 1 ... such as "PAHs" (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) . He also went into more detail on what Spitzer had NOT seen ....
It's the "not" which, for the moment, is of far more significance.
For, in addition to NOT detecting iron, Lisse admitted that:
"What's [also] missing is ammonia. The amino in the word 'amino acid' is ammonia. But it does not mean ammonia is not there (on Comet Tempel I); ammonia has been terribly difficult to detect very well in comets. We have seen hints of it. We're pretty sure it is in comets. But it is hard to find [emphasis added] ...."
Perhaps ... because it really isn't there!?
Looking for ammonia in comets, again, is totally premised on the idea that comets are "primordial."
The nitrogen (N2) found in Earth's current atmosphere, the same gas found in Mars' atmosphere, and the tiny amount even present in Venus' atmosphere ... is all thought by planetary scientists to originally come from the breakdown of primordial ammonia (NH3), formed in the infant solar nebula and accreted into planets. And, since comets have to be (according to most of these same folks) the untouched pre-planetary products of that same nebular accretion process (and thus "primordial") -- these same planetary science folks (according to Dr. Lisse) have spent a LOT of time over the history of comet observations looking for precisely such "cometary ammonia"--
Without luck.
Of course, if the nitrogen observed in Tempel 1 by Spitzer -- bound with elements other than just hydrogen, forming more interesting compounds like "hydrogen cyanide" (HCN) or "methyl cyanide" (C2H3N1) -- is actually derived from a secondary planetary atmosphere ... from a source of free nitrogen like our own, on a highly evolved world that one day catastrophically exploded ... then the so-far fruitless search for the "missing cometary ammonia" also becomes just another dead end in the "comets are primordial" scenario.
But, it is Lisse's physical description of Tempel 1, based on the highest resolution imagery Deep Impact acquired (which we have not yet seen, of course), which puts it all together:
"We've gotten the up-close images that will be released soon [now ... that's interesting .... Didn't someone on the Mission just a few weeks ago claim these close-up images were "hopelesslly blurred!?" ...] -- and there's all kinds of interesting geology on this body.
"It's got at least three different terrains that look very different. It's got young and old craters (we think it's been cratered for ten million to a hundred million years). It's got all kinds of structure on it.
"... Tempel I is nothing like just an ice ball that's been put together 5 billion years ago, and [is still] slowly boiling off; it's got a lot of things going on [emphasis added] ...."

In other words ....
Far from being the simple "dirty snowball" that so many had expected, Tempel 1 -- even from this glimpse at partial data -- has turned out to be a bewilderingly complex object, both chemically and physically ... with astonishing geological diversity packed into a volume of only a few miles ....
Not exactly an historical description of your "average mainstream comet."
But, exactly how one would describe a collection of "ancient, layered rocks" ... evolved on the surface of geologically diverse world like our own planet, and then literally smashed together in an almost inconceivable planetary explosion ... which ejected this assembled fragment deep into the outer solar system ... until the Deep Impact spacecraft found it.
Voila: an almost "textbook example" of Van Flandern's "Exploding Planet Hypothesis!"
* * *
We must hand it to Linda Moulton Howe for securing even this limited degree of information regarding this increasingly mysterious NASA Comet Mission. It should be obvious by now that Comet Tempel 1 is anything but what most of the NASA investigators involved in trying to understand Deep Impact's data must have expected ... when they began their search "for the origins of comets" on this Mission over seven years ago ....
Perhaps that explains their scientific shock, reflected -- as opposed to ALL previous NASA planetary missions -- in their obvious reluctance to release their increasingly amazing data from Deep Impact ... even after several weeks.
And -- their apparent willingness to "go along" with even the most absurd of "cover stories" re this Mission -- in hopes perhaps that some might buy them precious time, to truly understand what a few scientists must now be realizing as "the almost inconceivable": hard, scientific evidence of an actual exploded world!
"Cover stories" that persist and are still growing, even though these multiple excuses re Deep Impact -- put forth in these last weeks by a variety of individuals -- are now quite blatantly and ridiculously contradicting one another ....
* * *
Meanwhile, our own NASA "inside sources" are working quietly to gather additional information for us on this increasingly bizarre Mission ... to help us understand this increasingly mysterious -- but crucial -- "miniature world" called "Tempel 1."
Some new data has already been provided -- and correlates well with what Dr. Lisse has now (inadvertantly?) disclosed.
But much work still remains before we can publish our own Model -- on what we believe NASA's really found ... and doesn't quite know how to tell us ....
Stay tuned.
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791 Comments:
The 'exploding' planet....Maldek,Bellona
http://www.paoweb.com/sn102202.htm
exploded or blasted?...........
Thomas said...
>The 'exploding' planet....Maldek,Bellona
>http://www.paoweb.com/sn102202.htm
>exploded or blasted?...........<
What do YOU think? :)
Excellent introduction...
and WOW
to add also, good insight and journalism...
This is getting real real exciting...
After reading the blog on the hollow moon, It's become more and more obvious, that something MAJOR happened.
An exploded planet (V) is of course a bad omen :)
Mark 13:1 "temple one"
Parable of the last days...
keep pulling the strings cap'n
J aka 'Brian'
Richard,
Here are my unscientific thoughts:
"It should be obvious by now that Comet Tempel 1 is anything but what most of the NASA investigators involved in trying to understand Deep Impact's data must have expected "
It's about peer review and the ugly system which revolves around it. Had that system been in place as the 20th century opened, we'd still be using candles and the pony express.
Deep Impact is the best example so far (Mars has long been controversial both in science and in the general public's minds.) I can remember way back when I was a kid in the 40s that comets were dirty snowballs. Over the decades, many scientific authorities have staked their professional careers and reputations on that model. Then along comes these various guys no one has ever heard of, stepping on highly placed academic toes with some radical contradictory idea.
Naturally, these 'new kids' want their papers published, their grants renewed and their careers to grow as their reputations increase, until they too reach the rarified higher academic circles. They certainly do not wish to be 'blackballed' by attempting to publish papers which will step on the toes of their betters, nor care to see - their likely sole source of income - their grants dry up.
"Perhaps that explains their scientific shock... and their apparent willingness to "go along" with even the most absurd of "cover stories" re this Mission"
So they will say anything to maintain their standing.
"...in hopes perhaps that some might buy them precious time..."
Until the public and media forget the whole thing.
Stories:
"'Cover stories' that persist and are still growing, even though these multiple excuses re Deep Impact - put forth in these last weeks by a variety of individuals - are now quite blatantly and ridiculously contradicting one another..."
Of course. Any good detective knows that when suspects are separated - if they are lying - will tell so many different versions, they can no longer keep track of what they said before. They are ALL lying.
Composition:
LimeSTONE - have these guys ever actually seen a piece of limestone? It's STONE. Solid, hard, made in layers. Not some crumbly accretion of particles. It is formed under PRESSURE. A lot of it.
Sand. Well, gee whizakeers. 3 years olds - in my day at least - knew that sand is formed by WEATHER, eroding stuff or the pounding action of waves on the shells of SEA CREATURES. Depending on which type of sand we are talking about.
Queation:
So who besides the nearly brain-dead major/minor media - who's reporters nearly made in out of High School and spend most of their time focusing/compulsively obsessing on salacious crimes and movie/sports stars - buys this #$?
Answer:
The public at large. Who closely self-identifies with those same reporters. Thus a non-story and on to the next ratings generator gruesome murder.
Future:
My bets are on the Chinese, graduating 600,000 engineers a year, compared to our 60,000 who - from recent reports - are unable to grasp even the basic fundamentals of good engineering (see the Shuttle report just released).
NASA needs - if it wishes to remain competitive and lead the way into space - have extremely difficult and rigorous entrance exams across ALL disciplines for ALL positions. These exams must be created by people who have been repetitively proven to be highly competent in their fields - even if you have to drag the test makers out of retirement homes!
Further ALL current employees must also take the same exam. All hose who fail, reassigned or asked to resign. All those who receive less than an 'A', retrained.
Question: not Queation: - sorry - still retraining my left hand an index finger.
Wanted to share this, it was real interesting as the coincidence with this blog too...
Any thoughts on this?
Cometary Collision Creates Catastrophic Consequences
Story not rated Written by Michael Goodspeed
One Small Step Towards Doom?
CAPE CANAVERAL -- (AP) The Deep Impact space mission came to a spectacular climax on July 4, 2005, when NASA successfully collided an 820-pound copper projectile into a giant comet (Tempel 1). The explosion from the impact was far more energetic than scientists had anticipated, and the resulting fireworks were a sight to behold.
NASA officials gave their assurances that the cometary collision would have no affect on planet Earth, comparing it to a pebble bouncing off of a Boeing 747. But not everyone is so sure. For several weeks, a massive hail of meteoric debris has been raining steadily on the Northern Hemisphere, and some folks are beginning to wonder if NASA is to blame.
In late July, in a small rural community outside of Aberdeen, Scotland, a bathtub-sized meteor crashed in the backyard of farmer Shane Haggis while he was hoeing his soil. He and his family were unhurt, but his entire herd of Highland sheep were instantly vaporized. Haggis had never heard of Deep Impact or of NASA, but upon learning of the space mission, he is demanding accountability.
"If those galoots with their pointy ears and bleedin' gubs brought this rock down on me sheep, I'm gonna shove me baw bag in their faces, and jam me wife's fanny matter down their gobs! Ah'm awfy peely wally over this!"
Another person adversely affected by the meteor bombardment is rocker Courtney Love, whose latest court hearing in Los Angeles was interrupted when a 9 pound meteorite crashed through the courthouse ceiling. Love was unhurt, but her public defender attorney was decapitated by a flying piece of molten rock.
While NASA remains curiously silent on this growing controversy, speculations on the internet are rampant. One mysterious figure who gave advance warning of the cometary fallout goes by the name of "Aussie Bloke". Prior to July 4, Bloke predicted that NASA's mission would trigger the Apocalypse spoken of in the Old Testament, when fire and stone would rain from the sky, and God would cast His judgment on man.
In his most recent internet posting (which was made from a secret underground facility somewhere south of Perth), Mr. Bloke gave a dire forecast for humanity's future. "Game's up, mate. No one will survive, neither a bastard nor an ankle bitter. No use riding the brumby out of town, cause the whole bloody race is going to cark it. G'day!"
Last week, while being interviewed on a late-night radio show, Bloke was asked a series of questions about the ensuing cataclysm. The host began by asking, "Is Aussie Bloke your real name?"
"Yes", Mr. Bloke replied. "My parents named me 'Aussie Bloke'. And I have a brother named 'Limey Doofus', and a sister named 'Stroke-you-off-Sheila'. Dumb dipstick".
Callers to the radio program argued that the recent meteoric activity is just the Perseid meteor shower, which NASA predicted would be unusually intense this year. But Mr. Bloke did not buy it.
"I don't give a cat's piss for what those bloody NASA cobs say about 'meteor this', or 'comet that'. Bunch of bloody figjams, they think we're all knockers. Give a bloke a fair go, or smell my doodle!"
In a related story, a Russian astrologer who is suing NASA over the Deep Impact mission has asked Mr. Bloke to testify at her trial. However, Bloke insists that we will all be dead long before any court date arrives.
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i9000
J aka 'Brian'
PS
he story as represented above is written as a satire or parody. It is fictitious
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i9000&rating=5
Just in case anyone's taking the above story as fact
But it's interesting that NEWs media are starting or are writing these news articles
Something is up...
Staying STUNED...
J aka 'Brian'
BTW - altered my preferences in Firefox to white backgraound and Times. Reloaded and the page looks very nice - images are fine and text very readable. A personal preference.
For you:
Simpily replace the 9 occurances in your Blogger template of:
"Trebuchet MS",Trebuchet,Arial,Verdana,Sans-serif
(Leave the trailing semi-colon. So - Times; )
with Times (or Times New Roman- if you lack Times), save and republish. Takes less than two minutes.
I realize this might be a dead subject with you, but I will say that an overwheling majority of web users - like 98% - simpily skip anything which has a black or colored background and white or colored text - more so if the text is long and on a comlpex subject.
If you wish to speak to and be read by those beyond your current audience, this simple change will help a great deal.
Forget - cool, kwel or standards - the question is the human eye and comprehending representions of words. No book is published on black paper with white text for a reason - they would not sell.
Richard,
Given that a variety of professionals and organizations appear to be contradicting one another, have there been any public comments regarding these contradictions among the parties involved? I would expect a certain level of professional animosity to have arisen by now as people defend their career positions. Are you aware of any such incidents?
Thumbs up !!!
No theory can ever stand up to an observation and you've given the world superior observations in spite of the best data being with-held !!
This Deep Impact 'wait until January' story demonstrates how the scientific method is vulnerable to manipulation, spin, dark-archiving and opens up the space that those on the 'inside track' need to operate. Part of the $333M should have included a 'no contempt for the public' clause, or maybe a clause that says, 'institutional privilege', such as the quarantine of data, should ONLY be used in an emergency situation. It should not be used to leverage another mission, or generate hype & media exposure for the NASA priesthood.
Maybe Linda Moulton Howe should ask her source to comment, or give her a chance to offer equal or better observations. Data with-held ? Or Data non-existent ? Was the mission a success or a failure ?
I saw Dr. A'Hearn on NASA TV looking pretty satisfied with himself. He was confident and his body language matched his quotes - I think the data does exist ... and belongs to the people who paid for it.
Richard, Hello
Excellent article, so well laid out.
From an old clipping (Pop Sci 1995), I posted earlier a reminder about the huge impact crater on the Moon called The South Pole -Aitken Crater. Apparently it is the largest and deepest (known)in the solar system and nicely hidden on the dark side of the Moon. Current notion is that a 125 mile wide object struck it a glancing blow.
Coupled with the knowledge that Uranus is laying on its side, with rings that are pitch black, warped, tilted, and bizarrely elliptical. Same with All its moonlets, absolutely pitch black.
The moon Nereid at Neptune has very dark material on one side. This seems very much like your descriptions of Lapetus at Saturn that has black material on just one side (ala ying/yang).
These other given signitures that were already known, couple well with your posting today and the key concept of the exploding Planet V. I'm really starting to understand the premise of the exploding planet as an event of huge proportions affecting the whole solar system.
So, o.k. fine, that is the past.
Are you believing that we are due in near time for a repeat kind of experience as that?
Certainly, you have shown we are way beyond mere "global warming" these days, and have shown the other areas of the local system that are dynamically active and changing as well.
What's you sense, on the near future activity?
Heads up too...
$333 for Tempel 1 mission
333 eh?
666 is a mans number (Revelation)
look at the numbers below;
Zotob Worm outbreak, August 18th,
As a reminder a catchup to any newbies reading these blogs, I mentioned on the 18th the EASE of writing a good virus etc...
Then this happened, an outbreak of ZOTOB, a PORT Broadcasting WORM
Each of our PC's is joined to the internet that you could liken to a water pipe, our own connection is likened to a Mosquito, sucking water out of the pipe.
Zotob though, turns the water that the Mosquito is sipping, as our PC is sipping data of the internet, gets contaminated, by a constant STREAM OF DATA to an OPEN port.
(Waters turned to wormwood?)
THE TCP/IP port numbers are crucial for every day internet data transfer.
For instance WWW access is TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) port 80 or 8080
ZOTOB though used these ports...
Familiar numbers here anyone?
August 18, 2005 12:25 PM US Eastern Timezone
Network Engines' Issues Prescriptive Security Alert and Recommendation Re: Zotob, Seven New Threats Uncovered
CANTON, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 18, 2005--Network Engines, a leading OEM appliance partner for Microsoft security solutions, in partnership with its NICE technology partners, has identified two more versions of Zotob. We are now tracking seven (7) Zotob permutations that are exploiting the PnP vulnerability. The worms are all based on versatile attack programs, known as bot software, which have added the ability to spread via a flaw in Microsoft's Windows Plug-and-Play functionality. Several bot programs had incorporated the code to exploit the flaw late last week, and starting with the Zotob worm, began adding the ability to automatically find and infect systems by last weekend. As of yesterday morning, at least 12 versions of bot software were using the exploit to spread. It is also important to note that not all PnP exploits are characterized as Zotob, and some may escape AV detection all together. Several new bots, including two based on IRCBot, three on Botzori, two variants of Esbot, a version of Bobax, and a version of Spybot may escape AV detection.
Zotob.A
Executable size: 22,528 bytes
Executable Name: botzor.exe
Ports: TCP - 445,8080,33333
Aliases: Zotob.A (F-Secure), W32/Zotob.worm (McAfee), W32/Zotob-A (Sophos), WORM_ZOTOB.A (Trend)
Other details - Opens FTP server on port 33333, copies 2pac.txt and haha.exe to the system directory, adds itself to the run and run services in the registry. Modifies the hosts file to prevent updating of antivirus and security programs from updating.
Zotob.B
Executable size: 27,648 bytes
Executable Name: csm.exe
Ports: TCP - 445,8080,33333
Aliases: Zotob.B (F-Secure) W32/Zotob.worm.b (McAfee) W32/Zotob-B (Sophos) WORM_ZOTOB.B (Trend Micro)
Other details - Opens FTP server on port 33333, copies 2pac.txt and haha.exe to the system directory, adds itself to the run and run services in the registry. Modifies the hosts file to prevent updating of antivirus and security programs from updating.
Zotob.C
Executable size: 41,984 bytes
Executable Name: per.exe
Ports: TCP - 445,8080,33333
Other details - Mass-mailing worm uses a predefined list of recipient names appending the domain names that it gathers from an infected computer. Contains its own SMTP engine to email to the addresses that it finds. Opens FTP server on port 33333, adds itself to the run and run services in the registry. Modifies the hosts file to prevent updating of antivirus and security programs from updating.
Zotob.D
Executable size: 51,326 bytes
Executable name: windrg32.exe
Ports: TCP - 6667,1117,445
Other details - Opens FTP server on port 11173, attempts to end a variety of processes, Modifies the registry and deletes a variety of registry entries, and deletes a variety of files from the system and program files directories, adds itself to the run and run services in the registry. Modifies the hosts file to prevent updating of antivirus and security programs from updating.
Zotob.E
Executable size: 10,366 bytes
Executable Name: wintbp.exe
Ports: TCP - 8594,8080,445, UDP - 69
Aliases: WORM_RBOT.CBQ (Trend Micro)
Other details - Opens TFTP server on port UDP 69, Connects to IRC server at 72.20.27.115 on TCP port 8080 to listen for update instructions, adds itself to the run in the registry.
Zotob.F
Executable size: 10,878 bytes
Executable name: wintbpx.exe
Ports: TCP - 445
Other details - Opens multiple TCP ports. Connects to IRC server at 72.20.41.139 to listen for update instructions, adds itself to the run in the registry, creates a file named %Temp%\(NUMBER) which if successful contains TFTP scripts to download additional files.
Zotob.G
Executable size: 73,728 bytes
Executable name: windrg32.exe
Ports: TCP - 445,6667,1171
Aliases: W32.Drudebot.A
Related because of the related 333 and 666 numbers...
These are NOT ACCIDENTAL ports!
specifically targetting numbers in this way is trying to tell us all something...
PIF, Crypt0, TempleMaster333 what do you think?
5. Do not rely on TCP/33333 FTP service detection - Configuring intrusion detection systems to monitor for outbound TCP 3333 service establishment is effective for detecting compromised systems infected with Zytob variants A-C. However replying of port 3333 service detection will not identify all potential compromised systems as port 3333 is not used consistently in the latest bot variants. It is necessary to configure service detection policies for all phone home permutations (see worm profiles described above).
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050818005468&newsLang=en
J aka 'Brian'
Indeed they are trying to tell you that continuing to use Windoz will cause you and others increased havoc. At the least, install a Linux distrib. Else get a $500 miniMac and pooof the whole worm, trojan, virus adware, malware, spyware problem disappears. Play your games offline on the PC, or on a disinfected LAN. Use another box - either Linux or OSX - for online work.
You are right the infestation is not accidental, but someone else's recreation. Further, those ports like all others on MS OSs are deliberately left open. If you as a MS OS guru are aware and able you can close them, but the next necessary patch from MS will open more. In other words, it is a no win battle for the guru and a nightmare for the avg. user.
It's a test of your real world survival skills - continue and 'die', or switch operating systems and 'live'.
IMHO
Well said PIF! :)
"...It's a test of your real world survival skills - continue and 'die', or switch operating systems and 'live'.
IMHO
20/8/05 8:45 AM"
LINUX :-D
Building another server as of yesterday, a back for hosting all our BLOGS ;)
of Course, if I could afford a SUN SPARC true multi threaded processor...
333.33 hours and minutes on the last shuttle mission too
and dont forget
The name Satan is mentioned 69 times in the bible, that port is used up there too... as well as being popular for other reasons...
J aka 'Brian joining up the dots'
A'Hearn at Newscientist.com says photos are "hopelessly blurred;" then Dr. Lisse says at earthfiles.com that the spectrometer was pointed in the wrong direction, both statements contradicting what was said on July 4th.
The really depressing thing about this is how easy it is to blur the truth and misdirect the public with impunity. At what point do we stop being so deferential to these people and start calling them bald-face liars, even if the lies are enforced by some overarching Brookings/NSA policy?
Over the past two years, I've e-mailed the writers working for many of these online publications like space.com, asking for their personal opinions and encouraging them to be more aggressive and persistent. They always take the time to write back, but their responses always seem to reflect a corporate policy and are maddingly lacking in personal opinion. "Oh, well, we'll just have to wait and see......." It's like asking the local meteorologist about global warming, and instead of getting an informed opinion, one gets a policy statement from their employer that suggests that they aren't allowed to have an opinion. Everyone in the media (present company excepted) seems to have had their wings clipped and that is sad.
Excuse me, I have some moisture caught behind my lens.......
Geez J, or 'Brian', or whatever your name is... Thank you for your constant spam of crap.
And Richard, I apologize for adding to the mess, but seeing all the unrelated, potentially distracting drivle pushed one too many buttons today.
Keep up the great reporting and investigative work! If only mainstream news media could follow suit.
Enki,
The public does not care about ("blur the truth and misdirect the public with impunity.") - it's just entertainment - why else do you imagine that space.com et al don't have their own cable network? Because they don't do crime - which is what gets ratings.
People like us are in the minority - we care about knowledge - the sciences, basic research, history education et al.
This public apathy is a large part of the battle Richard and others fight.
Off to saw, fall, hack, haul and spray.
Anonymous said...
Geez J, or 'Brian', or whatever your name is... Thank you for your constant spam of crap..."
Yes Richard is doing GREAT work
Your $0.33 cents of CRAP just added to the fact that you R Asleep in your WINDOZE world
good luck
drink coffee
$666 on this Aarmageddon;
have fun Dec 10th 2005!
jasgrave333.blospot.com
I remember writing styles and input I will looking for your WRITING STYLE AND BLOG
if/when you have the bollox to write something MEANINGFULL
if you can't take the heat, stay away from DA kitchen
Otherwise, PLEASE share with me your WISE insights OH knowledgable ONE!!!
J aka 'ABADDON'
Richard,
Only slightly OT: What's your take on Eisenhower's theory that Phobos is an artificial structure?
Jasgrave, Hi
its about that which is hex (or hexed), that learned to re-pent.
re-----pent ur-nest in-phi knit (infinite)
Dear Bloggers,
Focus please. Stick with the subject matter.
IonTruO2 said...
Jasgrave, Hi
its about that which is hex (or hexed), that learned to re-pent.
re-----pent ur-nest in-phi knit (infinite)
20/8/05 10:01 AM"
Bro, now that is Insight
yes RE-PENT (Five)
WOW, I like, good coffee...
J aka 'Brian'
Anonymous said...
Dear Bloggers,
Focus please. Stick with the subject matter.
20/8/05 10:03 AM
Anonnymouse, we are all these blogs are linked...
Can catch up here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/deep-impact-deepening-doo-doo.html
J aka 'Brian'
ENOUGH WITH THE SPAM ALREADY DAMMIT!
I only skimmed over the Exploded Planet link, but what I did read seems awfully... L.Ron-esque.
> Mark 13:1 "temple one" <
The original Mark 13:1 Bible quote:
"And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!"
My rewording:
"And as it went out of Temple One, one of its instruments said...'Nasa, see what interesting stones and buildings are here!'"
“….Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral result….”.
First, NASA says camera photographed impactor location. Then NASA says, camera problem … photos blury. Then the mothership, as RHC said, was’ put up for eBay aucton’. Richard points out they are selling unit with defective camera. Then NSAS says, oh, camera is OK, was just pinted in wrong direction,
Considering all the $$$ spent and all the big-brains involved, how can it be this sloppy--
room322
"While NASA remains curiously silent on this growing controversy, speculations on the internet are rampant. One mysterious figure who gave advance warning of the cometary fallout goes by the name of "Aussie Bloke". Prior to July 4, Bloke predicted that NASA's mission would trigger the Apocalypse spoken of in the Old Testament, when fire and stone would rain from the sky, and God would cast His judgment on man."
An article parodying NASA and Australians in one.... brilliant. Though being both a bloke and an Aussie (also strangely from Perth), gives the article a more personal touch.
""I don't give a cat's piss for what those bloody NASA cobs say about 'meteor this', or 'comet that'. Bunch of bloody figjams, they think we're all knockers."
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
It's frustrating sitting all the way over here in Australia, I feel like i have no real power to do anything of any benefit for this cause. I can try get everyone I know onto the bandwagon, but no one really cares.... everyone hates America anyway, rather than seeing this as a travesty against all people.. anyone you tell just adds it to the list of reasons why they are glad they live in Australia.
People are so caught up in the petty problems of their own lives that something like this doesn’t even hit the radar. Combine that with the fact that a huge proportion of the population wouldn't even understand what the word "spectra" or "cometary coma" or even comprehend that you can identify individual elements (some of which they probably have never heard of) from the data obtained means that they change channels, turn the page or just zone out and don’t even take in the information.
Perhaps I will find the contact information for Australian Papers, so all the Australian Readers can do their own campaign to get this information out.
I'll get back to you on that one.
PS. Great post Richard
Aussie Bloke,
Reckon! You're right bonzer, mate.
Pretty sad when us Yanks need a restaurant menu from a popular outback-themed American restaurant chain (which shall remain nameless) in order to decipher comments from our own Anglo counterparts.
Think I need a pint now. I'm such a wanker...
Richard,
Would it be possible for the spectrometers in the Deep Impact, the Spitzer or other instruments to have detected any ISOTOPES ? If so, might it not be possible to estimate the age of the comet based on the various radioactive decay techniques available ? If excessive radioactivity is present, perhaps that would give a clue as to how Planet V met it's end ?
Richard,
Fascinating timing re: two seperate interplanetary analyses.
1. Comet Temple 1, not what was expected mineralogically. This could mean many comets are not nebular in origin.
2. This month, in “Nature” magazine, University of Toronto announces (via NASA and CSA $) --not all condrite meteorites are nebular!
So, solar system meteoroids are *much younger* than expected.
A quote from the geologist Yuri Amelin:
“We think these chondrules were formed by a giant plume of vapor produced when two planetary embryos, somewhere between moon-size and Mars-size, collided.”
A new vision of the origin of our solar system is emerging. You are at the fore.
room322.com
unipax said...
>Richard C. Hoagland said...
Thomas said...
>The 'exploding' planet....Maldek,Bellona
>http://www.paoweb.com/sn102202.htm
>exploded or blasted?...........<
What do YOU think? :) <
Well, I'm thinking; How on earth would a planet explode on its own in the first place?'
Do planets just go around exploding on their own? Why would they do that anyway?
THANKS, Skipper, for great new Blog Post.
Onward and upward !
uni
'What causes a planet to explode?' Here's one answer..
I recall from a book on Tesla about an oscillating device that would cause a planet to explode. A quick search online and I found this..
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_8.htm
And low and behold another 'Enterprise' web page..
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper2.html
Charles
:-)
Could the '2nd Face' off to the right of 'the' Face
be an image of the lifeforms that evolved on Planet V ?
(I refer to the piccy in Monuments of Mars 5th Edition,
Plate 45....the Cliff photographed at a 20 degree angle
...a little mentioned photo...could it be cus it looks
so damn spooky....like a lifeform ?)
Barney
Woops...also is there a non-lossy version
available of the Keith Laney, Themis, colour
image of the Face and D&M (the one showing the
reflectivity differences) ?
djbarney
I have a suggestion : sites and stories not directly related to Deep Impact, but indirectly related (ritual numbers like 33 and 666 etc) be linked, with a max. of one carriage return, but not copy/pasted (for space & viewing ease).
>latter_days_aint said...
What's your take on Eisenhower's theory that Phobos is an artificial structure?<
Is that President Eisenhower's theory ? I saw the video of the cylindrical something knocking out the Russian Probe.
>Enki said...
The public does not care about ("blur the truth and misdirect the public with impunity.") - it's just entertainment - why else do you imagine that space.com et al don't have their own cable network? Because they don't do crime - which is what gets ratings.<
Yes, I've noticed A&E has always got a crime show ... is that art or entertainment ?
> People like us are in the minority - we care about knowledge - the sciences, basic research, history education et al.<
I would clarify/edit that to say we are told repeatedly through non-consensual public culture that politicians are bad, while CEOs are politically and socially neutral.
If only the people had the truth, they would make it their business to follow the bouncing ball ... instead of watching 50yr old cheerleaders on Entertainment Tonight. (sorry, I'm getting pithy again).
I think changing the public apathy means thinning out the degree of corporate control over the media. It's a conflict of interest, as is interlocking Boards of Directors.
Richard,
Great blog on the contradictions.
In an earlier blog you asked if I had any other evidence about the Tempel Cat other than it looks like a cat.
Yes and no. No proof. Too bad the $333 million didn't pay for a stereo camera on the impactor so we could have up close and personal 3-D color pictures of the unusual structures. Then we could view them on our ViewMaster, like Tom Corbett, space cadet. :)
In my model, the cat is a free standing sculpture, and is casting a shadow that is dark and falls behind some adjacent structures.
The cat is (probably now "was")standing on either a very white building or a constructed pool of water/ice, such as in a fountain.
My previous estimate of the size was a bit off. I rechecked the given dimensions of the comet nucleus and had used approx 4 miles for the width instead of approx 3.1 miles (5 km).
The cat is seen from slightly above and from from its right side, but about 45 degrees from a front-on view. In other words, a quarter profile. The right front leg is reflected in the white area, but not the hind legs. Possibly the glare (reflection of the sun) is too bright and covers that reflection.
Since the picture is rotated 180* from JPL release, the sunlight is from the left. The cat's tail is brighter to the viewer's left. The shadow falls off to the viewer's right. The cat's left chest area is in shadow.
BTW the media reports about the comet being the size of Manhattan were exagerated. More like the size of lower manhattan up to about 50th street.
Questions: We have been given length and height of Tempel 1 nucleus. Do we know the depth (thickness)?
If a piece of planet surface had liquid water, such as a beach, or a lake, or waterfalls, or a stream or streams, or pools or fountains on it, and it were suddenly exploded off-planet into the vacuum and coldness of space, would some of that water stay in place and freeze in place?
Can you tell us more about PAHs?
Thanks again for the great blog, cap'n.
More questions later.
Gort
Have just reread the RCH Tempel 1 report. This is really well thought out work. Deserving of a direct NASA response.
We wrestle with olden concepts though modern interpretations.
By the 1950s general public “knew” there were belts of vegetation on Mars. Ice and snow at the poles was accepted. Many believed there were artificial channels which once held water. Most believed the asteroid belt was an exploded planet. Many were searching for another Planet X. And, the cores of these ideas were research-active by early 20th century.
Today, we’re inching closer to the Big Answers--
room322.com
telepath said...
>Given that a variety of professionals and organizations appear to be contradicting one another, have there been any public comments regarding these contradictions among the parties involved? I would expect a certain level of professional animosity to have arisen by now as people defend their career positions. Are you aware of any such incidents?<
Curiously: no.
Which leads one to the OTHER (conspiratorial) conclusion ... that all these stories are, in fact, being COORDINATED. To confuse the media.
And no one "in the community" is going to "blow the whistle" -- because THEY'RE ALL IN ON IT!
Which would, of course, move these guys out of the "dumb but honest ... and now desperate" catagory ... into the "smart and VERY devious." :)
It's great to see that someone also believes in the importance of building links
How on Earth would you explain the origins of Tempel 1 to the human race? Granted the majority of the mature big apes on this planet would probably revel in the idea that something of such huge magnatude actually occured in our little piece of the universe, but then you have to contend with those who prefer to tackle new ideas with fear. Our personal universe becomes greater than just stacking shelves, accounting, war and uninventive hollywood blockbusters. Real science-fiction so close to home you could almost smell it.
However, at the moment all NASA could possibly say is that they have a chunk of a planet...but which one? Does the originating planet still exist, could it be a piece of Mars or Earth? What of the other comets and space debris, are they made up of the same planet?
And the biggest thing to tell us tiny, yet imaginative and inventive wee humans - how, if Tempel 1 was a part of a once-upon-a-time planet, did it break off? Did the planet just blow up by itself, or did something external to it blow it up? In this instance what would they tell us, we humans who jump at lack of solid information and begin fearing that the worst case scenario is the correct one? Quite frankly most of what we know is through speculation. Try explaning that little conundrum to the viewers at home watching CNN, CBS, BBC or Desperate Housewives, that all we can do is guesstimate. There will many fearing that our own little world will burst forth beneath our own very feet.
In my own opinion if that's what NASA fears then they have to realise that it's not their job to hold our hands and shelter us from "that which may cause anarchy" because it's time for us to grow up. We don't need to be nannied, to have information stowed away from us on the top shelf because its thought to be in our best interests.
I personally say we have to know sooner or later, and I quite frankly am bored of waiting. Bring it on.
Hello Richard,
I've listened to you for many years on Coast to Coast, and I'm a frequest visitor to Enterprise. Your work (and the work of people like Van Flandren and others) is nothing short of brilliant and inspiring.
My question to you is: Does the evidence that you currently have lead you to believe that the ruins on Mars, the Moon, the more recent discoveries on Iapetus, and the data from Deep Impact are all relics from around a similiar time in the past, and that we are more or less 'rounding out the edges' concerning what happened so long ago? It would be very interesting to me (and I'm sure others) to have a kind of 'History Textbook' with what really went on back then, so that we may learn from their mistakes.
Thank you for your attention.
Crypt0 said...
>Thumbs up !!!
>No theory can ever stand up to an observation and you've given the world superior observations in spite of the best data being with-held !!
>This Deep Impact 'wait until January' story demonstrates how the scientific method is vulnerable to manipulation, spin, dark-archiving and opens up the space that those on the 'inside track' need to operate. Part of the $333M should have included a 'no contempt for the public' clause, or maybe a clause that says, 'institutional privilege', such as the quarantine of data, should ONLY be used in an emergency situation. It should not be used to leverage another mission, or generate hype & media exposure for the NASA priesthood.
>Maybe Linda Moulton Howe should ask her source to comment, or give her a chance to offer equal or better observations. Data with-held ? Or Data non-existent ? Was the mission a success or a failure ?
>I saw Dr. A'Hearn on NASA TV looking pretty satisfied with himself. He was confident and his body language matched his quotes - I think the data does exist ... and belongs to the people who paid for it.<
Maybe someone should ask her .... :)
As I tried to gently suggest, I'm not so sure that Dr. Lisse isn't a very clever "whistleblower." In this game, there are apparently "rules of the cover-up." And, he LEGALLY stayed within those rules ... putting out the "oh, we were looking in the wrong direction" excuse, followed by the "my spacecraft millions of miles away had a MUCH better view" ... followed by "and, gosh darn it, there's LIMESTONE in there ... but NO iron!" ....
In other words, he stayed within some kind of strict legal code ... but told us REAMS "between the lines."
Wait til you see what OUR guys have dug up .. and are still digging for .... :)
So, yes, someone should ask Linda very politely for a follow up .... :)
IonTruO2 said...
>Are you believing that we are due in near time for a repeat kind of experience as that?
>Certainly, you have shown we are way beyond mere "global warming" these days, and have shown the other areas of the local system that are dynamically active and changing as well.
>What's you sense, on the near future activity?<
No, we are NOT going to have another planet blow up in our faces! That is NOT what this cover-up is all about.
It's about hiding our REAL history in the solar system ... which, if the "dirty snowball model" is exposed as a fake ... will inevitably come out (becasue the alternative EPH model comes with an INHABITED solar system ... and a "Great War in Heaven."
So, ultimately, it's ALL about keeping us "down on the farm." Think "Animal Farm." :)
Richard......
Your latest Deep Impact blogging is...VINTAGE HOAGLAND!!!
I think I've read just enough of what you said to get the bare gist of what you're getting at...
SOOO...you're saying that they're fudging the data by claiming the Deep Impact mother ship wasn't pointing the right way, and that the "Big Picture" of the impact is to be seen in a weighted composite between Spitzer IR readings and what little they claim to have gotten from the spacecraft???
Well, THAT'S TOTAL BS...if that's what they're saying!!!
LOOK!!! The mother ship DID image the impact...they admitted/exhibited as much. THAT MEANS they ALSO got the vital spectral data from CLOSE RANGE!!!
WHAT "WRONG WAY" ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?!?!?
JEEZ!!! The Spitzer scope isn't optimized to study objects within the solar system!!! What could be so "gorgeous" about ITS data...EXCEPT that it saves the careers of those scientists who shot their wad on what they predicted Deep Impact was going to reveal!!!
I'm really SHOCKED by what I think you said about Tempel I being relatively "bone dry". Either the comet is a unique interloper...OR...cometary theory is ALL WRONG!!!
NOW WHAT?!?!?
Enki said...
>A'Hearn at Newscientist.com says photos are "hopelessly blurred;" then Dr. Lisse says at earthfiles.com that the spectrometer was pointed in the wrong direction, both statements contradicting what was said on July 4th.
>The really depressing thing about this is how easy it is to blur the truth and misdirect the public with impunity. At what point do we stop being so deferential to these people and start calling them bald-face liars, even if the lies are enforced by some overarching Brookings/NSA policy?
>Over the past two years, I've e-mailed the writers working for many of these online publications like space.com, asking for their personal opinions and encouraging them to be more aggressive and persistent. They always take the time to write back, but their responses always seem to reflect a corporate policy and are maddingly lacking in personal opinion. "Oh, well, we'll just have to wait and see......." It's like asking the local meteorologist about global warming, and instead of getting an informed opinion, one gets a policy statement from their employer that suggests that they aren't allowed to have an opinion. Everyone in the media (present company excepted) seems to have had their wings clipped and that is sad.
>Excuse me, I have some moisture caught behind my lens.......<
That's why we are going to initiate the "mother of all media and legal campaigns" on this ... as soon as we gather a bit more evidence.
And it will be organized HERE. Get ready!
Here's a Kleenex .... :)
I hope everyone can focus on the present subject and not go off onto interesting but irrelevant tangents...like what happened in the MRO blogs.
This is REALLY disturbing material!!!
LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!
What's going on here?!?!?
Why can't they just publish the frigging results?!?!?
Latter_days_aint said...
>Only slightly OT: What's your take on Eisenhower's theory that Phobos is an artificial structure?<
Have NO idea where you got the Eisenhower/Phobos connection. :)
The theory actually came from a Russian astrophysicist in the 1960's: a friend (and co-author) of Carl Sagan -- I.S. Shlovsky (sp?). Shlovsky proposed the idea on the basis that Phobos is spiraling into Mars at an anomalous FAST rate ... and will impact the planet in about ~40 million years! Indicating (to Shlovsky) that Phobos was likely HOLLOW ... i.e. artificial.
The Russian Phobos PROBE, in 1989, confirmed that Phobos (the moon!) is, in fact ONE THIRD HOLLOW ....
Stay tuned. :)
Richard,
So much of what's coming out just doesn't jive. For instance, Lucy McFadden, co-investigator for Deep Impact, was interviewed by the Planetary Society for their radio show and she claims they have lots of spectral data including thermal and emission data, then she says they have to determine where the spectrometer was pointed.
They've accumulated all of this data and they have no idea where their instrument was pointed. I find that a little incredible.
http://planetary.org/audio/pr20050718.html
latter_days_aint said...
>I only skimmed over the Exploded Planet link, but what I did read seems awfully... L.Ron-esque.<
Explain. :)
Oris Bracken said...
>“….Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral result….”.
>First, NASA says camera photographed impactor location. Then NASA says, camera problem … photos blury. Then the mothership, as RHC said, was’ put up for eBay aucton’. Richard points out they are selling unit with defective camera. Then NSAS says, oh, camera is OK, was just pinted in wrong direction,
>Considering all the $$$ spent and all the big-brains involved, how can it be this sloppy--<
Is that a SERIOUS question ...? :)
Aussie Bloke said...
>It's frustrating sitting all the way over here in Australia, I feel like i have no real power to do anything of any benefit for this cause. I can try get everyone I know onto the bandwagon, but no one really cares.... everyone hates America anyway, rather than seeing this as a travesty against all people.. anyone you tell just adds it to the list of reasons why they are glad they live in Australia.
>People are so caught up in the petty problems of their own lives that something like this doesn’t even hit the radar. Combine that with the fact that a huge proportion of the population wouldn't even understand what the word "spectra" or "cometary coma" or even comprehend that you can identify individual elements (some of which they probably have never heard of) from the data obtained means that they change channels, turn the page or just zone out and don’t even take in the information.
>Perhaps I will find the contact information for Australian Papers, so all the Australian Readers can do their own campaign to get this information out.
>I'll get back to you on that one.
>PS. Great post Richard<
Thanks.
Well, if you're feeling frustrated, you can start by sending a copy of the "Captain's Blog" to everyone you know. That's what that little white envelope is for ... at the bottom -- beside the comment link. :)
templemaster333 said...
>Would it be possible for the spectrometers in the Deep Impact, the Spitzer or other instruments to have detected any ISOTOPES ? If so, might it not be possible to estimate the age of the comet based on the various radioactive decay techniques available ? If excessive radioactivity is present, perhaps that would give a clue as to how Planet V met it's end ?<
Excellent idea!! The answer's "yes!"
But, probably ONLY from the "I was looking the wrong way" Deep Impact Fly-By spacecraft (the signal-to-noise-ratio was probably too low for the other "assets" -- located millions of miles away) ....
And, the TYPE of isotopes would tell us a LOT too ... including, if there were residues of "the War." Or, if the event was in fact a BIG, natural "HD explosion" ....
Again: great idea! :)
M said...
We don't need to be nannied, to have information stowed away from us on the top shelf because its thought to be in our best interests.
I personally say we have to know sooner or later, and I quite frankly am bored of waiting. Bring it on.
rhw:
I couldn't agree more and think and hope that RCH's 'Deep Space' source(s) develop a few more friends and realize that the state of the world is in such a sad shape becuase its' reality is built on a base of unintentional untruths or outright lies. However we came to be where we are, humanity finds itself on the cusp of an intersection of desicions of epic proportions and long lasting consequences. It is VITAL that humanity, as a unified WHOLE, make some proper decisions, determine its direction, and dedicate its drive to a future without deceit. This can of course only be done with the brutal truth of our reality. It will require that those who already want the truth to be outed to actually take more action to leak not only clues but data and access to information, techologies, and actual hardware to the general masses. As you say...brint it on.
Great reporting by Richard and his cohesive writing help educate those ready to see beyond the veil of mainstream mush.
Bob...:D
Staying STUNED :D
"...That's why we are going to initiate the "mother of all media and legal campaigns" on this ... as soon as we gather a bit more evidence.
And it will be organized HERE. Get ready!
Here's a Kleenex .... :)
20/8/05 6:11 PM"
PS interesting time Richard 6:11
hi hi hi
You pulling the right strings cap'n
Setting the mainsail, steady as she goes, warming the dylithium Crystal,
Boyz/Girlz been reading all ya posts they allll good, had to larf at some and Latter_days_aint keep up the input :)
and as for the Commercial breaks, well they are just that, at least I know people are checking this 'blog'
And Richard you Made it onto STA
surfingtheapocolypse.com :)
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=93858
"DEEP IMPACT...DEEPER CONFUSION
Posted By: LightEye
Date: Saturday, 20 August 2005, 12:56 p.m.
Here's the latest from Rich Hoagland concerning the preliminary results from Deep Impact.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/08/deep-impact-deeper-confusion.html"
Staying VERY VERY STUNED ;)
J aka 'Brian'
Gort said...
>Great blog on the contradictions.
>In an earlier blog you asked if I had any other evidence about the Tempel Cat other than it looks like a cat.
>Yes and no. No proof. Too bad the $333 million didn't pay for a stereo camera on the impactor so we could have up close and personal 3-D color pictures of the unusual structures. Then we could view them on our ViewMaster, like Tom Corbett, space cadet. :)
In my model, the cat is a free standing sculpture, and is casting a shadow that is dark and falls behind some adjacent structures.
The cat is (probably now "was")standing on either a very white building or a constructed pool of water/ice, such as in a fountain.
My previous estimate of the size was a bit off. I rechecked the given dimensions of the comet nucleus and had used approx 4 miles for the width instead of approx 3.1 miles (5 km).
The cat is seen from slightly above and from from its right side, but about 45 degrees from a front-on view. In other words, a quarter profile. The right front leg is reflected in the white area, but not the hind legs. Possibly the glare (reflection of the sun) is too bright and covers that reflection.
Since the picture is rotated 180* from JPL release, the sunlight is from the left. The cat's tail is brighter to the viewer's left. The shadow falls off to the viewer's right. The cat's left chest area is in shadow.
>BTW the media reports about the comet being the size of Manhattan were exagerated. More like the size of lower manhattan up to about 50th street.
Questions: We have been given length and height of Tempel 1 nucleus. Do we know the depth (thickness)?
>If a piece of planet surface had liquid water, such as a beach, or a lake, or waterfalls, or a stream or streams, or pools or fountains on it, and it were suddenly exploded off-planet into the vacuum and coldness of space, would some of that water stay in place and freeze in place?
Can you tell us more about PAHs?
>Thanks again for the great blog, cap'n.
>More questions later.<
Ah yes, the Tom Corbett "kitty" Trek .... :)
Can you fax a sketch of your "kitty" to Enterprise? Number on the website.
On your question: of course, if a 5-mile-wide piece of continental crust from an earth-like planet was hurled into the sky to escape velocity by an immense force from underneath, it would carry everything with it ... and any water (particular undergound) would ultimately freeze ... along with all sorts of other stuff -- like trees, bacteria, etc., etc. .... :)
People like Richard C. Hoagland, Lloyd Pye, Whitley Strieber, Linda Molton Howe, Art Bell, Tom VanFlandern, and _countless_ others have been chipping away for years at the established science of our Earth, Solar System, etc.
The "hopefuls", such as myself, tag along for every new opportunity ever since Viking (which I consider the turning point): Mars Observer, Clementine, Mars Express, Cassini, Deep Impact, MRO, (sorry I'm missing quite a few), etc. thinking this may be the big chip that puts the big crack in the science wall to let us have a clear look at what previously we were only able to get parts of from "master chippers".
It must have been the same for the "hopefuls" and "master chippers" back when the "earth is flat" or the "earth is the center of universe" theories were considered hard FACT.
We know it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Does anyone know of any books that describe what the "hopefuls" and "master chippers" went through just before the old theories went bust? Maybe we could gauge just how close we are by comparing to what happened in the past. Same game just new players.
I've just got it...
What if SPAMMING is part of the CAPATALISTIC PSY OPS program?
In other words, DISTRACTION!
we would be forced (like annoying TV commercials) to switch channels...
...force ANONYMOUS users off...
...then everyone would register, thus a UNIQUE IP ADDRESS...
...or COOKIE WITH CPU SERIAL NUMBER ATTACHED TO BLOG...
...then watcher/NWO/Eeejit33rd would trace each inidividual (baring setting up a new screen name per entry!) and ultimately interupt OUR FLOW...
PLAUSABLE?
MONEY IS KING IN THIS WORLD
ADVERTISE is SATANS WORLD
The spam is likely to make us deter Anonymous blogging, we could have a background blog discussion area (Richard?)) or just ignore?
Just looking at the 'obvious' contrived interuptions, since ANONYMOUS PEOPLE cannot argue us down...
Any other insights into this?
I'm thinking we are on the right path if we are getting this level of Psy OPS attention hmmmm ;)
Richard has been working on this expulsion of the EEEEJIT elite for some time, so they would dog him where'ever.
Richard, just my interpretation, but you know my vision and pattern for seeing numbers ;)
Keep up the excellent POSITIVE input everyone...
J aka 'Brian'
Richard C. Hoagland said... 20/8/05 5:56 PM
(IonTruO2 said... )
> No, we are NOT going to have another planet blow up in our faces! That is NOT what this cover-up is all about.
> It's about hiding our REAL history in the solar system ... which, if the "dirty snowball model" is exposed as a fake ... will inevitably come out (becasue the alternative EPH model comes with an INHABITED solar system ... and a "Great War in Heaven."
> So, ultimately, it's ALL about keeping us "down on the farm." Think "Animal Farm." :)
_ _ _
. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . nice title for a movie flick . . . Contact style . . .
. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . our real history . . . [where do we come from?] question . . .
. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . the ultimate search for our quest looking for our long lost(?) relatives.
. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . relatives still be around? Same relatives still haunting our backyards?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Moon based? Which other moons? Which comets?
Planet V . . . Moon/Mars sized . . . solar system war . . . attacked . . . explode . . . winner . . . survivors . . . survival . . . Earth/Mars/moons . . . species seed(?) and control(?) solar system's biological evolution . . . Temple 1 discovered . . . Deep Impact . . . results . . . Planet V . . .
Richard . . .
. . . and I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY . . . hate spammers
latter_days_aint said...
>I only skimmed over the Exploded Planet link, but what I did read seems awfully... L.Ron-esque.<
John Travolta's movie, "Battlefield Earth" is written by L. Ron Hubbard. Would the story be within that movie ?
I remember when the humans got all excited in their cages because "a man could read the god's language" and start hooting like they did on Planet of the Apes.
The end result was Hermes' friend, who could fly helicopters, stole the aliens ship and blew up their planet. Some interpret that planet to be Mars (turned to a wasteland) or Planet V. Mars was a way-station.
crypt0 wrote ...
>Maybe Linda Moulton Howe should ask her source to comment, or give her a chance to offer equal or better observations. Data with-held ? Or Data non-existent ? Was the mission a success or a failure ?
to which RCH replied
>Maybe someone should ask her .... :)
As I tried to gently suggest, I'm not so sure that Dr. Lisse isn't a very clever "whistleblower." In this game, there are apparently "rules of the cover-up." And, he LEGALLY stayed within those rules ... putting out the "oh, we were looking in the wrong direction" excuse, followed by the "my spacecraft millions of miles away had a MUCH better view" ... followed by "and, gosh darn it, there's LIMESTONE in there ... but NO iron!" ....
In other words, he stayed within some kind of strict legal code ... but told us REAMS "between the lines."<
Maybe we should all think up a question for the NASA astronomer and write a letter !!
Why are spammers suddenly appearing?
Great work; please keep going. Why would the impactor data be delayed for so long? Maybe they don't want the public to have enough time to act. Maybe their plans will be complete by then.
Richard,
Ok,the careers of several scientists notwithstanding, why the heck would they be so threatened if the "dirty snowball" theory falls apart? The fragment(s)
of an ancient exploded planet should exite them! I guess i am just being kinda dense, but it seems to me a great way to pour billions of dollars into another NASA project that has nothing to do with actual (manned) further space exploration-this seems to be what NASA is epressly focused on of late. With the grounding of the shuttles, and NASA's seemingly ineplicable need to keep space travel stuck squarely in the 60's, NASA should REJOICE that they now have something new and exciting to justify its exsistance.
Just my grossly ignorant opinion.
commercial static occurring, truly a pollution. A toxic obfuscation.
If no the value, it, at the very least, demonstrates The Captain's Blog has been "noticed". See the flow just recently change? My very comment here shows well that earlier Psy-ops reference, means, to hinder and distract from the effective free flow consciousness that is occurring here at this Blog.
Keep them on their toes jasgrave333! Someone out their is irritated at having to "mentally" try to sort all of this and the ego/mind gets thrown and grumpy. Can't catch up, too mechanical. Only for those prepared to stretch a little. Various Tidbits will click for everyone.
This Blog is now too fast and diverse, no one trick pony's here!
So for the rest of us that grok these lofty processes, here is what I just heard in that reply I received from Richard H:
It's about hiding our REAL history in the solar system ... which, if the "dirty snowball model" is exposed as a fake ... will inevitably come out (becasue the alternative EPH model comes with an INHABITED solar system ... and a "Great War in Heaven."
So, ultimately, it's ALL about keeping us "down on the farm." Think "Animal Farm." :)
-->me Read you RH, loud and clear!
Thank you for your comments.
As a child I remember a dream tha t brought an awe to the heart of my direct experience, always remembered.
It was of looking up at the sky in the dark night time, and seeing it, quiet, utterly filled with ships in orbit, and I mean filled as far as one could see, on a moonless night, outlined in the sky.
My wonderment, at the multitudes was profound.
Richard H,
So, there is the science premise occuring for Tempel 1 yet I feel there is still a symbolic gesture here, in the act of the collision.
What is it? Bang a Gong? "Horton Here's a Who" (Dr. Seuss). A tuning fork?
Initiating something?
A Demonstration that we understand something,
about "making waves".
That we can intercept, connect,
project force.
A message of ...."awareness",
A message sent.
OK, of its a game of "we are not alone" fine. I get the fact that 99.9% of the population would go positively INSANE to find out "intelliget design"-by god or aliens or whatever- might be closer to the truth than any scientist is willing to admit EVER-but for Pete's sake-can't they get their frigging story straight? They ARE rocket scientist!!! Sheesh.
I know the television industry pretty well and I can tell you that there are more stories going through news rooms than ever make it out into the wilderness. I would not be surprised at all if some of the big news juggernauts already have their eyes and ears over every scrap of information relating to stories like this. Richard probably knows many folk in the news industry as well who keep an informed eye on whatever he or other sources have to say. The problem isn't informing them, it's getting them to inform. Free speech dies quickly when enough might is involved, and there is a LOT of might involved in this.
Think of the flow on effects. Tempel 1 is discovered to be a part of a blown up planet. Why it blew up is less important as to HOW it blew up. Science has to explain how it happened so that the human race can sleep better at night knowing that they are safe for another day. Explanations are thin...hyperdimentional physics (and quite probably other theories as well) emerge to engage an entire world of knowledge hungry humans. Industry quakes. Power and influence is delicate and expensive to maintain, and the aim of the game here is deception. The thing with deception is that it is expensive to set up and requires a mass amount of organisation and "willing" participants, yet it only takes a population of people with open and informed minds to have it crashing down around their ankles. This is why we don't read these stories in the press or watch them on the television because they know, they just choose not to tell anyone.
NASA has it pretty safe if all this comes to be common knowledge. All they have to say is that with the world in flux with wars and bla bla bla going on they couldn't tell the truth in fear it would only make things worse (but for how many years now?) Also if and when this all this knowledge is finally released all it takes is for NASA to humbly state how sorry they are that they had to hold back this information from the people of Earth for so long, but that they had to understand all the information so that they could properly inform everyone as to how amazing our solar systems past truly is. My, I can almost hear it now...."...In order that no one would be concerned as to what these discoveries mean, we had to gather all our resourses together to foster the way for greater understanding for all of human kind, so that when the day came for the knowledge to be released we would not walk into this new future in a society overshadowed by fear due to misunderstanding. This is a moment in history where the human race, gathered here together on Planet Earth should rejoice in the knowledge that the universe is not only greater than we could possibly imagine, it's greater than we can possibly imagine....By the way, we now ask for billions of more dollars so that we can send more things to Mars."
..."it's greater than we can possibly imagine....By the way, we now ask for billions of more dollars so that we can send more things to Mars."
I rest my case. :)
And to further expand on that most thought provoking and informative post:
Why can't NASA simply say something to the extent of " Hey folks, remember that gold disk we sent up in space...you remeber the one with all the songs and the funny writing on it? Yeah, well someone roughly 100 million light years away found it..and they would like to return it-in person."
Well??? What the hell did everyone expect?
Kalter said... >I hope everyone can focus on the present subject and not go off onto interesting but irrelevant tangents...like what happened in the MRO blogs.
This is REALLY disturbing material!!!
LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!
What's going on here?!?!?
Why can't they just publish the frigging results?!?!? <
kalter, with all due respect,
please know the Captain has acknowledged that his investigations cover a wide range of topics which are all linked. Sometimes 'off topic' can be 'on target'. It is amazing how the corruption encompasses so much of our world and reality.
I do not know how familiar you are with the research. Here are sites Richard recommends for anyone wanting to familiarize themselves:
1. http://www.enterprisemission.com/kennedy1.html
2. http://www.enterprisemission.com/oh_my_god.htm
3. http://www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm
4. http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm
5. http://www.enterprisemission.com/table_of_coincidence.htm
scarletm said...
>for Pete's sake-can't they get their frigging story straight? They ARE rocket scientist!!! Sheesh.
They are intellegent people, and some indeed are even rocket scientists. The friends of mine with PhD's (Permanent Head Damage as they call it) are very quick, very smart (for the most part) and don't suffer fools lightly. One thing is true for all of them, they KNOW their subjects very well. Which is why what you say is so important - They can't get their stories straight.
If one says something was out of alignment, and another says it couldn't have been any better then they're either talking about two different experiements, someone is very mis-informed, or someone is telling porkies. Now add to that a variety of other things that...well, don't add up.
The thing is a few major untruths can be a glaring big flag for others who understand it. Then, if you throw in some small, yet wholesome grains of actual truth then you don't entirely jepadize you're career while at the same time leaking out what's really going on.
yes, and eventually a lot of little leaks equal huge amounts of water.
not to mention a huge water bill...
I can't think of a better analogy for NASA. :)
Before I go off and grab something to eat (I'm at work...AND IT'S A SUNDAY DAMN IT) I just had one more thing to add.
If more data comes out suggesting that comet Tempel 1 was once a part of a larger, planet sized object - could NASA say "Oh my goodness, we believe we found a piece of...
a) Mars (when it had an ocean)
b) Earth
...from millions of years ago as a result of an impact from another space chunk of the regular dirty snowball variety"? Really, they've tried everything else so far. Quite frankly I wouldn't believe it, but it would definately buy them sometime while they congratulate themselves on such a randomly lucky discovery.
Also, what they hell is it with Cats? Why is it that cat-head shaped objects keep popping up? Hell I even found one in the Mars imagery back in 2000. :)
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Yes the "scientists" stories are out of sync. They are not telling all. They are not going to . . . for whatever reasons.
The IMPORTANT question for all of us who are concerned about this is what are we going to do about it as a collective. How do we get the people to come out from their little safe holes and start talking and testifying to the masses. It is totally useless and pointless for each one of us to complain to likeminded people in a blog like this. What is needed is a serious effort to gather the minds and intelligence onto ONE chessboard and start playing the players. But only as a unified collective will (or read: may) the establishment listen to the little people. Not until then.
That ALSO includes you - the tiny little afraid mice working for the media. Where are your collective investigative guts in all this?
Interesting craters on Saturn's moon Rhea.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=1655
Hexagons, as far as you can see, and in various sizes too.
Ok let me get this straight..they've got spectra of something,but it might not be from the comet. hmmm what else could be out there nearby,close enough to get data with the spectrometer,other than tempel 1. it couldnt have been pointing at the sun...they should be able to recognize by now what our sun's spectra looks like. what else is nearby,close enough to get a reading on? is our little endeavour..attacking the temple..being watched by the temple guards?
anonymous said...
>is our little endeavour..attacking the temple..being watched by the temple guards?
Probably. If someone was talking about you in public, you or someone you know would definately be keeping tabs.
The problem with the News business is that you have to be accountable for everything - if you make a report or state something to the likes of "NASA has been withholding important information about the history of the solar system" you have to have ALL of your facts right, not just one or two. And my god, in the world of television news I would not like to be the head reporter, news director OR producer the day a reporter dropped that on my desk for transmittion. To schedule in something like that would be an enormous undertaking.
News is a business, people advertise their wares in the ad breaks, and those spots can carry a heafty price tag. You do not want to be mucking your clients around too much or they'll pull their ads. So they have to be DAMN sure that the stories they air are indeed as correct as possible.
Having said that I am very sure the News gatherers have their eyes and ears on all these events. I'm sure that given the right people, the right team, reporters, the right encouragement, then they'll go for it. Just remember it's a HUGE decision.
Which is why shows like Coast to Coast AM, Linda Moulton Howe's show and the multitude of other programmes are currently the only broadcasted programmes carrying this information.
"Anonymous said...
Ok let me get this straight..they've got spectra of something,but it might not be from the comet. hmmm what else could be out there nearby,close enough to get data with the spectrometer,other than tempel 1. it couldnt have been pointing at the sun...they should be able to recognize by now what our sun's spectra looks like. what else is nearby,close enough to get a reading on? is our little endeavour..attacking the temple..being watched by the temple guards?"
I had to listen to the interview 3 times before I got it. I was amazed that in one breath Ms McFadden would say they had spectral data then a minute or so later say that they had to determine which way the spectrometer was pointed.
I could buy the spectrometer being focused on a certain point but not knowing where that point was is mind boggling.
M said... 21/8/05 12:23 AM
> The problem with the News business is that you have to be accountable for everything - . . . . .
> News is a business . . . . . . .
> Having said that . . . . the right encouragement, then they'll go for it. . . . . . . .
_ _ _
To be accountable for everything is one thing, but that does not relieve a journalist's or reporter's duties of asking questions - good questions - great questions - and not just politically correct and stupid questions. Media is today - as stated by numerous others before me - nothing but a bunch of talking heads looking to fill their pages or channels with more clutter to make another million bucks. Media in general is in the pockets of the corporations and government because of the almighty dollar. However, this again does not or should not stop them from asking questions and maybe more importantly - have QUALIFIED and EDUCATED people asking the correct and investigative questions when corporations and government and scientists of any kind try to indoctrinate the non-thinking masses!
It seems that you are in the media business. Stop me if that is incorrect. If you are - what is "the right encouragement, then they'll go for it" statement? What encouragement is needed for a journalist and an editor to do the job they were supposed to do in the first place? Please enlighten us about your specific thoughts.
crypt0 said...
> I have a suggestion: sites and stories not directly related to Deep Impact, but indirectly related (ritual numbers like 33 and 666 etc) be linked, with a max. of one carriage return, but not copy/pasted (for space & viewing ease). <
crypto, Good idea ! :-)
Why, we could even refer each other to a blog or site where one could go and savor the info at one's leisure, and not consume precious space and time here. I think you are on to something ! This is important especially since now we are seeing more & more spam......
jasgrave333 said.. >I've just got it...What if SPAMMING is part of the CAPATALISTIC PSY OPS program? In other words, DISTRACTION! <
jas, ..... Really ! ... You think so? You could be on to something there! Vigilance !
:-)
uni
gawd o mighty i hope i live to see the end of the
Age of Religeons
i am SO sick of our entire society having as its number one priority to:
NOT OFFEND THOSE G..D.... IDIOTS.
sorry, im better now
M said...
>How on Earth would you explain the origins of Tempel 1 to the human race? Granted the majority of the mature big apes on this planet would probably revel in the idea that something of such huge magnatude actually occured in our little piece of the universe, but then you have to contend with those who prefer to tackle new ideas with fear. Our personal universe becomes greater than just stacking shelves, accounting, war and uninventive hollywood blockbusters. Real science-fiction so close to home you could almost smell it.
>However, at the moment all NASA could possibly say is that they have a chunk of a planet...but which one? Does the originating planet still exist, could it be a piece of Mars or Earth? What of the other comets and space debris, are they made up of the same planet?
>And the biggest thing to tell us tiny, yet imaginative and inventive wee humans - how, if Tempel 1 was a part of a once-upon-a-time planet, did it break off? Did the planet just blow up by itself, or did something external to it blow it up? In this instance what would they tell us, we humans who jump at lack of solid information and begin fearing that the worst case scenario is the correct one? Quite frankly most of what we know is through speculation. Try explaning that little conundrum to the viewers at home watching CNN, CBS, BBC or Desperate Housewives, that all we can do is guesstimate. There will many fearing that our own little world will burst forth beneath our own very feet.
>In my own opinion if that's what NASA fears then they have to realise that it's not their job to hold our hands and shelter us from "that which may cause anarchy" because it's time for us to grow up. We don't need to be nannied, to have information stowed away from us on the top shelf because its thought to be in our best interests.
>I personally say we have to know sooner or later, and I quite frankly am bored of waiting. Bring it on.<
"Science fiction in our own backyard ...."
I like that. Describes it PERFECTLY. Only--
It's NOT "fiction." :)
BetaguyGZT said...
>I've listened to you for many years on Coast to Coast, and I'm a frequest visitor to Enterprise. Your work (and the work of people like Van Flandren and others) is nothing short of brilliant and inspiring.
>My question to you is: Does the evidence that you currently have lead you to believe that the ruins on Mars, the Moon, the more recent discoveries on Iapetus, and the data from Deep Impact are all relics from around a similiar time in the past, and that we are more or less 'rounding out the edges' concerning what happened so long ago? It would be very interesting to me (and I'm sure others) to have a kind of 'History Textbook' with what really went on back then, so that we may learn from their mistakes.<
Actually, no. I strongly suspect there were MANY epochs of civilization "out there" ... across that immensity of time and space.
The human mind just can't imagine how L-O-O-O-O-N-N-G a million years is. Or, 65 million .... :)
I firmly believe we're going to find -- when we can get access to ALL the data -- that the solar system, like the Earth, has been heir to MANY successive waves of civilization ... until we were forced to retreat to this one planet.
Currently, we are under the control of those who desperately need us to believe that "HERE" is ALL there is ....
So, yes, we need a "History of the Solar System." But it is only recently -- after over 20 years of doing this -- that we have figured out enough to even BEGIN to write that history ....
Stay tuned. :)
Kalter said...
>Your latest Deep Impact blogging is...VINTAGE HOAGLAND!!!<
Thanks. :)
>I'm really SHOCKED by what I think you said about Tempel I being relatively "bone dry". Either the comet is a unique interloper...OR...cometary theory is ALL WRONG!!!<
Bingo!!
Now ... what are you going to DO about all the lies you're being fed? Aftr all -- it's YOUR tax money too ....
bubba hyde said...
>So much of what's coming out just doesn't jive. For instance, Lucy McFadden, co-investigator for Deep Impact, was interviewed by the Planetary Society for their radio show and she claims they have lots of spectral data including thermal and emission data, then she says they have to determine where the spectrometer was pointed.
>They've accumulated all of this data and they have no idea where their instrument was pointed. I find that a little incredible.
>http://planetary.org/audio/pr20050718.html<
" ... And -- their apparent willingness to "go along" with even the most absurd of "cover stories" re this Mission -- in hopes perhaps that some might buy them precious time, to truly understand what a few scientists must now be realizing as "the almost inconceivable": hard, scientific evidence of an actual exploded world!
"'Cover stories'" that persist and are still growing, even though these multiple excuses re Deep Impact -- put forth in these last weeks by a variety of individuals -- are now quite blatantly and ridiculously contradicting one another ...."
Can you spell "C-O-V-E-R-U-P?" :)
Kalter said...
>I hope everyone can focus on the present subject and not go off onto interesting but irrelevant tangents...like what happened in the MRO blogs.
>This is REALLY disturbing material!!!
>LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!
>Why can't they just publish the frigging results?!?!?<
Because, to do so would end their ENTIRE "game." They can't ... until we FORCE them to.
I'm so glad you "get it" ... REALLY get it. :)
Again, it's what we're going to DO about it that's equally important now.
Once we get our full case on the table, then we're going to lay out VERY specific plans for how to finally get this continuing deceit to STOP -- by both legal and other means ....
But, it will take the active participation of EVERYONE who's reading this ....
So, stay tuned.
bjorns said...
>It seems that you are in the media business. Stop me if that is incorrect. If you are - what is "the right encouragement, then they'll go for it" statement? What encouragement is needed for a journalist and an editor to do the job they were supposed to do in the first place? Please enlighten us about your specific thoughts.
Media business, yes. News, no. I've only had a VERY small amount of news experience. Yes the news industry really loves a big juicy story, but damn, a story this big and deep you need to have all of the facts RIGHT and you have to be ready to take a lot of heat if anything you say is incorrect.
However, having said that, the main "news" is not the way to go anyway. Sixty minutes like programmes are the ones to go after :) Failing that you have to go all Michael Moore and make a doco (but that takes time, and you can't do it half-arsed because then no one will watch it). The sixty minutes/20:20 approach has its up-to-date charms when compared to the long time it takes to make a documentary...but it comes with its risks; Unless you get a journlalist you trust then you never know which way it will spin.
Trust me, whenever this thing breaks to the general public (by whatever means that may happen) the mainstream news industry will be on it like a shark to blood - that's if they wern't quick enough to bury it :)
Robert said...
>>M said...
>>We don't need to be nannied, to have information stowed away from us on the top shelf because its thought to be in our best interests.
>>I personally say we have to know sooner or later, and I quite frankly am bored of waiting. Bring it on.<<
>I couldn't agree more and think and hope that RCH's 'Deep Space' source(s) develop a few more friends and realize that the state of the world is in such a sad shape becuase its' reality is built on a base of unintentional untruths or outright lies. However we came to be where we are, humanity finds itself on the cusp of an intersection of desicions of epic proportions and long lasting consequences. It is VITAL that humanity, as a unified WHOLE, make some proper decisions, determine its direction, and dedicate its drive to a future without deceit. This can of course only be done with the brutal truth of our reality. It will require that those who already want the truth to be outed to actually take more action to leak not only clues but data and access to information, techologies, and actual hardware to the general masses. As you say...brint it on.
>Great reporting by Richard and his cohesive writing help educate those ready to see beyond the veil of mainstream mush.<
Robert, thanks.
Now, I have a critical task for you: for the coming War, we're going to need an UPDATED media/politico list -- e-mails, faxes, phone numbers.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/help.htm
What you did a couple years ago was fantastic ... but it desperately needs updating! So, please take that assignment.
If you need help -- delegate to other folks, here. :)
Kalter said...
>LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!
How the hell did I miss that one? Oh that's classic!
Jasgrave333 said...
>Staying STUNED :D
>>"...That's why we are going to initiate the "mother of all media and legal campaigns" on this ... as soon as we gather a bit more evidence.
>>And it will be organized HERE. Get ready!
>>Here's a Kleenex .... :)
>PS interesting time Richard 6:11
>hi hi hi
>You pulling the right strings cap'n
>Setting the mainsail, steady as she goes, warming the dylithium Crystal,
>Boyz/Girlz been reading all ya posts they allll good, had to larf at some and Latter_days_aint keep up the input :)
>And as for the Commercial breaks, well they are just that, at least I know people are checking this 'blog'
>And Richard you Made it onto STA
>surfingtheapocolypse.com :)
>http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=93858
>"DEEP IMPACT...DEEPER CONFUSION
>Posted By: LightEye
Date: Saturday, 20 August 2005, 12:56 p.m.
>Here's the latest from Rich Hoagland concerning the preliminary results from Deep Impact.
>http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/08/deep-impact-deeper-confusion.html"
>Staying VERY VERY STUNED ;)
J,
Thanks for the encouragement. :)
As to the commercials: it's OBVIOUS evidence that our message is going out to a WIDE audience; these guys are just trying to hitch a ride to that same audience ... by jumpoing on OUR bandwagon! Congrats folks: you're a success! :)
Remmeber: use the white envelope at the bottom of the "Captain's Blog" to send copies to as many folks as you know .... :)
And, yes, keep those dilithium crystals dry .... :)
Hey Richard, do you get any sleep, or are you a bit of a night owl? It's around 8:30pm here in NZ so it must be pretty early in the am for you.
Anyway, I'm going home now...I'll check the blogs when I get back home though ;)
Happy blogging everyone, I'm out-a-here,
telstar1 said...
>People like Richard C. Hoagland, Lloyd Pye, Whitley Strieber, Linda Molton Howe, Art Bell, Tom VanFlandern, and _countless_ others have been chipping away for years at the established science of our Earth, Solar System, etc.
>The "hopefuls", such as myself, tag along for every new opportunity ever since Viking (which I consider the turning point): Mars Observer, Clementine, Mars Express, Cassini, Deep Impact, MRO, (sorry I'm missing quite a few), etc. thinking this may be the big chip that puts the big crack in the science wall to let us have a clear look at what previously we were only able to get parts of from "master chippers".
>It must have been the same for the "hopefuls" and "master chippers" back when the "earth is flat" or the "earth is the center of universe" theories were considered hard FACT.
>We know it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Does anyone know of any books that describe what the "hopefuls" and "master chippers" went through just before the old theories went bust? Maybe we could gauge just how close we are by comparing to what happened in the past. Same game just new players.<
Fascinating question ....
I have one small nit to pick with your premise: this is NOT the past. We are NOT in the same situation as "Columbus" -- with MOSt of the world illiterate and disconncted.
The world already KNOWS there's life out here ... and a lot of other "stuff." And UFOs filled with curious "somebodies" andering around ....
They've just been waiting for Authorities to Officially acknowledge this Reality!! And, the time for "waiting" is almost over (read any poll on UFOs)....
So ... in an age of the Internet, where we can literally bypass NBC, CBS, CNN, etc., the game is to get a LOT of folks to simply come here ... to read the evidence we've found! :)
And, the "paradigm change" -- when it arrives at the official level -- will come ALL OF A SUDDEN, with NO WARNING ... because of the reach and penetration of the Internet.
So, stay tuned. It could happen ANYTIME ... the "signs" you're looking for are all around us ... just look up. :)
think i was off the wall?
read this:
The film version of The Da Vinci Code is attempting to reduce the offence that the best-selling book caused to Roman Catholics.
Sony Pictures, the studio behind the film starring Tom Hanks and Sir Ian McKellen, is reported to have been so concerned that it has consulted Catholic and other Christian specialists on how it might alter the plot of the novel to avoid offending the devout.
Film officials have held talks with Catholic groups and other organisations despite Dan Brown, the author, insisting that “it’s only a novel and therefore a work of fiction”, The New York Times reported yesterday.
...
http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=News&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=22&obj_id=3741
placating THESE idiots is the PROBLEM Richard is talking about when he talks about 'those presently in control...;
snipped from the article
...
So, if they take out religion, the Magdalene, the sacred feminine, Opus Dei, the sex ritual, the Priory of Sion... then, I guess they'll be left with a great car chase movie
...
well, to be a good american movie we can keep the sex ritual and add a few shooting scenes.
RCH SAID...
>"Science fiction in our own backyard ...."
I like that. Describes it PERFECTLY. Only--
It's NOT "fiction." :) <
No sh!!t! So damn true! When I hear myself tell the tell, it really sounds like science fiction (if only it were fiction):
Ancient ruins across solar system.
Wacko obsessive compulsive Cult running the space program and way too much else.
Mass mind control.
Science made a joke.
TRUTH of humanity's identity and history withheld.
Secret advanced space craft.
Disinfo games within disinfo games.
Black ops galore.
President, scientists, govt officials, other good people murdered for doing the right thing.
Manufactured diseases.
Cures withheld.
Spirit numbing drugs dispensed to populace like candy.
Subliminal (and blatant) programming via media outlets.
Dumbing down.
Bad food.
Junk movies on satellite tv.
Spam.
Paris Hilton.
Endless war.
Otherwise, its a nice place.
Beam them outta here please.
OK, I'm done.
(not sure who I was channelling just then...it's kinda late)
:-)
uni
bjorns said...
>>Richard C. Hoagland said... 20/8/05 5:56 PM
(IonTruO2 said... )
>> No, we are NOT going to have another planet blow up in our faces! That is NOT what this cover-up is all about.
>> It's about hiding our REAL history in the solar system ... which, if the "dirty snowball model" is exposed as a fake ... will inevitably come out (becasue the alternative EPH model comes with an INHABITED solar system ... and a "Great War in Heaven."
>> So, ultimately, it's ALL about keeping us "down on the farm." Think "Animal Farm." :)
_ _ _
>. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . nice title for a movie flick . . . Contact style . . .
>. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . our real history . . . [where do we come from?] question . . .
>. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . the ultimate search for our quest looking for our long lost(?) relatives.
>. . . the Great War in Heaven . . . relatives still be around? Same relatives still haunting our backyards?
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Moon based? Which other moons? Which comets?
>Planet V . . . Moon/Mars sized . . . solar system war . . . attacked . . . explode . . . winner . . . survivors . . . survival . . . Earth/Mars/moons . . . species seed(?) and control(?) solar system's biological evolution . . . Temple 1 discovered . . . Deep Impact . . . results . . . Planet V . . .<
Nice stream-of-consciousness titling .... :)
Anonymous said...
>Why are spammers suddenly appearing?
>Great work; please keep going. Why would the impactor data be delayed for so long? Maybe they don't want the public to have enough time to act. Maybe their plans will be complete by then.<
I think the sudden appearance of the spammers is a measure of our success!
Perhaps some of our computer experts can help out here, but I would imagine that certain "blogs" are tracked by those folks who make their money off the blatant ads which are inserted in the "comment stream" ....
When you have ~600 plus comments for ONE "Captain's Bog" (!), I guess that "rings an alarm bell" in some "blog advertiser City" ... and the dogs are let loose .... :)
So, look on this as a sign that "we've arrived!" :)
Now, copy the latest "Captain's Blog" (by means of that little white envelope at the bottom of the latest post) -- and send it FAR AND WIDE!! Send it to your friends, to Capitol Hill, to ALL the media outlets Robert carefully put together on the main site.
http://www.enterprisemission.com/help.htm
Let's get this travesty DISCUSSED.
And ... then expect even MORE spammers to show up, as a mark of our success. :)
Greetings Richard (and everyone else),
I am wondering about the 4th installment of the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" (if it's going to be published?) and your take on how that can and/or will play into the whole scheme of things being debated here?
I apologize if you've commented on this somewhere else and if it's off topic but I'd like to know your thoughts on whether or not you think we're running out of time to detail the fact that there is ancient and forgotten heritage to mankind and a possible technology that could "shield" us from potential major changes. If any do in fact happen.
I mean it makes sense to me that if we're "electric...living in an electric universe" (right?) then maybe that’s the change more and more ppl seem to be feeling...the "something big coming".
By-the-way I'd like to add to my first post on your last blog. I'm not sure how I can contribute but I absolutely cannot think inside a box ;) and I too have graphic software at the ready but at the very least I'm another voice and another set of hands on a keyboard and still completely fascinated by all this!
-z
Scarletm said...
>Ok,the careers of several scientists notwithstanding, why the heck would they be so threatened if the "dirty snowball" theory falls apart? The fragment(s)
of an ancient exploded planet should exite them! I guess i am just being kinda dense, but it seems to me a great way to pour billions of dollars into another NASA project that has nothing to do with actual (manned) further space exploration-this seems to be what NASA is epressly focused on of late. With the grounding of the shuttles, and NASA's seemingly ineplicable need to keep space travel stuck squarely in the 60's, NASA should REJOICE that they now have something new and exciting to justify its exsistance.
Just my grossly ignorant opinion.<
What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
You certainly wouldn't want the "fake" program to "discover" anything REALLY exciting, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on the fake program. and, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to.
Just thinking out loud .... :)
IonTruO2 said...
>So, there is the science premise occuring for Tempel 1 yet I feel there is still a symbolic gesture here, in the act of the collision.
What is it? Bang a Gong? "Horton Here's a Who" (Dr. Seuss). A tuning fork?
>Initiating something?
>A Demonstration that we understand something,
about "making waves".
>That we can intercept, connect,
project force.
>A message of ...."awareness",
>A message sent.
You are VERY intuitive .... There is MORE to this than "merely" hiding all the science. Remember: NASA is a PROVEN "ritual organization." :)
Stay tuned.
Richard C. Hoagland said... >Now, copy the latest "Captain's Blog" (by means of that little white envelope at the bottom of the latest post) -- and send it FAR AND WIDE!! <
OK Skipper. Done.
And ... I'm thinking maybe it is a little technical for some, not that it aint workin.
I'm still wanting a one page grabber that will bring in people that, for example, might doze off before grasping the significance of Deep Impact.
Its my old one page grabber refrain. Maybe the sci fi thing...
I'll be workin on it. I think we need lotsa strokes for lotsa folks. 31 flavors and all that.
Oh, sorry, 33 flavors. What was I thinking?
uni
Scarletm said...
>OK, of its a game of "we are not alone" fine. I get the fact that 99.9% of the population would go positively INSANE to find out "intelliget design"-by god or aliens or whatever- might be closer to the truth than any scientist is willing to admit EVER-but for Pete's sake-can't they get their frigging story straight? They ARE rocket scientist!!! Sheesh.<
Excellent point. So THINK outside the box ....
Since we're dealing with (by definition) some VERY bright folks, what is the fact that they CAN'T "seem to get their stories straight" REALLY telling us ...?
Maybe, they don't WANT to get their stories straight! Maybe, they're DELIBERATELY telling all sorts of fake sttories ... hoping that someone in the MAJOR media will finally notice ...!!! :)
Remember: there are RULES to this game of "cover-up" (or so our "inside" sources have informed us)
They (the Deep Impact scientists) - - who may be as much prisoners of this corrupt system as we are! -- may be trying to follow the LETTER of the law ... but NOT the spirit.
The rules may read "You MUST lie, when ordered, about the technology and the data acquired." They may NOT read "the lies must be EFFECTIVE ...."
So, they're "skating on the edge" of "following the law" -- the inside "cover-up" law -- they DON'T AGREE WITH!!
Just a thought .... :)
Hello again Mr. Hoagland !
When are you next coming to the UK ?
As I'd love to have some 'face time' with you, no pun intended.
Barney
Richard C. Hoagland said...
>What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
>What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
A bit like Stargate really...no wait, that show has a lot of support from the air force. LOL :) Stop me!
Richard did you imply calcium carbonate or did he actually say calcium carbonate? The quote seems to imply carbonate in a generic sense. My general chemistry knownlegde tells me that carbonates are substances containing an ionized carbonate group, CO3--. This anion can be combined with other cations such as Ca2+ to form calcite. But when combined with say 2 K+ ions one gets potash. There are a 'ton' so to speak of different carbonate minerals including some that contain iron. What would be interesting is the type of carbonates found.
This website here lists many different varieties:
http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/class.htm
Reading about different mineral formations of carboante on that site, I put my crystal engineering hat on (the area in which I pursued my PhD), one comes up with some interesting tidbits about calcium carbonate.
The carbonate ion itself has a bar 3 2/m symmetry, which is trigonal. Now when combined with different cations to form different mineral deposits the symmetry of the crystaline mineral structure is different. Depending on formation processes CaCO3 has different polymorph (differing crystal structures). CaCO3 can be found with a trigonal symmetry (most symmetric of the three) as in calcite, a orthorhombic (2/m 2/m 2/m) symmetry as found in aragonite or hexagonal (6/m 2/m 2/m) symmetry of the rare vaterite. Even though all have the formula CaCO3, the different crystal structures give each different properties and the big kicker is the different insight on the conditions of how each mineral was formed. This is simplifed but hopefully insightful. The problem this brings up is that spectral data of the kind used in the Deep Impact mission is limiting when differentiating between the three. So generalizations about formation would then default to calcite formation since it is the most common here on earth. So assumption would based on that. But when say a different carbonate from the list on the afore mentioned website other processed can be assumed. So the question is what other elements or compounds are present in the data obtained. And as we all know that is the $333 million dollar question.
P.S.
Richard you stated: "Of course, if the nitrogen observed in Tempel 1 by Spitzer -- bound with elements other than ammonia, forming compounds like "hydrogen cyanide" (HCN) or "methyl cyanide" (C2H3N1)...". I like to point out that you made an innocent little error. Ammonia is a compound not and element. I think you meant hydrogen instead there and meaning molecules other than ammonia are present. :@)
Also check out this link on interstellar molecules:
http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/I/ismols.html
M said...
>Scarletm said...
>>for Pete's sake-can't they get their frigging story straight? They ARE rocket scientist!!! Sheesh.<<
>The thing is a few major untruths can be a glaring big flag for others who understand it. Then, if you throw in some small, yet wholesome grains of actual truth then you don't entirely jepadize you're career while at the same time leaking out what's really going on.<
PRECISELY.
Because we're dealing with VERY bright foplks, I think this "confusion" is DELIBERATE (see my previous post on this seminal issue).
Someone's TRYING to "leak the Truth!!" :)
M said...
>Also, what they hell is it with Cats? Why is it that cat-head shaped objects keep popping up? Hell I even found one in the Mars imagery back in 2000. :) <
Because, CATS are VERY important in the REAl history of the solar system ... as you will see .... :)
In the meantime -- go here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/catbox.htm
Hmm. Richard, I remember on a number of occasions you mentioned your friend Arthur C Clark and his unncanny ability to get certain facts about the solar system eerily correct years before they were discovered.
Putting on my imagination helmet - Arthur, an intellegent and expert wordsmith with a very vivid imagination. Gee, if I were someone who was in a "space exploration program" and had discovered a thing or two, I would bend over backwards to have someone like Arthur write some of the things I had seen and learn't into some stories. But that's just too far fetched :)
I hope you are right but dont forget, even brilliant people have their sacred cows.
I dont think you are going to even get CLOSE to the true history of the solar system until just asking the question stops being
'offensive to the church'.
NOBODY wants to be percieved as anti-christian, especially in this particular geo-political environment.
I know this sounds simplistic but most people ARE simplistic. they worry about job, football and beer supply...not necessarily in that order.
Anonymous said...
>Ok let me get this straight..they've got spectra of something,but it might not be from the comet. hmmm what else could be out there nearby,close enough to get data with the spectrometer,other than tempel 1. it couldnt have been pointing at the sun...they should be able to recognize by now what our sun's spectra looks like. what else is nearby,close enough to get a reading on? is our little endeavour..attacking the temple..being watched by the temple guards?<
OK, let me be clearer:
The pointing of the spectrometer, the cameras, the spacecraft, etc., etc. ... was FINE. They admitted that THAT night!!
Ever since, they've been LYING!!!!
Got it now ...? :)
they are either lying or they are so stupid they refuse to believe their own data cuz it dont fit what they spent 57 years training themselves to expect.
i dont know which one pisses me off more...
Richard C. Hoagland said...
>Because, CATS are VERY important in the REAl history of the solar system ... as you will see .... :)
Oooo...you caught me with my imagination hat still on :) If I were a braver man I would take that as meaning that the cat species did not originate on planet earth. So when do felines appear in the historical record? Taking a giant leap, I would say that some form of cat was known to those who built the structures on Mars.
BUT RICHARD, what's to say cat's originated here on EARTH, and were THEN TAKEN to offworld? Perhaps one of our "ancestors" decided to take one home for a pet...stupid idea with the homeworld about to blow up and all. :)
M said...
>Hey Richard, do you get any sleep, or are you a bit of a night owl? It's around 8:30pm here in NZ so it must be pretty early in the am for you.<
Taking one last turn around the "ship." :)
MAINSTREAM MEDIA
The bloggers are are the gate, sire.
Oh really...Have them go away at ONCE!
unipax said...
>RCH SAID...
>>"Science fiction in our own backyard ...."
>>I like that. Describes it PERFECTLY. Only--
It's NOT "fiction." :) <<
>No sh!!t! So damn true! When I hear myself tell the tell, it really sounds like science fiction (if only it were fiction):
Ancient ruins across solar system.
Wacko obsessive compulsive Cult running the space program and way too much else.
Mass mind control.
Science made a joke.
TRUTH of humanity's identity and history withheld.
Secret advanced space craft.
Disinfo games within disinfo games.
Black ops galore.
President, scientists, govt officials, other good people murdered for doing the right thing.
Manufactured diseases.
Cures withheld.
Spirit numbing drugs dispensed to populace like candy.
Subliminal (and blatant) programming via media outlets.
Dumbing down.
Bad food.
Junk movies on satellite tv.
Spam.
Paris Hilton.
Endless war.
Otherwise, its a nice place.
>Beam them outta here please.
OK, I'm done.
>not sure who I was channelling just then...it's kinda late)
:-)<
Paris Hilton!!?? A Psy-Ops program??!!
Oh, say it ain't so, Joe. Say it ain't so .... :)
M said...
>Kalter said...
>>LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!<<
>How the hell did I miss that one? Oh that's classic!<
I thought I SPECIFICALLY explained that in the piece ... in fact ... I DID!
"... To understand the full implications of this description, and why it totally contradicts what Linda's now been told, a) you have to know that all the science instruments aboard the Fly-By spacecraft -- including the critical spectrometer -- were boresighted (aimed) at that same ~50-meter spot Patel described. And, b) that "fifty meters" is about half the width of a football field ... in this case, as seen from across almost twice the width of the United States (from ~5000 miles away)!"
:)
hey richard it's late, it's a sunday night, I'm bound to miss a few GLARINGLY obvious things.
I feel like a dumb ass. LOL
Zebowho said...
>Greetings Richard (and everyone else),
I am wondering about the 4th installment of the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" (if it's going to be published?) and your take on how that can and/or will play into the whole scheme of things being debated here?<
Yes, we need to post Part IV - -which will be about the "changes NASa has observed on earth" that are part of the solar-system-wide Hyperdimensional changes that we've documented ....
>I apologize if you've commented on this somewhere else and if it's off topic but I'd like to know your thoughts on whether or not you think we're running out of time to detail the fact that there is ancient and forgotten heritage to mankind and a possible technology that could "shield" us from potential major changes. If any do in fact happen.<
And, yes, we're running out of time! We NEED these secret HD technologies to be declassified --and used to alleviate these changes -- while we still have time.
>I mean it makes sense to me that if we're "electric...living in an electric universe" (right?) then maybe that’s the change more and more ppl seem to be feeling...the "something big coming".<
Something VERY Big is Coming ....
By-the-way I'd like to add to my first post on your last blog. I'm not sure how I can contribute but I absolutely cannot think inside a box ;) and I too have graphic software at the ready but at the very least I'm another voice and another set of hands on a keyboard and still completely fascinated by all this!
unipax said...
>Richard C. Hoagland said... >Now, copy the latest "Captain's Blog" (by means of that little white envelope at the bottom of the latest post) -- and send it FAR AND WIDE!! <
>OK Skipper. Done.
>And ... I'm thinking maybe it is a little technical for some, not that it aint workin.
>I'm still wanting a one page grabber that will bring in people that, for example, might doze off before grasping the significance of Deep Impact.
>Its my old one page grabber refrain. Maybe the sci fi thing...
I'll be workin on it. I think we need lotsa strokes for lotsa folks. 31 flavors and all that.
Oh, sorry, 33 flavors. What was I thinking?<
Flavor away .... :)
Yah tis late.
OK, not Paris Hilton.
Well, but psy-ops, now there's a thought..... yikes!
:-O
Djbarney said...
>Hello again Mr. Hoagland !
>When are you next coming to the UK ?
>As I'd love to have some 'face time' with you, no pun intended.<
The closest Robin and I will be getting to the UK this year, is a scheduled lecture at the University of Florence in November .... :)
M said...
Richard C. Hoagland said...
>>What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
>>What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
>A bit like Stargate really...no wait, that show has a lot of support from the air force. LOL :) Stop me!<
Keep thinking along those lines .... :)
M said... 21/8/05 3:34 AM
Richard C. Hoagland said...
> > What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
> > What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
_ _ _
> A bit like Stargate really...no wait, that show has a lot of support from the air force. LOL :) Stop me!
_ _ _
'Stargate' has the Airforce's support . . . means nothing of course. Hide the truth in plain sight - w excuses included :)
Anyhow. A fake NASA program? Now that makes a lot of sense. With the Groom Lake activities over the last several decades, it is reasonable that the back engineered technology already has produced a few gems to really explore our backyard.
Somebody said...
(I'm paraphrasing);
"Change the patent laws. Let them have the patents on the craft they already have."
I suppose that might speed things up a little. They could just come outta the closet.
uni
got a question about Iapetus.
if indeed that sucker is what it looks like, whats your theory on origin and purpose?
that aint no interplanetary taxi, we are talking long haul truckin here.
i know its a gigantic subject but quick and dirty off the top of your head?
Richard C. Hoagland said... 21/8/05 4:14 AM
> Something VERY Big is Coming ....
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Planet X in four years?
Dr. John said...
>Richard did you imply calcium carbonate or did he actually say calcium carbonate? The quote seems to imply carbonate in a generic sense. My general chemistry knownlegde tells me that carbonates are substances containing an ionized carbonate group, CO3--. This anion can be combined with other cations such as Ca2+ to form calcite. But when combined with say 2 K+ ions one gets potash. There are a 'ton' so to speak of different carbonate minerals including some that contain iron. What would be interesting is the type of carbonates found.
>This website here lists many different varieties:
http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/class.htm
Reading about different mineral formations of carboante on that site, I put my crystal engineering hat on (the area in which I pursued my PhD), one comes up with some interesting tidbits about calcium carbonate.
The carbonate ion itself has a bar 3 2/m symmetry, which is trigonal. Now when combined with different cations to form different mineral deposits the symmetry of the crystaline mineral structure is different. Depending on formation processes CaCO3 has different polymorph (differing crystal structures). CaCO3 can be found with a trigonal symmetry (most symmetric of the three) as in calcite, a orthorhombic (2/m 2/m 2/m) symmetry as found in aragonite or hexagonal (6/m 2/m 2/m) symmetry of the rare vaterite. Even though all have the formula CaCO3, the different crystal structures give each different properties and the big kicker is the different insight on the conditions of how each mineral was formed. This is simplifed but hopefully insightful. The problem this brings up is that spectral data of the kind used in the Deep Impact mission is limiting when differentiating between the three. So generalizations about formation would then default to calcite formation since it is the most common here on earth. So assumption would based on that. But when say a different carbonate from the list on the afore mentioned website other processed can be assumed. So the question is what other elements or compounds are present in the data obtained. And as we all know that is the $333 million dollar question.
>P.S.
Richard you stated: "Of course, if the nitrogen observed in Tempel 1 by Spitzer -- bound with elements other than ammonia, forming compounds like "hydrogen cyanide" (HCN) or "methyl cyanide" (C2H3N1)...". I like to point out that you made an innocent little error. Ammonia is a compound not and element. I think you meant hydrogen instead there and meaning molecules other than ammonia are present. :@)<
Thanks for pointing out the slip. I'll correct it. :)
But, you need to read the actual interview with Lisse by Howe. He STRONGLY implies "CALCIUM carbonate" .... :)
I think it was more "between the lines" stuff he's trying to get out .... But, please, recheck MY reading.
Just had a disturbing, yet awfully facinating idea (I'm trying to go to sleep, but I keep refreshing this damn page).
Arthur Clark gets these ideas about things which at the time were not "known" about. Then you have George Lucas and his Death Star, which looks a lot like Iapetus.
I suggested before that someone just told Arthur some stuff which he then wrote about. But I remember something from a few years back.
A person I worked with briefly told me about an experiment he performed, somewhat by chance. He had a simple transmitter he designed which generated waves around the same frequencies as "brain waves." The story goes that the couple through the wall from him often argued, and the particular night of the experiment was no different. As the argument raged on he altered the dial on his transmitter from one frequency (associated with hightened brain waves..can't remember what that's called) through to frequencies associated with calm states. Whilst doing this the couple slowly ceased their arguement until it ended around the same time his transmitter reached "calm." He never used it again for ethical reasons in case it actually did work.
What I'm trying to say is that what if these people were "NOT" told about these ideas, but the images just given to them?
hmm.
kholmar said...
>Got a question about Iapetus.
>Iif indeed that sucker is what it looks like, whats your theory on origin and purpose?
>That aint no interplanetary taxi, we are talking long haul truckin here.
>I know its a gigantic subject but quick and dirty off the top of your head?<
Read. :)
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm
bjorns said...
>Richard C. Hoagland said... 21/8/05 4:14 AM
>> Something VERY Big is Coming ....<<
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>Planet X in four years?<
No -- too "Newtonian." More disinfo.
Think ... "HD PHYSICS CHANGES" .... :)
M said... 21/8/05 4:41 AM
> Just had a disturbing, yet awfully facinating idea . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>. . . what if these people were "NOT" told about these ideas, but the images just given to them?
_ _ _
Frequency implanted subconcious thoughts/ideas? For what reason . . . give the secrets away? Interesting thought.
Colonel Corso of course did it the old fashioned way by hand feeding the technology to the industry . . .
M said...
>Just had a disturbing, yet awfully facinating idea (I'm trying to go to sleep, but I keep refreshing this damn page).
>Arthur Clark gets these ideas about things which at the time were not "known" about. Then you have George Lucas and his Death Star, which looks a lot like Iapetus.
>I suggested before that someone just told Arthur some stuff which he then wrote about. But I remember something from a few years back.
>A person I worked with briefly told me about an experiment he performed, somewhat by chance. He had a simple transmitter he designed which generated waves around the same frequencies as "brain waves." The story goes that the couple through the wall from him often argued, and the particular night of the experiment was no different. As the argument raged on he altered the dial on his transmitter from one frequency (associated with hightened brain waves..can't remember what that's called) through to frequencies associated with calm states. Whilst doing this the couple slowly ceased their arguement until it ended around the same time his transmitter reached "calm." He never used it again for ethical reasons in case it actually did work.
>What I'm trying to say is that what if these people were "NOT" told about these ideas, but the images just given to them?
>hmm.<
Double H-m-m-m-m-m!
What if someone else (Black-Ops?)has PERFECTED such technology ... with NO "ethical" impediments ...? :)
Do a "Google search" on patents on such "mind altering technlogies." You may be (nastily) surprised ....
Having said that, I've also been told that the universe gifts the same idea to a bunch of people, and maybe one or two of those people run with the idea. This is why you have people inventing things at the same time (like the automobile) and why we go "damn, I had that thought a long time ago. Well perhaps you did buddy, you just didn't act on it quick enough.
What I'm trying to say is that there are more layers to our own little existence here on earth to sort out...but I suppose that's just a push for my own blog...nasty me. Bad advertising :)
Richard C. Hoagland said... 21/8/05 4:55 AM
M said...
>> Just had a disturbing, yet awfully facinating idea (I'm trying to go to sleep, but I keep refreshing this damn page).
>> Arthur Clark gets these ideas about things which at the time were not "known" about. Then you have George Lucas and his Death Star, which looks a lot like Iapetus.
>> I suggested before that someone just told Arthur some stuff which he then wrote about. But I remember something from a few years back.
>> A person I worked with briefly told me about an experiment he performed, somewhat by chance. He had a simple transmitter he designed which generated waves around the same frequencies as "brain waves." The story goes that the couple through the wall from him often argued, and the particular night of the experiment was no different. As the argument raged on he altered the dial on his transmitter from one frequency (associated with hightened brain waves..can't remember what that's called) through to frequencies associated with calm states. Whilst doing this the couple slowly ceased their arguement until it ended around the same time his transmitter reached "calm." He never used it again for ethical reasons in case it actually did work.
>> What I'm trying to say is that what if these people were "NOT" told about these ideas, but the images just given to them?
>> hmm.<
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> Double H-m-m-m-m-m!
> What if someone else (Black-Ops?)has PERFECTED such technology ... with NO "ethical" impediments ...? :)
> Do a "Google search" on patents on such "mind altering technlogies." You may be (nastily) surprised ....
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I Google'd . . . and then I put on the helmet . . . and tightened the chin strap (figuratively speaking of course :)
> What if someone else (Black-Ops?)has PERFECTED such technology ... with NO "ethical" impediments ...? :)
> Do a "Google search" on patents on such "mind altering technlogies." You may be (nastily) surprised ....
It's the 'Circuit of Zuvuya" is'nt it ? The Maya ?
I don't want to get into a disagreement with black ops, but
I'd suggest that even they would be out of their depth on this one :-)
djbarney
G'mornin all :)
Iontru02 said... "-->me Read you RH, loud and clear!
Thank you for your comments.
As a child I remember a dream tha t brought an awe to the heart of my direct experience, always remembered.
It was of looking up at the sky in the dark night time, and seeing it, quiet, utterly filled with ships in orbit, and I mean filled as far as one could see, on a moonless night, outlined in the sky.
My wonderment, at the multitudes was profound.
20/8/05 9:40 PM"
WOW, I had two similar dreams in 2004
In 2004, I had found my new wife Candi who is very spiritual.
it was in this time my First dream was of collosal space ship decending and burning into our atmosphere and clouds
it was so huge woke me up
after this a few weeks later I had a dream that THREE masked individuals were trying to lift me up into space
Two holding me and a third one watching and looking around... and yes, the stories of ANAL probes, well, I felt something metalic and small there, freaking wierd.
Afer calling on the name of Jehovah, the three @#$@'s in my dream let me go and I fell back into myself and woke up in a sweat!
the last dream I've had related to this was again of a HUGE INVASION FLEET, evil aliens, you name it etc, except this time I was fighting against them and in this part I was fighting with all the others that had resisted and although difficult we were prevailing.
I've not had any dream like that since!
Interesting, I've not had the dream since, but I have noted on other blogs, that this dream is NOT UNIQUE!
We may have hidden or latent memories
or
this is now part of our mass conciousness!
M said...
I know the television industry pretty well and I can tell you that there are more stories going through news rooms than ever make it out into the wilderness. I would not be surprised at all if some of the big news juggernauts already have their eyes and ears over every scrap of information relating to stories like this. Richard probably knows many folk in the news industry as well who keep an informed eye on whatever he or other sources have to say. The problem isn't informing them, it's getting them to inform. Free speech dies quickly when enough might is involved, and there is a LOT of might involved in this."
I agree with this, in the UK there was a TV program called, 'Drop the dead donkey'. It was a commedy fictitous program regarding news media and the stories they would accumalate, many of the stories would be held back, TOO contraversial!
Although satire, it reflects a LOT, of the reality we are expected to believe!
kholmar said...
I hope you are right but dont forget, even brilliant people have their sacred cows.
I dont think you are going to even get CLOSE to the true history of the solar system until just asking the question stops being
'offensive to the church'.
NOBODY wants to be percieved as anti-christian, especially in this particular geo-political environment.
I know this sounds simplistic but most people ARE simplistic. they worry about job, football and beer supply...not necessarily in that order.
21/8/05 3:47 AM"
kholmar, what is a CHRISTIAN?
Did JESUS say, 'YOU MUST ALL BE CHRISTIANS'
or did he say
Love your neigbour, love your wife as your own body
and love THE GOD more than anything else
What else is needed if you are doing the above?
jasgrave333.blogspot.com
I was a CHRISTIAN, but now I simply claim to be a servant of JEHOVAH.
again, a REAL theologan should THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX
but maybe find themselves in the CAT BOX ;)
Uni, loved that list, yep, put my $333 on those thoughts too
"...Bad food.
Junk movies on satellite tv.
Spam.
Paris Hilton.
Endless war.
Otherwise, its a nice place.
>Beam them outta here please.
OK, I'm done..."
"By-the-way I'd like to add to my first post on your last blog. I'm not sure how I can contribute but I absolutely cannot think inside a box ;) and I too have graphic software at the ready but at the very least I'm another voice and another set of hands on a keyboard and still completely fascinated by all this!
21/8/05 4:14 AM"
Ditto Zebowho and more... :)
M, fascinating!
"...He never used it again for ethical reasons in case it actually did work.
What I'm trying to say is that what if these people were "NOT" told about these ideas, but the images just given to them?
hmm.
21/8/05 4:41 AM"
The theory of Armageddon on December 25th 2005
occured to me the same way...
I was simply sitting on the beach, I suddenly just KNEW that the 5th book of the bible 5th chapter 5th verse and 5th word WOULD BE JEHOVAH...
Of course I understand that we are complex creatures, we use maybe only 20% of our brain, what's in the 60%, memories? Tools? Psychic ability...
All my input is based on the ability to channel from a GOOD source.
Good source anyone?
My sons would know my voice and answer my call
even in DANIEL 4:31
31 While the word was yet in the king’s mouth, there was a voice that fell from the heavens: “To you it is being said, O Neb·u·chad·nez´zar the king, ‘The kingdom itself has gone away from you,
Daniel 4:32
32 and from mankind they are driving even you away, and with the beasts of the field your dwelling will be. Vegetation they will give even to you to eat just like bulls, and seven times themselves will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.’”
summary of that, The mind is open to influence, we know that, but if we have a good concience and good standing before a Supreme HD then our mind can be influenced in a GOOD way ;)
Bjorn, LOL
"... Google'd . . . and then I put on the helmet . . . and tightened the chin strap (figuratively speaking of course :)
21/8/05 5:19 AM"
Yep, living in the Islands (having left the big Cities, including LONDON). I feel a massive lifting change...
St Kitt's (St Christopher) is a great secluded island, not saying that we can't smile up as the Satellites take our picture, but we don't EVEN have TRAFFIC lights here, so it'll be a while, before the Deep Psy ops boyz, have an established LEGAL brain washing device... ;)
And excellent insight and blogging from all
I have a feeling that a LOT of people are watching this blog, the Dylithium is getting very warm :)
J aka 'Brain'
A little off this one. Just to show that one has to leave the western hemisphere to at the very least get some discussion or 'alternative' views in the mainstream press. This in regard to the North American and European journalists roles investigative opportunities.
I know nothing about this Indian newspaper . . . India Daily news (maybe a tabloid - google can't find specific proven negative reporting about them, but keep the snorkel on in case) . . . but seemingly they have not been issued the types of helmets in contrast to their 'brothers' and 'sisters' in the so-called western world (you know . . . the western issue journalistic type helmet that is pulled down too far and too tight, with the tight chin strap cutting off the blood circulation to the grey thinking and investigating muscle). Keep an open mind . . .
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/4284.asp
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/tech_default.asp
Richard Hoagland wrote:
>What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
>What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
>You certainly wouldn't want the "fake" program to "discover" anything REALLY exciting, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on the fake program. and, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to.
>Just thinking out loud .... :)
What if the entire Enterpise Mission is a fake?
What if it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with a sci-fi conspiracy blend .. while the REAL space program (using real sweat, blood and tears) is running around the entire solar system .. making REAL discoveries, as published so far to the best of our limited abilities?
You certainly wouldn't expect the "fake" investigation to "discover" anything REALLY scientific, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on reality as it is (as opposed to the fake program most are running). And, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to...
Just thinking out loud too ... couldn't resist :)
What if the entire Enterpise Mission is a fake?
What if it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with a sci-fi conspiracy blend .. while the REAL space program (using real sweat, blood and tears) is running around the entire solar system .. making REAL discoveries, as published so far to the best of our limited abilities?
You certainly wouldn't expect the "fake" investigation to "discover" anything REALLY scientific, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on reality as it is (as opposed to the fake program most are running). And, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to...
Just thinking out loud too ... couldn't resist :)
21/8/05 6:34 AM
Interesting thoughts, but I look at it like this...
NO ONE ELSE is CLOSER to THE TRUTH than the Enterprise Mission
Where else would this kind of collaboration happen?
Who or Which GOVERMENT would allow it?
Hell no, we are far too close to discovering the top of the tree and the Eeejit elite Pr!cks who think they can get away with all this...
When I WAS A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS (sad occultic religion) I knew that even if all I believed was wrong, I WAS STILL A BETTER PERSON
Better Morally
Better spiritually
Now I've seen the light UN/WTBTS (Scandal at the top of the JW's jasgrave333.blogspot.com) I know all I did was BENEFICIAL.
doh! hit return to quickly :)
So if something has POSITIVE Benefits, does not HURT ANYONE, enlightens, and MOST IMPORTANTLY
GENERATES LOVE
then it is ON the RIGHT path
i.e. Jesus said, "you will know my disciples if they love amongst themselves..."
So if LOVE is generated in this BLOG we are working WITH GOOD HD as opposed to BAD HATEFUL HD SATAN DEMONS etc etc etc
God is LOVE, and whilst there John
www.watchtower.org/bible/
According to John
1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.
What has come into existence 4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it.
6 There arose a man that was sent forth as a representative of God: his name was John. 7 This [man] came for a witness, in order to bear witness about the light, that people of all sorts might believe through him. 8 He was not that light, but he was meant to bear witness about that light.
J aka '3 of 9'
and to finish of that GREAT scripture at John 1:1-18
9 The true light that gives light to every sort of man was about to come into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.
11 He came to his own home, but his own people did not take him in.
12 However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name;
13 and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.
14 So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.
15 (John bore witness about him, yes, he actually cried out—this was the one who said [it]—saying: “The one coming behind me has advanced in front of me, because he existed before me.”)
16 For we all received from out of his fullness, even undeserved kindness upon undeserved kindness.
17 Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ.
18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.
1+8 = 9
J aka '3 3 3'
Richard said,
"So, yes, we need a 'History of the Solar System.'"
Funny you should mention that. Seems the PIF has been writing that very story - based on a year long sequentially repetitive dream five years ago. However, it is not a book of names, dates, places, results, rises and falls. Rather it is from the perspectives of many different characters across time. Their (our) story. It goes from the extreme distant past, through the present into the near future, and then past the future.
"Because, CATS are VERY important in the REAl history of the solar system"
Again a very interesting comment relating directly to the above story.
Eventually the story reveals the who what and why - but, while including many of the strange aspects throughout known history and those we are seeing above now, the end, if you will, is far different than anything said here or elsewhere.
If this tale were ever published, it would be hugely controversial - the 'da Vinci Code - would be forgotten instantly. And as result, the major media would be forces to look closely and seriously at your work.
M said...
"...meaning that the cat species did not originate on planet earth... when do felines appear in the historical record?... say that some form of cat was known to those who built the structures on Mars.
Close. Sort of. See above. And let's not forget the opposite of cats - dogs.
Anyway, I'd like nothing better than to say more, but magic could happen and some agent/publisher could take an interest. Or someone could steal the whole thing - it happens.
PIF said... 21/8/05 7:14 AM
> Anyway, I'd like nothing better than to say more, but magic could happen and some agent/publisher could take an interest. Or someone could steal the whole thing - it happens.
_ _ _
Well then, don't show you story to anyone until you have a reputable publisher in hand. Go make it happen! :)
Richard,
Got the Eisenhower/Phobos thang from Godlike Productions.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/
(sorry, forgot how to make the above clickable. I'll look it up later - don't know a lick of HTML)
And by L.Ron-esque on the Sheldan Nidle link, I mean new-age-sci-fi-type-spirituality that provokes more than a little bit of skepticism on the part of most reasonable folks ("reasonable" but not necessarily "cynical". There's a difference between skepticism and cynicism, i.e. your good buddy Carl Sagan was, in my opinion, a cynic rather than a skeptic. Knowhutimean?)
In other words, nuttier than a cheese log.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm just as loony as any semi-adjusted individual with an ounce of imagination and grain of faith. Just less so than said log.
And doesn't "Sheldan Nidle" look like a bit of an anagram? Not sure of what yet, but...
It is my opinion that Arthur C. Clarke has Illuminati connections, hence the eerily prescient writing. Why else would he have teamed up with Kubrick for 2001? And if you don't know what I'm talking about, Google "Kubrick Illuminati." Nobody who is unfamiliar with Illuminati lore has any clue what the hell Eyes Wide Shut was about. As a
matter of fact, most people don't have a clue what 2001 was really about either, outside of the fact that most like-minded folk agree that it was the best friggin' sci-fi film anywhere ever. I think David Flynn even has a page on this. The monoliths, David Bowman, the Star Child, even the theme Also Sprach Zarathustra all have Illuminati overtones.
My favorite movie of all time since I was 13 years old, and I never had a clue what the movie was really about. Now that I know, I have to admit I feel a little creepy. No wonder some critics maintain that all of Kubrick's movies were really about galactic sex.
Most of you are probably scratching your heads raw by now. Good for you. Please don't ever allow your brain to rewire itself to where it works (so to speak) the way mine does.
Oh, by the way. I had mentioned way back that I'd follow up on the Pleiades. My interest in said star cluster is this:
1) These mysterious 7 stars figure prominently in mythology, astrology, religion, you name it. Even "Subaru" means Pleiades in Japanese. Ever notice the 7 stars on the logo? I think they figure into human ancestry somehow, spiritually or otherwise.
2) According to (old) Watchtower theology, Jehovah/Yahweh resides on a star named Alcyone in the Pleiades. This teaching is derived from the Masonic/esoteric concept that Alcyone is the physical/metaphysical center of our universe, or a stargate, or something. The teaching has long since been discarded, but I personally believe that Russell and Rutherford were onto something. I think I remember reading somewhere that, according to astronomical chronology, on one event when Moses heard the voice of God on Mount Zion (or was it Horeb?), the position of the mountain (figured, apparently, from Earth's orbit and rotation at the time of the event) was aligned perpendicularly with the star. Or something along those lines. (Please forgive my vagueness. I still haven't gotten the whole celestial/terrestrial coordinate mapping science down yet). Far out perhaps, but infinitely more fascinating than anything the WT has offered in the past decade.
3)I believe that Alcyone's celestial coordinates somehow correspond to a terrestrial latitude and longitude, possibly Mount Zion or Mount Horeb. It's been suggested that the 3 pyramids at Giza (besides forming a segment of a Fibonacci spiral) correspond to the stars in Orion's belt. Aren't the Pleiades NE of Orion? I need to do some more research on this (I'm not a mathematician or an astronomer by a long shot, just an artist with strong intuitions and an affinity for spirituality and cryptography) before coming to any conclusions. Alcyone... pronounced al-SION-ee? As in the Priory of? (Sion/Zion... do your own research, come to your own conclusions).
Anyway, forgive my rambling. When I have some spare time (a risky proposition considering I have 3 kids under 4 years of age), I'll put all this Meaningless Crap in a "Blog" of some kind.
I've always thought of my life as something of a movie (I've always wanted to be a director). It turns out the movie might, in fact, be shaping up to be a sci-fi epic after all. I just hope it's more like 2001 than the flaming turd that was Battlefield Earth (When I can separate my disdain for all things L.Ron from the film itself, I'll have a look at it again and try to pay attention to the symbology, if any).
Hi Richard, I came to your website earlier this year and was fascinated by the material on Iapetus. I have to admit I was less convinced about the Martian structures (but want to know more about Martian vegetation, water courses and other features that seem blatantly obvious on the recent images).
Your work on Tempel I and the ongoing cover-up is superb. It's revealing even more than the simple fact of NASA obfuscation of the data. One aspect that is especially interesting is the ritualistic overtones to much of NASA's activity. I'm particularly interested in the idea that NASA conceals an organisation with very different aims to the stated ones of American space exploration.
Ever since I found out about Jack Parsons' close involvement with the start of JPL, and his links to both Aleistair Crowley and L Ron Hubbard, I began to think there might be occultic aspects in the US space program. Were these reinforced by the importation of German scientists after WWII? And what about the long intertwining of Freemasonry and the Royal Society in England, and the blurred boundary between Rosicrucians, alchemists and the founders of modern science in the 17th century?
I'm certainly not anti-occult in my thinking, as I recognise the way that various secret societies close ranks to prevent the uninitiated from learning their secrets. But I think the time has come to spill the beans on the narrative that you and others are piecing together from the scraps of real information that leak out.
I'll give you my version, for what it's worth:
i) Human mythology records cataclysms on a cosmic scale, including a war between "gods" who are both human-like personages possessed of great power and impersonal planetary forces, and the destruction of several advanced civilisations in a period we now label "prehistory".
ii) For a long period, these accounts are preserved by priesthoods in the emerging civilisations of the Near East, Far East, South America and elsewhere. These priests are really scientists who carefully observe the heavens and produce accurate records across vast spans of time; they also command a reasonable level of technology. These civilisations eventually collapse due to events at the end of the Bronze Age, or decay and are subsumed into later empires.
iii) The rise of militant monotheistic religions in Europe and the Middle East sweeps away the last formal links with the old civilisations; other climatic changes across the world in the 6th c. AD also initiate their downfall. Only India and China maintain some of their knowledge. Though these monotheists preserve the belief in an Apocalypse or Doomsday, they actively suppress any study of the ancient past or existing state of the world.
iv) Groups of initiates begin to create underground networks to propagate the older knowledge, including a wide range of philosophical positions that emerge as Christian heresies and unorthodox Islamic sects. They link to medieval magical practice and the traditions of architecture and alchemy; and also to groups within the orthodox religious hierarchy, such as the Templars, who have uncovered buried sources of knowledge.
v) As the grip of religious orthodoxy weakens in the 16th and 17th centuries, a number of these initiates' theories gain wider currency. On the outside, these emerge through philosophers like Francis Bacon and scientists like Newton, becoming the mainstream tradition of analytical science. On the inside, they percolate through the Rosicrucians via Freemasonry (possibly inheritors of Templar traditions) through the 19th c. practitioners of ritual magic and thence to Crowley and co. Though the scientific materialistic and occultists affect to disdain each other, and often deny each others' positions, I've often wondered why major figures in science often had a "side interest" in Fortean studies or magic.
vi) In the 20th century, and especially in postwar California, there has been a gradual reuniting of these two strains. Perhaps they made a major attempt to utilise the vast research and technological capabilities of the USA to investigate the ancient mysteries they inherited, though they had to do this undercover for fear of revealing too much to the uninitiated.
Hence NASA is a scientific organisation with a ritualistic secret. Just a thought!
Speaking of cats, didn't Disney make a really crappy movie in the 60s called "The Cat From Outer Space"? If Disney was indeed Masonic/Illuminati as rumor mill has it, that would have a very interesting connection to recent discussions here.
And then there's Alice in Wonderland, another weak Disney film featuring a prominent supernatural feline. It's been said that Alice in Wonderland was just something Uncle Walt, everybody's favorite family-friendly coke-snorting Luciferian genius "had to get out of his system". And we're all the better for it, I'm sure. Of course, the very mention of Alice in Wonderland gives rise to an entirely different can of esoteric worms. But I digress.
Aug05:
Well, one of the Founding Fathers of NASA was heavily into black magic, if I recall correctly. Jack something... Parsons was it? Anyway, I think there's a book about the guy called Sex and Rockets...
a reminder:
Dec. 4,1985, President Reagan spoke in Fallston, Maryland. Yes this is right at the beginning time of Gorbachev's big changes and "Glasnost" (openness).
Reagan said:
"Just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we are all human beings here on this Earth together."
Followed by President Reagan again speaking publicly, this time to the General Assembly of The United Nations on September 21, 1987! :
In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to recognize this common bond.
I occasionally think how quickly our differences would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
-->Hello!! Hello!?!? Any one involved in politics knows how specifically words are chosen to be spoken, and ordinary letters are written with 5+ levels of editing, nothing is frivilous and casual in formal speeches!
As above, so below,
This is not the way it will go!
Now as below, will be so above!
Here are a few excerpts from a speech Avatar Adi Da Samraj made in 1984:
Mark My Words, We are entering into the deep place of human history. I have done my twelve years of Teaching Work. Now I am going to see if you are alive--you four billion!
You are about to see God move in your generation. Remember what I say tonight. In the years to come, remember My Move.
You have waited for the Great Motion of God. You have prayed for It. You have wished for the Divine Intervention. Now it Begins. Watch it from now on.
The trouble in your own heart, your own body, your own feeling, your own resistance to Me, will be magnified.
Turn on the daily news every night and remember that you talked to me about this. I will keep World War III from happening . I came at the beginning of World War II to keep you from getting involved in World War III. You prayed for this.
------jumps ahead to :
I am about to save humankind. Do I sound crazy to you? I am about to make My Move, and the terror will pass. It will be much less terrible than it would have been otherwise.
It is not My terror.
-If I did not come, the Earth would be destroyed-
You prayed for the millenium and the Promised One. I am here. Let it begin. I am about to begin the Great Shout. This world will be evened out, that there will be equanimity worldwide, the whole Earth Sublimed. Mark My Words.
...from "The Promised God-Man is Here" by Carolyn Lee, PhD
--->Just remember this was December 30th, 1983!! It was preceeding New Year, in which 1984 had been proposed as the dreadful year of scientism.
The purifying would take decades, here we are in 2005.
Just food for thought....
Already what has been, can allow for the clarity of hindsight.
> The closest Robin and I will be getting to the UK this year, is a scheduled lecture at the University of Florence in November .... :)
Sounds promising :-) I assume you'll give dates, etc on your homepage ?
If your not then see http://www.angelfire.com/emo/on/ for contact.
Barney
I don't know... "God-man" and "1984" in the same breath...
It all sounds a tad... Orwellian...
The specter of a self-appointed-"God-man"-mandated-COMPULSORY-one-world-religion/government/currency-NWO thing begins to crystallize in my mind again, and it looks more like a nightmare than a dream...
A false, FORCED Utopia... unity without freedom is the antithesis of paradise.
Sounds a lot like the condition we Jehovah's Witnesses are in right now. The Watchtower is beating us over the head with the idea that we're in a "spiritual paradise" when many, if not most of us, are spiritually dying because of their oppression...
But, then, if my instincts regarding prophecy are correct, this counterfeit/artificial "God-man"-made paradise will happen first before the REAL paradise, the TRUE one made by the TRUE GOD happens...
So, I guess I have nothing to worry about, right?
I hope?
...
Science Fiction? I have no problem believing many of the Enterprise Mission suppositions have grounding in reality.
It seems obvious there is something much askew with the Tempel 1 project. It has a Keystone Cops' aura.
What I can not grasp is WHY would anyone HIDE artifacts on Mars info or Tempel 1 data? Too many scientists, system engineers and managers involved in NASA and now ESA, not to mention: if we know it, the Israelis know it … and the Russians know it. The Japanese would know about it. So something would leak.
What is the benefit –and, to whom-- of not revealing planetary data? I can not go for the idea that New World Order or Illuminate are suppressing Mars information on the Banyan Tree Forest because it gives them power to hold such secret knowledge.
Make no mistake, I realize NASA is essentially a military project disguised as civilian science endeavor. I know they keep black-op strategic warfare surveillance details from us.
But, the discovery of off-Earth life or intelligence would catapult NSAS into top priority. Of course its principals want to err on side of caution, and not look foolish. But, ultimately, the space programs of Earth would profit greatly from such intriguing announcements.
The only beneficiaries of such subterfuge are the theological leaders of Jews, Christians and Muslims, leaders supported by followers literally beliving those fine Old Testament Genesis guesses.
Those old-time religions are still getting used to idea Earth not center of universe. They're still wrestling with the theory of evolution. But it won’t take them long to 'reinterpret' their special version of The Book and so maintain control over their life-blood of loyalist flocks.
Sunday morning coming down--
room322.com
latter_days_aint said... "...So, I guess I have nothing to worry about, right?
I hope?
...
21/8/05 10:22 AM
Heard u loud and clear
I WOULD worry
Remember what we were taught about Jerusalem and 66CE and then in 77CE?
Well the Jew's saw the Romans soround Jerusalem, JUST AS JESUS WARNED (MATHEW 24:15,16) and the faithful ones fled to the mountains.
The 'others' got a, well, u know what happened, total GENECIDE.
I'm familiar with the UN's role in AFRICA...
a sad, sad state of affairs, and Kofi Anan is who?
Oil huh? 1991 to 2001 the UN and the WTBTS in the same bed, and only stopped 'fornicating' when caught red handed by the guardian newspaper in 2001 Oct 8th.
just 3.5 weeks after 2001 SEPTEMBER 9/11
it Stinks to heavens and yes there being NO apology on the part of the WTBTS means that a connection could still exist... hmmmm ;)
Mathew 24:15 and 16
You need more convincing OK :)
15 “Therefore, when YOU catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place, (let the reader use discernment,)
16 then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains.
17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house;
18 and let the man in the field not return to the house to pick up his outer garment.
19 Woe to the pregnant women and those suckling a baby in those days!
20 Keep praying that YOUR flight may not occur in wintertime, nor on the sabbath day;
21 for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.
22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
23 “Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.
24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.
25 Look! I have forewarned YOU.
26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it.
27 For just as the lightning comes out of eastern parts and shines over to western parts, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.
32 “Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, YOU know that summer is near.
33 Likewise also YOU, when YOU see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.
34 Truly I say to YOU that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.
36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark;
39 and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned;
41 two women will be grinding at the hand mill: one will be taken along and the other be abandoned.
42 Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU do not know on what day YOUR Lord is coming.
43 “But know one thing, that if the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into.
44 On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’
49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,
50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know,
51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.
Take a coffee Bro, read the above very slowly, taking note of the Verse NUMBER too ;)
it's very important you get out of BABYLON the great, u is affiliated with a BABYLON ORGANISATION
Making the obvious (we all know this already points)
UN has a REPLICA ARK OF THE COVENANT
UN HAS A FREEMASON TEMPLE
UN Replica A of C, has CHARTER TO EARTH INSTALLED
UN Replica A of C, has REMOVED TEN COMMANDMENTS
If you could spell out the above you would see
sixsixsixsixsixsixsixsixsixsixsixsix
UN's 60th Birthday this year too...
By being affiliated with a LYING organisation, the LAST ON EARTH to use GODS NAME OPENLY are badly in need of some HIGHER DIMENSIONAL CORRECTION OVER THE UN SCANDAL...
[EOM]
J aka 'Brian sprinter'
Richard, are you telling us that it really DID rain cats and dogs, a long long time ago?
I always new there was something special about my furry friends.
So where do you think they are from, and what do they know that we don't?
uni
TVF was saying that that comment about it being 50 percent ice was a model dependent estimate,since the mission was not built for 'BULK' readings. The Model being the old nebular one and not TVF's EPH. People at JPL trying to head off the ending of their career ad hoc psuedo discovery missions here. Over and over again. Its a damn shame that (if you believe Tom VanFlandern)JPL still owns the data for too long then releases it to NSDC. There are no rules which force them to release anything anytime soon. Im not sorry that I absolutely seethe with rage at how this agency has managed to basically screw American taxpayers just because THEY want to stay in the robotic missions zone,keep their careers going,and DAMNED be any kind of discovery which would beckon MANNED MISSIONS. I cannot say I am satisfied with anything contracted out to JPL by Nasa. Not one thing. Including this one. GRR8
Let me explain something to people who think that releasing virgin data to the public ,or discovering relics and artifacts on solar system planets moons and asteroid/comets would propel Nasa to do such a thing. One has to understand that all Robotic missions are contracted out to JPL by NASA. Jpl in turn, contracts out more specific details of their robots flopping around out there in the solar system to PI's like Mike Malin,(MSSS) who still has to report to JPL. Understand that people in the Space Robotics business are vested in that way of doing things. Do manned missions of any kind threaten funding for JPL? Yes. JPL is simply in the business of perpetuating careers, and if deception,accusation,and lies are needed to do so, so be it. They have in the past,they are now,and they will do so in the future. Why JPL has so much 'STROKE' in the space business is simply that they have had zero competition. That is changing now. JPL and contractors will be made to look like fools if ESA and several others report findings all the same,yet JPL contradicts those findings. Ahhh, lets see competition force JPL out of Space discovery. Lets see Manned NASA missions. Lets see who can be the first to confirm beyond any reasonable doubt, that we were not the first intelligences inhabiting the neighborhood. I hate JPL and I hate anyone who propagates deception,lies,and accusations towards those who are working to find out what 'THE REAL SOLAR SYSTEM' was all about. Seething with anger. GRR8
unipax says......
>kalter, with all due respect,
please know the Captain has acknowledged that his investigations cover a wide range of topics which are all linked. Sometimes 'off topic' can be 'on target'. It is amazing how the corruption encompasses so much of our world and reality.
I do not know how familiar you are with the research.
OK, I can go with that...but, as I see it, this is all about scientific integrity and what SHOULD be evidence of great minds willing to pursue FACTS no matter where they lead.
I'm well aware of the value of numerological synchronicities, as well as the pitfalls of "clock watching". And, knowing the history of NASA, I think it's altogether sound to suspect that SURVIVALS from WWII have a hidden hand in NASA policies. As Reinhard Heydrich once said..."It's all right to Know...BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW!!!" In other words, people waste a lot of time in empty speculation.
Personally, I would rather concentrate on the science and WHY we're not supposed "To Know". I realize it must seem I've come full circle to agreeing with you...maybe/maybe not......
Richard, latest blog is absolutely fantastic. Bravo sir.
Dr. John said... 'Richard did you imply calcium carbonate or did he actually say calcium carbonate? The quote seems to imply carbonate in a generic sense.'
Richard C. Hoagland said... 'read the actual interview with Lisse by Howe. He STRONGLY implies "CALCIUM carbonate" .... :)'
Here's the specific quote in question:
Dr. Lisse said... 'Carbonate is interesting in that it's like calcium carbonate, limestone, that you find on the Earth.'
BTW great to have your insight here, Dr. John. :)
Richard says......
>Again, it's what we're going to DO about it that's equally important now.
>Once we get our full case on the table, then we're going to lay out VERY specific plans for how to finally get this continuing deceit to STOP -- by both legal and other means ....
>But, it will take the active participation of EVERYONE who's reading this ....
LOOK!!! Only the Congress and The Executive can REALLY trump NASA. The problem with those entities is that only a few individuals within the Establishment know enough about science to make informed decisions, but even they eventually have to support or oppose an act based on "political considerations".
Supposedly the Founding Fathers (esp. Franklin) foresaw this sort of conundrum...ie. where a significant, educated public sector exhibits an intellectual weighting factor greater than the legislative and judicial branches.
Maybe there's some "fine print" in NASA's charter as a PUBLIC AGENCY that would give some teeth to your plans......?!?!?
bjorns said... 'I know nothing about this Indian newspaper . . . India Daily news'
Yeah, that's one I've been keeping an eye on recently too, and I've been meaning to make a post asking if anyone else was familiar with them. They have a fascinating stream of articles in their Sci/Tech section, like here are some recent article titles:
http://www.indiadaily.com/comp.asp:
Particle accelerators collide nuclei of matter to create virtual matter of 5-D Hyperspace forming the foundation of our Universe
Virtual UFOs from advanced Extraterrestrial alien civilizations in the 5-D Hyperspace that contain our Universe
Weather manipulation warfare from outerspace
Defining life based on its existence in the Hyperspace – zero point energy in a quantum vacuum of 5-D spatial
Journey to the Hyperspace – a zero point quantum vacuum of 5-D spatial – we do it all the time
The anatomy of the Hyperspace - 5 Real Spatial Dimensions in Quantum Vacuum
Process by which new universes are formed and eventually destroyed in the hyperspace
Communicating with advanced aliens in the other Universes and Hyperspace
Alien life forms in other Universes and Hyperspace are totally unknown to our civilization
The ultimate propulsion of space modules reverse engineered from very advanced Extraterrestrial UFOs
I remember a series of articles a while back talking matter-of-factly about extensive alien activity in the Himalayas, and how the locals were quite aware of it.
At first glance this might appear to be some 'wild' alternative tabloid, however, a quick perusal of their other sections shows completely mainstream stories, like:
World - Gaza Evacuation Nears Completion
World - 4 U.S. Soldiers Killed in Afghan Bombing
World - Dozens Hurt After China Factory Protest
Bollywood - Pam sings for Bryan Adams
So.. perhaps there is something to their tech section after all?
Now, that being said... I find the actual quality of their article content to be somewhat lacking. They love to make statements like these (taken from the Weather manipulation story mentioned above): "Researchers are planning use the space to manipulate the weather of the earth.", and "Scientists have struggled to understand the best process of guiding the storm or manipulated weather."
OK... WHAT researchers? WHAT scientists? There are never any names or references given, so I read their stuff with equal doses of skepticism and interest.
>>>>
telstar1 said...
>People like Richard C. Hoagland, Lloyd Pye, etc.....
>The "hopefuls", such as myself, tag along for etc.....
>It must have been the same for the "hopefuls" and etc.....
>We know it's going to happen, it's just a matter etc....
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Richard C. Hoagland said...
Fascinating question ....
I have one small nit to pick with your premise: this is NOT the past. We are NOT in the same situation as "Columbus" -- with MOSt of the world illiterate and disconncted.
The world already KNOWS there's life out here ... and a lot of other "stuff." And UFOs filled with curious "somebodies" andering around ....
They've just been waiting for Authorities to Officially acknowledge this Reality!! And, the time for "waiting" is almost over (read any poll on UFOs)....
So ... in an age of the Internet, where we can literally bypass NBC, CBS, CNN, etc., the game is to get a LOT of folks to simply come here ... to read the evidence we've found! :)
And, the "paradigm change" -- when it arrives at the official level -- will come ALL OF A SUDDEN, with NO WARNING ... because of the reach and penetration of the Internet.
So, stay tuned. It could happen ANYTIME ... the "signs" you're looking for are all around us ... just look up. :)
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Please pick away and don't worry about bruised egos! I for one am just thrilled to get a response. It's like the original Enterprise BBS from way way back when. Thank you for taking the time to read all of those posts, it must be exhausting.
You don't need someone like me telling you you're right, so no disrespect meant here but of course you are absolutely right. I keep forgetting that even simple things like reading and writing were restricted in the past to keep the masses down. I take all this for granted these days. Columbus and anyone else that proved religion/science (same thing isn't it?) wrong had to pretty much make a go of it on their own.
Maybe some of those secret records I keep reading about that are supposedly scattered across the earth (and other planets) were written by folks like us hoping to save us from having to go through the pain of figuring out our real history.
I guess the other guys got to them first this go round. Shazbot!
M said...
>Kalter said...
>LOOK!!! If the optical imager had the impact centered...then so did the spectrometer!!!<
To ME...so far...that's the nexus of this Big Lie!!! The frigging robot obediently performed its given task and reported back to Terra!!!
BUT NOW "The Agency" wants to SHOOT THE MESSENGER...that it's ALL the fault of a "dumb robot" acting on...WHAT???..."faulty programming", etc...???
OOPS!!! They can't very well say that, because they had just given
the Deep Impact mothership a clean bill of health and began to babble about future cosmic encounters for the robot...apparently hoping everyone would set their starry eyes on other cosmic prizes than Temple I......
Yes. Let's see that ESA Mars eXpress image collection! All of it. At max resolution. Over 100 gigs of data in their files.
Citizens of both contintents should be able to compare 'apples' to 'apples', with NASA’s and ESA’s photos. This would be a major boon to the study of Martian surface artifacts and anomalies.
And then, there's there's the strange NASA head-fake re: Tempel 1 information--
room322.com
can people concentrate on the main topic instead of spamming the board with nonsense about this and that.
its very annoying to try and find the informative posts which are drowning in your trivia posts.
THNX!
latter_days_aint,
The key of those quotes, from such significant figures, is the substance of what they said. At the coming of 1984, things were looking quite grim and the Orwellian angle was looking quite probable. In that period, as Sitchen described in "Genesis Revisited", suddenly radical changes started occuring, beyond anything expected in the lead up to that time. The suggestion around examples like Reagan's bold public statements was that something was now known and moves were being made in big ways to consolodate our worldy efforts and cooperate, moving beyond the petty human squabling to attend to a much bigger concern and/or realization.
In these times , especially in the West, filled with mediocre religiosity and faux guru's, nests of pedophile priests, and general atheism lost in materialism. A message like Adi Da's would go largely unheard. His true work is nearly done, none the less, his wisdom word is published in abundance in over 50 books, as straight forward as it gets, his teaching submission of 25 years is complete, and here we are now in 2005, as he quietly simply blesses all now, waiting for a .....response.....wink ;)
Perhaps the better hint here is that many traditions of undertanding are showning that this is a significant period in big "time" when conditions have aligned in a grand way for direct receptivity of that which is referred to as the Divine, God or whatever to be "more tangable" and Present in this conditional and limited domain. This place is not Utopia, although it could be helluva lot better! It is a purgative place, a place of purifying, a sacred, beautiful training ground for transcendent process. We were never meant to be stuck here or keep going around and around, stuck in the cycles of samsara, lost in the dream land, self absobed and seperate in ourselves, immobilized, unrealized.
So whatever ones' religious flavour or ferver, the shcism of science and spiritual will heal soon, and profound change is already occurring, yet will get grander in the near future.
So much of this very Blog shows the indicators already known of a revealing disclosure and coming paradigm shift that in many respects will excede our currently small and trivial guesses from a blinded ego-I.
Thus Richard H's encouragment(in.courage.ment)---To Stay Tuned...!
This half light world of duality will bring us all back to the unity of wholeness, prior always to the shcism of this prismatic patterning appearance we have been experiencing up until this "dark late time". This is an eschatological moment of the absolute BEST kind.
Well with these examples, I remember recently reading A reminder from Richard H that he had communicated reference to the feline theme back in 1992!!!!
1992!! Man are we slow!
The Face etc. are even a whole other story!
My point is, the truth is already out here in many repsects, just unnoticed or grasped in depth. The Wisdom speakers and Truth talkers have been speaking for a while, perhaps a quiet subtlty in the midst, of the noise of the Bullshitters, Profit mongers, and Power players.
Soon they will be resolved, for their indulgences amount to nothing in the Real.
Himmlische Jungfrau said...
Richard Hoagland wrote:
>>What if the entire NASA program is a fake ...?
>>What it it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with micky-mouse 60's technology ... while the REAL space program (using 21st century propulsion, ships, etc.) is running around the entire solar system ... making the REAL discoveries?
>>You certainly wouldn't want the "fake" program to "discover" anything REALLY exciting, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on the fake program. and, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to.
>>Just thinking out loud .... :)<<
>What if the entire Enterpise Mission is a fake?
>What if it was/is designed to ONLY occupy our attention, with a sci-fi conspiracy blend .. while the REAL space program (using real sweat, blood and tears) is running around the entire solar system .. making REAL discoveries, as published so far to the best of our limited abilities?
>You certainly wouldn't expect the "fake" investigation to "discover" anything REALLY scientific, would you? Because THAT would suddenly focus TOO MUCH attention on reality as it is (as opposed to the fake program most are running). And, maybe some would actually begin to THINK about what all these lies add up to...
>Just thinking out loud too ... couldn't resist :)<
So, how would you put your "theory" re "Enterprise" to some real scientific tests?
I can mine ... with some fascinating results. :)
Richard,
You hint that something big is going to happen soon concerning the HD realm, that the powers-that-be have mastered (at least to some extent) the use of HD technology, that the use of this technology is going to be necessary to weather the HD event, and the mainstream public is being purposely kept in the dark about all of the above.
I have a question or two.
Is the event going to be disastrous to this planet and the life on it (in its present form)?
Will some life continue?
Will it be only (or mostly) those with the HD technology, who, if so, will then have a "clean" planet to live on?
Haven't I heard this scenario before? (Bible - Ark, Sitchin - Annunaki, etc.)
Does history repeat itself?
Richard:
This post is an excellent piece of work! Thank you!
I will have more to say after I have trudged through your comet..er..your COMMENT section.
Thanks again.
---Dan
With all the usual/relevant tx, permissions etc. to http://www.nexusmagazine.com/
The following is at the bottom of their site and I have a copy posted against my study wall.......
I actually think this is very pertinant to the current wave (sic) of people in NASA!
One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread.
You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
For some of you poor sods who are just not getting this dynamic Blog, and simply complain about the threads that weave here or the colour of Richard's text and background, you need to do some more work and read the background material at www.enterprisemission.com.
This is big B, broad spectrum stuff(oops pun!), look at the Hyper Dimensional Physics content and you will start to see why there is a convergence occuring. Why this blending of the science and the spiritual, the discovery and disclosure, politics and prudence, is obvious!
I am truly impressed by the inter-disciplinary harmony here! The threads weave like a good Persian Rug. I have learned so much beyond my own knowledge areas. Subjects, naturally sort for truth and the crap falls away, very quickly.
Keep at it mates, and let not the confused and spam brained affect this accelerated conscious dynamic here!
Dag said...
>You hint that something big is going to happen soon concerning the HD realm, that the powers-that-be have mastered (at least to some extent) the use of HD technology, that the use of this technology is going to be necessary to weather the HD event, and the mainstream public is being purposely kept in the dark about all of the above.
>I have a question or two.
>Is the event going to be disastrous to this planet and the life on it (in its present form)?
>Will some life continue?
>Will it be only (or mostly) those with the HD technology, who, if so, will then have a "clean" planet to live on?
>Haven't I heard this scenario before? (Bible - Ark, Sitchin - Annunaki, etc.)
>Does history repeat itself?<
I haven't "hinted." I've come right out and said it ... both here at "Enterprise," and in media interviews.
The solar system -- of which the Earth is an integral part (the "system" part of "solar system?") is CURRENBTLY undergoing massive, totally UNEXECTED (by the mainstream scientific comunity) CHANGES.
Read:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004_Interplanetary_Part_1/Interplanetary_1.htm
And:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-22-2004_Bell_Interviews_123/Bell-InterviewPartOne.htm
Unless we FORCE the appropriate HD technology out of the "black world," these changes could DEFINITELY be BAD ....
Okay - so this imaging sat is up there - now how do we hi-jack the signal comming in?
Got to pick a good landing site - dont want to have to walk to far...
Sword
Never mind the 'cat-box' on Mars, or the Iapetus mystery ... it's the proselytizing (under the guise of 'interest in Space') that will make the "loony alert" go off in people's minds and send them heading for the hills.
Proselytizing can make even the sweetest housewife slam the front door.
Fanatical Christians are about as interesting as fanatical Muslims. Please, Bloggers, try, try try with all your might NOT to turn this into a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon or Latter Day Saints Blog.
Dag said...
>Richard,
You hint that something big is going to happen soon concerning the HD realm, that the powers-that-be have mastered (at least to some extent) the use of HD technology, that the use of this technology is going to be necessary to weather the HD event, and the mainstream public is being purposely kept in the dark about all of the above.
>I have a question or two.
>Is the event going to be disastrous to this planet and the life on it (in its present form)?
>Will some life continue?
When Richard came out with the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" series, I remembered reading something similar on "The Millenium Group".
Here's a Russian scientists take on the HD effect on our Solar System.
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html
In a nutshell, baaaaaddd news..............
Crypt0, it's all part of that finely woven PERSIAN RUG...
This ALL LEADS back to the FREEMASONS
UN + FREEMASONS
Ark of Covenant + Jews + UN + Freemasons
= DOOOOOOOM
JW's were just the tip but a VERY BIG TIP Crypt0
UN + Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, is what started my blog...
There is NO Proseletysing (spelling?)
just WARNINGS
Dec 10th 2005 (jasgrave333.blogspot.com)
It's up to EVERYONE to make a CHOICE whether they wanna be in the BIG FIVE'S good books or take their changes on that date...
but I'm voting with mi fingers...
Nope, the only preaching Big J did was to WARN and to remind the basic factor between us all is love.
Nuttin else...
Tempel 1 (Mark 13:1)
www.watchtower.org/bible/
13 As he was going out of the temple one
of his disciples said to him:
“Teacher, see! what sort of stones and what sort of buildings!
2 However, Jesus said to him:
“Do you behold these great buildings?
By no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down.”
J aka 'Stuned'
> ... to read the evidence we've found! :)
You mean like this...
http://home.1asphost.com/jacobsladder/Bad4Good-Cydo-axis%20Layout.jpg
I insert here a post I made on a famous BBS...
---
An organised layout of a City.
It DOES take a while to see it.
Then it all makes sense (well....my
sense)...
The ritual origins of Nasa (Jack Parsons,
Crowley).
They discover I highly geometrisised City
on Mars.
They are also into their Masonary.
They become OBSESSED by the fact that its
ON MARS.
They start releasing crazily geometrisised
visual data releases.
Do they think they are SEEDING the population
with SOMETHING ?
Doing "Gods Work" maybe ?
I like to think they're being really carefull
and 'testing' us to see if we can cope with
a City on Mars.
I'm just naive though ;-P
Barney
---
DJBarney
crypt0:
My apologies if anything I've said on here has been taken as proselytizing. I have attempted to the best of my ability to leave my personal beliefs (which, incidentally, have little to do with the Watchtower at this point) at the door. Believe me, if I was a fanatical JW, I wouldn't have even dared to let slip half of what I've posted here. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be here in the first place. Watchtower teaches that its religion and adherents have The Truth, so there is no need for us to look anywhere else for answers. If you REALLY understood Watchtower/JW mentality (and you never fully could comprehend it unless you've been one) you would know where I'm going with this. Believe me, I'm the LAST one to do any proselytizing here. I'm fed up with proselytizing OUTSIDE of the safe harbor of cyberspace, so there is no reason for me to do it here. I'm here because a) I'm looking for answers just like the rest of us and b) I feel that, because of my unique experiences, I have something of value to offer everyone here, just as I'm sure everone else does. And the fact is, when the JW organization started, we actually WERE interested in Biblical truth from a VERY open, non-mainstream point of view. But everything changed once the organization was basically usurped by a corrupt lawyer. I suspect the same is true of LDS (I'm not an expert on their theology by any means, but I find any non-mainstream Christian POV to be refreshing, as I'm sure many here do). For example, my post about Alcyone/Pleiades. Nuttier than a cheese log, right? Watchtower is ashamed they ever said this. But I don't know... Given CT Russell and Joseph Smith's Masonic leanings, I think their original teachings need to be re-examined in light of recent conspiratorial events, if nothing else then for a warning example to the rest of us. And who knows, they might have actually been onto something! If nothing else, you could consider me sort of an independent researcher acting covertly as a JW. How could I be proselytizing for an organization I no longer trust? If anything, I could end up being a whistleblower on a possible Masonic/Watchtower/LDS/UN plot to overthrow or destroy all existing world religions! Delusions of adequacy, to be sure, but proselytizing? Not by a long shot. I'd say it's closer to exposing incorrect teachings that are taught as Absolute Truth (and Roman Catholicism fits under this umbrella as well, no offense to any devout Catholics here). I'm the LAST person who wants to see ANYONE forced into a belief system of any kind, religious or otherwise. So, long and short of it, if the moderator(s) of this board feels my comments are valueless, I will immediately cease and decist any postings of a religious nature, Masonic/LDS/WT/JW/-Christian, mainstream Christian, fringe Christian, or otherwise. But I think tolerance and respect is the order of the day, no matter what your beliefs may be.
Richard Hoagland:
>Unless we FORCE the appropriate HD technology out of the "black world," these changes could DEFINITELY be BAD ....
But what if that technology is it'self BAD ?...lots of energy....big
weapons...nasty accidents....A-Bomb...Death Star ?
Technology is a double edged sword....a Faustian Bargain....The Lord giveth
and he Taketh away...
Could there be a Natural balance out ?
DJBarney
I'm wondering if we have found part of the remains of the Planet 'Atlantis' ?
It's the spamming that bothers me. Just about everyone is contributing something that's helping me learn. I am just digesting all of the TEM site and the views and thoughts expressed here. Staying tuned and ready for DAG and RCH to get it going.
W
latter_days_aint... bro, if it's related, bring it on...
"I will immediately cease and decist any postings of a religious nature, Masonic/LDS/WT/JW/-Christian, mainstream Christian, fringe Christian, or otherwise. But I think tolerance and respect is the order of the day, no matter what your beliefs may be.
21/8/05 3:55 PM"
Don't be frightened to speak out or SPEAK THE TRUTH
No amount of PRESSURE by any FREEMASON led or ILLUMINATI organisation can stop us TELLING THE TRUTH.
The TRUTH WILL SET US FREE!
And that ancient old book the bible says,
Galations 5:1
5 For such freedom Christ set us free. Therefore stand fast, and do not let yourselves be confined again in a yoke of slavery.
Are we free if we can't bring into court and exhibit 'EVIDENCE' of absolute NEFARIOUS DISGUSTING IMORRAL CONDUCT on the part of THESE SUPPOSED LEADERS
They are accountable before the SUPREME HD 5.
Freedom of speech is becoming FREEDUMB OF SPEECH IN OUR SOCIETY
don't be curtailed, I'm SURE Crypt0 WILL explain why he said what he said?
J aka 'Brian'
Jesus tells us that it's the job of the true teacher to torment and to offend ... and if that's what was going on, I'd enjoy it ! Listing news articles, listing Bible quotes and the carriage returns ... it's just plain disrespectful of our host, dontcha think ?
When RCH links Iapetus with Arthus C CLarke, he writes an article about it and takes the reader along with him ... if RCH wrote
Arthur C Clarke
2001
2010
Iapetus
SIR Arthur C Clarke
..... well, you get the carriage return idea ... but if RCH wrote that way, we would all call it mental masturbation, pay little or no attention ... maybe tell him to lay off the doobie when he's near a keyboard.
If all you can talk about is Radio Shack products all day, does it really matter if your battery of the month card has expired ?
In the Mormon faith, the commoners are forbidden to be Masons, but for the "Elders" who run the Church, it is required. That means following the same tenets as the priests carrying out NASA's ritual abuse of us laity.
The intellectual or theological apartheid is something religion feeds off ... and it starts with brainwashing. Fanatics are not born, they are created by only teaching the Quran until high school, or cluttering up Christian minds with a world view that has been overdosed on the Bible, but restricted anything to give it context. It's paint-by-number with only one colour on your palette.
The posts about the Plaiedes is on topic and fascinating ... it's the pages and pages that get filled with news articles that play free-association between headlines of today and Bible quotes from yesterday.
If you personified the church and asked it for an opinion, it would probably say, "it doesn't matter what you say, as long as you spell my name right"
This Blog is to promote thinking about (what all thought was) our public Space Program and have an exchange with the author ... and sometimes it generates other topics that get discussed. However, if you read or just scan the Blogs that RCH has posted for all of us, you'll notice that there are a few who think this is a forum to draw attention to the Bible and the Watchtower ... it's a black thread of commonality that causes people to react. The same way they react at their front door ... the same way they react at airports.
If this were public, maybe Templemaster might fall on a grenade for the team by taking the bald guy with the pony-tail aside and talk to him ... and PIF might keep the other one busy.
We need to raise awareness of Space, but our prophet (who is turning into a historian before our eyes) is being ritually surrounded by Hare Krishnas - and people already know what they want.
Tolerance and respect is the order of the day ... and it starts with keeping the host, the readers and the topic in mind. I don't think RCH wants to ambush (or BORE) readers with 'headlines-as-prophesy' topics that are too mind-numbing for Sunday School.
crypt0 said...
Jesus tells us that it's the job of the true teacher to torment and to offend ... and if that's what was going on, I'd enjoy it ! Listing news articles, listing Bible quotes and the carriage returns ... it's just plain disrespectful of our host, dontcha think ?
First of all MR CRYTT0
I'm gonna start with the above, dude, you've just started some drama, you can continue or we can continue allllll night?
You are the first to say, that we are making good points, where are you CHANNELING YOUR HOSTILIITY from?
If you knew the TITANIC was sinking would you sit there SMUGLY with your COCKTAIL saying errrm hello you might wanna leave?
Crypt0 Get a grip on THE reality
The SHIP IS GOING DOWN
your asking ME TO BE QUIET ABOUT THAT
what do YOU say crypt0, that's the first part of the message.
CAN YOU PROVE MY THEORY WRONG?
jasgrave333.blogspot.com
IF YOU CAN'T sit quietly keep your arms inside the THREAD, UNTIL THE APOCOLYPSE HAS COME TO A COMPLETE STOP!
J AKA 'ANGRY'
well iontruo2, thanks for patronising guys like me by calling us "poor sods" for wanting to know about the facts of Deep Impact instead of "rebuilding the ark of the covenant" and if "jesus was a jew who fought the jews through christianity".
for this of course you are a much better person than I am, and you know it too.
Is it really that difficult for you guys to stay on topic so some don't have to plow through all this nonsense to read the posts about the main topic?
70% of the posts here are about radical/orthodox religious nutcase stuff.
You will now tell me of course that those things are about Deep Impact....well, I bet they are and my little pink pony can fly too Pluto.
Richard isnt doing anything about it, so adios from this "poor sod".
jimmy said...
well iontruo2, thanks for patronising guys like me by calling us "poor sods" for wanting to know about the facts of Deep Impact instead of "rebuilding the ark of the covenant" and if "jesus was a jew who fought the jews through christianity".
for this of course you are a much better person than I am, and you know it too.
Is it really that difficult for you guys to stay on topic so some don't have to plow through all this nonsense to read the posts about the main topic?
70% of the posts here are about radical/orthodox religious nutcase stuff.
You will now tell me of course that those things are about Deep Impact....well, I bet they are and my little pink pony can fly too Pluto.
Richard isnt doing anything about it, so adios from this "poor sod".
21/8/05 5:10 PM
AND as for you All you do is WINGE about a MAIN TOPIC
DUDE ADD SOME VALUABLE QUESTION INSIGHT, positive input anything but winging about PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH!!!
or are you just another PSY OPS Eeejit planted to stop the FLOW?
Question to you JIMMY what about this theory too?
jasgrave333.blogspot.com
seeing as your bored with OUR input
make some POISITIVE NOISE
J aka 'Brian'
OK…OK…
Let us just suppose, just suppose mind you (and NOT to violate Occam’s Razor), that there WAS a Planet V.
Before I pose my question, and because I like science fiction, I will make some suppositive (NOT to be confused with “suppository”) observations. Keeping Occam’s Razor in mind, we can be scientific and TEST everything here.
Given that there WAS a Planet V; given that an intelligent species evolved there; given that they built structures on Mars; given that they built a hotel/temple/battle-star that we now call Iapetus, I still have difficulty believing that they genetically engineered the human species on Earth.
It just does not make sense that they would have left us in such a primitive state. SURELY they would have colonized Earth and left us with “miracles” of eon-lasting technology archives much greater than the myths, legends, and pyramids that are extant on this planet.
Yet, GIVEN that a Planet V MAY have existed and this, or part of this, may all be true, it remains to be answered:
WHAT caused Planet V’s destruction?
I now postulate that they were a violent and destructive species that could not come to grips with their own rational faculty or their fear of death. GORT, and his associates, blew Planet V to smithereens.
If there ever WAS a Planet V, it should only require a high school algebra student’s knowledge of conic sections, coupled with a lot of orbital data, to prove that this was true. It should be “easy” to locate the time and place of such an event.
Yes, I am basing this on the standard gravitational model. Perhaps electromagnetism should be taken into account.
What do you think, Richard?
---Dan
PS.
I have STILL not yet read your comment section. I just thought I would stick an IRON in the fire first.
---D.
[QUOTE=iontruo2]
For some of you poor sods who are just not getting this dynamic Blog, and simply complain about the threads that weave here or the colour of Richard's text and background, you need to do some more work and read the background material at www.enterprisemission.com.
[/QUOTE]
…And to those who complain about dark bkgrounds, think about it. Your monitor is a light source, not a reflection/absorption of certain colors. You wouldn't stare into a light bulb to read a "book" would you? With design being a side occupation of mine, dark backgrounds are much easier on the eyes…no light reflecting paper here.
[QUOTE=iontruo2]
This is big B, broad spectrum stuff(oops pun!), look at the Hyper Dimensional Physics content and you will start to see why there is a convergence occuring. Why this blending of the science and the spiritual, the discovery and disclosure, politics and prudence, is obvious!
I am truly impressed by the inter-disciplinary harmony here! The threads weave like a good Persian Rug. I have learned so much beyond my own knowledge areas. Subjects, naturally sort for truth and the crap falls away, very quickly.
Keep at it mates, and let not the confused and spam brained affect this accelerated conscious dynamic here!
[/QOUTE]
...Well said!!! Makes for some Excellent “waiting room” reading while we’re waiting for more data. Including the biblical references Jas, (even though I’m not a JW) Convergence…inter-disciplinary harmony…and Persian Rug…There IS something bigger than you or me and we’re all discovering it together. Amazing times!!
Of course the ultimate verdict is up to our host as to the type of posts that should be allowed and the focus of the topic at hand should not be sacrificed but (Please correct me if I’m wrong Richard) I don’t think Richard considers this science completely void of any type of faith based belief either, I remember an interview he did with Barbara Simpson on DreamLand where he left a Major cliff hanger when he suggested “is it possible that maybe Revelation in the bible doesn’t happen last….could it have already happened?” and of course the quintessential Richard C. Hoagland…”stay tuned…” came next. Anyway, its just IMHO but it’s all relevant to some extent.
[QUOTE Richard C. Hoagland]
Richard C. Hoagland said...
Zebowho said...
>Greetings Richard (and everyone else),
I am wondering about the 4th installment of the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" (if it's going to be published?) and your take on how that can and/or will play into the whole scheme of things being debated here?<
Yes, we need to post Part IV - -which will be about the "changes NASa has observed on earth" that are part of the solar-system-wide Hyperdimensional changes that we've documented ....
>I apologize if you've commented on this somewhere else and if it's off topic but I'd like to know your thoughts on whether or not you think we're running out of time to detail the fact that there is ancient and forgotten heritage to mankind and a possible technology that could "shield" us from potential major changes. If any do in fact happen.<
And, yes, we're running out of time! We NEED these secret HD technologies to be declassified --and used to alleviate these changes -- while we still have time.
>I mean it makes sense to me that if we're "electric...living in an electric universe" (right?) then maybe that’s the change more and more ppl seem to be feeling...the "something big coming".<
Something VERY Big is Coming ....
By-the-way I'd like to add to my first post on your last blog. I'm not sure how I can contribute but I absolutely cannot think inside a box ;) and I too have graphic software at the ready but at the very least I'm another voice and another set of hands on a keyboard and still completely fascinated by all this!
21/8/05 4:14 AM
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the reply Richard, really appreciate the time and work.
-z
> djbarney said...
Richard Hoagland:
>Unless we FORCE the appropriate HD technology out of the "black world," these changes could DEFINITELY be BAD ....
But what if that technology is it'self BAD ?...lots of energy....big
weapons...nasty accidents....A-Bomb...Death Star ?
Technology is a double edged sword....a Faustian Bargain....The Lord giveth
and he Taketh away...
Could there be a Natural balance out ?
DJBarney<
I think we got some words of wisdom here.
One true thing is, a lot is kept top secret, far from mass media knowledge.
Another true thing is, I do NOT believe that all the "black projects" research is in the hands of evil brotherhoods just trying to rule the world and nothing else.
Yes, they try to rule the world and to keep secrecy on too many subjects that should be divulgated instead,but ...
... but I suspect that the kind of energies involved in the cutting edge research are such that secrecy is absolutely a MUST.
We are all scared nowadays about the risk of "dirty" nuclear bombs, that terrorists could (in a reasonably easy way) build themselves and activate in the very centre of any big town. Not to speak about the real bombs, from the ex-USSR arsenals.
If this is so scary, and true, what could be a new form of energy, more powerful, and even easily available to anybody, as many tell it could be?
THIS is something we should somehow find out.
As I see on this thread and others here, if I was in the know, I would hesitate to divulgate dangerous information to people that are not focused on the pure scientific aspects, trying instead to reconduct everything to a sort of undemonstrated revelation that is valid and true only by FAITH.
FAITH is good, FAITH is great, but it has nothing to do with scientific knowledge and method. Many scientific theories failed miserably because they were holding just by act of faith.
Anybody read of the "N rays" story?
And, FAITH generated a whole lot of martyrs...either that one was a believer or not. And it is not over yet, is it?
About the very subject of this blog, it is clear that science has become like a plot of an old movie: written like that ages ago, and all what is alien (!!!) to this plot is disregarded (hidden, covered up, you name it)
A new dark age? Didn't we get out of Middle age long ago? Maybe not.
>Crypt0 Get a grip on THE reality
The SHIP IS GOING DOWN
your asking ME TO BE QUIET ABOUT THAT
what do YOU say crypt0, that's the first part of the message.
CAN YOU PROVE MY THEORY WRONG?<
I don't want you to keep quiet ... what set me off, is noticing that your blogging style of bible quotes, news headlines and carriage returns has not changed, no matter how many people ask/complain.
I would probably dedicate more time to my postings, like looking up the harbours that Captain Cook missed deliberately - EVERY major port the British would develop - Sydney, Auckland, Halifax and the most celebrated explorer MISSED every port he was sent to find.
Or, did he ? Exploration is about cultural virility and the data about ports did not show up on the public consumption maps produced from Captain Cook's journeys.
Would have ...
The despair is that I would raise the level of my posts, only to have it buried in a stream of posts that amount to Bible quotes that come off the top of your head, spammed for astronomers who don't know/care. What's worse, is, adding articles you Googled ... it's a huge distraction. Not just the unrelated headline, but often the ENTIRE story.
I'm reluctant to invest the time to type, because I hoped to educate astronomers about exploration history and how lies are told through maps .... but all the astronomers I know would say, "kiss my astrological chart" and ignore/avoid the prophesy-news headline correlations being espoused.
If I'm reluctant, then others will be reluctant, so I think of my friend, RCH and reach the point where I draw a line and say, "c'mon ...show some respect" but then there's the cumulative effect of reading past blogs and knowing you've been asked by others, with no change.
Why no change ? Perhaps this was a question for a few weeks ago, in a previous Blog, but Why is there not even one attempt to form a paragraph or trim-down the Bible quotes ?
Unless it's a tactic. Pretending to be at war with a religion you can't stop talking about ... and keep talking about in the face of repeated requests.
It just strikes me as 'odd' that's all. Has some organized religion decided that the lines of communication here need to be jammed ?
RCH has opened a line of communication between astro-fizzy-cysts and Exploration Historians and theologians ... it's a true American-style ad-hocracy and Thomas Jefferson would have been VERY proud of Richard C Hoagland indeed.
It's a political calculation that will pay off .... but in order for it to work, we need to measure twice, cut once ... and maybe edit a little ?
We should police anything that saps the energy and enthusiasm that RCH wanted to focus/channel.
> crypt0 said...
Unless it's a tactic. Pretending to be at war with a religion you can't stop talking about ... and keep talking about in the face of repeated requests.
It just strikes me as 'odd' that's all. Has some organized religion decided that the lines of communication here need to be jammed ? <
That is maybe too much. Instead, indoctrination and biblical brain-washing is a kind of launch-and-forget weapon.
Accidentally, it is educative to observe as it perfectly works in all monoteistic religions.
"Too much Heavens in their minds" (Judas, Jesus Christ Superstar, somewhere from the glittering Seventies).
:)
The discussion about dark versus light backgrounds (I would have to agree with Zebowho regarding eye strain from a light background monitor) got me to thinking about the Tempel 1 impact. Would it be of any value to play it back in negative image? Might something new be seen? I haven't done it, nor would I know what to look for - I leave that to folks better trained in such things.
The suburban economy is going down the drain and we could be headed into a new Dark Ages, where this information will be used to control the future astronomers starting from scratch. Maybe, instead of the sky falling, the REAL owners of society already know from their ECONOMIC crystal ball that the rug beneath the commoners feet is going to be yanked really hard. The game is to make people in McMansions think they're at the top.
Do comets deliver hydrocarbons to planets ? If so, how much ? Is oil a renewable resource ? Where does oil come from ? Howcome nobody can make the THEORY work in a lab ? What would happen to the world price of oil if/when a James McCanney or RCH or someone were to prove that oil is delivered to Earth by Comets, accumulating by accretion (like water) ?
New World Order ? Who says the Old World Order ever ended ? The last challenge to the World Order was WWII and for those paying attention : our side, the Old World Order, was the winning side. Space Exploration is an extension of American Imperialism and in light of the isolationism before the war, I ask, "who says American Imperialism was ever unilateral ?" Globalization is a myth, not something that is naturally occurring naturally. Globalization, is the dream of Industry and seeks to make international trade seem like a necessity or something that's in the public interest. This keeps the idea of Fortress America in the margins, meanwhile, Super-tankers will be bringing cheap products from unfortunate countries long after we-the-people have been told that home heating oil has "run out".
The Captains of Industry have alot riding on this reality, because they own it and they created it. When you approach Space, remember there are Legal Fictions which preceded all the Social Fictions we have in history. The history of Territory is one template above the History of Polity. The high history of they-the-owners is what is being extended or projected into space, not the low-history of us-the-renters.
A country is like a cell. You can remove the DNA and it will survive, but it just can't replicate itself. With a cell, all the action takes place at the outer membrane and it's control over that outer-limits that draws in the heavy checks and balances imposed by the people who built Western Capitalism, not the local superstitious Freemason who is playing with his 33 degree lucky number. God did not trust the secrets of the Universe to Tavern Masonry and the elites who created Public Masonry didn't trust the secrets of capitalism to them either. The REAL data from the Deep Impact Mission has fallen victim to the Hidden Hand of Capitalism, AND the Hidden Hand of Imperialism.
Staying Tuned :-)
Realllllly CRYTTIC0 "c'mon ...show some respect" but then there's the cumulative effect of reading past blogs and knowing you've been asked by others, with no change.
You STILL DIDNT ANSWER OR DISPROVE THIS THEORY I WATCHED YOUR monologing saw no insight to my blog dude
the wheels are coming off your waggon again GET A GRIP
DISPROVE THIS jasgrave333.blogspot.com
THEN I WILL STOP THREE LINE SPACING DEAL?
J aka 'WAITING'
other side of the pacific said...
"When Richard came out with the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" series, I remembered reading something similar on "The Millenium Group".
Here's a Russian scientists take on the HD effect on our Solar System.
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/NU2.html"
Written 1997 by DR. ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV in 1.0 TRANSFORMATION OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM mentions "the Moon, where a growing natrium atmosphere is detected that reaches 9,000 km in height."
Also 2.0 THE EARTH REORGANIZATION PROCESSES and
2.0 THE EARTH REORGANIZATION PROCESSES
A search for natrium atmosphere turns up much of the same info with lots of images: Time Gate 2004
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/NU2.html
by Ananda M. Bosman.
These 2 sites seem to indicate the big changess Richard is taking about.
down the page she references Richard & HDp
So why perform experiments on a comet if you already know what you are going to find, and the great likely hood that this experiment would create these very issues for them?
Possibilities:
1) The science community wanted to see what a comet was made of and had no idea of it being a piece of planet, so when the data came in they were over the moon and were quite open...but were quickly told to shut the hell up.
2) Scientists suspecting the comet to be something other than what dogma decreed, played along with the "spirit of exploration"...to what end? Did outsider scientists want this experiment and the big wiggs said "yeah why not...let's spend a lot of money, send it up into the wild vacuum of space (and have it stuff up at the last minute...then we can say we tried, but unfortunately failed?). But why not do something simple like "the transmitter failed, we have NO data." We all know they have data, they've said that...very odd.
See, thing is that if human kind have already visited and experimented on these comets, then they personally wouldn't need this experiment - they'd already know. So either this is the Earthbound Human's experiments being shat upon by those very much in the know, or they had a part of orchestrating this whole thing from the beginning. Because really, if they wanted to keep us in the dark they would have altered the data much like they altered the colour of the surface of Mars.
I've got my calculator and I'm doing the algabra but I'm missing some key variables 'cause it don't add up!
Nope, it still don't add up.
It's almost like the scientists have full control and full say and free speech about everything they are doing...until the penultimate moment. Otherwise the whole media thing would have been handled with much more grace, instead of this hodge-podge of a festival they've supplied. Unless there IS the command that NASA scientists have to abide by of "that which thou discover outsidith the current bounds of scientific knowledge and understanding must hearforth be brought to thy rulers before thou spout herrasy upon the masses."
Kalter said... 21/8/05 12:03 PM
unipax says......
>kalter, with all due respect,
please know the Captain has acknowledged that his investigations cover a wide range of topics which are all linked. Sometimes 'off topic' can be 'on target'. It is amazing how the corruption encompasses so much of our world and reality.
I do not know how familiar you are with the research.
OK, I can go with that...but, as I see it, this is all about scientific integrity and what SHOULD be evidence of great minds willing to pursue FACTS no matter where they lead.
I'm well aware of the value of numerological synchronicities, as well as the pitfalls of "clock watching". And, knowing the history of NASA, I think it's altogether sound to suspect that SURVIVALS from WWII have a hidden hand in NASA policies. As Reinhard Heydrich once said..."It's all right to Know...BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW!!!" In other words, people waste a lot of time in empty speculation.
Personally, I would rather concentrate on the science and WHY we're not supposed "To Know". I realize it must seem I've come full circle to agreeing with you...maybe/maybe not......
_ _ _
Most importantly . . . who is to decide who is allowed to 'participate' in these and any discussions. These discussions has to be relatively open so that the various theories can be presented and looked at and chewed upon. One can not disallow entry and thereby cutting off thoughts (or blood supply) that disaggrees with your theories. Because that's what they are - theories. Until proven as fact. Right? :)
The only participants that should be barred from entering are the idiotic spammers. However, they in some ugly way participate spreading the word as well by hype and popularity :)
Richard,
Why can't we have exploding planets and have dirty snowballs too? Are the two mutually exclusive?
You seem awfully convinced now that just because the results after smashing into ONE "comet" that we can totally write off the "dirty snowball model."
As I asked in an earlier blog, does it not seem a bit hasty to rule out one model over another?
Hi Richard and all,
I came upon this site a short time ago and find if fascinating, refreshing and informative. I have a question that is somewhat off topic. We have all heard about planets being discovered around other stars recently. The "data" suggests that these are very large gaseous planets orbiting very close to their stars. This is of course is very odd if you subscribe to traditional models of solar system formation. I have heard this oddity explained as these being large gas planets that formed in the outer solar system that gradually spiral into the star. While searching key words found on this site for more info I found the metaresearch.org site -- I'm sure you all probably know of this site. What caught my attention on this site was the Fission Theory for the Origin of Planets and Moons. Could this provide an explanation of the existence of massive gas planets orbiting close to their stars?
Kalter said... 21/8/05 12:30 PM
Richard says......
>Again, it's what we're going to DO about it that's equally important now.
>Once we get our full case on the table, then we're going to lay out VERY specific plans for how to finally get this continuing deceit to STOP -- by both legal and other means ....
>But, it will take the active participation of EVERYONE who's reading this ....
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LOOK!!! Only the Congress and The Executive can REALLY trump NASA. The problem with those entities is that only a few individuals within the Establishment know enough about science to make informed decisions, but even they eventually have to support or oppose an act based on "political considerations".
Supposedly the Founding Fathers (esp. Franklin) foresaw this sort of conundrum...ie. where a significant, educated public sector exhibits an intellectual weighting factor greater than the legislative and judicial branches.
. . . . . . . . . . . .
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The Congress and the 'Executive' are all elected. So it is our duty to collect our common voices into one singular voice to raise hell and let all the ELECTED representatives, the president and the grey masses of bureaucrats know that we want to be heard and we want changes.
If there are only a very few individuals who has any education or knowledge about this then we need to educate them - don't we? We have to organize as a single group. Politicians only listen to groups - LARGE groups with a specific agenda - who can get them elected/re-elected. Money/Power/Results. So - what are we going to do as a collective, and not as individuals sitting in our separate rooms shouting about injustices and falsehoods? Gather as one group. How? I don't know, but it needs to be looked at seriously.
Pif, Hello
Thanks for those links you just offered, I'll surf in and have a good look!
To those others out there whose only impulse to comment, is verbalage and judgement, raise your own bar if you want to type in with input to the very premise of this Blog. Move beyond the one trick pony and consider deeper the multi contextual thinking that is the means to this many layered story. Original insight is what is needed, not just search results from the net and efforts to simply joust in trivial debate that goes to nothing. Questions and tie-ins to the current focal point are useful like classic business brainstorming. Throw it all up and sort for the significant.
Literacy goes with comprehension. If something someone puts forth doesn't click for you as connecting to the Blog post, reread it!, don't simply react to your moment of "not getting it" with mere negatory complaint. Anyone can turn a word, science speak can easily be spewed without saying much with true meaning, just regurgitated matter. So see the judging judgment and let the flow go. Some people here are now doing some great work tracing image files that aren't so easy to get at from a few earlier tweaks from others, while some find connecting link stories. For some, the image analysis itself and manipulation is their specialty, some interpret NASA's ritualistic motives and agenda. Beyond the ritualistic component of NASA that Richard has very clearly shown is occuring, there are some spiritual "details" that come forth from the different "schools of thought" and have indeed contributed to piercing this shell of concealment and cryptic secret making around NASA and Co.
An earlier post of mine in this set brought this reply from
Richard H:
You are VERY intuitive .... There is MORE to this than "merely" hiding all the science. Remember: NASA is a PROVEN "ritual organization." :)
Stay tuned.
21/8/05 3:22 AM
And no! This is not about me! It shows the generalization that is effective here in breaching limited thought about what is really going on.
For those of you complaining, if you can't grasp the subtleties HERE, and read between the lines, and quickly skim the content that doesn't resonate for you, your not open then to the real sleuthing required around this NASA agenda that is way way more complex than first meets the eye.
I see this like mental gymnastics! I relish the input from the company here that are tuned in to areas I can't say I am strong in. So I reread and copy-paste alot!
I really don't care or indentify with the spammers who just showed up with advertising or the apparent "proselytising" that has been described. No wasting of energy on the entanglement of the strugglers lost in judgments' angst.
So before this joins the "waiting room" reading in a bla bla way, did any one catch my input of the South Pole-Aitken Crater(on the moon)or Uranus tipped over with black rings and moonlets etc. that helps support the mounting evidence of Planet V that exploded or cleaved in a dramatic event?
Yes! thats right, Tempel 1 is really leading to these other bigger picture elements! On Topic.
That is not original thought or insightful ideas, I just correlated the info from existing knowledge already published. The reminder of Reagan's speech in 83-84 is relevent. SDI?
Time for some real free form thought and intuitive insight to go with the common knowledge! I am trying..
Keep up the good work and clarity mates!
midrandsan said...
>With all the usual/relevant tx, permissions etc. to http://www.nexusmagazine.com/
>The following is at the bottom of their site and I have a copy posted against my study wall.......
>I actually think this is very pertinant to the current wave (sic) of people in NASA!
>One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
>"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
>"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread.
You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
>(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)<
It's amazing how many people in the media -- let alone "average" Americans -- have never SEEN this statement, let along realized the truth behind it!
Thanks.
Just a thought..
I was intrigued by some of the work IRAS Infra-Red Astronomical Observatory in orbit has done, notably regarding the search for Planet X or the 10th Planet.
So, here are two links I quickly grabbed
http://www.seds.org/messier/more/m-iras.html
and
http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/Outreach/Edu/iras_discoveries.html
Might go nowhere, but I am curious what might be in their image files.
ie. comet discoveries were there.
Check you all later, night.
unipax said...
>Richard, are you telling us that it really DID rain cats and dogs, a long long time ago?
I always new there was something special about my furry friends.
So where do you think they are from, and what do they know that we don't?<
And, to quote Bill Murray, in "Ghostbusters":
"Next, they'll be LIVING TOGETHER!"
other side of the pacific said...
Dag said...
>>Richard,
You hint that something big is going to happen soon concerning the HD realm, that the powers-that-be have mastered (at least to some extent) the use of HD technology, that the use of this technology is going to be necessary to weather the HD event, and the mainstream public is being purposely kept in the dark about all of the above.
>>I have a question or two.
>>Is the event going to be disastrous to this planet and the life on it (in its present form)?
>>Will some life continue?
>When Richard came out with the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" series, I remembered reading something similar on "The Millenium Group".
>Here's a Russian scientists take on the HD effect on our Solar System.
>http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html
>In a nutshell, baaaaaddd news..............<
ONLY ... if we do NOTHING.
THAT'S why we MUST get our hands on the HD technology in the Black-Ops community ....
To come full circle on a few ideas, the United States has shifted from isolationism to internationalism (some say Imperialism) ... what we're witnessing is an effort to prevent the pendulum from shifting back. The World Trade Organization, the G-7 or G-8 (whatever it's at these days) ... when you have had your way with the money supply, interest and you have the economy you want : what do you do ? You spend money and sign Treaties in order to make the future populist President ham-strung by Treaties, by debt, and any means possible.
Information that breaks new ground in science is proprietary and we are the renters, not the owners. The Bible says, "For tis the glory of God to hide a thing, but the pleasure of a King to seek it out." This is a perfect opportunity to wax poetic and offer Biblical guidance on THAT topic - intellectual apartheid through time, in the Bible and every which way from Sunday. This is the motive that caused the crime scene we're all pondering. We can all smell the dead bodies rotting under the floor boards - it's just a matter of sorting out the mess.
If we do enter a new Dark Ages and NASA is just dismissed as a fetish of our forefathers for a few centuries ... future astronomers probably won't be so "uppity" or ask as many on-target questions if their feet were nailed to superstitious ground .... a foundation NASA is laying. Rest assured, someone somewhere is thinking about contingency plans for the day that the bubble bursts on the oil economy ... it's just not being discussed in the (mainstream) media. Non-consensual public culture (the non-local reality) - is and always has been corporate. Trans-national corporations don't want post-oil contingency plans on the public agenda. It makes governments more pro-active in the economy and when the myth of globalism is shattered, countries will unravel all the interlocking Treaties and become capitalist without the parking brake on ... which is PUBLIC ownership over technology and information.
Government is the shadow cast by coirporations over the people (Dewey)
What we need now is a blogger convention - all of you guys in a single room together... oh boy....
Then the V-8 will come out, a librian will pop out of a main frame - then there will be alot of explaing to do....
Now, how do we hi-jack a signal comming from space? We don't have time to waste on commities and lawyers (yawn).
Sword
Subject: Cosmic Felines
I am a 'Library Priestess' with a personal interest in Ancient Egypt, Gnosticism, and the Hidden Back-Story of Humanity. I *have* read much on this website, and have also been following such sites as Linda Moulton Howe's Earthfiles and the Electric Universe stuff at thunderbolts.info. I have no problem accepting that comets are not 'dirty snowballs', that the entire Solar System is undergoing 'global warming', that our Sun is not a thermonuclear 'furnace' (but is, rather, the massively arcing anode of a gargantuan 'solar-system circuit'), and that Skypeople-- and the Face on Mars-- are real. I am enjoying the heck out of this blog, and will be ready to pepper whomever with letters, etc., to get the data that is mine, by right of my payment of taxes, revealed in its entirety to *anyone* who wishes to examine it. That being said, I now wish to address the 'Cats on Mars' issue: dig in your claws, kitties, here we go...
The Face on Mars is a Feline, and is none other than Sekhmet, Whose Name means 'The Powerful One'. Later Egyptian mythology dealt with Her (as most 'later mythologies' did with Primal Female Godhead archetypes) by lessening Her primacy by marrying Her off to Ptah and making Her 'Ra's daughter' (while also still styling Her as the 'Begetter of Her Own Father'). She also 'became' a bloodthirsty 'Mistress of Plagues' (while simultaneously also being the 'Great Lady of Medicine' and Patroness of Egyptian surgeon-priests/esses, who served Her in Her temples, as well as ministering to the sick), and this aspect was emphasized over Her Totality, which was that She was said to have existed within Her Own Self-Creation even before the emergence of the Ogdoad (the four frogs and four snakes that crawled onto the Primeval Mound of Creation, and whose various couplings brought forth the entire Cosmos along with all the gods of Egypt). One of Sekhmet's titles is 'She Who Existed Before Usir (Osiris)'. Another is 'She Who Precedes All Gods'. Yet another is 'She Wo Travels in Lightning'. Remember this last one; it is important, as I will explain later.
Sekhmet actually predates Dynastic Egypt, just as the Sphinx-- which was originally Her Image as couchant lion-- also predates Dynastic Egypt. We know that the latter is true because of water erosion evidence on the Sphinx Herself, that despite a spate of name-calling and dismissive rhetoric on the part of 'establishment' Egyptologists, cannot be made to go away. The erosion traces and the alignment of the Sphinx-- excuse me, the Great Female Lion-- with the place on the horizon where the constellation Leo rose 10,000 years ago push the date for the monument back well before Dynastic Egypt mysteriously 'jump-started' itself along the Nile around 4,000 BCE. Lastly, we know that the face of the Great Lion-now-Sphinx has been re-carved-- its original (and appropriately proportional) Lion's Face was *literally* 'de-faced' by a Dynastic Egyptian pharaoh, resulting in the out-of proportion 'human-faced pinhead' we see on the Sphinx today. Even classical Egyptologists agree on this one, as all other Egyptian massive art is properly proportioned: the head of today's Sphinx looks too small because it was resculpted from the older Lion's face, which was cut down by the resculpting process. Something else which needs to be noted about the Great Lion is that in Egyptian hieroglyphic grammar, *all* lions, regardless of whether they are male lions or female lionesses, are referred to as female, and the main word for 'lion' in ancient Egyptian carries the feminine '-t' ending, as in Sekhme-t, Ause-t (Isis), etc. Lions 'belonged' to the Powerful Female One well before Egypt was a gleam in a would-be pharoah's eye.
From what I have been able to piece together and otherwise deduce, I would say that Sekhmet corresponds very nicely with the Gnostic concept of the Barbelo (a corruption of the Coptic 'berbir-o', meaning 'Great Lance'-- and a hearty 'Well-spotted!' to those of you who have just made the connection with the earlier-mentioned title, 'She Who Travels in Lightning'...). The Barbelo was said to be the First Emanation of Prime Creative One, when PCO decided that creating some-thing would be rather interesting fun. The Barbelo is also Female in gender, meaning that when Prime Creatve One decided to manifest, the initiating, First Manifestation that PCO chose was as Femaleness. So Sekhmet, a.k.a the Berbiro/Barbelo, is the literal 'Roaring Emanation of All Creation', as *both* the substance of Creation itself and as the idea-spark/lightning-bolt that ignited it. No wonder She is called Sekhmet: 'The Powerful Female One'! The roar of a lion is an apt 'human-sized' simile for the fierce heat of our Electrical Universe, and the Great Lioness is an apt 'human-graspable' symbol for the stupefying Power behind and within All Creation. She Who Travels in Lightning is complete within Herself, both creating and destroying, blasting and healing, as She deems necessary.
There have been many, many links made, both on this website and others with the Cydonia region on Mars, and the Face, with Egypt, so I won't recap any, as I assume that the reader will already know them. I will just point out that Ancient Egypt had a veritable fetish for what they called 'Zep Tepi' or the 'First Time', and also had a fetish (along with other ancient civilizations) for lining up earthly monuments with constellations in the night skies, thus preserving a record of not necessarily what was the actual First Time, but what was being hearkened back to as emblematic of the First Time: the Heavenly Lion Sekhmet, and later, the Heavenly Usir-Pharaoh, as embodied by the constellation Orion. I believe these markers point to an Inner Wisdom which sought to preserve for us the message that our true origins lie elsewhere. We are Skypeople who have forgotten our 'old home'. Native American tribal 'star-keeper' elders, who have no such amnesia, have always understood that 'Skypeople helped us, brought us here to this world to walk upon it and learn, and they will come back to us again when we are ready to walk with them as brothers'. To attempt to prevent humanity from lifting itself out of its cycle of self-imposed suffering, and to hide the truth of who we are and the real nature of the Universe we live in, is about the biggest sin a human can commit against his or her fellow beings. It condemns not only contemporaries, but also future generations to the painful and diminishing enslavement of ignorance.
So if the reader now deduces that I am angry, the reader is correct. Not only am I owed all scientific data that my hard-earned tax-money has bought me, I am also being denied my spiritual right to visit my Mother Sekhmet's ancient Mars Temple as Her lawful (by right of human incarnation) Priestess, to learn the Way of my own, and humanity's Origins. As to what it may be that is 'Coming Soon', it is literally 'She Who Travels in Lightning'-- our solar system is starting to induct a lot of energy, as evidenced by the Sun's increased activity (and in the supposed 'quiet phase' of the 'usual' 11-year-cycle, no less!) and the other changes throughout the solar system that Mr. Hoagland has beautifully presented on this site. The articles at thunderbolts.info are also quite pertinent to the current situation, especially the ones detailing Anthony Peratt's analysis of ancient rock pictographs, which are dead-on diagrams of plasma phenomena that were probably seen in Earth's atmosphere in the relatively recent historical past.
In closing, I would like to make it clear that I am dedicated to walking the Old Path back to humanity's Cosmic Birthright. Not all 'occultists' are quasi-Masonic gits interested in standing on the other guy's head and grinding it into the ground-- forever. I clearly understand that there is a great Unified Sentience, a 'Golden Roaring', running through all Creation, making us all kin. While I respect Jesus, Buddha and other spiritual exemplars, I don't require their salvation/redemption, because as Sekhmet's daughter, I was never lost to Her to begin with. I've merely been forgetful, and that I am remedying with each passing day.
With Respect and Peace,
T'zemt ('Vulcanized'-- this is the 'Enterprise', after all-- form of the Imouharen [Tuareg] word 'tizemt', meaning 'lioness')
latter_days_aint said...
>crypt0:
>My apologies if anything I've said on here has been taken as proselytizing. I have attempted to the best of my ability to leave my personal beliefs (which, incidentally, have little to do with the Watchtower at this point) at the door. Believe me, if I was a fanatical JW, I wouldn't have even dared to let slip half of what I've posted here. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be here in the first place. Watchtower teaches that its religion and adherents have The Truth, so there is no need for us to look anywhere else for answers. If you REALLY understood Watchtower/JW mentality (and you never fully could comprehend it unless you've been one) you would know where I'm going with this. Believe me, I'm the LAST one to do any proselytizing here. I'm fed up with proselytizing OUTSIDE of the safe harbor of cyberspace, so there is no reason for me to do it here. I'm here because a) I'm looking for answers just like the rest of us and b) I feel that, because of my unique experiences, I have something of value to offer everyone here, just as I'm sure everone else does. And the fact is, when the JW organization started, we actually WERE interested in Biblical truth from a VERY open, non-mainstream point of view. But everything changed once the organization was basically usurped by a corrupt lawyer. I suspect the same is true of LDS (I'm not an expert on their theology by any means, but I find any non-mainstream Christian POV to be refreshing, as I'm sure many here do). For example, my post about Alcyone/Pleiades. Nuttier than a cheese log, right? Watchtower is ashamed they ever said this. But I don't know... Given CT Russell and Joseph Smith's Masonic leanings, I think their original teachings need to be re-examined in light of recent conspiratorial events, if nothing else then for a warning example to the rest of us. And who knows, they might have actually been onto something! If nothing else, you could consider me sort of an independent researcher acting covertly as a JW. How could I be proselytizing for an organization I no longer trust? If anything, I could end up being a whistleblower on a possible Masonic/Watchtower/LDS/UN plot to overthrow or destroy all existing world religions! Delusions of adequacy, to be sure, but proselytizing? Not by a long shot. I'd say it's closer to exposing incorrect teachings that are taught as Absolute Truth (and Roman Catholicism fits under this umbrella as well, no offense to any devout Catholics here). I'm the LAST person who wants to see ANYONE forced into a belief system of any kind, religious or otherwise. So, long and short of it, if the moderator(s) of this board feels my comments are valueless, I will immediately cease and decist any postings of a religious nature, Masonic/LDS/WT/JW/-Christian, mainstream Christian, fringe Christian, or otherwise. But I think tolerance and respect is the order of the day, no matter what your beliefs may be.
>" For example, my post about Alcyone/Pleiades. Nuttier than a cheese log, right?"<
Wrong. :)
As you will see, this piece of data re the Pleiades fits PERFECTLY with something we've been working on for some time ... which will become clear when we can publish it.
This is how a REAL multi-disciplinary investigation works: EVERY piece, no matter how seemingly divergent at first, CAN become critically important ... when fit together with another piece ... and another ... and another!
So, keep those disparate data bits a comin' in .... :)
Djbarney said...
Richard Hoagland:
>>Unless we FORCE the appropriate HD technology out of the "black world," these changes could DEFINITELY be BAD ....<<
>But what if that technology is itself BAD ?...lots of energy....big
weapons...nasty accidents....A-Bomb...Death Star ?
>Technology is a double edged sword....a Faustian Bargain....The Lord giveth
and he Taketh away...
>Could there be a Natural balance out ?<
ALL technology is a double-edged sword.
Which is why "we the people" MUST be in charge. At present we're not.
These HD technologies can alter -- even eliminate -- coming "Earth Changes," which otherwise will roll over all of us ... if they're not properly deflected.
And, what if you were to discover as a by product of these technologies, that certain aspects of this Physics could make nuclear weapons useless ... overnight ... by eliminating the possibility for nuclear FISSION itself?
In a stroke, the scourge of nuclear weapons would be removed from the future of Humankind ....
Wouldn't THAT alone be worth it?
Another off topic stray... If they can image this from orbit....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/02/0216_050216_gates.html
Wayne Davis said...
>It's the spamming that bothers me. Just about everyone is contributing something that's helping me learn. I am just digesting all of the TEM site and the views and thoughts expressed here. Staying tuned and ready for DAG and RCH to get it going.<
As I said earlier -- look on the spamming as a mark of our success. Almost 200,000 people (!)have read this blog just since the beginning of August -- according to our stats.
That's PEOPLE ... not just "hits."
So, we're reaching a LOT of folks .... :)
The spammers are just the real-world confirmation of that "outreach" ... like ants at a picnic. :)
As to the campaign to FINALLY get at the truth on the Deep Imapct data, we're almost ready. Stay tuned ....
Iontruo2, I hope you didn't take my "waiting room" analogy as an attempt to marginalize your post. I was simply offering an alternative view for those who can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. I learned a long time ago from listening to Richard and others that if something doesn’t seem to fit…hang on to it cause you may be surprised!
Now I’ll try my hand at grabbin’ some images!
-z
The scientific, and technical, teams involved with Deep Impact continue to toss out conflicting statements as if the whole project is run by a bunch of dingbats.
Maybe it is a case of everyone trying to "cover their own ass", in a mission foul-up that no one wants to take the blame for.
Here is another of my "out on a limb" scenarios.
What if, in this case, the comet is not a piece of the exploded planet, but an actual real McCoy comet?
What if it had a huge body of water inside of it, heated by a small radioactive core, that was teeming with exotic alien life.
What if the colliding Impactor destroyed that "living comet sea"?
How will Nasa explain to the public that one of it's robotic missions killed an outer space environment by crashing into it?
The Sierra Club would kill Nasa.
I would kill Nasa.
In my opinion the whole idea of crashing into a comet is stupid, totally stupid. What we should have done is land on a comet, and then carefully drilled into it.
But, money, money, money, and the lack of it.
So we chose the "half-ass" method, the cheapest method, and crashed into the comet.
The funding system for Nasa via White House, and Congressional whim, is the worst way to go for space exploration. How can anything really serious be planned under the tyranny of whim? Congress is a corporate whorehouse anyway, and the White House at present is Gestapo headquarters.
Forget about the loony "free market" which is nothing but corporate fascism anyway; the agenda for a horrifying "Rollerball" type of world.
I feel that the dream of space exploration is dead for the human race.
Why is it so quite out there?
Each intelligent species might have a very brief window of opportunity to colonize space, and if they miss that opportune window, they don't get a second chance.
We missed our window by closing down the Apollo program.
We are running low on cheap oil now, so space travel will become the last thing that nations will be interested in.
The jungle is returning.
I remember an old 1950s SF film in which one of the characters says, "It is either the jungle, or the stars"
As a species we have chosen "Clockwork Orange", instead of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
The ape in us has won.
...gosh...nevermind.
Dan said...
>OK…OK…
>Let us just suppose, just suppose mind you (and NOT to violate Occam’s Razor), that there WAS a Planet V.
>Before I pose my question, and because I like science fiction, I will make some suppositive (NOT to be confused with “suppository”) observations. Keeping Occam’s Razor in mind, we can be scientific and TEST everything here.
>Given that there WAS a Planet V; given that an intelligent species evolved there; given that they built structures on Mars; given that they built a hotel/temple/battle-star that we now call Iapetus, I still have difficulty believing that they genetically engineered the human species on Earth.
>It just does not make sense that they would have left us in such a primitive state. SURELY they would have colonized Earth and left us with “miracles” of eon-lasting technology archives much greater than the myths, legends, and pyramids that are extant on this planet.
>Yet, GIVEN that a Planet V MAY have existed and this, or part of this, may all be true, it remains to be answered:
>WHAT caused Planet V’s destruction?
>I now postulate that they were a violent and destructive species that could not come to grips with their own rational faculty or their fear of death. GORT, and his associates, blew Planet V to smithereens.
>If there ever WAS a Planet V, it should only require a high school algebra student’s knowledge of conic sections, coupled with a lot of orbital data, to prove that this was true. It should be “easy” to locate the time and place of such an event.
>Yes, I am basing this on the standard gravitational model. Perhaps electromagnetism should be taken into account.
>What do you think, Richard?<
There is a reason why we have NEVER published a "definitive scenario" for the "ancient, pre-Planetary V destruction solar system history" ....
Because we CAN'T ... at least, not yet.
There are simply too many scenarios which would equally fit with our current (very limited) solar system data set!!!
I KNOW it is irresistable to jump into "the solar system soap opera" ... but -- RESIST!! :)
We need to a) PROVE beyond all reasonable doubt that an ancient, solar-system-wide civilization (or more than one!) once existed in this system, and b) find the damn LIBRARIES!
Only THEN will we KNOW what happened (for instance, if there was a "Great War in Heaven") ... and how long ago it happened ... and to "whom."
And even then, we may NOT know for sure -- as history (on Earth) is ALWAYS written by the "victors" .... :)
So for the time being, I radically prefer to stay with the physical science -- which says with increasing certainty a) there WAS a Planet V ... and b) it blew up.
"Why" ... and "who did it" (if "ANYBODY" ...) is NOT knowable at present.
But, have fun with all the (inevitable) speculation. Just remember: it's still "speculation" ....
Scientists recently announced "our galaxy is in fact a barred spiral".they left out the exact geometry of this bar currently.meaning is it pointing at us or not. if you observe all the really cool images of galaxies,on ESA's site,as well as hubble and others. you'll notice these so called 'bars' are associated with the supermassive black hole at the center.and they do in fact spin,and churn up the gas,dust and molecular clouds. these things remind me of some kind of very large dual death rays.if it turns out that "our galaxy's bar is pointing our direction,it could very well have something to do with the heating up of our solar system. any thoughts?
wow...anyone see the latest image from MGS...west argyre. that so looks like an ancient mayan ruin. maybe im reading more into it,but that's a good image. lots of detail with magnification.
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Does anyone know if there is a sci-fi writer(s) that might have come close to getting the story about Planet V correct ?
T'zemt said... >Subject: Cosmic Felines
I am a 'Library Priestess' with a personal interest in Ancient Egypt,
.........With Respect and Peace,
T'zemt ('Vulcanized'-- this is the 'Enterprise', after all-- form of the Imouharen [Tuareg] word 'tizemt', meaning 'lioness' <
ok then. blog has reached cruising altitude. glad i'm on board.
uni
Richard C. Hoagland said...
>But, again ... they KNOW who they are. And ... that I AM watching them. And that, unless they change ... and actually begin to produce INTERESTING, well-researched stuff--
They're outta here! <
Go Skipper!
jimmy said...
>well iontruo2, thanks for patronising guys like me by calling us "poor sods" for wanting to know about the facts of Deep Impact instead of "rebuilding the ark of the covenant" and if "jesus was a jew who fought the jews through christianity".
>for this of course you are a much better person than I am, and you know it too.
>Is it really that difficult for you guys to stay on topic so some don't have to plow through all this nonsense to read the posts about the main topic?
70% of the posts here are about radical/orthodox religious nutcase stuff.
>You will now tell me of course that those things are about Deep Impact....well, I bet they are and my little pink pony can fly too Pluto.
>Richard isnt doing anything about it, so adios from this "poor sod".<
With all due respect to your opinion ... "Richard" IS doing "something" about this:
He's deliberately allowing this free-form conversation to CONTINUE .... :)
Look, there are some commentators here -- and they know who they are -- who BORE ME TO TEARS. They say the SAME thing -- over ... and over ... and over again. They do NOT put careful thought, detailed research, or even common curtesy into their posts. They just run on ... and on ... and on ... as if this were THEIR "blog."
It is not.
It is mine.
They are merely "commentators." That's why it says "Comment" at the end of MY "Captian's Blog." They are here to COMMENT on what I have posted ....
They are "guests" in MY house. Yet, they don't seem to realize this ....
Or, if they do, they are choosing a very poor means of showing it!
Yet, I have DELIBERATELY allowed these people to continue their repetitive ramblings now for several WEEKS.
Why?
Because ... I can instantly scroll PAST them ... and simply tune them out ... with a few deft key strokes!
Unlike the omnipresent commercials which have taken over television, theatres, I-Pods, and all other forms of mass communciation ... in THIS forum ... I can tune them out!
But--
For those few who ARE interested in what these folks have to say -- and for the occasional, genuine important tid-bit that actually comes through, which IS of revelance to what we are discussing here -- I allow them to continue to post their endless, repetitious, boring stuff ....
Again, why?
Because -- I DETEST censorship even more than I detest these folks' obvious, TOTAL DISREGARD for their fellow man and women ... their blind, almost obsessive egos ... and their lack of even the beginnings of an ability to actually research and produce coherent, thoughtful text on ANY subject!
Because, THAT's a LOT of work. And, it's obvious these folks just aren't up to it.
That being said: unless these people engage in DELIBERATE character assassination, or attempt their own form of censorship (by name-calling those who disagree with them and their self-centered tactics ...), I will continue to allow their posts.
But, again ... they KNOW who they are. And ... that I AM watching them. And that, unless they change ... and actually begin to produce INTERESTING, well-researched stuff--
They're outta here!
As some of you may have noticed, I have been ruthlessly eliminating ALL the spammers who have suddenly "discovered" us.
I will also, at some point, curtail those folks who -- either by ignorance or by deliberate design -- are threatening the overall integrity of what we are trying to accomplish here.
This is my "ship," not yours. And, this is your "captain" speaking ....
Stay tuned. :)
BTW Skipper,
Didja ever get a look at those conference venues sent via M Bara?
Still interested?
gil
Dag said...
>The discussion about dark versus light backgrounds (I would have to agree with Zebowho regarding eye strain from a light background monitor) got me to thinking about the Tempel 1 impact. Would it be of any value to play it back in negative image? Might something new be seen? I haven't done it, nor would I know what to look for - I leave that to folks better trained in such things.<
For what it's worth: I spend a LOT of time in front of computer screens. I find our Enterprise "white-on-black" format VERY restful .... :) And, as I've stated, there are trivial ways other folks can change their monitor settings to the standard "black on white" ... if they really want to.
On reversing the tonal values of the Deep Impact imaging: what a GREAT idea!
This technique has been used for over a CENTURY in traditional astronomical photography. And, with digital imagery, doing so is trivial: just produce an instant "negative" in PhotoShop.
So, stay tuned .... :)
Richard C. Hoagland said... 21/8/05 10:34 PM
other side of the pacific said...
Dag said...
>>Richard,
You hint that something big is going to happen soon concerning the HD realm, that the powers-that-be have mastered (at least to some extent) the use of HD technology, that the use of this technology is going to be necessary to weather the HD event, and the mainstream public is being purposely kept in the dark about all of the above.
>>I have a question or two.
>>Is the event going to be disastrous to this planet and the life on it (in its present form)?
>>Will some life continue?
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>When Richard came out with the "Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow" series, I remembered reading something similar on "The Millenium Group".
>Here's a Russian scientists take on the HD effect on our Solar System.
>http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html
>In a nutshell, baaaaaddd news..............<
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Richard said...
ONLY ... if we do NOTHING.
THAT'S why we MUST get our hands on the HD technology in the Black-Ops community ....
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OK Richard, you need to write more about this on your web site or blog.
. . . I am not loosening the chin strap until you do :)
Jayson said...
>Why can't we have exploding planets and have dirty snowballs too? Are the two mutually exclusive?
>You seem awfully convinced now that just because the results after smashing into ONE "comet" that we can totally write off the "dirty snowball model."
>As I asked in an earlier blog, does it not seem a bit hasty to rule out one model over another?<
Actually, this is NOT the first comet NASA's visited. And, as I pointed out in earlier posts -- with references (which I'm too tired right now to go and repost HERE) -- they too revealed a surprising LACK of water.
In fact, one (Borelly) was termed in an official JPL press release: BONE DRY!!
So, Tempel 1 is NOT the "exception." It's the RULE!!
Of course, the scientists and NASA running the disinfo on the deep Impact Mission aren't telling you that! You HAVE to do your own homework ... or ... be fortunate enough to read someone who does it FOR you .... :)
Point two: out of TRILLIONS (literally!) of comets that are supposed to be "out there" in the "standard model," even if Tempel 1 was the FIRST one we had observed and measured close-up ... what would be the odds that it was DIFFERENT from ALL the others ...?
Well, obviously ... TRILLIONS TO ONE!! :)
So, I am NOT "jumping to conclusions" over these fascinating results. i'm merely stating the logical conclusion: comets are NOT "dirty snowballs." Period.
And, for some reason, NASA does NOT want you to know that ....
I think I know WHY. And, I've put over 20 YEARS into the "knowing."
Your milage may differ .... :)
A quick question - I'm pretty sure I'm correct in assuming that not ALL comets and asteroids which whizz and orbit around the rocky-planet centre of the solar system are ex Planet V (some I assume also made their way in from the Oort (sp?) cloud on the outer reaches of the system). However, what proportion of these objects - roughly mind - do you believe WERE ex-Planet V? Was Tempel 1 a lucky strike, or is it a free for all of blown up planety goodness?
Never mind
Relic said...
>I came upon this site a short time ago and find if fascinating, refreshing and informative. I have a question that is somewhat off topic. We have all heard about planets being discovered around other stars recently. The "data" suggests that these are very large gaseous planets orbiting very close to their stars. This is of course is very odd if you subscribe to traditional models of solar system formation. I have heard this oddity explained as these being large gas planets that formed in the outer solar system that gradually spiral into the star. While searching key words found on this site for more info I found the metaresearch.org site -- I'm sure you all probably know of this site. What caught my attention on this site was the Fission Theory for the Origin of Planets and Moons. Could this provide an explanation of the existence of massive gas planets orbiting close to their stars?<
This is another one of Tom Van Flandern's solar system models (and several others before him). The short answer to your last question is: yes, it could explain the massive planets now found EXTREMELY close to hundreds of stars ... and in CIRCULAR orbits!
But, because of the overwhelming control by NASA and other mainstream astronomical institutions of the theoretical models in ALL the journals, NASA (as one example), as well as the major telescope time, these institutions are NOT persuing these "anomalous" ideas -- just like they're not persuing other "anomalous" ideas, like "artifacts on Mars" -- with ANY significant resources.
Where this gets REALLY interesting, of course, is that OUR own solar system seems to be VERY DIFFERENT from ALL the other ones we have so far discovered out there via these techniques ....
And, I think THAT overriding "anomaly" is trying VERY HARD to tell us something CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT about how our system REALLY came about ....
Stay tuned. :)
Correct me if I'm wrong...So Planet V gets taken out of the solar system equasion, which throws the harmonious nature of our neighbourhood our of whack, and now with some form of "hyperdimentional energy changes" coming and no planet V the changes become very irregular and unfocused? So the potential for problems due to energy build up increases remarkably.
If the natural state of things was to have that extra planet, that really suggests to me that someone blew it up, either on purpose or through blind stupidity...I can't see a stable system stuffing up like that if formed correctly.
But with that all said and done, this doesn't mean the Earth will suffer greatly, it just means we're an a wheel of mis-fortune where things might either end up really bad, or not quite so bad.
No form of bad could ever really be any good though by definition. So what would the plan be if Hyperdimentional Phyiscs knowledge was applied? Form a valve near earth and let off some steam in our area? Or perhaps go to where Planet V used to be and form some kind of hyperdimentional sticking plaster over the wound?
So confuzled
Richard......
Does your BLOG SOFTWARE allow a sort of "collapsed thread" display along with the comments under each of your main blogging entries???
It would be a lot more efficient to be able to see who says what//when and who responded. I'm having to physically make a note as to when I've posted and then doo searches from there.
Later......KR
bjorns said...
>>Kalter said... 21/8/05 12:30 PM
>Richard says......
>>Again, it's what we're going to DO about it that's equally important now.
>>Once we get our full case on the table, then we're going to lay out VERY specific plans for how to finally get this continuing deceit to STOP -- by both legal and other means ....
>>But, it will take the active participation of EVERYONE who's reading this ....<<
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>LOOK!!! Only the Congress and The Executive can REALLY trump NASA. The problem with those entities is that only a few individuals within the Establishment know enough about science to make informed decisions, but even they eventually have to support or oppose an act based on "political considerations".
>Supposedly the Founding Fathers (esp. Franklin) foresaw this sort of conundrum...ie. where a significant, educated public sector exhibits an intellectual weighting factor greater than the legislative and judicial branches.
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>The Congress and the 'Executive' are all elected. So it is our duty to collect our common voices into one singular voice to raise hell and let all the ELECTED representatives, the president and the grey masses of bureaucrats know that we want to be heard and we want changes.
>If there are only a very few individuals who has any education or knowledge about this then we need to educate them - don't we? We have to organize as a single group. Politicians only listen to groups - LARGE groups with a specific agenda - who can get them elected/re-elected. Money/Power/Results. So - what are we going to do as a collective, and not as individuals sitting in our separate rooms shouting about injustices and falsehoods? Gather as one group. How? I don't know, but it needs to be looked at seriously.<
That's precisely my idea. Stay tuned .... :)
T'zemt said...
>Subject: Cosmic Felines
>I am a 'Library Priestess' with a personal interest in Ancient Egypt, Gnosticism, and the Hidden Back-Story of Humanity. I *have* read much on this website, and have also been following such sites as Linda Moulton Howe's Earthfiles and the Electric Universe stuff at thunderbolts.info. I have no problem accepting that comets are not 'dirty snowballs', that the entire Solar System is undergoing 'global warming', that our Sun is not a thermonuclear 'furnace' (but is, rather, the massively arcing anode of a gargantuan 'solar-system circuit'), and that Skypeople-- and the Face on Mars-- are real. I am enjoying the heck out of this blog, and will be ready to pepper whomever with letters, etc., to get the data that is mine, by right of my payment of taxes, revealed in its entirety to *anyone* who wishes to examine it. That being said, I now wish to address the 'Cats on Mars' issue: dig in your claws, kitties, here we go...
>The Face on Mars is a Feline, and is none other than Sekhmet, Whose Name means 'The Powerful One'. Later Egyptian mythology dealt with Her (as most 'later mythologies' did with Primal Female Godhead archetypes) by lessening Her primacy by marrying Her off to Ptah and making Her 'Ra's daughter' (while also still styling Her as the 'Begetter of Her Own Father'). She also 'became' a bloodthirsty 'Mistress of Plagues' (while simultaneously also being the 'Great Lady of Medicine' and Patroness of Egyptian surgeon-priests/esses, who served Her in Her temples, as well as ministering to the sick), and this aspect was emphasized over Her Totality, which was that She was said to have existed within Her Own Self-Creation even before the emergence of the Ogdoad (the four frogs and four snakes that crawled onto the Primeval Mound of Creation, and whose various couplings brought forth the entire Cosmos along with all the gods of Egypt). One of Sekhmet's titles is 'She Who Existed Before Usir (Osiris)'. Another is 'She Who Precedes All Gods'. Yet another is 'She Wo Travels in Lightning'. Remember this last one; it is important, as I will explain later.
>Sekhmet actually predates Dynastic Egypt, just as the Sphinx-- which was originally Her Image as couchant lion-- also predates Dynastic Egypt. We know that the latter is true because of water erosion evidence on the Sphinx Herself, that despite a spate of name-calling and dismissive rhetoric on the part of 'establishment' Egyptologists, cannot be made to go away. The erosion traces and the alignment of the Sphinx-- excuse me, the Great Female Lion-- with the place on the horizon where the constellation Leo rose 10,000 years ago push the date for the monument back well before Dynastic Egypt mysteriously 'jump-started' itself along the Nile around 4,000 BCE. Lastly, we know that the face of the Great Lion-now-Sphinx has been re-carved-- its original (and appropriately proportional) Lion's Face was *literally* 'de-faced' by a Dynastic Egyptian pharaoh, resulting in the out-of proportion 'human-faced pinhead' we see on the Sphinx today. Even classical Egyptologists agree on this one, as all other Egyptian massive art is properly proportioned: the head of today's Sphinx looks too small because it was resculpted from the older Lion's face, which was cut down by the resculpting process. Something else which needs to be noted about the Great Lion is that in Egyptian hieroglyphic grammar, *all* lions, regardless of whether they are male lions or female lionesses, are referred to as female, and the main word for 'lion' in ancient Egyptian carries the feminine '-t' ending, as in Sekhme-t, Ause-t (Isis), etc. Lions 'belonged' to the Powerful Female One well before Egypt was a gleam in a would-be pharoah's eye.
>From what I have been able to piece together and otherwise deduce, I would say that Sekhmet corresponds very nicely with the Gnostic concept of the Barbelo (a corruption of the Coptic 'berbir-o', meaning 'Great Lance'-- and a hearty 'Well-spotted!' to those of you who have just made the connection with the earlier-mentioned title, 'She Who Travels in Lightning'...). The Barbelo was said to be the First Emanation of Prime Creative One, when PCO decided that creating some-thing would be rather interesting fun. The Barbelo is also Female in gender, meaning that when Prime Creatve One decided to manifest, the initiating, First Manifestation that PCO chose was as Femaleness. So Sekhmet, a.k.a the Berbiro/Barbelo, is the literal 'Roaring Emanation of All Creation', as *both* the substance of Creation itself and as the idea-spark/lightning-bolt that ignited it. No wonder She is called Sekhmet: 'The Powerful Female One'! The roar of a lion is an apt 'human-sized' simile for the fierce heat of our Electrical Universe, and the Great Lioness is an apt 'human-graspable' symbol for the stupefying Power behind and within All Creation. She Who Travels in Lightning is complete within Herself, both creating and destroying, blasting and healing, as She deems necessary.
>There have been many, many links made, both on this website and others with the Cydonia region on Mars, and the Face, with Egypt, so I won't recap any, as I assume that the reader will already know them. I will just point out that Ancient Egypt had a veritable fetish for what they called 'Zep Tepi' or the 'First Time', and also had a fetish (along with other ancient civilizations) for lining up earthly monuments with constellations in the night skies, thus preserving a record of not necessarily what was the actual First Time, but what was being hearkened back to as emblematic of the First Time: the Heavenly Lion Sekhmet, and later, the Heavenly Usir-Pharaoh, as embodied by the constellation Orion. I believe these markers point to an Inner Wisdom which sought to preserve for us the message that our true origins lie elsewhere. We are Skypeople who have forgotten our 'old home'. Native American tribal 'star-keeper' elders, who have no such amnesia, have always understood that 'Skypeople helped us, brought us here to this world to walk upon it and learn, and they will come back to us again when we are ready to walk with them as brothers'. To attempt to prevent humanity from lifting itself out of its cycle of self-imposed suffering, and to hide the truth of who we are and the real nature of the Universe we live in, is about the biggest sin a human can commit against his or her fellow beings. It condemns not only contemporaries, but also future generations to the painful and diminishing enslavement of ignorance.
>So if the reader now deduces that I am angry, the reader is correct. Not only am I owed all scientific data that my hard-earned tax-money has bought me, I am also being denied my spiritual right to visit my Mother Sekhmet's ancient Mars Temple as Her lawful (by right of human incarnation) Priestess, to learn the Way of my own, and humanity's Origins. As to what it may be that is 'Coming Soon', it is literally 'She Who Travels in Lightning'-- our solar system is starting to induct a lot of energy, as evidenced by the Sun's increased activity (and in the supposed 'quiet phase' of the 'usual' 11-year-cycle, no less!) and the other changes throughout the solar system that Mr. Hoagland has beautifully presented on this site. The articles at thunderbolts.info are also quite pertinent to the current situation, especially the ones detailing Anthony Peratt's analysis of ancient rock pictographs, which are dead-on diagrams of plasma phenomena that were probably seen in Earth's atmosphere in the relatively recent historical past.
>In closing, I would like to make it clear that I am dedicated to walking the Old Path back to humanity's Cosmic Birthright. Not all 'occultists' are quasi-Masonic gits interested in standing on the other guy's head and grinding it into the ground-- forever. I clearly understand that there is a great Unified Sentience, a 'Golden Roaring', running through all Creation, making us all kin. While I respect Jesus, Buddha and other spiritual exemplars, I don't require their salvation/redemption, because as Sekhmet's daughter, I was never lost to Her to begin with. I've merely been forgetful, and that I am remedying with each passing day.
>With Respect and Peace,
>T'zemt ('Vulcanized'-- this is the 'Enterprise', after all-- form of the Imouharen [Tuareg] word 'tizemt', meaning 'lioness')<
Now, THAT is a well-researched, carefully-documented, beautifully expressed post ....
THAT'S how it is done. :)
Meow.
T'zemt said... 21/8/05 10:46 PM
Subject: Cosmic Felines
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Richard C. Hoagland said... 22/8/05 3:41 AM
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I second Richard's words. I would add . . . elegant, insightful and thoughtful.
In addition - if you have a website to share with us all . . . ????????
RatCatcher said...
>The scientific, and technical, teams involved with Deep Impact continue to toss out conflicting statements as if the whole project is run by a bunch of dingbats.
Maybe it is a case of everyone trying to "cover their own ass", in a mission foul-up that no one wants to take the blame for.
>Here is another of my "out on a limb" scenarios.
What if, in this case, the comet is not a piece of the exploded planet, but an actual real McCoy comet?
>What if it had a huge body of water inside of it, heated by a small radioactive core, that was teeming with exotic alien life.
What if the colliding Impactor destroyed that "living comet sea"?
How will Nasa explain to the public that one of it's robotic missions killed an outer space environment by crashing into it?
The Sierra Club would kill Nasa.
I would kill Nasa.
>In my opinion the whole idea of crashing into a comet is stupid, totally stupid. What we should have done is land on a comet, and then carefully drilled into it.
But, money, money, money, and the lack of it.
So we chose the "half-ass" method, the cheapest method, and crashed into the comet.
>The funding system for Nasa via White House, and Congressional whim, is the worst way to go for space exploration. How can anything really serious be planned under the tyranny of whim? Congress is a corporate whorehouse anyway, and the White House at present is Gestapo headquarters.
>Forget about the loony "free market" which is nothing but corporate fascism anyway; the agenda for a horrifying "Rollerball" type of world.
>I feel that the dream of space exploration is dead for the human race.
Why is it so quite out there?
Each intelligent species might have a very brief window of opportunity to colonize space, and if they miss that opportune window, they don't get a second chance.
We missed our window by closing down the Apollo program.
We are running low on cheap oil now, so space travel will become the last thing that nations will be interested in.
The jungle is returning.
>I remember an old 1950s SF film in which one of the characters says, "It is either the jungle, or the stars"
>As a species we have chosen "Clockwork Orange", instead of "2001: A Space Odyssey"
The ape in us has won.<
I don't remember "choosing" any of this .... And, neither do MOST of the folks who are here reading.
If I REALLY believed in your scenario ... would I be doing this? No.
Though I share your apprehensions that we are SERIOUSLY running out of time -- on MANY fronts -- I know that astonishing breakthroughs are still possible ... on both the technical AND political fronts.
History is NOT linear. If it were, we would NOT be here.
The very fact that there are ruins littering the solar system is proof that "someone" made it off their/this planet ... well BEFORE us. And are ... "somewhere out there."
Hell, for all I know, the UFOs that so many are seeing and photographing, are OUR OWN RELATIVES ... back to try to help. And ASTONISHED by how far we've "fallen" since they've been gone .... :)
At any rate, did you read my earlier comment: we've had almost 200,000 PEOPLE (not "hits") visit here just since August 1?!
"Somone" IS listening ....
We just need now to organize some serious attention to what we're ALL mad about ... while there's still time.
Stay tuned. :)
crypt0 said... 22/8/05 1:30 AM
> Does anyone know if there is a sci-fi writer(s) that might have come close to getting the story about Planet V correct ?
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I don't have an answer for you, but is there anything called -correct- in relations to Planet V that as of today is all based on theory?
Sorry to pick on religion on a Sunday ! I was so impressed with Latter_Days_Aint's post, it sort of showed up jasgrave's post. Latter tells us to Google Kubrick & Illuminati then he moves on. Paragraphs too ! I do have a page of Bible quotes from jasgrave, but it's the vertigo of scrolling. FWIW, I was the first to jump on the spam from those who got to the Captain's Blog solely based on the web-hit numbers. To those robots, who post to promote their own site : we're not real to them, we're data. So, I shouldn't have questioned jasgrave's heart.
It's not in the public interest to plan the exploitation of resources in space because in the past, countries were not democracies and the US had centuries of experience with a frontier. It is in the interests of National Security to know the true leading edge of science. If open-pit mining by remote control works in the High Arctic, that knowledge could be used on the Moon, or Mars. How many countries are developing that technology ? Land-locked European countries don't have access to a frontier, or extreme mining ... but the high frontier is there.
When you look at old maps, you'll see monsters in the sea and it raises the question : Were the rivers and coastlines drawn on the maps highways or walls ? That would depend on your wealth, your access to education, access to ships. We could be witnessing a massive disinformation campaign solely to make space seem boring UNTIL the ability to launch is inhibited by oil shortages. The Europeans lied to us barbarians on the periphery often enough, maybe we were happily "giving it right back to them" when they launched the European Space Agency. Perhaps we are victims of friendly fire in an ongoing trans-Atlantic information war ?
The Blue Print for America is in Aquitaine, Ireland and Venice. The Young Republic was so desperate to get diplomatic recognition from the Concert of Europe, they (by choice or coercion) imported the European concepts of 'constructed space' which spread to the rest of the world. The Blue Print for Space will be set by Wall Street, probably based on as many of the old traditions as possible.
Expansion into Space will be based on the development of technology, alloys etc which will set the timetable. Wall Street did not want the fruits of capitalism - invention - to fall into Communist hands. Maybe our crime scene is not a murder after all. The Cold War created an incestuous relationship between Intelligence, Black Ops and Wall Street and we're all gathered here to attempt to pry them off one another.
btw : to clarify about comets : I don't think oil is unlimited in supply, but I do think we don't know enough about where oil comes from to confirm or deny this THEORY about peak oil. Does oil accrete ? Or is it primordial ? I have no idea.
Planning to move into the frontier of outer space is not quite the same thing as planning a suburban economy ... but anti-gravity will change the suburban economy - something that cannot happen UNTIL the losses on Earth can be recouped in Space or through spin-off products.
Would the public back a mining operation ?
james said...
>Scientists recently announced "our galaxy is in fact a barred spiral".they left out the exact geometry of this bar currently.meaning is it pointing at us or not. if you observe all the really cool images of galaxies,on ESA's site,as well as hubble and others. you'll notice these so called 'bars' are associated with the supermassive black hole at the center.and they do in fact spin,and churn up the gas,dust and molecular clouds. these things remind me of some kind of very large dual death rays.if it turns out that "our galaxy's bar is pointing our direction,it could very well have something to do with the heating up of our solar system. any thoughts?<
Nice try ... but no cigar. :)
The highly anomalous "HD effects" currently occurring in the solar system are strictly LOCAL. They're coming literally out of space immediately around us ... from ANOTHER DIMENSION. They have NOTHING to do with the Galaxy's overall geometry ....
We will prove this in future publications -- by predicting key physical events not yet observed, based on the LOCAL HD model.
That's what science is: specific physical predictions ... which turn out to be right. :)
Incidentally, an old friend of mine -- Dr. Paul La Violette -- has published extensively on this idea that "a supermassive black hole in the center of the Galaxy is going to explode" ... again ... dooming our current epoch of civilization.
He's a nice guy ... but he's wrong. Go have a look anyway for yourself. Just search his name on Google. :)
unipax said...
>BTW Skipper,
Didja ever get a look at those conference venues sent via M Bara?
Still interested?<
'been snowed. Even had a TV crew this weekend.
Will jog the system this week and get back to you ....
BTW: I did say I LOVE cruises, didn't I?! You know, that "ship" thing and all .... :)
M said...
>A quick question - I'm pretty sure I'm correct in assuming that not ALL comets and asteroids which whizz and orbit around the rocky-planet centre of the solar system are ex Planet V (some I assume also made their way in from the Oort (sp?) cloud on the outer reaches of the system). However, what proportion of these objects - roughly mind - do you believe WERE ex-Planet V? Was Tempel 1 a lucky strike, or is it a free for all of blown up planety goodness?<
Oort Cloud ...? WHAT "Oort Cloud?"
You see, when you begin to question the ORIGIN of these smallest, most prolific members of the solar system ... REALLY question it ... it becomes obvious that the "Oort Cloud" was created (on paper) to "explain" that which the (then) standard comet model/observations COULDN'T ....
But, it has NEVER, in fact, actually been observed ....
It too is just a THEORETICAL construct ... like orbiting "dirty snowballs."
If comets are the returning remains of pieces of the outer crust of former, exploded, mature planet ... then the whole idea of an "Oort Cloud" -- as a vast reservoir of unseen comets -- is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY ... to explain the long-period comets we see falling back into the inner solar system from time to time ....
This is a NON-TRIVIAL, SOLAR SYSTEM REVOLUTION. NOTHING is "sacred." :)
>brian c said...
>
>Dr. John said... 'Richard did you imply calcium carbonate or did he actually say calcium
>carbonate? The quote seems to imply carbonate in a generic sense.'
>Richard C. Hoagland said... 'read the actual interview with Lisse by Howe. He STRONGLY implies
>"CALCIUM carbonate" .... :)'
>
>Here's the specific quote in question:
>Dr. Lisse said... 'Carbonate is interesting in that it's like calcium carbonate, limestone,
>that you find on the Earth.'
>
>BTW great to have your insight here, Dr. John. :)
Thanks for the kind words and the quote Brian C.
I have read Linda's interview and reread the blog. Lisse's wording is open ended especially when compared to how he puts in context other compounds found in the spectral data. Most of it comes off as anologies in ehelping to exlpain the type of things found. I read it as him trying his best to put things in laymen's terms as I do at time explaining scientific terms or process to those with limited back grounds. So with that said that's how I approached what he was saying. Yes in that sense he could of used different carbonate examples. So I see where you get the reading between the lines Richard. I think where both asking the same basic question though and I did not express that clearly enough. That is how did the carbonates found there begin their journey so to speak. And I was also trying to point out that with more details on the type of carbonate found more insight into its formation can be made. Whether by known processes or attempts at formulating new ones to test experimentally. Also remember I was looking at it as a chemist.
Lisse also commented in the interview:
>What's confusing is that comets, as far as we know, were formed at about 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin
>above absolute zero. Very cold! Think ice ball and very little chemistry can happen to them.
>On the other hand, you have 5 billion years to make stuff. So even if you are making things
>What's confusing is that comets, as far as we know, were formed at about 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin >above absolute zero. Very cold! Think ice ball and very little chemistry can happen to them.
As chemist I say wait a second. I know I have done experiments where the reaction were done at room temperature, at high temperature and atmospheric pressures, high temp and high pressure, low pressures with different temp. and I could go on (even with technique I've read about in the literature). And the one thing that I have learned is that CHEMISTRY HAPPENS. Whether is is the dedired or not. So its easy for one to dismiss super low temps and the conditions he refers to. But with the Sun expelling radiation and the atoms or molecules involved highly reactive species such as free radicals (stable or unstable) can be formed and exist long enough for a reaction to take place under these conditions. Now the kinetic may be slow but given time scales here chemistry happens.
Now I'm not saying that I'm right or he is right. It just he is quickly brushing through this like he went somewhere he should not have. How about a companion to hyperdimensional phyics maybe hyperdimensional chemistry? Quantum physics changed approaches to other scientic disciplines. And anyway one cuts it, the finding of any type of carbonate is big.
M said...
>Correct me if I'm wrong...So Planet V gets taken out of the solar system equasion, which throws the harmonious nature of our neighbourhood our of whack, and now with some form of "hyperdimentional energy changes" coming and no planet V the changes become very irregular and unfocused? So the potential for problems due to energy build up increases remarkably.
>If the natural state of things was to have that extra planet, that really suggests to me that someone blew it up, either on purpose or through blind stupidity...I can't see a stable system stuffing up like that if formed correctly.
>But with that all said and done, this doesn't mean the Earth will suffer greatly, it just means we're an a wheel of mis-fortune where things might either end up really bad, or not quite so bad.
>No form of bad could ever really be any good though by definition. So what would the plan be if Hyperdimentional Phyiscs knowledge was applied? Form a valve near earth and let off some steam in our area? Or perhaps go to where Planet V used to be and form some kind of hyperdimentional sticking plaster over the wound?
>So confuzled <
Actually, you're REMARKABLY close to having analyzed the entire situation EXACTLY right!!
It's ALL about what has happened to this solar system, after Planet V exploded ... or ... was destroyed!
The "system" was/is a "system" ... and it's now "out of tune."
It's not the total energy which is the problem. It is the "tune" -- the range of HD frequencies currently entering the system ....
And their eventual effect on Earth.
So, (ouch) "stay tuned" .... :)
(It's more than just a nice idea ... it is the LAW!)
We WILL be writing up a detailed analysis of all of this, at the appropriate time: defined as "when we know what the hell we're talking about IN DETAIL -- and can make some important and SPECIFIC scientific predictions base on the HD Model.
We're close. :)
There are no such things as Black Holes, either in the cores of galaxies or floating about in their apendages. Considering a massive black hole at the center of galaxies ( not just ours apparently ) their has been ample time for something like that to signifigantly collapse our galaxy into almost nothing. Do we see other distant galaxies collapsing under immense gravitational forces from these imaginary beasts ??? NO !!!
I for one agree with the Electric Universe proponents, that black holes, dark matter/energies are just imaginary theoretical constructs to keep their failing and seriously flawed models afloat for continued funding.
I like RC's approach of science where observation and testable predictions are the deciding factor in whether things like these actually exist. So far observations have not proven the mainstreams ASSUMTIONS based on a gravity only Universe.
Dr. John said...
>>brian c said...
>>Dr. John said... 'Richard did you imply calcium carbonate or did he actually say calcium
carbonate? The quote seems to imply carbonate in a generic sense.'
>>Richard C. Hoagland said... 'read the actual interview with Lisse by Howe. He STRONGLY implies
>>"CALCIUM carbonate" .... :)'
>>Here's the specific quote in question:
>Dr. Lisse said... 'Carbonate is interesting in that it's like calcium carbonate, limestone,
>that you find on the Earth.'
>
>BTW great to have your insight here, Dr. John. :)
>Thanks for the kind words and the quote Brian C.
>I have read Linda's interview and reread the blog. Lisse's wording is open ended especially when compared to how he puts in context other compounds found in the spectral data. Most of it comes off as anologies in ehelping to exlpain the type of things found. I read it as him trying his best to put things in laymen's terms as I do at time explaining scientific terms or process to those with limited back grounds. So with that said that's how I approached what he was saying. Yes in that sense he could of used different carbonate examples. So I see where you get the reading between the lines Richard. I think where both asking the same basic question though and I did not express that clearly enough. That is how did the carbonates found there begin their journey so to speak. And I was also trying to point out that with more details on the type of carbonate found more insight into its formation can be made. Whether by known processes or attempts at formulating new ones to test experimentally. Also remember I was looking at it as a chemist.
>Lisse also commented in the interview:
>What's confusing is that comets, as far as we know, were formed at about 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin
>above absolute zero. Very cold! Think ice ball and very little chemistry can happen to them.
>On the other hand, you have 5 billion years to make stuff. So even if you are making things
>What's confusing is that comets, as far as we know, were formed at about 30 to 40 degrees Kelvin >above absolute zero. Very cold! Think ice ball and very little chemistry can happen to them.
>As chemist I say wait a second. I know I have done experiments where the reaction were done at room temperature, at high temperature and atmospheric pressures, high temp and high pressure, low pressures with different temp. and I could go on (even with technique I've read about in the literature). And the one thing that I have learned is that CHEMISTRY HAPPENS. Whether is is the dedired or not. So its easy for one to dismiss super low temps and the conditions he refers to. But with the Sun expelling radiation and the atoms or molecules involved highly reactive species such as free radicals (stable or unstable) can be formed and exist long enough for a reaction to take place under these conditions. Now the kinetic may be slow but given time scales here chemistry happens.
>Now I'm not saying that I'm right or he is right. It just he is quickly brushing through this like he went somewhere he should not have. How about a companion to hyperdimensional phyics maybe hyperdimensional chemistry? Quantum physics changed approaches to other scientic disciplines. And anyway one cuts it, the finding of any type of carbonate is big.<
I'm with you: STRICTLY speaking, Lisse did NOT say "calcium carbonate." He IMPLIED it ... by using "limestone" as an analogy ....
And, yes, chemistry can occur at anything above Absolute Zero ... but I seem to remember that it's NOT linear, so to make enough "carbonate" at 30 or 40 Kelvin to be seen (remember) from "83 million miles away," from our puny little impactor releasing it ... would take a HELLUVA long time ... probably longer than the solar system has been around!
That's the key question, isn't it? Do you need terrestrial (room temperature) conditions to make this stuff?
The damn thing is that we should NOT have to GUESS!
We should be able to look at the (OUR!!) actual data, and KNOW what the amounts were, what kinds of carbonates, silicates, etc., were seen ... and for how long.
And what those "unexplained lines" were that we KNOW from other sources (Keck) were ONLY observed for the first 24 hours or so aftr Impact ....
The reason I think Lisse was trying to tell us CALCIUM carbonate is because of what ELSE I know that you may NOT ... or, may have forgotten.
Tom Van Flandern and I both know of meteorites picked up recently here on Earth with SALT WATER DROPLETS trapped inside!!
And, where does SALT water come from ....? On Earth -- OCEANS.
I'm still betting on CALCIUM carbonate in Tempel 1. :)
Mr. Hoagland (and others :-),
You /may/ have considered this already so please excuse me if you have,
but I hav'nt really seen much discussion of this kind of thing...
Well....it was Tuvok...he barged into my cabin and said this...then left
...typical Vulcan...
---
NOTE FROM TUVOK:
This information conforms to section 7, sub paragraph
4 of Starfleet Prime Directive protocols.
This information could potentially be of a destabalising
nature to a Class 4 transitionary world such as Earth
in the early 21st Century.
I would recommend that you use extreme caution in the
use of this information.
Tuvok (Security Officer).
---
DJBarney
Feel free to delete this Richard, I just wrote this little ditty over the last 20 odd minutes...I should have been asleep by now!
A Dying World by M.
Tsin Gelmesh watched as another swarm of ships lifted off from various points of the Great City. Almost plague like, they danced and swirled about each other as they gracefully spirled upwards into the red twighlight air out into space and towards sanctuary. It had been over an hour since the last quake.
'A lull before the inevitable crescendo,' Tsin chuckled to himself sarcastically.
The warm, sweet sea breeze was almost calming as it gently glided in from the east. It was hard to tell if it was a dying planets embrase to its children, or a cruel reminder of what was about to be lost for ever.
Tsin used to be a teacher of botony until all this happened. He had classes and students once, but there was no need for school now, and why when everything you knew and worked for was coming to a rather violent and pointless end. Now he, like others in the inner rim living complex, stood on one of the many belconies watching the ballet of ships, each filled to the brim with families fleeing for their lives. Tsin then felt a familiar feeling at the base of his feet, distracting him from the events above. A small orange and black tabby cried 'for up' and Tsin gratefully complied, picking up the friendly yet rather chubly Mr Grimbles.
Mr Grimbles, on occasion, took pleasure in getting lost in the exterior wall spaces of the complex. It was a mystery to all as to how he did it, including the maintanence team as there were no holes in which the cat could have gotten in but many were repeatedly formed and healed when the cat had to be extracted after being found screaming furiously for freedom. Now Tsin had a good idea as to the agony his dear friend went through whilst being stuck, claustrophobic and awaiting rescue.
The slowly reddining sky was a-buzz in harmony as ship after ship melodically slipped overhead. And all around on other belconies of the inner ring complex were hundreds of others, watching and hoping that there was someone they knew or befriended at some time who had a ship and had not yet left, but silently they knew it was unlikely that any more space would be found in time.
The official word was deafening in its simplicity. 'Evacuate. Leave the surface and scatter to sanctuary.' Soon afterwards the quakes began. Tsin had experienced earthquakes before, but back then they were relatively small and easy to understand - really it was simple science with a moon as big as that rotating above their heads. These new ones were different and extremely violent however. The weather also changed in an instant; unheard of hurricanes and other storms descimated vast areas of the planets surface. There was no panic – people were too stunned to panic. Catatonic. But then just recently came this brief reprieve, as if the world was inhaling for the final encore.
Then, finaly, it happened. The sound was so deafening that it was heard by no one. The sight that confronted them so spectacular that none could quite believe it. Never had Tsin imagined anything like this - cracks and fissures could be seen forming for miles around, a bright warm glow from below filled in the steadily forming voids. The sea rippled, bulged, sagged and finally shot forth walls of superheated water and steam.
Tsin gently stroked the head of his dear friend, who in return slowly lifted its fluffy head and stared him straight in the eyes. For a moment as the world was ending around him Tsin broke a smile, and Mr Grimbles purred softly in its persons arms and slowly went to sleep.
Kevin wrote:
I like RC's approach of science where observation and testable predictions are the deciding factor in whether things like these actually exist. So far observations have not proven the mainstreams ASSUMTIONS based on a gravity only Universe.
Kevin I like your skeptism towards how things have been postulated. The researchers I've graviated towards in my mentoring as a chemist have been those that question even thier own work. The more sucessful chemists do just that. Take for instance Linus Pauling. He turn the then chemical establishment on its ear. The most intersting little tidbit was that at the end of his long career he changed research paths from inorganic chemistry to biochemistry because he saw that area as lacking the proper focus. Though he was not as noted for his work done here, his example shows that there is rare individuals who will swim against the current. The thing that I have loved from the research I have done is not have the experiment come out as hoped but having that curveball throw at you that make you/ forces you to question what has happened and to explore why. Only then do you really open the door to new understandings. Many researchers across the board tend to look as such failure as that and not as opportunity. And as such results that may be unrelated in another field bay hold the key. Historian James Burke has some interesting writings and TV progams on the cause and effect approach to history. They as 'The Day The Universe Changed' and 'Connections'. His take on things show how what may appear as a deadend for one may be the beginning for another or how one little idea can spawn several unrelated things along with what was intended.
The aspect of your post that really got me is how your so close to the next step. That is the question is why base everything off Earth based observations with a small sample size of observations from actual exploration. The way to get at this is why I always argue for manned space exploration. The flood gates need to be opened here. The baby steps taken so far towards space need to be stretched. With a exploration on the scale of the 1500 and 1600s, questions will be answered but more importantly many more will be asked. As this should be fundemental to how we grow as a civilization.
Remember it was once thought that everything that could be thought of has happened and nothing else needed to be learned. Funny thing happened, the calander cahnged to the twentieth century. We all know what happened next.
Remember Kevin, question are good!
Richard C. Hoagland said... >BTW: I did say I LOVE cruises, didn't I?! You know, that "ship" thing and all .... :) <
Yep. Great!
gil
>I'm with you: STRICTLY speaking, Lisse did NOT say "calcium carbonate." He IMPLIED it ... by using "limestone" as an analogy ....
>And, yes, chemistry can occur at anything above Absolute Zero ... but I seem to remember that it's NOT linear, so to make enough "carbonate" at 30 or 40 Kelvin to be seen (remember) from "83 million miles away," from our puny little impactor releasing it ... would take a HELLUVA long time ... probably longer than the solar system has been around!
>That's the key question, isn't it? Do you need terrestrial (room temperature) conditions to make this stuff?
>The damn thing is that we should NOT have to GUESS!
>We should be able to look at the (OUR!!) actual data, and KNOW what the amounts were, what kinds of carbonates, silicates, etc., were seen ... and for how long.
>And what those "unexplained lines" were that we KNOW from other sources (Keck) were ONLY observed for the first 24 hours or so aftr Impact ....
>The reason I think Lisse was trying to tell us CALCIUM carbonate is because of what ELSE I know that you may NOT ... or, may have forgotten.
>Tom Van Flandern and I both know of meteorites picked up recently here on Earth with SALT WATER DROPLETS trapped inside!!
>And, where does SALT water come from ....? On Earth -- OCEANS.
>I'm still betting on CALCIUM carbonate in Tempel 1. :)
Yeah, he is getting at Calcium. I haven't forgotten what calcium carbonate helps point to (the l word). That's why its one of the biggys coming from the Deep impact data. On the point of we should not have to guess is spot on and what I wast trying to get across. Computational and wet chemists would love the challenge. My point here is if he thinks he got another process there are way we on Earth can easily prove or disprove. What Lisse and others need to remember is that when it boils down to it chemistry a part of it. That's why it's referred to as the central science. It seems so many time that chemistry is the forgotten portion and ends up being over looked.
On salt water and carbonates the Martian meteorite ALH84001 is the big example. ;)
On the unexplained lines, that's why I have been asking about what elso was seen either elementally or molecularly that has not been made public. One explaination would be chemistry happened and compound(s) mot present were formed. Remember we added energy so reactions have a potential to happen. Now finding out what then may have been formed can hold clues to what was there to begin with. Reverse engineer the compounds. Again speculation here would be a bais point to ground based research. This would lead to a better understanding all around. Another possiblity is that say the concentration of new compound is below the detection level of the instruments used, this could say a structural change has occured on a crystalline lattice scale not a molecular scale. This would bring my polymorph example in my orginal post to the fore front. A brief change on how the molecule are arranged in the solid state. With the unexplain lines disappearing would mean a possible reversible process has would be the case with a polymorph potentially. Meaning that the new lattice structure shown different spectral properties (which would not be unsual) and over a period of 24hrs the new lattice structure being unstable reverted back to a preimpact state. Again this can be shown through ground experiments. Either way what was seen was short lived so a forsenic approach as describe would be a logic approach that can help sort things out. I hope my explaination of the unexplained lines is of help. Whether or not it is what happened or not.
When I was looking for other carbonate examples found in space I found this article. It about potential carbonates found around another star system. Whether the finding are what are concluded it shows that there is a great debate on them going so it is another reason why this carbonate issue has held my interest. Please take a look at it I would be interested on your take on it.
http://www.astrobio.net/news/article290.html
Richard said,
"In a stroke, the scourge of nuclear weapons would be removed from the future of Humankind ....
"Wouldn't THAT alone be worth it?"
No and only if you believe that somehow the even more horrific weapons like boichem weapons will also somehow go away. There is a geo-political rationale which states that as long as nuke weapons exist, the need for bio-chem is lessened. Take nukes away - human nature remains the same - and bio chem will become weapon of national defense. A two-edged sword.
Richard,
Last night on COAST-TO-COAST, Art interviewed a certain "Sir" Charles Smith, who is one of Art's favorite aero-space intellectuals. Interestingly, he also believes that NASA is hording information about Martian fossil discoveries to satisfy religious interests. He said he cannot think of any other reason that RATIONAL people would do such a thing.
The thing that bothers me is that he also said that nothing more than primitive lifeforms (e.g., sand dollars and so forth) had time to evolve on Mars because of the relatively high rate that it's atmosphere leaked away. According to my calculations,if you figure escape velocity by equating particle kinetic energy to total gravitational binding energy and calculate relative escape velocities, that of Earth is slightly more than twice that of Mars (I got 2.226) Now, that combined with the fact that Mars is farther from the Sun and therefore recieves less solar energy and solar winds to "boil" the upper atmosphere, it doesn't seem to make sense that Mar's atmoshpere should have boiled away THAT much faster than Earth's. Have you and Van Flandern modeled this problem at all and considered the various factors that may have affected the loss rate of Mars' atmosphere ?
jasgrave333,
I am not sure I agree with your 555 5 555 theory.
Primarily because I do believe that the Bible (Revelations?) specifically states that no man will know the time of His coming, and that anyone that says they do is a false prophet? or something to that effect.
Based on that, your theory cannot possibly be correct. GAWD says so!
FWIW.
Richard,
Two questions (you may have answered elsewhere and I have either not read or forgoten),
1) Since we keep getting the reports that these comets are either drier than expected or completely dry, where does all the water vapor(?) come from in the ' 'tails'?
2) I seem to remember TVF in addition to the Planet V explosion, claimed that the orbits of the comets predicted multiple origins. Thus, multiple exploding planets at varying points in the very distant past. If that is correct, then it would seem necessary to 'fix' multiple points, unless prior civilizations already fixed them. Could you help me here?
Sorry if I fall into the catagory of 'ignored'. Just trying to respond to some post in aaa helpful way. Since I am not a scientist, nor a numbers person, nor have scripture at my finger tips, I can only look at the items presented through a layman's eyes to see what seems the simpliest explaination or the piece which fits the whole or even an overall pattern, missed by those looking at the trees but not seeing the forest.
So I write my little pieces hoping that Joe Whomever will stumple across them while looking for something else and become intriged and find his way here to join in. Currently quite a few legal firms, state (dot state), and federal (dot us) people turn up on my site for the unique legal briefs on it.
M, Hi
Good story, an insightful picture I felt!
After reading your piece I got two fictional triggers. I was thinking about the movie "Millenium" from 1989 with Kris Kristofferson. The key in this intance was the premise in that clever story of the idea of the occurance of Time Quakes. Something I'll be with a little more to draw a fuller notion in how that theme might tie into HD Physics. Being close to Zep Tapi or End Time in our current context, this may well describe a potential or coming phenomena as you nicely envisioned.
Following that I flashed to the idea of Robert Heinlein's book "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls". I'll have to refresh on it, beyond just that title, but he was renowned for his use of allegory.
Seed ideas? A fictional truth fragment(oops! oxymoron), maybe not, but it was tangable enough, from your good story to persue a consideration. I'll report if it bears fruit.
Cheers
&Omega
Directive
?
|-/
DJBarney
t333,
I heard most of that interview and Sir Shults has done a ton of research on Mars but what he and so many seem to pass over is the fact that it is rapidly becoming apparent that gravity is not necessarily the overriding requirement for holding an atmosphere.
Moons such as Titan and now Enceladus are prime examples.
My quess is that it has something to do with either the moons' EM fields or something we've not yet discovered or are able to measure is at work.
Using that same logic it wouldn't be much of a stretch to see Mars functioning in a similar fashion.
Richard may have more on this or may be able to mow my supposition down with. Mine is simply a guess beased on what I have been reading and drawing my own conclusions.
Note to self -- frikkin' learn how to spell. Apologies for the typos.
SunKing said...
jasgrave333,
I am not sure I agree with your 555 5 555 theory.
Primarily because I do believe that the Bible (Revelations?) specifically states that no man will know the time of His coming, and that anyone that says they do is a false prophet? or so