Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter: Finally ... The People's Eyes on Mars? -- Updated 8/12
Well, this morning was supposed to be the Beginning of a New Mars Era ... the launching of the 2-ton Mars Reconniassance Orbiter (MRO) ... for arrival at the Red Planet in March, 2006.
Armed with (among other crucial instruments) a flying telescope almost half a meter in diameter -- capable of recording images of objects as small as an average desk -- MRO should once and for all confirm the presence of literally millions of artificial objects littering the Martian surface.
If--
NASA and JPL will point the MRO telescope in the appropriate direction ... and then show us what they find.
However, the beginning of this potential political and scientific "breakthrough Mission" is off to a rocky start. According to Spaceflight Now.com:
"1250 GMT (8:50 a.m. EDT)SCRUB! Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will not begin its 310 million mile voyage to the Red Planet today after a sensor problem cropped up during fueling of the Centaur upper stage with liquid hydrogen. The launch team will prepare for another attempt tomorrow, pending resolution of the problem. The window is 7:43 to 9:43 a.m. EDT (1143-1343 GMT). "
So, the next launch attempt for this most technically sophisticated of Mars orbital missions to date -- if not our real political hopes for finally seeing on the surface what we've been following at Enterprise for over 20 years -- will commence again tomorrow ....
Stay tuned.
Addendum
NASA has recycled launch efforts for the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter, after 24 hours attempting to understand a computer/sensor problem which scrubbed yesterday's effort, for a Friday morning launch. Again, according to Spaceflight Now.com:
"0530 GMT (1:30 a.m. EDT)The Lockheed Martin Atlas launch team is counting down this morning in hopes of dispatching Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter from Earth a little more than six hours from now. An official explanation of how yesterday's liquid hydrogen fueling system problem was fixed hasn't been announced. But clocks are ticking down and preparations are well underway at Complex 41 for liftoff of the Atlas 5 rocket at 7:43 a.m. EDT today."
Let me get this straight:
A $720-million-dollar unmanned NASA Mission launch attempt was postponed yesterday morning, because of an unknown "hydrogen fueling problem" ... and is then, mysteriously, resumed precisely 24 hours later ... even though--
"... An official explanation of how yesterday's liquid hydrogen fueling system problem was fixed hasn't been announced ...."
Please, someone check the alignments for this morning's launch -- quick!
"Saturday Night Live" in Space continues ....
Stay tuned.
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240 Comments:
Richard,
Do we really think that NASA/JPL will show us the pictures? Is there any way to make them? I'm hopeful that this will be arriving in 2006, once President Bush is truly a lame duck and maybe, just maybe, he'll decide to go out with a bang and release some amazing pictures...
...or are we in for another "catbox" scenario?
-M&P
Thank you so much for what you do, Richard!
I have several questions about the Discovery flight (thank goodness that they are home!) that I will address later, but I am so glad to have found this forum!
Carry on, Richard!
I suppose the sheep's entrails weren't favorable for a launch today. Bad luck, that.
the old man from scene 24 said...
>I suppose the sheep's entrails weren't favorable for a launch today. Bad luck, that.<
After our YEARS of tracking these little "last-minute problems" -- which just "happen" to resolve themselves when Sirius or Mintaka, or Regulus is 19.5 degrees above or below the horizon -- one can't help thinking that, can one ...? :)
Or, did someone just forget the incense?
Stay tuned.
Richard,
Have you heard any info about the Deep Impact spectral data from the ACM conference in Brazil this week? It looks like there is some info, because I saw that Linda Moulton Howe has something on her site - earthfiles.
She is going to be talking on C2C on Friday about Deep Impact, are you going to be on there too?
Richard,
Just saw this new blog on reload and have been posting in the previous. A suggestion - when you post a new blog, mention it in the older one - you posted this blog at 725 but continued to post in the previous until 804, but us guys who reload to see the latest postings count might miss it, since browsers commonly return to the spot on the page last viewed.
"Or, did someone just forget the incense?"
Perhaps there is a scarcity of the right KIND of incense?
After all the past nonsense and Mars run-arounds, I can hardly hope that we peons will see anything except more of the same, further run-arounds, and obfuscations. Case in point: What have we even seen from the Navy's Clementine hi-res lunar mapping program? Hardly anything last I checked.
Maybe Brown's exposure could start this hiding data stuff to come unraveled - but I'm not counting on it, just hoping.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE THEM HAVE RICHARD HOAGLAND THERE PRESENT DURING SPECIFIED IMAGES TAKEN ALONG WITH THE MEDIA SO NASA CANT HIDE ANYTHING
Ok, not sure about the 19.5 thing here. Why would they delay the launch for that, when they could have just planned the launch for the 19.5 alignment all along? Or maybe they did and the stars moved on them when they werent looking. Or there launch coordinator who really should be the Janitor couldnt find the enter key on his slide rule. :P
"1250 GMT (8:50 a.m. EDT)SCRUB! Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will not begin its 310 million mile voyage to the Red Planet today after a sensor problem cropped up during fueling of the Centaur upper stage with liquid hydrogen..... "
FUEL SENSORS AGAIN! Well, why re-invent the wheel ? If it ain't broke, don't fix it...or rather, if it keeps breaking, don't fix it ? Methinks the little elf workers of the CABAL are busy again !
JPL currently says,
"Thursday's launch of NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter has been postponed due to a fuel level sensor issue with the Centaur upper stage aboard the Atlas V rocket. Launch is currently slated to take place on Friday, Aug. 12. (posted Aug. 11, 6:30 a.m.)"
I have noticed alot of "FUEL" sensor problems as of late. Either they got a bad lot or something screwy is going on.
Richard,
One thing that confuses me. If they are going to launch according to specified ritual alignments, why not just schedule them for that anyways? Those in the MSM are never going to notice the scheduling and those that do notice, already see it. Or, is there something else to the rituals that requires a "false start" each time?
Also, how do we get them to open the pictures up? I really don't want another "catbox" image.
-M&P
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Richard
NASA should know ALL the targets to hit, since they have all the Mars Observer data that was secretly transmitted from Observer to Hubble, right? Any Mars data that has been collected since the "disappearance" of Observer in 93' would be confirmation of what they found and kept from us during that mission. "They" know what is there on Mars and where it is. They just won't EVER tell us.
Perhaps having a problem that necessitates a change in the launch schedule draws ATTENTION to them launch AND the time, keying the ritual aspect of it?
Fuel Sensor....hmmmm.....maybe the message here is that the projected measurements of oil production are wrong, and that Peak Oil is upon us?
the old man from scene 24,
I responded to your last post on the previous blog, you may wish to check there.
Never mnind...brought it fwd cuz I want RCH to see my Question.
he old man from scene 24,
I never received an answer, but a few years back I wrote one of the TEM contributors (a lady, I cannot remember her name, alas) who wrote about the NASA launch times and the 19.5/33*,
I wrote that I was convinced and fascinated, but also wondered if there was ALSO a "built-in" factor of celelstial or orbital mechanics that would be a more "obvious" or scientific explanation.
I'd still like to know the answer to THAT one!
(Not out to burst any bubbles...I'm just not that smart when it comes to orbital mechanics!)
Richard C. Hoagland said...
SunKing said...
>From http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/
>8/9 (9:40am EDT) - Just did a quick calculation and saw that Discovery's mission lasted 333 hours 33 minutes. :)<
That's terrific!
By ALL means: let's check, and recheck that info. If that duration of the Mission is true, it totally confiems a LOT of the discussion -- and political behind-the-scenes agendas -- being followed here .... And, it provides a VERY curious connection to Deep Impact--
IF it's true.
Got to TRIPLE check. :)
Please do confirm, but it DID seem rather significant. Thanks, Richard!
Richard, I just noticed how narrow your blog page is set - 410 pixels - can you widen it out a bit?
#main {
width:410px;
float:left;
It would cerainly take less time to read the blogs since here would be much less scrolling involved for the reader. I don't know, not having a Blogger.com account, but as I recall one merely needs to designate a different style template to achive a wider reading area. Adjustment is automatic I think. Maybe others with accounts can comment if you wish to make your page wider.
I have the ability on the upper right hand corner to expand the screen. But here at work, the sneaky little window works fine!
we are spending resources to place small tetrahedrons on mars at sacred latitudes. this isnt science, its religion.
I just confirmed it. The return to flight mission lasted 333 hours and 32 minutes from the times listed on the nasa website, but if I remember hearing the time of actual touchdown on the radio that morning it was actually 7:12 AM. I also did not have the actual seconds but here's the data I calculated.
07/26/2005 09:39:00 liftoff
08/09/2005 07:11:00 touchdown
1 weeks = 168 hours
6 days = 144 hours
21 hours
32 minutes
0 seconds
for a total of 333 hours and 32 minutes!
Can someone find the actual touchdown time? And the seconds value for liftoff and touchdown.
This is really freaky!
I used the following site to calculate the difference.
http://javascript.internet.com/calculators/date-difference.html
PIF said...
>Richard, I just noticed how narrow your blog page is set - 410 pixels - can you widen it out a bit?
#main {
width:410px;
float:left;
It would cerainly take less time to read the blogs since here would be much less scrolling involved for the reader. I don't know, not having a Blogger.com account, but as I recall one merely needs to designate a different style template to achive a wider reading area. Adjustment is automatic I think. Maybe others with accounts can comment if you wish to make your page wider.<
If you right click on the comments link for each blog and select "Open in New Window" you will get normal window.
Richard,
What will your conclusion if this mission - with all of it's imaging capability, etc. - fails to show any indication of a past civilization on Mars?
I couldn't sem to find out who is handling the photos (like is it Malin??) or JPL or......
Just wondering, I would hope it would make a difference.
Is there ANY conceivable way "we" can intercept the download linkup of data from these probes? I'm sure it's encrypted or some crazy compression algorhythm is used, but there are ALOT of bright people out there and I'm bet Richard has some connections ;)
...
...In effect the same thing ham radio ops did during Apollo.
I have a few spare satellite dishes!
..I'm guessing we'd have to be relatively close to the downlink station (say JPLs parking lot) w/some portable equipment?
another 33...
from http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-bzmoon0811,0,499913.story?coll=ny-homepage-mezz
"It's 100 percent feasible," chief executive Eric Anderson told Newsday. "We spent a long time studying this."
Anderson said it's possible because of Space Adventures' "long-standing agreement" with Russian officials, including RSC Energia, a private rocket and space company.
A Russian Soyuz spacecraft would be used, flown by a Russian. The craft could accommodate two passengers. They would become the first humans to circle the moon in 33 years.
Anderson said the flights would be more than just a way for the wealthy to tour space.
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"They would become the first humans to circle the moon in 33 years." huh, yeah right....
SunKing said...
Richard C. Hoagland said...
SunKing said...
>From http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/
>8/9 (9:40am EDT) - Just did a quick calculation and saw that Discovery's mission lasted 333 hours
>Got to TRIPLE check. :)<
>Please do confirm, but it DID seem rather significant. Thanks, Richard!<
I have confirmed the mission time at exactly 333 hours, 33 minutes. I just posted this in the previous blog but I'll copy it here:
Wow! Discovery mission time confirmed at exactly 333 hours, 33 minutes. I just did the math myself.
From the timeline give here:
http://www.space.com/returntoflight/
We are given:
Launch - July 26th, 10:39AM EDT
Landing - August 9th, 8:12AM EDT
So, Aug 9th is 14 days after July 26th. 14 days x 24 hours/day = 336 hours.
But, the landing (8:12AM) is precisely 2 hours and 27 minutes earlier than the launch (10:39AM), so we subtract this from 336, giving us exactly 333 hours 33 minutes. I estimate the odds of such a numerical alignment occuring by chance at about 1 in 100,000.
Note: This can also be expressed as 13 days, 9 hours, 33 minutes.
Should be interesting, cant spit on the Red Planet with out hitting something bizarre.
I have the new Spirit Rover Pan Cam photos of the large artificial objects on the western horizon up on my blog (Wed Post). The spirit rover has taken a sweeping 360 photo spread with the high resolution camera, this has not happened much since the first month of the mission, hope it is a new policy.
Anyway the sphere with all the structure surrounding it is awesome. And the black cone to its right has a cable-vine like object clinging to its back, very strange!
http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/
Just read on Marsnews.com that the MARSIS radar on the ESA's Mars Express is now officially taking readings and collecting surface and subsurface data. I think the Europeans will be much more forthcoming than our own beloved NASA friends.
Even though MARSIS will produce less resolution, the big picture should tell all we need to know, especially when the Southern hemisphere soundings commencing in December.
" I have the ability on the upper right hand corner to expand the screen. But here at work, the sneaky little window works fine!"
So do I - I was refering to the format of the main page - where richard's blog are posted (the black one with the tiny ugly Trebochet MS 14 type - sorry for the misunderstanding - I thought the style pixel count code would make that clear.
I saw the landing time listed as 5:11:22 PT as per an article on the Yahoo! homepage.
What a delight that they DID choose the third landing time as expressed by Dan Perez and that it worked! Personally I never bothered much with astrology until I came across Louis Turi's website at drturi.com. Empirical data is the key!
Excellent comments all,
Thanks for all your input...
I'm off to Nevis (St Christophers Sister Island) for my wife's Birthday...
Be back real real soon...
A new blog has started (thank you Richard)
So will see all on that blog :)
333
according to the bible;
Jesus was put to Death at
33 years of age
on of course 33AD
h-m-m-m-m :-D
And OMFs24
the Wheel and pi...
Agreed, it could be 'engineered' coincidence, but again, it would still point to an INTELLIGENT initial design engineer, to figure out and Design/make OUR
Physical Universe
Linked interdimensionally,
HyperDimensionality...
It all makes sense :)
J aka 'Brian'
PS Reading the oh_my_god.htm on TEM
and
PPS Read the entire 33 and 19.5 pyramid blog on TEM WOW!!!
Thank u Richard...
I knew a lot of that, but you tidied up the edges A LOT ;)
Rev 5:5 Lion of Judah!
11/8/05 10:54 AM
"I have a few spare satellite dishes!"
Wrong frequency I think. And way to small. Nice thought - here's what you need to know to intercept the signal originating from great off-earth distances:
a) what is the geographical location of the data dump - is it stronger one place than another?
b) anywhere with in that area is where you place your antenna FARM.
c) the antennas must be tuned to the wavelength you wish to receive - any old antenna won't work.
d) you have to know the wavelength of the broadcast.
However that does not help much unless you have the ability to record all the data, and be able to break out the data encrytption - even normal unsecret data is encrypted to compress the signal. You need to be able to boost the signal ->without distorting it<- in order to record it.
Excellent article A Rocket To Nowhere
Excerpt:
In the thirty years since the last Moon flight, we have succeeded in creating a perfectly self-contained manned space program, in which the Shuttle goes up to save the Space Station (undermanned, incomplete, breaking down, filled with garbage, and dropping at a hundred meters per day), and the Space Station offers the Shuttle a mission and a destination. The Columbia accident has added a beautiful finishing symmetry - the Shuttle is now required to fly to the ISS, which will serve as an inspection station for the fragile thermal tiles, and a lifeboat in case something goes seriously wrong.
This closed cycle is so perfect that the last NASA administrator even cancelled the only mission in which there was a compelling need for a manned space flight - the Hubble telescope repair and upgrade - on the grounds that it would be too dangerous to fly the Shuttle away from the ISS, thereby detaching the program from its last connection to reason and leaving it free to float off into its current absurdist theater of backflips, gap fillers, Canadarms and heroic expeditions to the bottom of the spacecraft.
(...)
But NASA dismisses such helpful suggetions as unworthy of its mission of 'exploration', likening critics of manned space flight to those Europeans in the 1500's who would have cancelled the great voyages of discovery rather than face the loss of one more ship.
Of course, the great explorers of the 1500's did not sail endlessly back and forth a hundred miles off the coast of Portugal, nor did they construct a massive artificial island they could repair to if their boat sprang a leak. And we must remember that space is called space for a reason - there is nothing in it, at least not where the Shuttle goes, save for a few fast-moving pieces of junk from the last few times we went up there, forty years ago. The interesting bits in space are all much further away, and we have not paid them a visit since 1972. In fact, despite an ambitious "Vision for Space Exploration", there seems to be no mandate or interest in pursuing this kind of exploration, and all the significant deadlines are pushed comfortably past the tenure of incumbent politicians.
http://www.idlewords.com/2005/08/a_rocket_to_nowhere.htm
jasgrave333, Dude!
I don't mind all of your numeristic postings, but please lay off the carriage returns!
Seeing
your postings
taking up tons
of vertical
real estate
gets annoying
when these threads
hit 500+
entries!
Thanks,
John
PIF said...
'Richard, I just noticed how narrow your blog page is set - 410 pixels - can you widen it out a bit?
#main {
width:410px;'
The width of the parent container, #content (currently set to 660px) would also have to be adjusted here, or the sidebar won't have enough room and will appear underneath the main column due to wrapping.
Since these appear as embedded styles, not in an external stylesheet (which is a really bad idea IMO), the actual template ("Minima Black" by Douglas Bowman?) would probably have to be modified.
I'm not a blogger so I wouldn't know the details of how to modify that.
Deciphering the data isn't so much having a bright guy break the code. It's probably uses some standard compression routines - what you need to do is BUILD or buy the boxs to break it out. You cannot just feed the signal into some PC and expect something to happen - you need complex equipment (boxes) to break out all the different data streams in the compressed signal and send each to the appropriate next box in line which breaks that data out into something usable - that data can go to the PC. Of course since there are many data streams in the signal, you would need to know which one contains the data you want.
Also I do know, but I don't think the signal is dumped to JPL, but received elsewhere and sent to JPL - I could be wrong here. And knowning how that works you won't be able to intercept that either. Tight-line transmissions are designed such that anything - like a bird or your intercepting antenna - which physically intrudes into the signal, shuts down then repeats and continues when the interference is gone. Now if you knew the signals side loops you could theoretically intercept, provided that was not also protected from physical interception.
Dog Star Boy said...
Of course, the great explorers of the 1500's did not sail endlessly back and forth a hundred miles off the coast of Portugal, nor did they construct a massive artificial island they could repair to if their boat sprang a leak.
The great explorers were trying to get to the Far East where known riches from India and China awaited them.
If the Moon were made of gold or petroleum, we'd have a colony of 50,000 there by now, financed by private corporations!
Pif,
Right click on the comments link at the bottom of the blog entry, then maximize the new window that pops up. Except for jasgrave333's entries, most postings flow all the way across the screen.
John
Richard,
Perhaps MRO will reveal the nature of the giant square platform that I uncovered in the early ESA Express Orbiter image of Valles Marineris. I sent you the link to that image some time ago and asked you to look at it.Did you ever get a chance to check it out ? Once you locate it, it is a rather stunning structure. It is visible in a low angle 3-D image and cannot be natural. Let me know if you would like me to send the link again.
unipax said...
>crypto said:Does anyone still believe that underpaid people in uniform "control" Black Ops ? There's only one way to put things right : release Black Ops technology and make it available to the people's space program.
The last Dark Ages ended with the construction of cathedrals. When the people with the gold finally shared the wealth because they found something more valuable than gold : castles, titles and prestige.
Ours will end when we get a REAL space program.
Most Americans generally have one thing in common : an ancestor who heard and read things about the frontier and liked the idea so much, they risked their lives (by leaky boat and then by horse) to get to the frontier. <
Go cryps ! I love it when you talk that way .... :)
>then cryps said:
"Government is the shadow cast by corporations over the people " (Dewey)<
"Sometimes it looks like police are thugs hired to protect corporate intersts". (professor & maryann)
11/8/05 11:21 AM
Richard,
THANKS ever so much!
Hopefully now I will (maybe) stop whining about more effectively sharing the information. I am really pleased to see your choices of pages aboutbasics of your groundbreaking work on egypt/ritual etc. GREAT.
aloha, c
iontru, thanks for initiating it !
aloha, c
In case anybody missed it, here it is;
IonTruO2 said...
Richard, Hello
>I returned to this line of your Blog Post where you said: which had Sirius on the eastern horizon if Discovery landed at Edwards ...)
Being serious(lol), is there more story to describe their alignment preference with Sirius on the horizon?<
Richard C. Hoagland said...
Yes -- start here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/kennedy1.html
Then, you might look at:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/oh_my_god.htm
And, finally [well, not really ... but you'll have the point by now :) }:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm
This latter link is an entire "Table of Ritual Coincidence" that Mike Bara and I assembled some years ago, indicating a LOT of these strange "NASA Ritual" and other Historical Activities.
Note the relationship of "Sirius" to the ruins at "Cydonia" ....
This should keep you busy for a while. :)
11/8/05 6:07 AM
pif,
just shootin' from the hip man,..
kinda figured my old dish-network antenna is a tad insufficient for receiving data directly from Mars... I was under the impression the signals were relayed to earth orbit (via the deep space network?)where they were then amplified and beamed down to JPL, station X, Mike Malin's bat-cave, or wherever, for final decryption and analysis.
Maybe the VLA in New Mexico can lend us some time, no? :)
'sees too many coincidences'
you guys questioning the incidence of the numbers and questioning the ritual stuff please refer to my previous post.
also, check this page (another good starting point on the numbers);
www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
aloha, c
John said...
"hit 500+
entries!
Thanks,
John
11/8/05 11:43 AM"
Trying John
Do we want the Chicken or the Egg?
meaning, 500+ posts, came from 10+ people, adding my 333 posts to the blog would of course make it longer...
John the Carriage returns are there
for the insightful...
IN other words, people READING BETWEEN THE LINES will catch my drift
The FACTS are present, the space represents what I would like to add to it...
...however that is often called RANTING :))
...So the space, represents the significance of the DATA in alignment (Like that :)
Facts delivered, in small digestable pices, will definately help with the Edietic memory ;)
Keep up the blogging, I'll keep up the input, and please scroll
Past
All
My
Carriage
Returns
in the knowledge, that KNOWLEDGE will open all our EYES to the fact that we are very very close to something HUGE!
J aka 'Brian'
PS For 'MORE' insight, look at Richards oh_my_god.htm blog...
WOWWOWOW...
iontru,
your email addy did not work again.
aloha, c
>If the Moon were made of gold or petroleum, we'd have a colony of 50,000 there by now, financed by private corporations!<
Who says we don't...
;)
Blogger does have some templates and links to others with more. But the problem with the main page is the margins are set too wide for lengthy text and images. There are specific direction on the Help page for blogers to modify the value for the margine s very simply change the margine value to something less, save and repost.
These are the values to modify to get greater text width. Simple to do, but Richard may not have the time - even 5 minutes to spare. But it would be nice. Blogger.com->Help (at page bottom) ->Working with Bloger->Temlates-> chose modification desired directions from list.
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gerald t,
great work, thanx.
re your:
'Fri, Aug 05, spirit R haz cam sol 517'
the displaced soil from the round hole is ON TOP OF spirit's track !
it looks like the gopher (miner?)dug otta his hole AFTER spirit rumbled over him and woke him up!
anyone interested, here;
http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/
alolha, c
unipax, star, do you have a link to the picture of the little critter they found up there on MARS?
I saw a flash of it (the creature, Like a little squat looking human)
Can you paste the link or email it to me? jasgrave333@hotmail.com
Thanks thar ol' prospector, Excellent Blog too :-D
Like that a lot, and it's in my favourite list too now :)
J aka 'Brian'
Richard,
Speaking of Mars … a ‘ha ha ho ho’ article in 8-10-05 Guardian mentions you and the Face:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/farout/story/0,,1546181,00.html
“….image was singled out by Vince DiPietro and Greg Molenaar, who cleaned it up and represented it to the world a few years later, this time with the addition of a large pyramid. Their find drew the attention of sometime Nasa consultant Richard Hoagland, who identified more anomalies in the region, including walls, a "fort", several smaller pyramids and something resembling the manmade mound Silbury Hill. Through some fantastical over-interpretation by zealous mytho-archaeologists, the Cydonian structures were soon being connected to human sacred sites at Avebury in Wiltshire, and the pyramids and sphinx at Giza, Egypt…”
There is invitation to respond at base of story by email to
life@guardian.co.uk and include your name and address.
room322.com
jas,
nope, sorry, only above link to gerald's site
aloha, c
"Maybe the VLA in New Mexico can lend us some time, no? :)"
Well are you heading up the fundraising to buy the time? :)
Again my blog code comments are for the main page, not this post-it-note page.
I used to have a life long ago... sigh
Richard:
Have you seen this one?
http://worldjumpday.org/
The HELL?!
Is this thing for real?
jas,
maybe this is it, in lower keft of photo:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/32/6080/1024/%2819%2970.jpg
unipax said...
jas,
nope, sorry, only above link to gerald's site
aloha, c
Thanks though...
It was grrrr8888 though,
CNN flashed up the critter as the presenter was introducing the subject of the 'possibility' (even they are having problems with the wording now hi hi hi) of finding 'INTELLIGENT LIFE'
Not life any more mind, nope it's now, INTELLIGENT LIFE!
So we know life exits on Mar's
A picture 'MATCHING' the shaddow in Richards Face on Mar's blog, shows the shaddow of a critter, and it's the same shape as the picture on CNN
I was intriged, if RCH himself had walked onto the CNN set the next moment, I would not have been surprised!
Next installment this coming Suday on CNN I think
Sheesh, we are now searching for 'INTELLIGENT LIFE'
Come on NASA, just admit, we got Anscestors, your Top Elite whoever, is running tings with Tarrot cards :))
This ELITE NASA FREEMASON has a laptop and a OUIJI board
Can we trust those types of people?
That ancient old book the bible tells us NOPE...
OK more rosebeads anyone?
oh lord...
J aka 'Brian'
PIF said...
'Blogger does have some templates and links to others with more. But the problem with the main page is the margins are set too wide for lengthy text and images. There are specific direction on the Help page for blogers to modify the value for the margine s very simply change the margine value to something less, save and repost.'
I'd add 100px to both #main and #content's widths.
The other thing that sucks (IMHO) is all the wasted space underneath the sidebar, since it only occupies a tiny percentage of the page height.
Personally if I were going to design this, I'd just have the sidebar floating, not the main column. Then the main column (which could then be set to 100% width of the parent #content div) would be free to wrap underneath the sidebar and take up the whole page width. In order for this to work though, the sidebar would also have come before the main column in the source code, it's currently after.
Life on Mars
Mark Pilkington
Thursday August 11, 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/farout/story/0,,1546181,00.html
As you can see he is one of the media elite and knows what's going on - :) or (: depending how you like his 'anaylsis'. Wonder if he thinks the whole of the Apollo lunar landings and shuttle missions are equally fake?
"...fantastical over-interpretation by zealous mytho-archaeologist, ...diehards protested that Nasa's secret space fleet had nuked the real face to prevent its exposure, ...exo-explorers, Arthur C Clarke included, who have added colossal sand worms, beetles, numerous fossils and swaths of vegetation..."
You get the drift - if you don't agree with the mainstream elite, then you are an obvious and obnoxious nut case or writer of sci-fi. If you do agree, then go back to sleep, nothing here, and what's on tv, etc.
the last line says:
"What did you think of this article? Mail your responses to life@guardian.co.uk and include your name and address."
why cant we set up a reciever to catch the signals sent back by the Mars Reconniassance Orbiter and decode the pictures directly.
does anyone know how good the encription that they use is ?
Adam,
see previous posts above on the subject of signals interception.
Richard,
Have you ever given any thought to podcasting? It could be another revenue stream. You could simpily set up a subscription service like your forum and any of us could subscribe, download the 'cast and listen at any time. I for one cannot get CTC where I live now, and others might have the same problem. These could also be 'cast as could your numerous lectures and interviews. You don't need an iPod to do 'casting. If anything currently available is to superceed blogs or compliment them, then it's podcasting. In cse you don't know, podcaasting can include any content which can be mpej4 encoded.
You could have a sort of deal where a subscriber gets a package for forum access and podcasting for a fee. Run it by you guys.
http://worldjumpday.org/
I just pissed myself laughing!!!
Mil Intel has its ways ... but has it occurred to anyone that NASA also has its ways of getting its message out via Coast to Coast with George Noory ?
I hope the very astute Earth Files lady, Linda Moulton Howe, will question THAT pattern. The source of her good fortune : why dirty snowball theorists appear to be falling from the sky and into her lap.
Withholding data gives "NASA insiders" a chance to execute a media campaign - and they appear to have been waiting for that chance.
I am remote viewing a parade of the "insiders" taking to the airwaves.
Considering that Coast to Coast is the 'most listened to late night talk show', getting to those listeners without having to face RCH has to be a problem.
A problem they appear to have solved by going through General Science channels, rather than face people who might not be so willing to ... suspend disbelief about the dirty snowball.
I hope Linda asks this insider (or the next one) "Sooooo, why Earth Files ?"
>PIF said...
Case in point: What have we even seen from the Navy's Clementine hi-res lunar mapping program? Hardly anything last I checked.<
Check out this page for some amazingly obvious tampering of the Clementine images...
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-directories/7-moon/moon-directory.htm
Check these articles out:
Make space travel worth dying for
By Susan A. Nielsen
August 11, 2005
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050811/news_lz1e11nielsen.html
Chinese could hold NASA's fortunes
James P. Pinkerton
August 11, 2005
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-oppin114378715aug11,0,106865.column?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines
adam said...
why cant we set up a reciever to catch the signals sent back by the Mars Reconniassance Orbiter and decode the pictures directly.
does anyone know how good the encription that they use is ?
11/8/05 12:52 PM
I have been out of the communications electronics end of things for a little while now, but the task you would be facing is decoding something like VITERBI code, modulated with one or more interleaving functions to further reduce probability of error. I suspect it is even more complicated now.They will use every possible or impossible scheme to try and extract an extra 0.1 dB of sensitivity. I have heard stories of ENCODING hardware and software being built into a spacecraft, the spacecraft launched, and the DECODING algorithms designed AFTERWARDS! If a specific instance of that found it's way to this website, it would probably be sufficiently hair raising so as to provide BLOG food for a month ! If you have a lifetime to spare for this effort, please be my guest !
This is for anyone following 'THE NUMBERS'
The following URL gives the DAILY coincidence with NEW's MEDIA for the current MEDIA Favourite numbers, i.e. 333 555 777 etc...
You might find it useful?
Just passing on da toolz 2 help u get da job dunn!
it's a good daily view of the CRONIES in action...
>:)
http://news.google.com.ag/news?ned=:ePkh8BM9E2IF2mHACaIygJSMlkRJUX5BZnJijkJxSX5R
rkJGaVERkJuXClGUB6T4tXj9HIMdFUpScwtScxQMQeJJQHERLSGloMzkjMSiFAWP_MT0nMS8FCWQZAlI
rxazsbExiJdqwAjhqYJ4uRA5U1NTEK8YImdubi4kpSWRmptalJ6al1ypADIqMy9dIS0nMz2jBKTEzMxM
iAHEsDQ0hAUAAGq1LNQ
ok a string of URL's tings, but mi tinks, some of u will like it ;)
J aka 'Brian'
Dave, thanks!
Going to marsanomalyresearch and clicking top link brings up this interesting comment - among others - no doubt if the Navy could do use these technics years ago, NASA/JPL must use something simular on their images.
"As I've stated in my previous #070 report, I suspect one of the purposes of this choice of orbital path was to match the orientation of the true ground based band evidence they already knew was there. Why?
"Because they knew that, while any automated computerized image tampering obfuscation tactics they would use would be largely effective, they would not be perfect and the overall band patterns would still be visible printing through the mapping tampering applications as the map aspect of the tampering software maps and conforms to their elevated shapes and an explanation would have to be ready and waiting for that. It is anticipated that their explanation would be that these are digital camera imaging artifact lines where the many digital individual images are joined together in a mosaic to form a long south to north pole oriented strip and these long strips would then be joined together and these "lines" would be the unfortunate result.
"However, with clarity enhancement to partially defeat the official fuzzy quality as part of the obfuscation tactic of the official imaging as released, you can clearly see that this is not really the case. Once there is a better less occluded view as seen here, you can clearly see the individual differences between the bands. Also, note that it is only every other band that is solid appearing with a light reflective color while every other band in between is a darker color with an open network appearance of short parallel straight and right angle lines. It is quite obvious that these close and uniformly spaced bands are ground based phenomena and not even remotely to be confused with digital imaging artifacts."
On the recommended reading list. IMHO
Here's a thought on intecept - one of you young whipper-snapper guys get a job at JPL and place some sort of bug on their PCs - just as likely (and maybe far easier and certainly quicker) as trying to recieve, and decode MRO or any other off-earth transmition.
Seriously, though, is such a thing as altering the Earth's orbit by having millions of people jump at once even scientifically plausible? I'm no scientist, but this looks like a hoax to me. Input please?
Pif,
Entirely MY confusion re: the display size. Not your fault at all.
I told ya I waddn't dat smart!
Brian C,
The 13/9/33 thing was a wowser, in it's own right!
>crypto said: I hope Linda asks this insider (or the next one) "Sooooo, why Earth Files ?" <
Go cryps !
aloha, g
I think the author of that article needs to pull his head out of the sand and stop believing everything the government tells him.
After reading that article I went back to look at some of the Cydonia images. There is something I have been wondering about on the large image that is a composite of several different passes over the area (I can't remember what the name of it was). There is an area well south (or at least down on the picture) of the face where there are three circles the same size and equally spaced. They appear to be lower than the surrounding terrain. Is it possible this could be a passage leading to the irrigation system? Or perhaps some form of subway or whatever the glass tubes turn out to be? Just something that has bugged me ever since I looked at that picture.
A little strong perhaps, but I have, emailed these people before and NOT gotten a reply:
From: Graves, Jason
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:19 PM
To: 'life@guardian.co.uk'
Subject: Question? regarding your coverage of the following:
Richard C. Hoagland
Your Journalist MARK PILKINGTON
Is quoted as saying:
"...fantastical over-interpretation by zealous mytho-archaeologist, ...diehards protested that Nasa's secret space fleet had nuked the real face to prevent its exposure, ...exo-explorers, Arthur C Clarke included, who have added colossal sand worms, beetles, numerous fossils and swaths of vegetation..."
Do you guys READ?
Are any of you interested in Armageddon and it's date?
www.enterprisemission.com
And my own theory of the date of ARMAGEDDON (DEC 10th 2005)
is here: http://jasgrave333.blogspot.com
I'd like to hear back from Mark Pilkington, to hear what he says about my theory?
I guess like all these FREEMASON RUN institutions, you guys will ignore me
I'm here waiting, I'll still be here, when Dec 10th 2005 reaches...
Jason Graves
Senior Network Engineer
Ross University School of Veterinary Medicine
PO Box 334
Basseterre, St. Kitts
West Indies
Tel: +1 869 465 4161 ext 123
Cell: +1 869 663 1740
email: jgraves@rossvet.edu.kn
http://www.employees.org/~jasgrave/careerandpersonalfiles.htm
and
http://hometown.aol.com/jasandcandi/index.html
latter_days_aint said...
Seriously, though, is such a thing as altering the Earth's orbit by having millions of people jump at once even scientifically plausible? I'm no scientist, but this looks like a hoax to me. Input please?
11/8/05 1:29 PM
LTHTT
Great, awesome.
All,
Last I checked, NASA uses NSA approved sattelite encryption schemes. Generally, these are very robust and require you to have the keys (symetric vs. asymetric encryption). The keys will exist on the spacecraft, and at the final image destination (probably JPL). No one in between will be decrypting the data without those keys, and using the best commercial supercomputers cracking those keys would take centuries.
American's have got to make them tell us what they see, after all, the taxpayer pays for it.
-M&P
Garold said...
I think the author of that article...
Which article? many are referenced.
PS if anyone is a fan of PIXAR (a little TINY bit of topic)
I'm re-watching Toy story 2 has some interesting Allusions;
I mean in the Symbolism, and if you look at the SPACE and BUZZ Lightyear association
Those COMPUTER GENERATED GRAPHICAL cartoon are well thought out and designed, as NONE of that stuff is actually 'FILMED'
SO
every reference you see in there, Five pointed stars everywhere, book names, titles on products, has an Interesting PARALLEL to
NASA current predicament...
Good V Evil
And LOADS more!!!
Hmmmmmm
Just blogging/thinking out loud...
call it blinking if you want...
J aka 'Brian'
I apologize for being vague. It was this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/farout/story/0,,1546181,00.html
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/millenn15.jpg
It looks a little like the word "zeta" in lowercase to me...
Input puttin - lets see 6 billion odd people jump 1' 3" or so off the ground at once - well according to that logic the earth should become so light as to float away. Or when they land at once, does that equal a VocanicExplosiveIndex of 1? .00001 more like it. If any such act would in anyway effect the Earth, then we'd be shooting all over the solar system when the VEI was 1-8, at 9 (supervolcano territory) we'd be tourning the galaxy... at 14 we'd be forming our own galaxy :)
Refenence datum:
Origin Unknown 1259AD = 14
Mount Tambora 1815AD = 7
Krakatau 1883AD = 6
Novarupta 1912AD = 6
Mt St Helens 1980AD VEI = 5
Pinatubo 1991 = 6
if you listened carefully to the launch countdown, you could hear the reason for the scrub was yet another software glitch. at the end of coverage from atlas control on nasa-tv the nasa launch manager explained the anomoly as a fault condition on computers during fueling of the centaur stage. the problem was identified as a software problem reading fuel sensors as dry when other instrumentation monitors showed a wet condition, not an actual sensor failure and controllers were attempting to overide the computers to continue the fueling process manually when additional software said "sorry, i will not allow you to do that." perhaps these glitches spring from deep within the intel or microsoft components, but more likely reside with nasa software engineers, who seemingly find a patch around these glitches in time for the next launch attempt. this would not be happening if launch sensors and telemetry was being read manually by humans on analog instruments and monitors, (like in the good old days) and not by software that can fail no matter how many times its tested in advance. 3-2-1, ignition, liftoff! afterall, it's not rocket science ......... oh wait,
If someone wants to study the pentagram and its implications, look to the island of Bornholm. Bornholm is one of the points on the triangle of Christendom, along with Rennes-le-Chateau and Jerusalem.
Good versus evil. Those are western terms, not terms Yeshua would have been familiar with. Try ripe versus unripe. It's all about timing (which is related to rotation).
Just a correction - Intel makes hardware - chips and circuit components - M$ makes software. The componets in question do not run on PC operating systems - usually its some embedded command set. But how do you know it was Intel? - there are many many other componet manufactures. The componet apparently read dry when it should have read wet. I think it is the same exact one used in shuttle launches. Sounds like - if it isn't a plot - a quality control issue.
I almost find it hard to believe that this bit with the fuel sensors
wasn't nailed down long ago. In light of the Discovery ruckus with sensors, you would have thought that someone in management would have said "OK fella...let's make damn sure we don't have a fuel sensor clusterfuck on this Orbiter launch"! I mean...think about it. If we have a problem here at the hospital going live with a system, you can damn well bet it will be on the To Do list for the next one! And the same CF better NOT happen again!!
So wazzup with these clowns?
> Garold said...
I think the author of that article needs to pull his head out of the sand and stop believing everything the government tells him.
After reading that article I went back to look at some of the Cydonia images. There is something I have been wondering about on the large image that is a composite of several different passes over the area (I can't remember what the name of it was). There is an area well south (or at least down on the picture) of the face where there are three circles the same size and equally spaced. They appear to be lower than the surrounding terrain. Is it possible this could be a passage leading to the irrigation system? Or perhaps some form of subway or whatever the glass tubes turn out to be? Just something that has bugged me ever since I looked at that picture.
11/8/05 1:40 PM<
Don't worry, it could be everything until we don't go and see for ourselves. That is what we have to do, in the end.
"Good versus evil. Those are western terms, not terms Yeshua would have been familiar with"
Huh!!??? Perhaps Jesus/Yeshua failed to read his Torah and the whole thing is a colosial Roman disinformation campaign? I suppose that was a picnic lunch Jesus had with Satan out there in the desert - a business lunch perhaps? A blind date that went horribly wrong?
OR maybe you missed those western terms used repeatedly through out the Torah and the christian Bible, not to mention Aquinas et al?
My attitude is showing ...
>latter_days_aint said...
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/millenn15.jpg
It looks a little like the word "zeta" in lowercase to me...<
It looks like
MM
that means 2,000 in old latin
(italian anyone?)
COuld it have been a family reunion, Pif? 2 brothers getting together? mmmmmmmmmmm?
Definitely not brothers - Jesus already had a passel of them - distant cousin perhaps? What happened to your face it looks like someone stuck a starfish over it? Is it painful? :)
I don't believe NASA will ever conclude anything photographed on Mars is an intelligently created structure. Have you EVER heard NASA even hint at such a thing? No, because they are afraid of it. Under the Space Act, they may not be legally able to release such information anyways.
Were just screwed when it comes to NASA. My only hope is that the openness of the internet has and will continue to shed some light on their true findings.
PIF:
the references to intel and microsoft were meant as general terms denoting whatever computer hardware and operating systems they may be using. the point being that neither is probably at the root problem, but rather the sw written to read data from launch vehicles is flawed, inadequate, both or more. its always easy to blame the computers for system failures and regard sw glitches as routine rather than find causes that reside among the engineering teams personnel.
Sunking:
the fuel sensors did not fail and most likely are not flawed in any way. the failure was with computers running the automatic fueling sequence. monitors independent from these computers were reading true conditions in the tanks, but a faulty reading by the computer shut down the process. they were proceeding to load fuel and launch but were prevented by software that would not allow them to go manual and launch without the computer. you would think they should know that they would fail to overide the automatic sequence, unless that too was another surprise or glitch.
Hey guys... just mined the MRO site really quick for some fun...
bet you number guys can find more!!! ;}
The launch period--the time period in which the orbiter can launch--is
approximately three weeks in duration (August 10 - 30, 2005). Throughout
the entire launch period, the mission will have at least 30-minute daily
launch windows
5.5 yr mission is 66 months
orbit insertion 03 06 march 2006 at 300km alt at 3km/s
has 6 main engines
is occluded by mars for approx 30 minutes during capture orbit
aerobraking and systems check for 6 months
Aerobraking occurs in 3 primary phases
When aerobraking is complete, the orbiter will perform 3
small orbit trim maneuvers (OTMs) to place itself in the primary science orbit.
Science operations cannot begin until after solar conjunction,
when the sun comes between Earth and Mars and communications are
limited by solar interference. During that time the orbiter will
remain in a safe and quiet operational mode. Lasts through solar
conjunction, which occurs between October 7 and November 8, 2006
(33 days anyone?)
The primary science phase lasts for at least one Mars year
(about two Earth years), beginning after the end of solar
conjunction in November, 2006 and ending with the start of
solar conjunction in November, 2008.
(.... 2+1=3)
During this phase, conducting science observations will be more
complex than in previous Mars missions, because Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter must coordinate 3 basic observation goals:
* Daily global mapping and profiling
* Regional surveys
* Globally distributed targeting of hundreds of specific sites
For science operations, the orbiter will be in a 255 x 320 kilometer
(160 mile x 200 mile) near-polar orbit around Mars..... (160+200=360)
The orbit will also be "sun-synchronous," which means it will twist
around Mars at the same rate that Mars moves around the Sun. That means
that every time the orbiter crosses the sun-lit side of Mars from South
to North, the ground below will always be at the same time of day--
3 o'clock in the martian afternoon (when over the equator)
The spacecraft will complete 12 orbits per day...(12/4th planet=3rd planet?) As the spacecraft
passes over the martian surface with each orbit, the swath of ground
covered directly below is known as the ground track. After 359 days of
orbits, the ground tracks cover the surface of Mars in a fine pattern with
less than 5 kilometers (3 miles) separation between them.
jasgrave333 said...
>Keep up the blogging, I'll keep up the input, and please scroll
> Past
> All
> My
> Carriage
> Returns
> in the knowledge, that KNOWLEDGE will open all our EYES to the fact that we are very very close to something HUGE!
> J aka 'Brian'
Brian,
As this is not your blog, please show some respect for the rest of us that use this space as well. As I said, I have no objections to your postings, just to your selfish method of taking up as much space as you can.
Please stop double spacing every three words. Pretty please?
John
Osiris,
No offense, but I have to agree with pif on the good/evil issue. Besides the fact that an absence of a concept of good and evil on Yeshua/Jesus' part would mean he would have never bothered to do the works that he did in the first place (not to mention the invalidation of the entire concept of messiahship/redemption, which the ancient Hebrews, I'm pretty sure, took stock in), even from a purely secular/scientific/materialist/Darwinian/whatever standpoint, a sentience (esp. one with the capacity for pain) is more than just a lump of vegetable matter. Surely a culture as advanced as the Egyptians were familiar with the Gestalt concept?
Anyway... anybody here ever notice how much the Intel Inside logo looks like the Zoloft "happy little rock" in reverse?
No?
Must be the Paxil doing the thinking... Maybe Tom Cruise is right after all. Hell, I'll stop taking it if it means I can score a Katie Holmes! :)
Anyway... anybody here ever notice how much the Intel Inside logo looks like the Zoloft "happy little rock" in reverse? Must be the Paxil doing the thinking
Humm... all those drugs... beter keep that info under your hat, lest we begin to wonder at your postings...
John, I hear you too,
I express myself in 3 carriage returns
Express yourself how you want to
I dont mind
Just SCROLL down?
Is that so hard?
To illustrate, I always get the 'FOR SALE' emails.
I hear people complaining like crazy about that...
Why?
Delete filter or scroll!
John, if you dont like the way I'm Xpressing myself...
MAYBE ITS THE MESSAGE U DONT LIKE?
I'll carry on bloggin you carry on too and SCROLL DOWN PRETTY PLEASE???
333 times if you have too
J aka 'Brian'
Same to 'Enterprise Luker'
too,
And yes I respect everyone here!
Seeing as I dont know you or even know if you are not RELATED in any way to the CABAL the message also applies above directly to you
666 times pretty please???
J aka 'Brian'
not to be a prick but....on topic anyone... ???
I smell the stench of thread degeneration
I understand from reading at the MRO site that this craft is going to be a relay station for future missions, because of it's high power, high bandwidth communications platform.
It seems to to follow that if this mission "screws the pooch" in any way,ALL of Mars exploration will be impacted for decades ? Does this make it a particular potential target for the CABAL ?
saucerfreak2012 said...
not to be a prick but....on topic anyone... ???
I smell the stench of thread degeneration
11/8/05 3:45 PM
Post a Comment
Saucer Freak, yep, strange that all these NEW people would start CRITIZING the expressions and have a hard time reading PEOPLES BLOGS
HOWEVER THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS
are about MY Contributions being toooo longg
or that I smoke weed
NOT ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT HAND?!?!
Stick to it, scroll down, delete or I dont know ignore me...
I wont pick on your POSITIVE input, but negative input just gets me incensed
Back to the topic, so we have confirmed that this mission was 333hours and 33 minutes in length...
It was 13 days in space
7 Crew (can not spell that Astro name)
replacing a 600 lb Gyroscope
$333,333,333 on the Tempel 1 mission
this is not Conicidence, we have gone long beyond that...
What's to do next?
Email? Create noise? Poll every official we can get in contact with?
Richard, what's coming next?
J aka 'Brian'
Staying stuned ;)
Actually, I used to be a Prozac man, but it just wasn't getting the job done anymore, so I decided to give Paxil a shot. Went OK for a while till my brain exploded then rewired itself. Zoloft is actually my wife's drug of choice but I'm sure I'll have jumped on that merry-go-round at least once before this whole thing is over. Kicked around the idea of natural stuff for a while... maybe Omega 3... though the name gives me pause (Think about it). Plus, our beloved Commander-in-Chief is reported to partake of said fatty acid. And look how he turned out. I really don't care to become the next Antichrist.
Really, I'm fine. My next appointment with Dr. Daniels will be an all-weekend session. :)
I didn't go off topic too badly here, did I?
Mars is pretty.
There are two more mars missions planned - one next year and another 2 years later - I think
So if MRO 'disappears' then there's still more to come. I'm interested in seeing returns from the shallow subsurface radar - remember those image enhancements Richard did on Cydonia and the outlines beneath? - these might show up real well - I think.
templemaster333 said...
>Richard,
Perhaps MRO will reveal the nature of the giant square platform that I uncovered in the early ESA Express Orbiter image of Valles Marineris. I sent you the link to that image some time ago and asked you to look at it.Did you ever get a chance to check it out ? Once you locate it, it is a rather stunning structure. It is visible in a low angle 3-D image and cannot be natural. Let me know if you would like me to send the link again.<
That was an interesting find. If it helps, here's a cropped down copy of that image with the object blown up (no filters or effects applied):
http://www.nationalmotto.org/esa-MediaReleaseHRSC_FINAL_cropped.jpg
"Really, I'm fine."
OK! Thanks for clearing that up!
"I didn't go off topic too badly here, did I?"
No. No far and look! You got right back on topic! What a recovery!
"Mars is pretty."
Good thing the adults are elsewhere at present... :)
jasgrave333, brian, or whoever you are,
I do scroll down past your posts. That's the problem. I have to scroll down three screen's worth of your one post to get to posts that are on topic. I do find your numeristic postings interesting, I just don't find the way you hog attention to be very courteous to the rest of us.
Blog away, and by all means use as many carriage returns as you wish on your own blog, but for one last time (ooh, three times in all!) please stop posting in such an obnoxious manner. I have been polite and respectful to you, but you are ruining a good thing that Mr. Hoagland has started.
John
Raised Eyebrow
I cant resist - hold me back! or is that a blurred image of a woman in 1880s bussle style lowcut dress wearing sunglasses to the right?
Enterprise Lurker said...
jasgrave333, brian, or whoever you are,
I do scroll down past your posts. That's the problem. I have to scroll down three screen's worth of your one post to get to posts that are on topic. I do find your numeristic postings interesting, I just don't find the way you hog attention to be very courteous to the rest of us.
I find your POSTS BORING!!!
U dont hear me complaining
YOUR POSTS SUCK!!!
OK There I said it...
Show me YOUR WONDERFUL BLOG
JOHN OR LURKER OR ?
Jason Graves aka Abaddon
Now I'm curious about other mission specs....
These are all supposed missions I've found...
1992 September 25, Titan IIIe-TOS
Mars Observer (Nasa): Reached Mars on August 21, 1993, and sent some TV images on approach. Contact was lost during its orbit insertion ignition; it may have been damaged, blewn up, or simply frozen after having lost orientation.
1996 November 7, Delta II, currently operating in Mars orbit.
Mars Global Surveyor (Nasa): Mars orbiter, launched from KSC, Cape Canaveral. Reached Mars and successfully entered Mars orbit on September 11, 1997. Uses aerobraking for achieving the low Mars orbit required for the intended orbital investigations of the Red Planet, which began in early 1998. Since, the spacecraft is still providing numerous high-resolution images and valuable data of the Martian surface and atmosphere
1996 November 16, D1-e
Mars 96 (Russia): intended Mars orbiter with 4 landers and 2 penetrators; experiments from 22 countries. Failed to leave Earth orbit, and decayed soon after liftoff.
1996 December 4, Delta II
Mars Pathfinder (Nasa); renamed Carl Sagan Memorial Station after landing: Mars lander with Sojourner rover. Launched from KSC, Cape Canaveral; softlanded on Mars on July 4, 1997, in direct approach, in Ares Valley, at 19.5 d N, 32.8 d W. Sojourner was released to the Martian surface on July 6, and performed investigations of Martian soil and rocks around MPF. Both spacecraft operated extremely successful until the last data transmission on September 27, 1997, and after a last signal received on October 7, 1997, contact was lost, perhaps because of battery failure partially due to falling temperatures at the landing site
1998 July 4, M-V
Nozomi (Hope), formerly Planet-B (Japan). Intended orbiter to study Mars' upper atmosphere. After two Lunar and one Earth swingby manouvers, the craft was originally scheduled to arrive at Mars on October 11, 1999. Unfortunately, due to a problem with its propulsion system, the spacecraft got "insufficient acceleration." A new orbit was calculated, and after two more Earth swingbys and a delay of more than 4 years, arrived in the neighborhood of Mars with a re-scheduled orbital insertion on December 14, 2003. Unfortunately, a correction maneuver on December 9, 2003 failed so that the mission had to be abandoned; after a flyby of Mars at 860 km on December 14, 2003, Nozomi remains in an interplanetary Solar orbit.
2001 April 7, Delta II, currently operating in Mars orbit.
2001 Mars Odyssey, Mars Surveyor 2001 Orbiter (Nasa). Mars orbiter. After an over 6 month interplanetary cruise, the spacecraft arrived at Mars and was successfully inserted into Mars orbit on October 24, 2001 (UT; see Mars Orbit Insertion (MOI) information). This mission is to perform the research originally scheduled for the lost Mars Climate Orbiter (Mars Surveyor 1998 Orbiter), i.e., Mars wheather and climate. It is also intended to test aerocapture techniques, study Mars from orbit, serve as communications relay for future landers
2003 June 2, Soyuz-Fregat, currently operating in Mars orbit. Beagle-2 lander on Mars with state unknown.
Mars Express (ESA), Orbiter and Lander. Mars Express orbiter was successfully inserted into the Martian orbit on December 25, 2003. The Beagle 2 lander was successfully separated on December 19, and reached Mars in direct approach on December 25, 2003. Unfortunately, the lander could not be contacted after landing despite intensive efforts for several weeks to establish communication or clear up the lander's state. The Mars Express orbiter started its scientific mission and is busily taking photographs and data from its orbit around Mars
2003 June 10, Delta 2 (7425), currently operating on the surface of Mars.
Spirit, 2003 Mars Exploration Rover 2, MER-2, MER-A, Mars Surveyor 2003 Lander/Rover A (Nasa). First of two sister spacecraft (the other is Mars Exploration Rover B, Opportunity). A large (~130 kg) rover based on the Athena Rover concept, to land using an airbag system, without stationary lander. Successful softlanding occurred on January 4, 2004, 4:35 UT (January 3, 8:35 p.m. PST) in Gusev crater on Mars. The lander is currently investigating the landing site region, intended for at least 90 days
2003 July 7, Delta 2 (7425), currently operating on the surface of Mars.
Opportunity, 2003 Mars Exploration Rover 1, MER-1, MER-B, Mars Surveyor 2003 Lander/Rover B (Nasa). Second of two sister spacecraft (the other is Mars Exploration Rover A, Spirit). A large (~130 kg) rover based on the Athena Rover concept, to land using an airbag system, without stationary lander. Successful softlanding occurred on January 25, 2004, 5:05 UT (January 24, 9:05 p.m. PST) in the Meridiani Terra region on Mars. The lander is corrently investigating the landing site region; operations are scheduled to last for at least 90 days
March 2, 2004, Ariane V
Rosetta (ESA). Was scheduled for launch in January 2003, as Mars/asteroid/comet mission, will flyby Mars for gravity assist on August 26, 2005, to finally reach and land on Comet 46 P/Wirtanen in 2011.
Now, Rosetta was successfully launched on March 2, 2004. After 3 Earth gravity assists in March 2005, November 2007 and November 2009 and a flyby of Mars in March 2007, as well as several asteroids, will reach Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko in May 2014 and besides a variety of scientific investigation, deliver a lander in November 2014
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Missions scheduled for the future:
2005 August 10, Atlas V
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, Mars Surveyor 2005 Orbiter (Nasa). Scheduled to arrive at Mars in March, 2006. To study Mars from orbit between March 2006 and July 2008, perform high-resolution measurements including images with a resolution of 20 to 30 cm, and possibly serve as communications relay for later Mars landers until about 2010
2007 August
Phoenix - the selcted Mars 2007 Small Scout Missions (Nasa): An in-situ volatile and organic molecule survey (LPL/Univ of Arizona). To be launched in August 2007, and to arrive at Mars on May 25, 2008
2007 Late
Mars 2007 Remote Sensing Orbiter (CNES, French Space Agency): Remote Sensing Orbiter.
2007 Late, Ariane V
Mars 2007 Netlanders (CNES, French Space Agency): Network of 4 small landers to perform scientific measurements on the surface of Mars over one Martian year
2007 Late
Mars 2007 Communications Orbiter (ASI, Italian Space Agency): Communications orbiter for Netlanders and future missions
2009 September
Mars 2009 Telecommunications Orbiter (Nasa): To be launched in September 2009 and to arrive at Mars in September 2010. Telecommunications Satellite, to serve as communications relay for Mars missions for about 10 years, until about 2020
2009 December
Mars Science Laboratory, Mars Smart Lander, Mars 2009 Mobile Scientific Laboratory (Nasa): Formerly scheduled for 2007, the spacecraft is now to be launched in December 2007, and to arrive at Mars in October 2010. Will include new technologies: A small long-range, long-duration rover powered by a small nuclear reactor, equipped to perform many scientific studies of Mars, and to demonstrate the technology for accurate landing and hazard avoidance in order to travel to difficult-to-reach sites
2009 Late
Mars 2009 Small Net-Landers (Nasa, France; under study). Possible Small Net-Landers
2009 Late
Exo Mars (ESA). Will include an orbiter and a descent module that will land a highly mobile rover, weighing up to 200 kilogrammes, on the surface of Mars
2011
Mars Scout 2 (Nasa). A mission succeeding and extending the 2007 Mars Scout, Phoenix; details to be defined. Mars Beyond 2009 page
2014
Mars 2014 (Nasa; possible participations from France and Italy) Possibly first sample return mission
2016
Mars 2016 (Nasa, international?; under study). Possibly another sample return mission, or orbiters, landers, rovers. May include a Mars Astrobiology Field Laboratory, or Deep Drilling or other technologies
sorry for any crazy margins or spelling.... alot of cut and paste..
happy hunting
Jason,
Thank you for your valuable input. I'm surry you find my posts boring. I find your 555 5 555 theory very interesting, but I am curious why you have abandoned the 5s for 3s here. Why?
My Grandfather says if he wraps his cats whiskers around his radiator steam valve just right and wears his foil hat while holding a toothpick between his front teeth he can hear Martians plotting to use the MRO dish antenna to intercept episodes of Ally McBeal transmitted years ago into space and bounced back at Mars by Planet-X. I told Him He should help the Martians by sending them dvd of Red Green Show and a case of duct tape. He told me the UPS charges would be astronomical and i said try FedEx Ground.
Lurker... good Q, 3 is the word of God, he stands between Man and Jehovah...
1.|--------1
2.|-------2 3
3.|------4 5 6
4.|-----7 8 9 A
5.|----B C D E F
6.|---J K L M N O
7.|--P Q R S T U V
8.|-----W X Y Z
Deut 5:5
5 I was standing between Jehovah and YOU at that particular time to tell YOU the word of Jehovah, (for YOU were afraid because of the fire and did not go up into the mountain,) saying,
6 “‘I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves. 7 You must never have any other gods against my face.
My point
'I' was standing between Jehovah and YOU
1.|--------A
2.|-------B C
3.|------D E F
4.|-----G H I J
5.|----K L M N O
6.|---P Q R S T U
7.|----V W X Y Z
1.|-1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
2.|-A B C D E F G H I
3.|-J K L M N O P Q R
4.|-S T U V W X Y Z
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45
re: steve wingate...
even if you are a hater... that's a funny-ass post...
re:templemaster 333 really good point about the bandwidth... I bet we "loose" the hi-band Ka after or b4 insertion...
re:everyone else.... Screw fonts...margins etc.. we need to exchange DATA not INSULTS.. (freak comes down off his soap-box).
wingate...
your grandpa is out of luck... Ally mcbeal is way past the ort cloud by now ;)
woops, Oort cloud (2 Os for those keeping count)... dam, no edit feature!!!
love, the gramatically challenged. hehe
I told Him He should help the Martians by sending them dvd of Red Green Show and a case of duct tape..."
How could you! WHAT AN INSULT!
Everyone knows that duct tape is useless without a good honking 4hp chain saw! How else would you cut the tape?
re:pif
hee hee
"oh, if only we could see the data being beemed down, oh, if only!"
How hard is it to leech signals from space? I mean really, how hard is it? You don't have to be smart to steal cable television - so - how smart must you be to leech a signal - coming from space?
Something tells me it's already being done....
And with that in mind, how about a web page showing _everyone_ how to do it.
Sword
This is off-topic definitely - Able Danger - exposed. Mil intel did know about Atta and crew 1 year before 911, but lawyers at DOD where blocked by Assistant Attorney General from telling the FBI... hint her name is simular to gorilla and then First Lady protoge.
Dear sword,
Please see above posts on why none of us peons can possibily do that. If it is being stolen by anyone think Russia, France and definitely China.
So Skipper... What's your next main page post regarding?.... The whole Iapatus thing and the orbital math blew my mind!
I have no idea when Cassini is to image that moon again... Last I heard "they" discovered Enceledes may = Europa??
Yum Yum... any thoughts?
So does the rest of the crew (you guys) think they'll ever clear a nuclear mission (propulsion and science payload) to melt thru the ice on these worlds and see what hasn't been disturbed by a large impact for.... well a long time? (so us commoners can slowly "come to grips" w/other life in our local system?) even though we all know Mars still harbors life.
re: anonymous..
911 = inside job. definately
he can be over the top, but check Rense.com
Actually the 911 story is real and quite hush hush - fox mentioned it yesterday - so have some of the other cable shows but no one, no one is talking about it - newsmax.com has some tidbits. Atta info was not given to FBI because of good ol' fashioned liberal political correctness, no other reason.
911 was not an inside job, (neither was the 1st WTC bombing, USS Cole, or African embassey bombings to name a few) - is very real war, which you may ignore or distort at your own peril.
Rense is known for putting up stories which are hoaxes and others edited to appear different from the original. Some of his stuff is true - but how does one judge with his track record?
Oh cool - just discovered I can save all the these comments - why I would I dont know.
Congressman Curt Weldon will be on the 730pm (tonite) segiment of the Mike Savage radio show. 3000 die and no one mainsteam media talks and no one is punnished.
IF you want to learn about Able Danger listen to the show even if you dont like Savage, you wont hear it anywhere else. 560 AM radio in Chicago area
> PIF said...
>
> Dear sword,
> Please see above posts on why none of us peons can possibily do that. If it is being stolen by anyone think Russia, France and definitely China.
Actually, no. The encryption is way to strong. That's why the ESA was eventually founded, NASA stopped playing fair. Remember, NSA has a vested interest in keeping space communication secure.
-M&P
M&P,
NSA is charged with intercepting & decryting all communication traffic world wide - not keeping NASA comm secure. That's a seperate contract which NSA play no part, since they have no mission there. NSA plays NO role in upload or download of NASA comm. NASA, FBI comm etc is exempt from that mission. And I only suggested if any one could intercept MRO comm it would be entities with more resourses than individulas - even collectively - can muster. As we posted above, even the most mundane of encrypted comm - think high level business data - surpasses our resourses and abilities. NASA's routines are simular stuff. I doubt there is any thing 'secret' about there comm routines - frequencies yes, routines no - just what ever propriety secrets held by the company which designed the equip under NASA contract.
EuropeanSpaceAgency was founded for the same reason Aerobus was - French national pride. The rest is verbage.
Anybody ...
Is there any way that the comments can be numbered?
So much time is spent finding my place each time I check in, so many posts later. Thank you.
Or any other suggestion, please?
aloha, c
Mind and Pen said...
> PIF said...
>
> Dear sword,
> Please see above posts on why none of us peons can possibily do that. If it is being stolen by anyone think Russia, France and definitely China.
Actually, no. The encryption is way to strong. That's why the ESA was eventually founded, NASA stopped playing fair. Remember, NSA has a vested interest in keeping space communication secure.
-M&P
11/8/05 7:22 PM
I'm going to put $333 on this
It's going to be something like
1112223334445555666777888999
Freemason's am on your case!
J aka 'Brian'
pif,
NSA's mission is three fold, based on which series of orders they operate under. There are several public books that detail this, so I won't go over (also so I don't get into trouble).
One, they handle electronic intelligence - intercept and decrypt. That was their primary and first function.
Out of that came two, to be the best Cryptogryphers the US has so they could break really strong codes. Out of that came three, to be responsible for all US crypto. If they knew how to break it, they could make it stronger. Everything else falls from those.
Almost everything the US sends into space has NSA involved in some way (some would say everything since 1980). usually it is nothing more than to secure some type of comms, and then, only a footnote.
Most of the NASA comms, if they want it secured, they get the specs from NSA (just as any other agency/department can). There is a stack of FIPS standards, and approved vendors, to supply technology based on NSA specs. Most US Govn't purchased crypto is built to NSA specs, even if NSA was not directly involved. The algoritim is either designed, or approved, by NSA.
NSA's involvement would be, usually, an entry in a database somewhere that supplier X provided to NASA contract y crypto meeting FIPS standard Z using NSA created/approved algorithim A on a piece of hardware B.
The reason I mentioned all of this was not to invoke that NSA is overseeing or involved. It was to indicate the strength of the encryption. Nothing more.
Now, if we're talking sattelites put into orbit, that's another can of worms.
As for ESA, my understanding was that the French stopped getting what they wanted (in part because the US Govn't and US companies wised up to the fact that the French really are not their friends), and so decided to get into the game. That and they wanted to "counterbalance" the US.
-M&P
Strong encryption:
That term means something else in crypto-comm than it does to civilians. Think double/quadriple multiplexed PPM (pluse per minute) comm with the signal stream coding interwoven between the pulses (in a random order) according to a random order tonal scheme. Pretty cool to listen to, but no way to make any sense from the sounds - a lot of which the human ear cannot hear. And that's probablly obsolete by now...
All military (US or otherwise) high level encryption schemes & comm is as far above mundane business comm (and NASA's) as cell phones are above crystal radios (if you remember them).
NASA may have once played fair, NSA never did. Most of the content in books and in stuff you read about NSA is junk and misdirection. If anyone commuicates with the socalled black ops craft, it would be NSA/NRO/etc. The big seven, and strictly stovepiped. NASA is out of that loop. I suspect DOD is also.
NASA's probem is just keeping a lid of their images, especially the ones they cannot hide. They aren't the originators, just a gatekeeper for someone else. In case you missed it NASA's budget is miniscule compared to the big seven. In DC, the importance of a mission is judged by the size of the budget. Gatekeepers get an hourly wage plus tips, the big guys get a salary.
And BTW Russia has from time to time broken NSA's encryption schemes. I don't know about the French and Chinese but they are no dummies so I would not be surprised if they had on occasion.
Unipax,
"Or any other suggestion, please" - yes just do a find in your browser, type - for instance - unipax and each instance your handle occurs will be found. I just do a command-f, type PIF, and commad -g for the next instance - I dont know which cumbersom windoz os you use but MS must have copied something simular. But there is no way to number the posts.
M&P we are so faroff topic :)
Well your info may be more current than mine on the NSA details - but it was once like that. The public books I read were junk, but then maybe there is a more recent one which lays bare for all to see exactly what NSA does in Ft Meade.
"As for ESA, my understanding was that the French stopped getting what they wanted (in part because the US Govn't and US companies wised up to the fact that the French really are not their friends), and so decided to get into the game. That and they wanted to "counterbalance" the US."
Which is another wordy way of saying French pride. As someone was saying on the radio - if you want to unravel something complex, break it down into very simple terms, turn it inside out, and describe it as simpily as possible with as few words as possible - think Heminway.
But none of the above has anything to do with NSA's 'vested interests' you mentioned originally. The vestment is simpily their mission - NASA may use NSA spec-ed equipment, but what happens after that is on NASA's watch.
This conversation is sure to kick out a few keywords :) But I don't know if NSA ever got rid of all their obsolete and obsolecent computer junk and replaced it yet - they were going to after 911. At any rate Nav Mill has taken center stage with Able Danger. They're going to get a lot more money when the shake out happens. Unless NSA can claim some part/role.
brian c said...
>Wow! Discovery mission time confirmed at exactly 333 hours, 33 minutes. I just did the math myself.
>From the timeline give here:
http://www.space.com/returntoflight/
>We are given:
Launch - July 26th, 10:39AM EDT
Landing - August 9th, 8:12AM EDT
>o, Aug 9th is 14 days after July 26th. 14 days x 24 hours/day = 336 hours.
>But, the landing (8:12AM) is precisely 2 hours and 27 minutes earlier than the launch (10:39AM), so we subtract this from 336, giving us exactly 333 hours 33 minutes. I estimate the odds of such a numerical alignment occuring by chance at about 1 in 100,000.
>Note: This can also be expressed as 13 days, 9 hours, 33 minutes.<
That's how it should be done: official source data ... transparent, easy calculation ... obvious, unavoidable result ....
Now comes the fun (hard) part:
What the HELL does it MEAN??!!
kcjavaman said...
>Richard,
>Have you heard any info about the Deep Impact spectral data from the ACM conference in Brazil this week? It looks like there is some info, because I saw that Linda Moulton Howe has something on her site - earthfiles.
She is going to be talking on C2C on Friday about Deep Impact, are you going to be on there too?<
Nope. That's Linda's show.
We're persuing SEPARATE "inside' sources. Expect news soon ....
Osiris195 said...
Bornholm is one of the points on the triangle of Christendom, along with Rennes-le-Chateau and Jerusalem.
When the Americans went looking for a boundary marker along the Pacific with Mexico ... they chose the Bornholm bearing line.
A
Jerusalem to Bornholm
d=1894 miles (3047 km)
b=NNW 334.5 degrees
B
Jerusalem to Imperial Beach, California
d=7653 miles (12316 km)
b=NNW 335.4 degrees
The Island of Bornholm is special for lots of reasons. Any Christian reasons for it being sacred would have to conform to the Christian world-view, which involved a map projection that was a circle in a square with Jerusalem at the center (angels at the four courners etc). In the case of a cosmologically-correct earth marker, that would please the International Community of 1848, Jerusalem acts as a heel-stone.
I'll add to that digression on Bornholm. (I had a baby in one hand while typing the last post)
The US was shut out from the Concert of Europe, pretty much until the Treaty of Ghent in 1814. This is one of the main reasons why they went around declaring war on the Sultan of Tunisia - to build diplomatic legitimacy through the Barbary Treaties).
In 1848, the US was still very much in the Protestant World ... and Bornholm was significant as the eastern-most out=post of Denmark. English Aristocrats come from Denmark, collecting the Danegeld taxes, subject to the Danelaw etc.
Jas333 can probably add to my theological explanation, but it was the tribe of Dan that was prophesized to scout the routes the Lost Tribes would follow.
This is why Arctic-hardened Scots & Orkneymen were regularly (dare I say ritually) passed over for inexperienced English-born Anglicans on Arctic expeditions. Samuel Hearne and Alex MacKenzie proved the Arctic could be mapped MUCH faster and safer over-land (over snow).
The Americans would have a theological angle that would reinforce the status quo and please the Nordic Community.
The method used to determine the Oregon Boundary at 49N and the Pacific Ocean was used for the US-Mexico marker. By choice, or by coercion, that is the path of least resistance to get the Royal Navy and British Imperial Diplomacy to back your claim.
The US were exercizing sea-to-sea Charters given to them by the British, so it's my thesis that, provided certain conditions were met, all the elbow-room acquisitions of the US had the backing of the British Empire.
Raised Eyebrow said...
templemaster333 said...
>Richard,
Perhaps MRO will reveal the nature of the giant square platform that I uncovered in the early ESA Express Orbiter image of Valles Marineris. I sent you the link to that image some time ago and asked you to look at it.Did you ever get a chance to check it out ? Once you locate it, it is a rather stunning structure. It is visible in a low angle 3-D image and cannot be natural. Let me know if you would like me to send the link again.<
That was an interesting find. If it helps, here's a cropped down copy of that image with the object blown up (no filters or effects applied):
http://www.nationalmotto.org/esa-MediaReleaseHRSC_FINAL_cropped.jpg
11/8/05 4:04 PM
Thank you very much for the cropped image, whoever you are ! I just wanted somebody to say that they saw it besides me ! This is ultimately the kind of stuff that brings this group together and provides inspiration to continue. Now, the question is, WHAT IS IT AND HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY HAVE SURVIVED THE TITANIC FORCES THAT CREATED VALLES MARINERIS ? Everybody needs to look at this image !
Addendum to discussion of Valles Marineris image discussion above: It might be a good idea for as many people as possible to get as many different copies of this image as they can find, before it..."disappears". Up until now, it's existence has not been widely known.
Believe it or not, this post IS on topic because when you are dealing with the work of TEM, everything is connected. There is a long history of suppression and manipulation of historical events. “History” is recorded by the winners and their objectives and bias’. Falsehoods are portrayed as facts to fit the agenda. Just look at NASA and the space program.
I understand it’s hard to for some to have their belief systems challenged. The Bible is held sacred by millions of people and it should be. There is great wisdom in that book, more than most truly know.
Richard C Hoagland said….
So, yes, check out www.meru.org ....
You'll NEVER see the Bible the same way again .... :)
But the Bible as we know did not begin to be assembled until it became the official religion of the empire of Rome. As you know I’m sure, Emperor Constantine called for the gathering of various religious sects of Christianity to form what would become ROMAN CATHOLICISM. That happened in 325 AD. A bit of time had passed since the time of Christ. The year 1675 is a fair distance behind us. As a matter of fact, the King James Version of the Bible was only published 64 years before that. When the 4 Gospels were finally chosen for the official canon, literally hundreds were left out. Constantine wanted a religion that would be easy to implement throughout the empire so it had to be rigid, structured and be able to be CONTROLLED BY THE PRIESTS OF ROME. Not every Christian at the time believed Christ to be the Son of God and their salvation. A large sect of Aramaic speaking Christians survived in the Persian and Ottoman Empires from the time of Christ up until WWI. Those Christians did not worship him. They emulated his teachings through prayer and through their actions. They were not concerned with public ritual. They were more concerned with the core theme of his teaching: remembrance of Unity because everything is connected to what he called Alaha, or Sacred Unity. Alaha EXCLUDES NOTHING. Even what you call evil, is a “creation” of Alaha. God is a Germanic rooted word relating to the concept of good. In the Aramaic language, there are no words for good and evil, PERIOD. Jesus saw everything as a relationship, within and without. As a matter of fact in Aramaic, there is NO DISTINCTION between inside and outside. Everything that happens in the external world is a mirror of the voices and struggles we must contend with in the psyche. The psyche is constantly growing and evolving, as is consciousness. We are not separate from “God”. “God” is us. Are we not made in his image? We don’t need to go TO heaven. We are already IN heaven. It’s up to us to realize that. We need to reconcile heaven and earth, light and darkness, good and evil. They are compliments to one another, not opposites and they both are a part of the cosmos, and of us.
In Star Wars, Anakin brings balance back to force alright, but with darkness. The prophecy WAS fulfilled. But not how everyone thought.
Please don’t talk down to others as if you have the “Moral High ground” because you follow the creeds of the vestiges of the State Religion of the Empire of Rome. You can surrender your Will to Churchianity, but don’t ridicule me for not doing the same. There is much more to Spiritual Pursuit than what you will find inside the doors of the Temple of Churchianity. The Pursuit has been going on for literally thousands of years without “the cross”.
By the way, if you are open minded enough to take a look at the events of 911 AND Oklahoma City objectively and thoroughly, you can come to no other conclusion but that they were INSIDE JOBS. YOU may ignore or distort at your own peril!
With all of this talk of decoding signals from the Mars probes, I had a thought and it is tied to the potential of our receiving and interpreting "other" messages from "out there". What if the signals are arriving at a higher frequency or faster (than light) than our present "official" level of technology allows for reception? The ones sending out messages might not bother (openly) with this planet until our technology level has sufficiently developed enough to receive and return messages back. We may have been receiving messages for a long time, but have not been able to capture them.
For anyone who hasn't seen it yet (and I assume there must be quite a few of you), here is a link to a web-article which has THE photo of the `megalightning-bolt' that joined/intersected the trail of Columbia during re-entry:
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=cc6y424y
Additionally, these links on mirror matter might be relevant in some way, shape, or form to the subject matter of this blog (but I don't know how):
http://www.geocities.com/mirrorplanets/
http://members.tripod.com/mirror_matter/
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/smitra/mirror.htm
Here's a fairly comprehensive link on meteors and meteorshowers (I saw an oblique reference to this in the comments section of another blog entry):
http://web.austin.utexas.edu/edcannon/meteorlinks.html
Recent meteoric events/curiosities not included on the Meteors and Meteorshowers page (to name just a few):
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article442072.ece
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_112802WABspacejunk.4f03cbc8.html (requires registration)
http://www.siriusufo.org/engnews/haber.htm
(If the video at the above link doesn't work, go here):
http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/wizardfl/TURKEY.html
SunKing said...
>The old man from scene 24,
>I never received an answer, but a few years back I wrote one of the TEM contributors (a lady, I cannot remember her name, alas) who wrote about the NASA launch times and the 19.5/33*,
>I wrote that I was convinced and fascinated, but also wondered if there was ALSO a "built-in" factor of celelstial or orbital mechanics that would be a more "obvious" or scientific explanation.
>I'd still like to know the answer to THAT one!
>(Not out to burst any bubbles...I'm just not that smart when it comes to orbital mechanics!)<
No bubbles to burst: there is NO valid scientific, celestial mechanics, or engineering reason to launch (or land) when "Sirius is 19.5 degrees above or below ... or ON ... the horizon."
It is PURELY a RELIGIOUS ritual. Only ... a VERY old one .... :)
Like -- landing at PRECISELY "333 hours, 33 minutes" aftr Liftoff ... from Pad 39b.
We're in the hands of lunatics ... until we say "ENOUGH!!"
ENOUGH!!!
my 333C$'$
CC ready DAG
J aka 'Brian'
PIF said...
>Richard, I just noticed how narrow your blog page is set - 410 pixels - can you widen it out a bit?
>#main {
width:410px;
float:left;
>It would cerainly take less time to read the blogs since here would be much less scrolling involved for the reader. I don't know, not having a Blogger.com account, but as I recall one merely needs to designate a different style template to achive a wider reading area. Adjustment is automatic I think. Maybe others with accounts can comment if you wish to make your page wider.<
If you simply grab the "comment window" when it opens, in the lower right corner, and pull down and to the right -- to a full screen size -- the text automatically fills the new, bigger window ....
Until I find Scotty .... :)
Anonymous said...
>We are spending resources to place small tetrahedrons on mars at sacred latitudes. This isn't science, it's religion.<
PRECISELY!!
Spread the word ....
Anonymous said...
>Richard,
>What will your conclusion if this mission - with all of it's imaging capability, etc. - fails to show any indication of a past civilization on Mars?<
That's why we MUST politically insure -- across the next whole year -- that we get HONEST data on this one ....
We'll finally have the technology in place, so that even YOU ... will KNOW.
Do you guys really think they can land with such specific precision. Now Im not saying they arent a bunch of nuts with this 19.5 thing, but c'mon, thats a little overboard there. They cant possible predict all the drag and other elements that would throw the landing time table off even by a few minutes.
Wayne Davis said...
>I couldn't sem to find out who is handling the photos (like is it Malin??) or JPL or......
Just wondering, I would hope it would make a difference.<
It's a PI (Principle Investigator) at the University of Arizona ... Masonic Central. :)
[Dr. Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona, Tucson, is the principal investigator for the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment. Ball Aerospace, Boulder, Colo., built the instrument for the university to provide to the mission.]
But, it won't make a BIT of difference -- until and unless we solve the fundamental POLITICAL problem over the next year!!
There is a browser for the Clementine mission located at http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clib/. The browser page came up with latitude 6, longitude 6 already chosen, so I set the image resolution to 1px=1km. This brought me an image with two "craters" with triangular interiors. However, when I requested the close-ups, the system doesn't load them... Plus, for such a sophisticated mission, the close-ups sure are blurry.
LEO, the clementine browser is one of the worst I've ever seen.
I would suggest this site:
http://pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov/maps.html
Robert - You're right, that is a far superior browser! Thanks.
PIF said...
>"I have a few spare satellite dishes!"
>Wrong frequency I think. And way to small. Nice thought - here's what you need to know to intercept the signal originating from great off-earth distances:
a) what is the geographical location of the data dump - is it stronger one place than another?
b) anywhere with in that area is where you place your antenna FARM.
c) the antennas must be tuned to the wavelength you wish to receive - any old antenna won't work.
d) you have to know the wavelength of the broadcast.
>However that does not help much unless you have the ability to record all the data, and be able to break out the data encrytption - even normal unsecret data is encrypted to compress the signal. You need to be able to boost the signal ->without distorting it<- in order to record it.<
Having researched this THOROUGHLY over the years, to the point of actually looking at refurbishing (with some engineer friends) an old "big dish" from NASA ... I can say from first-hand experience that this is NOT the way to go.
We MUST reform the political "rot" at the heart of the current NASA system -- which allows OUR money ($333,000,000) to be spent on THEIR toys and data. Without accountability.
And which allows them to land at "333 hours, 33 minutes ..." after Liftoff.
Thanks for that link, Robert! :)
I think I found Ukert Crater with it:
http://pdsmaps.wr.usgs.gov/explorer-bin/mapmars4.cgi?WHEREFROM=PZ&VERSION=EASY2&DATA_SET_NAME=moon_clementine_
multi&PIXEL_TYPE=BIT8&SCALE=pixels/degree&PROJECTION=SINUSOIDAL&RESOLUTION=303&RESAMP_METHOD=NEAREST_NEIGHBOR
&BANDS_SELECTED=5,3,1&FORMAT=JPEG&LONBOX=1.7&LATBOX=1.69&GRIDLINE_FREQUENCY=none&STRETCH=AUTO&LAT=8.105610&LON
=1.386699&LINE=512&SAMP=512
Enterprise Lurker said...
>Dog Star Boy said...
>Of course, the great explorers of the 1500's did not sail endlessly back and forth a hundred miles off the coast of Portugal, nor did they construct a massive artificial island they could repair to if their boat sprang a leak.
>The great explorers were trying to get to the Far East where known riches from India and China awaited them.
>If the Moon were made of gold or petroleum, we'd have a colony of 50,000 there by now, financed by private corporations!<
The Moon is home to something FAR MORE VALUABLE than "gold" or "oil": the ruins of a former, solar-system-spanning civilization. our own ancestors!
Only, the "private corporations" are looting it in SECRET ... and feeding us the crumbs ... while preparing to get the hell outta Dodge before the "doo doo" hits the fan ....
Not exactly an historical parallel for that to ancient voyages of exploration -- though I commend the original author; his instincts are EXACTLY right ... even if he doesn't have a workable solution to our current problem.
>pif said...
(unipax had asked for a way to number or bookmark the comments, to facilitate finding his place each time he visits.)
"Or any other suggestion, please" -
pif replied: yes just do a find in your browser, type - for instance - unipax and each instance your handle occurs will be found. I just do a command-f, type PIF, and command -g for the next instance - I dont know which cumbersom windoz os you use but MS must have copied something simular. But there is no way to number the posts. <
thanks pif, hhmmm ... if only I knew what a browser is. Seriously though, oh sh!!t I AM serious, dang.
"do a find in your browser" .... ok .... Is aol a browser ? I have windows XP. I use aol to access internet. I usually don't use MS internet explorer cuz my email is set up on aol. I'm almost there pif, I can feel it. Just a little more guidance, please?
aloha, uni
Richard,
>Speaking of Mars … a ‘ha ha ho ho’ article in 8-10-05 Guardian mentions you and the Face:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/farout/story/0,,1546181,00.html
>“….image was singled out by Vince DiPietro and Greg Molenaar, who cleaned it up and represented it to the world a few years later, this time with the addition of a large pyramid. Their find drew the attention of sometime Nasa consultant Richard Hoagland, who identified more anomalies in the region, including walls, a "fort", several smaller pyramids and something resembling the manmade mound Silbury Hill. Through some fantastical over-interpretation by zealous mytho-archaeologists, the Cydonian structures were soon being connected to human sacred sites at Avebury in Wiltshire, and the pyramids and sphinx at Giza, Egypt…”
>There is invitation to respond at base of story by email to
life@guardian.co.uk and include your name and address.<
Sounds like the perfect time and opportunity for a few folks reading this here to send the Guardian some serious e-mail -- urging that MRO take HONEST images of these structures in about a year ... and show the whole world! :)
I've often worried about the security of our astronauts on the Moon. IF (Big if) there is an extrarrestrial presence on the Moon, won't competing with them for lunar resources be a risky adventure?
On the internet some say we stopped going to the Moon because we were threatened, others say it's because the nation lost interest and therefore funding. I would come more close to believe the second explanation, though I do believe astronauts saw and see UFO's regularly almost.
Osiris195 said...
Constantine wanted a religion that would be easy to implement throughout the empire so it had to be rigid, structured and be able to be CONTROLLED BY THE PRIESTS OF ROME.
YES !!!
On the issue of 19.5 degrees. That's the most significant bearing line on the Jerusalem centered map of the world.
MALTA ...1224 miles (1970 km) WNW 289.0 degrees
GIBRALTAR ...2333 miles (3755 km) WNW 288.8 degrees
PANAMA ...7296 miles (11742 km) WNW 291.5 degrees
Actually, the marker is not Panama City, nor the Canal - rather, it is the boundary with Colombia .... aligned with Colombo, Sri Lanka. Is there an explanation out there already that seeks to explain why the British Grail Mysteries begin in Sri Lanka (home of Arthur C Clarke) ? (btw : This is the REAL link to the Essenes)
COLOMBO ...3341 miles (5378 km) ESE 110.9 degrees
latter_days_aint said...
Richard:
>Have you seen this one?
>http://worldjumpday.org/
>The HELL?!
>Is this thing for real?<
How would I know?! :)
Just look at the DATE ... and the TIMES ....
What do you think ...?
BTW: it won't work, of course. But--
Look what it's connected to ... the specific date, the specific times ... the key NUMBERS ....
What is "someone" REALLY trying to get a whole bunch of folks synchronized to accomplish ...? :)
uni is out with several of the space sisters at the moment
Skipper,
gil here. Regarding planning for the par .. er ... conference, I sent you some info with images of venue choices, c/o Mike Bara. Does that work? If you wish further exploration of the concept, I will do more research. However it will require some input from you re dates and at least one other issue. Comments section is not the best place for that, I'm sure.
In that case Mike should have my email address. Do I wanna put it up here? Nah. :)
gil
I really hope the launch goes well today and that we get some great pix, though I guess I am expecting too much.
>Robert said...
I've often worried about the security of our astronauts on the Moon. IF (Big if) there is an extrarrestrial presence on the Moon, won't competing with them for lunar resources be a risky adventure? ?<
One question is, is it really ET in those ufo's ? And, are they really ufo's ? In other words, are they really 'unidentified' ? There is hard evidence that earthlings have secret advanced craft of their own, that you paid for, and that they do all kinds of fun spooky stuff to keep us guessing in the dark. :)
I'm learning to run all data through the filter labeled 'disinformation detector' . It helps keep me sane, well, sorta kinda anyhow. :)
aloha, c
>PIF said...
M&P,
...
EuropeanSpaceAgency was founded for the same reason Aerobus was - French national pride. The rest is verbage.<
:)
Things made easy.
Only, you miss the French CNES in this theory, dragging as of today the same money as ESA, but all from French contributors.
ESA was founded because in the wake of the NASA successes in space exploration in the sixties, Europe wanted to try and emulate them, even if with much more limited resources.
And the same thing is going on nowadays. Three main contributors: Germany, France, Italy. Others putting considerable money as UK and Spain, plus all other Countries of EU.
Of course the space program of ESA is not ambitious. Except with the limited funding, after giving priority to Earth observation, ESA begun at last to do something really fascinating to the public, as Mars Express, and the next to come is Mars Exobiology (searching for life with a rover).
But independent manned space flight, and the real assault to the last frontier, is still SF in Europe: the whole Western Europe lost WWII, and it is strategically bounded to US. This is fair enough, as Europe is free thanks to US intervention in WWII. Only, we don't need to guess where is the scientific excellence around, and why LOTS of scientists expatriate to US from Europe, if they just want to THINK to do something good about fundamental research. And this get us back down to our business here in this Blog. If fundamental research becomes the ownership of a self proclamed elite, the card castle drops down, miserably. And here come researchers like our Captain, bringing some light in the darkness. We have to help him keeping this light ON.
Mind and Pen said...
>Last I checked, NASA uses NSA approved sattelite encryption schemes. Generally, these are very robust and require you to have the keys (symetric vs. asymetric encryption). The keys will exist on the spacecraft, and at the final image destination (probably JPL). No one in between will be decrypting the data without those keys, and using the best commercial supercomputers cracking those keys would take centuries.
>American's have got to make them tell us what they see, after all, the taxpayer pays for it.<
My point EXACTLY.
This problem is NOT going to be solved "technically." It is a POLITICAL problem, and as such MUST be attacked via that route.
We have some ideas .... :)
Stay tuned.
Anonymous said...
>If you listened carefully to the launch countdown, you could hear the reason for the scrub was yet another software glitch. at the end of coverage from atlas control on nasa-tv the nasa launch manager explained the anomoly as a fault condition on computers during fueling of the centaur stage. the problem was identified as a software problem reading fuel sensors as dry when other instrumentation monitors showed a wet condition, not an actual sensor failure and controllers were attempting to overide the computers to continue the fueling process manually when additional software said "sorry, i will not allow you to do that." perhaps these glitches spring from deep within the intel or microsoft components, but more likely reside with nasa software engineers, who seemingly find a patch around these glitches in time for the next launch attempt. this would not be happening if launch sensors and telemetry was being read manually by humans on analog instruments and monitors, (like in the good old days) and not by software that can fail no matter how many times its tested in advance. 3-2-1, ignition, liftoff! afterall, it's not rocket science ......... oh wait ....<
Did. And, listened VERY carefully. Even recorded it. :)
And ... isn't a "software glitch" such a CONVENIENT excuse these days ... if you have "other" plans?
OK, please tell me that somebody REMEMBERED to bring the incense this time ..!? Another one of these and somebody in the (still gently sleeping) press may actually catch on ....
saucerfreak2012 said...
>Not to be a prick but....on topic anyone... ???
>I smell the stench of thread degeneration.<
NOT going to happen. I'm watching ....
Saucerfreak2012 said...
>Now I'm curious about other mission specs....<
As you SHOULD be .... :)
unipax said...
Anybody ...
>Is there any way that the comments can be numbered?
So much time is spent finding my place each time I check in, so many posts later. Thank you.
Or any other suggestion, please?
aloha, c<
As far as I can tell, no.
But --I'll ask Scotty .... :)
Here's the alignment for this morning's launch of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter;
Event: Launch of Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
Location: Complex 41 - Cape Canaveral, FL - 28 Deg 24 Min N by 80 Deg 36 Min W
Date: 8/12/2005
Time: 7:43 AM EDT
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo[Horus]) on the Eastern Horizon
The "Feline/Mars" symbolism of Leo(Feline)/Horus(Mars) neatly ties in with with Face on Mars(Humanoid/Feline) symbolism. So according to the symbolism it appears they're going to use the orbiter to take better pictures of The Face.
Which means it's up to us to put massive pressure on NASA to make sure those pictures are made public by the "Roosters" and not suppressed by "the Owls".
Also, the symbolism of the Atlas 5 rocket is very interesting;
Atlas = Son of Iapetus in Greek Mythology. Iapetus is an artificially modified moon of Saturn. It was likely modified by the survivors of Planet V, as pointed out by Richard
In Greek Mythology, Iapetus was known as a "Titan". Titan is Saturn's moon where the Huygen's probe picked up Methane on Titan, a possible indicator of life according an article by the European Space Agency or as Richard pointed out, possibly an indication of "terraforming" by the survivors of Planet V.
V = Planet V
So this whole mission is filled with Feline/Mars/Planet V/Atlas/Iapetus/Titan symbolism.
Adam said...
>Do you guys really think they can land with such specific precision. Now Im not saying they arent a bunch of nuts with this 19.5 thing, but c'mon, thats a little overboard there. They cant possible predict all the drag and other elements that would throw the landing time table off even by a few minutes.<
Uh .. I think you miss the point: in today's world ... with today's media ... it doesn't matter WHEN she actually landed ....
It's when NASA SAYS she landed!!!
If "the Church of NASA" speaks ... and you're watch is different ... which "landing time" are you going to OFFICIALLY report ...?
The media and press have become mere spokespersons for official press releases. Nothing more.
Which is why I so appreciate the THINKING folks who gather here .... :)
unipax said...
>Uuni is out with several of the space sisters at the moment
Skipper,
>Gil here. Regarding planning for the par .. er ... conference, I sent you some info with images of venue choices, c/o Mike Bara. Does that work? If you wish further exploration of the concept, I will do more research. However it will require some input from you re dates and at least one other issue. Comments section is not the best place for that, I'm sure.
In that case Mike should have my email address. Do I wanna put it up here? Nah. :)<
No, let's NOT clutter up this space with those details.
Mike is forwarding your info. I'll get back to you .... :)
Just noticing how the new Looked Martin launch tower looks like ... an OBELISC.
Weird.
oops ... Lockheed, for God's sake!!!
Is there anything known about what these "333" rituals at NASA try to achieve? To me it looks like as if someone is suffering from the most expensive compulsion neurosis ever conceived.
Dan perez said...
>Here's the alignment for this morning's launch of the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter;
>Event: Launch of Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
Location: Complex 41 - Cape Canaveral, FL - 28 Deg 24 Min N by 80 Deg 36 Min W
Date: 8/12/2005
Time: 7:43 AM EDT
Alignment: Regulus(Heart of Leo[Horus]) on the Eastern Horizon
>The "Feline/Mars" symbolism of Leo(Feline)/Horus(Mars) neatly ties in with with Face on Mars(Humanoid/Feline) symbolism. So according to the symbolism it appears they're going to use the orbiter to take better pictures of The Face.
>Which means it's up to us to put massive pressure on NASA to make sure those pictures are made public by the "Roosters" and not suppressed by "the Owls".
>Also, the symbolism of the Atlas 5 rocket is very interesting;
>Atlas = Son of Iapetus in Greek Mythology. Iapetus is an artificially modified moon of Saturn. It was likely modified by the survivors of Planet V, as pointed out by Richard
>In Greek Mythology, Iapetus was known as a "Titan". Titan is Saturn's moon where the Huygen's probe picked up Methane on Titan, a possible indicator of life according an article by the European Space Agency or as Richard pointed out, possibly an indication of "terraforming" by the survivors of Planet V.
>V = Planet V
>So this whole mission is filled with Feline/Mars/Planet V/Atlas/Iapetus/Titan symbolism.<
Thanks, Dan. I KNEW we could count on you.
"What's new pussycat ...?" :)
Massimo IT said...
>Just noticing how the new Lockheed Martin launch tower looks like ... an OBELISK.
>Weird.<
It SURE does .... :)
Michael said...
Is there anything known about what these "333" rituals at NASA try to achieve? To me it looks like as if someone is suffering from the most expensive compulsion neurosis ever conceived.
12/8/05 4:08 AM
I guess it's all about magic.
Topped with some technological and physics concepts.
If the concept of Phi works (as it is demonstrated in nature) in the universe, and if the texture itself of the universe is based on these specific numeric relationships, one could imagine that by respecting these relationships in ordinary daily actions, they better fit in the flowing of spacetime. As an act of faith, this is magic. But if physically demonstrated somehow, this is technology, only just alittle weirdier than what we are used to.
My speculation, but it looks like top dogs around go for it. Probably they know much, much more. I don't believe in act of faith, as long as freemasons are involved (see gnosis concept)
Peace and success.
When I first heard there was a Huygens Probe, I thought about The Carol Burnett Show, when Tim Conway calls for his secretary Mrs-a-Huy-gens.
I don't think we can get NASA to turn over the dates & destinations ... but maybe we should demand something practical - like NAMING.
With an entire planet to explore and only a handful of humans paying attention ... the process will have to open up. If NASA is just picking names out of thin air, then they should have no problem opening up the naming to the public.
I say there is a ritual going on, where Mars and the Moon are being mapped and named according to a fixed center and position. A connect-the-dots system ... just like the Earth and just like the celestial dome (sky).
Secrecy is part of the tradition.
Nomenclators were a tool for a language that went worldwide in a relatively short amount of time. English was a 200 year old vernacular language when its first North American colony was built at Jamestown. English couln't accomodate the 3,000,000 place names that we now have in North America, nor could it handle the 1,000,000 species of spiders.
Exporting the map projection system is a given ... whether they exported the exactl same cipher system to the other worlds is less certain - especially in the computer age.
My suggestion to NASA watch-dogs would be to insist on putting the ghost in the machine - insist that humans do the naming. Don't let computers take over naming.
When we put a schoolbus on Mars, given that the truth plus the commoner equals subversion ... so NASA is doing reconaissance (a military act).
Open up the process and let 13yr old kids do the naming in their spare time over summer vacation. Let the 89yr old retired teacher apply their life experience to the mars-scapes.
Michael said...
>Is there anything known about what these "333" rituals at NASA try to achieve? To me it looks like as if someone is suffering from the most expensive compulsion neurosis ever conceived.<
Yes, they're nuts.
But, beyond that, this is a RELIGIOUS compulsion -- acting out arcane, Egyptian rituals which we discovered over a decade ago ... and which seem to be driving EVERY aspect of the NASA Program. The increasingly blatant "333s" are only the proverbial "tip of the iceberg."
Please read the list of links I provided at the end of the previous thread ... (or, someone can post it again here) ... to see our extensive DECADE of previous research and meticulous documentation of this official "psychosis" in the NASA Program.
Surveying this previous research is ESSENTIAL to understanding the current situation: NASA is no longer (if it EVER was ...) a "scientific" Agency. It is a RELIGIOUS institution -- which has a set of "priests" ("scientists" and "engineers") carrying out multi-leveled, arcane, ritual functions cleverly DISGUISED (for all those NOT involved) as "scientific" -- and with PUBLIC funds ....
EXACTLY as the prieshood functioned in Ancient Egypt ... thousands of years ago!
Unless (and until ...) we can get someone to "turn state's evidence," or post here Anonymously their inside "playbook" -- just WHAT they truly hope to achieve with all this "ritual" is sheer speculation.
However, the FACT that it's repeatedly occurring ... is now blatantly obvious -- to odds exceeding literally TRILLIONS to one ....
Pictures of Mars:
there are interesting images on the ESA site, only they are few if compared to the big MSSS database. The good thing is: they are in colour and can be enlarged a lot without losing details. This one I love most. It is best viewed with Opera, to be able to enlarge it and see its detail. Or, to export it to PSP. The darker part of this picture is the most juicy.
Look at it for yourselves.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/032-060404-0097-6-co-02-VallesMarineris.jpg
Waiting for Mars Reconaissance better data ...
It took a while, over 6 weeks of watching and learning, but you guys finally have me hooked. Richard I'm new to all this so if you or someone else could repost the research history into the 333 phenomenon so I can get up to speed I would be most grateful. Thanks guys, you've opened the eyes of a very amateur space nut!
Eeep! I don't mean the whole history, just the link to it! Thanks 8^)
Welcome, Neo2005,
and excuse me Captain, please allow me.
http://ascension2000.com/04.10.03.htm
The Matrix is waiting for you
:)
There, I don't agree on the superhuman nature of crop circles.
Neither I believe they are all fake. I believe there is something like a "British humor" behind, plus some new (human) technology still to be disclosed to the peons.
You may want to see for yourself.
Have fun.
As far as NASA being a cult, why do they not just schedule their launches to go when the stars are in the right place, rather than fabricat delays and alert those who know what they are up to?
neo2005 said...
>It took a while, over 6 weeks of watching and learning, but you guys finally have me hooked. Richard I'm new to all this so if you or someone else could repost the research history into the 333 phenomenon so I can get up to speed I would be most grateful. Thanks guys, you've opened the eyes of a very amateur space nut!<
Welcome aboard .... :)
The best place to begin is where WE began ... so many years ago.
Initially as unbelieving as everyone else, that such "rituals" could be occurring inside our most "scientific" and "future-oriented" Agency, a decade of following this data -- and documenting time and time again NASA's astonishing "ritual" behavior -- has convinced me that we are, indeed, dealing with a SECRET "priesthood" ... masquarading as a respectable, world-class "scientific and engineering institution."
Does this mean that MOST NASA scientists, managers and employees are aware of what's been going on in this regard?
NO!
That's perhaps the most unbelievable aspect of this entire arcane "plan" -- that it is being carried out under the very noses of those who MAKE it happen ... the literally thousands of NASA scientists and engineers themselves!
But, as with any "compartmentalized" organization, the "this COULDN'T BE HAPPENING here!!" has played a major role in continuing to allow it to ACTUALLY happen ....
So -- begin a two-part intro, here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/kennedy1.html
Then go here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/oh_my_god.htm
And then here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm
And, to wind up your Phase One education in "NASA Rituals and Hidden Agendas 101," go here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/table_of_coincidence.htm
Others here at Enterprise will have additional suggestions I'm sure, drawn from our last ~20 years of extensive, multi-disciplinary research in to the REAL "NASA" ....
The culmination of this extraordinary "hidden NASA" is the ending of the latest "Return to Flight" soap opera ... EXACTLY 333 hours, 33 minutes after it took off.
WHAT are these people up to??!!
Richard, Hello
You said: The Moon is home to something FAR MORE VALUABLE than "gold" or "oil": the ruins of a former, solar-system-spanning civilization. our own ancestors!
If I stay with the story of the Epic of Creation for a moment, as conveyed by Sitchen, then the question that arises for me is about when those ruins are from?
That story aludes to the moon being previously referred to as Kingu and that it was alive and just about ready for "independance" as a planet from Mother- Tiamat. Following the grand events previously described, Kingu was pretty much pummelled and toasted to be what it is today.
I know this may not be your perspective, but at least for discussions sake, let me ask this, please
Do you feel the ruins, you are referring to are from way back when there would have been atmosphere and planetary dynamics, or are they ruins from a civilization more recent that built on the moon as it appears today, barren and without atmosphere??
I'm thinking, ala "Space 1999" or perhaps more like standard Earth style structures?
Richard,
Re: the massive group jump.
I don't know much about this story, but my first feeling on it is that it is meant to be a pulse wave, ala Schumann Resonance. The numbers of people spread out to be a global instant.
Humerously, I just thought about a kind of "Horton Hears a Who" premise! Too funny lol :)
Pif, Hi!
I save comments with links or ones that have depth that require further contemplation, by copying and pasting into the notepad. Then I can chase links later or reread some of the more thorough posts that require greater focus.
Got your comment re: my profile pic. Thought the smiling mug might be tiresome, but I realize it is easy to indentify and find. The other shot was my wife and I on the summit at Mt. Tremblant, "getting a little perspective".
Richard,
Thanks for answering my orbital mechanic question! I didn' think it was coincidental, but had to ask the question.
Pif,
Wise guy! The thing on the face in my icon is a sunburst thingy (lack of better term) to go along with my SunKing handle.
Saucerfreak,
Thanks for all the good mission info!!
Templemaster and the other poster responding to him (sorry!),
Thanks for link to the jpg! What a very interesting image! I can see why it caught your eye. Good Job!
Dan Perez,
Bravo!
For those needing a numbering system on the posts....I just use the timestamp at the bottom of each post as my quide.
And for those asking about 33 and 19.5, etc...YOU GOTTA READ RICHARD'S NUMEROUS ARTICLES ON THE MAIN PAGE AND BUY HIS BOOK TO GET UP TO SPEED!!!
Binky said...
As far as NASA being a cult, why do they not just schedule their launches to go when the stars are in the right place, rather than fabricat delays and alert those who know what they are up to?
Because it draws the attention of those people "in the know" ;) of the intentional establishment of the ritual timing....IMHO. In other words, that they have the power to direct and re-direct resources to their will.
Unipax, Good morning EDT
Re: ufo's. Many others could speak to your thought about their authenticity in a more scientific way, but I have three good examples to mention.
Previously I spoke about my father having chased a ufo when he was a fighter pilot in the RCAF in 50's and early 60's. On this occassion he was piloting a Cf100 with a navigator. Notably, they could only get radar lock in the air manually with the navigator's persistance and not at all on the ground. The intercept took place over the St Lawrence and was corroborated by a visual sighting from and F86 that was in the air at the time near Montreal, Quebec. Tragectory was verified.
Its departure was at radically extreme speed, pretty much instantaneous.
Interestingly, debrief was done back at base in Canada,by the American Military-Norad?, and was documented as legitimate Unidentified.
There is a story, well documented, but I don't have its specifics, about a large disc esentially coming in off the coast of Nova Scotia and entering the water there at a nice angle with control on a sunny afternoon. It was, I witnessed by pretty much the whole town!
Finally, there is colour video footage I have seen and it may be in the ufo video series that are out there, of a ufo having landed on the outskirts of the City of Ottawa, the Capital. The footage shot through a few trees was of some duration and the object on the ground had many coloured lights and I never heard a disqualifyer or debunk about it.
Whether the ufo's are ours or not, otherwise is almost a moot point. They are real and present. Personally I feel there is both here, ours and "others". Even just ours, simply serves to show us that our real technology is ultra now and certaintly way beyond what is commonly "believed" to be the current or common, human state of knowledge.
I have personal experience with other levels of existence, but thats OT for here. I find it just meaningful to acknowledge that there is a much bigger reality than we currently are conscious to, by human filtering and limitation or otherwise. There is simply more to the picture than meets the eye..
That is all thats needed to start to become more "open". Details become irrelevent as present open awareness is stabalized and one is no longer distracted by the stimulus of identifying with this world of appearances and patterns.
I like Richard's term: To be a Generalist.
That allows one to simply be available to be informed(big way). There is no box in the first place to think outside. Thats the self constrained illusion!
Always already be free, as observant consciousness, generally clear and here..
Templemaster, Hello
Thanks! for that cropped image, I had trouble with the orginal large file and couldn't locate the anomoly. Much appreciated.
And its very intersting! Hmmm?
Sunking,
I like your profile pic! grokked it.
I think Pif needs to get a picture of his own. :) He was knock'n my refreshed image, too! Common Pif! Its easy and you don't need a blog there to make a profile thumb.
IonTruO2 said...
>Richard, Hello
>You said: The Moon is home to something FAR MORE VALUABLE than "gold" or "oil": the ruins of a former, solar-system-spanning civilization. our own ancestors!
>If I stay with the story of the Epic of Creation for a moment, as conveyed by Sitchen, then the question that arises for me is about when those ruins are from?
>That story aludes to the moon being previously referred to as Kingu and that it was alive and just about ready for "independance" as a planet from Mother- Tiamat. Following the grand events previously described, Kingu was pretty much pummelled and toasted to be what it is today.
>I know this may not be your perspective, but at least for discussions sake, let me ask this, please
>Do you feel the ruins, you are referring to are from way back when there would have been atmosphere and planetary dynamics, or are they ruins from a civilization more recent that built on the moon as it appears today, barren and without atmosphere??
>I'm thinking, ala "Space 1999" or perhaps more like standard Earth style structures?<
I'm very uncomfortable mixing actual imaging and physical science with "literary translation, reconstruction and interpretation" of thousands-of-years-old legends and cultural "histories" -- without ANY crosscheck ("groundtruth")on the wide variety of existing interpretations of those "myths," including Sitchin's.
Though there are undoubtedly key "truths" mixed into these persistant legends, from so many ancient cultures, separating the literary "license" in them from the actual FACTS, is well-nigh impossible -- certainly, without some external "referent" to calibrate their accuracy in even the most mundane situations ... let alone what might have taken place MILLIONS of years ago across an entire solar system!!
The science we have tried to do, by contrast -- based on actual NASA images and calibrated erosion rates, etc. -- says that "the ruins on the Moon" are VERY old ... literally MILLIONS of years ... probably as old as similar ruins we have seen on Mars (and in the outer solar system -- Iapetus, et al).
With the explosion of a MAJOR planet in the inner solar system (Planet V), some 65 million years ago, and the subsequent release of Mars into its own orbit of the sun, coupled with the spreading of a vast cloud of planetary "schrapnel" all across the entire solar system as a direct result of this inconceivably catastrophic explosion ... ALL planetary environments changed. How MUCH the Moon changed -- from before to after this Event -- is totally uncertain. But, it HAD to change!
In fact, I believe the major features that we see across its surface were FORMED by this event! How could they NOT have been?
Which would make ALL the published NASA data (which contains scant evidence for such a vast explosion -- as apart from other, equally scientific evidence) extremely suspect ... and reveals deep, hidden motivations for NASA's surprisingly aggressive LEGAL prosecution of any who have attempted INDEPENDENT analysis of the Apollo samples actually brought back from the surface of the Moon!!
It is certainly possible that the Moon was given -- via the extremely sophisticated, pre-Cataclysm HD technology which once existed in this solar system (in our Model) -- its own atmosphere and "shirt sleeve environment" for a time. However, until we have accurate and UNCENSORED data from the surface (far beyond the Apollo samples, and NASA's carefully-controlled interpretation of that evidence ...), what REALLY happened on the Moon CANNOT be known with any certainty.
One thing IS certain, based on the imaging evidence which has been "leaked" to us over the last ~20 years: there WAS once an extremely sophisticated, solar-system-wide, HD-based civilization ... which went into steep decline and ultimate devolution ... with the catastrophic destruction of Planet V.
How this has been interpretated in the surviving, fragmentary and extremely primitive textual records of our earliest civilizations here on Earth (only even recently recovered ...), is ANYBODY'S guess at this point -- including Sitchin's!
I prefer to do the SCIENCE -- and find out ... amid the actual surviving RUINS that are out there ... what the REAL history of the solar system is trying now to tell us--
IF we can just POLITICALLY get NASA to "come clean."
I saw 1 MUFON-confirmed UFO and 2 unconfirmed when I lived in Gulf Breeze, Fla. The confirmed was of one type, the 2 of another.
I almost had to beat my wife to get her ass out of bed to see the first one, then she acted like I was nuts!
And I waddn't stoned or drinkin'!
Iontruo2
"There is a story, well documented, but I don't have its specifics, about a large disc esentially coming in off the coast of Nova Scotia and entering the water there at a nice angle with control on a sunny afternoon"
Saw the same thing off False Pass AK in 78. But no angle just sellted in and went under. It was traditional shape but size and distance hard to estimate since both the sea and sky were gray and misty at the time. Appeared about 4" across to the eye and was beyond a mile away - how much was imposible to say. The skipper didn't have the radar on at the time and we were too busy - but even if we had rushed to turn it on - those old radars took a while to warm up. The sighting lasted only a few minuutes anyway.
"I think Pif needs to get a picture of his own. :) He was knock'n my refreshed image, too! Common Pif! Its easy and you don't need a blog there to make a profile thumb"
Too much work, despite the apparent ease - but thanks for the thought. See earlier link in first blog for my site. I look like a bluish, cartoon fish in any case - hold that thought.
China will go to the Moon soon, would it be a chance to know what is really down there ?
Massimo IT said...
"why LOTS of scientists expatriate to US from Europe"
Interestingly enough, during the testimony to the panel on Mars to Moon, one young gal, an exchange student science major, testified she would return to France after her education in the US was finished because "that's where the job opportunities were best". Subsequent testimony confirmed this was a widely known among younger people in the hard sciences with space applications. This may be changing, but I'm not holding my breath. Your advantage.
Robert,
Many including Richard are certain the lunar guys saw 'unusual' things - what exactly they saw is conjecture at the moment. As far as threats go, who knows? But it can be stated that if they did indeed see 'unusual' things, then someone else got scared - or some ritual alignment which told of dire consequences if they persisted, or the Feds atthe time desided to follow the Brokings Report's conclusions - see Richard's paper on this, or maybe persisted in the fashion in use - rockets. All we can state with some certainty is they saw 'unusual' things, and manned lunar landings were halted.
Unipax, unipax, oh what will we do with you?
Well the first thing is get another ISP and trash AOL :)
I do not use a windoz box so I'm fishing here - I'm sure your fellow windoz users can help more than I.
But I'll give it a shot - if you are seeing this you are using a browser - The one installed by AOL is a hacked up version of IE. You likely will find that the version of IE in XP works simular to what I described. I suggest that you configure Entouage or what ever client (app) XP installs to pick up your email, or use webmail if AOL permits. Get a copy of Windows for Dummies.
PIF
Osiris195 said,
"In the Aramaic language, there are no words for good and evil, PERIOD"
Just a word to clarify - how do you know this? What is your personal expertize in this language? IMHO it is alway a good idea to state some reference when making an absolute statement, since an absolute statement defines the validity of the arguement being made.
Early Christians in France who, accodring to legend began with Magdeline, behaved and believed as their Aramaic counterparts, except they did - as far as I know - believed in good and evil for which they did have words. How do you square this with the concept of Jesus' thought you wrote about? They all came from the same source. One must remember that although Jesus lived in and was as need be fluent in Aramaic, He also spoke Hebrew which also has words for god and evil. In our monolinguistic cululture, we tend to forget that in many places multiple languages are spoken in a culture with equal validity. Jesus probably was also fluent in Latin. It is certain that He lived only a short walking distance from a large trading town and religious center.
nowhere said,
"We may have been receiving messages for a long time, but have not been able to capture them."
Concur - as HDp describes different spaces and abilities, it almost certanly describes a different way to send communicatiions. If a culture operates on those principles, why, as you state, would they bother using the radio band of the EM spectrum? We do know that Maxwel described other methods, except we do not use them - see Richard's paper on that subject. Other cultures elsewhere may not have made the same decisions when confonted with the same theorums. Finding ET using radio detection has always smacked of huubris to me.
Richard said...
>The Moon is home to something FAR MORE VALUABLE than "gold" or "oil": the ruins of a former, solar-system-spanning civilization. our own ancestors!
>
>Only, the "private corporations" are looting it in SECRET ... and feeding us the crumbs ... while preparing to get the hell outta Dodge before the "doo doo" hits the fan ....
>
>Not exactly an historical parallel for that to ancient voyages of exploration -- though I commend the original author; his instincts are EXACTLY right ... even if he doesn't have a workable solution to our current problem.
Well, Richard, for the low, low price of only $100 million you can find out for yourself! Space Adventures will send you on a nice Apollo 13-style slingshot around the backside of the moon (hopefully without the Apollo 13-style life threatening drama!) Plenty close enough for nice photos of the ruins.
Actually, I have been very impressed with the work that you, in association with Mike Bara, David Wilcock and others have done over the years. As my screen name implies, I've been visiting Enterprise Mission since it's inception.
However, although I find your hyperdementional physics very intriguing, I have closely followed the Cydonia issue, I find your NASA/Egyptian Ritual connections compelling, and the possibility of life in the oceans of Europa tantalizing, the one point that I could not quite come to grips with was your assertions that the Apollo moon landings showed remnants of a dome. (Others can see a debate Richard had with Astrnaut Ed Mitchell on Art Bell's program in 1996 for more information.)
Your work on the Mars Tidal Model is pure brilliance, and you have absolutely convinced me that Mars was at one time tidally locked to a larger planet. It always seemed to me as a child (I'm 46 now) that the "asteroid belt" was oddly placed and appeared to be rubble remants, and the exploded planet theory fits nicely with what I intuitively felt all along.
I also find very intriguing the current series "A Moon with a View" and eagerly await Part 7. So many things on your ever shrinking plate!
Keep up the good work, and we'll start the collection to send you on that Space Adventures trip. (If we can raise $200 million, we can send Dr. Falkov with you!
John
Richard said,
"If you simply grab the "comment window" when it opens, in the lower right corner, and pull down and to the right -- to a full screen size -- the text automatically fills the new, bigger window ....
Until I find Scotty .... :)"
I guess you missed my post which specifically said: not this post-it-note comment/space but the space (main page) you write your articles in/on. Anyway you will likely still have to wait for a certain engineer to show up.
Richard said,
"Having researched this THOROUGHLY over the years, to the point of actually looking at refurbishing (with some engineer friends) an old "big dish" from NASA ... I can say from first-hand experience that this is NOT the way to go."
Personally I still like the idea of some guy getting a job at JPL and bugging their equipment - seems easier than the other alternatives :)
Richard said,
"Another one of these and somebody in the (still gently sleeping) press may actually catch on ...."
Hey whatsa matta, can't you hear the snores? If it ain't in da google than it ain't no story.
Seriously, however, I know you shy away from most political comment, but look at this story - Able Danger - this is huge but nary a peep in the press. Your story dwarfs that by orders of magnitude. Now sending emails and letters is a good idea, except Able Danger is already generating huge volumes of email, letters and phone calls, but still the press and DC politicans publically continue to ignore them. The Wall is up around ANYTHING which threatens the staus quo AND all those connected with maintaning it. IMHO.
Richard said,
"EXACTLY as the prieshood functioned in Ancient Egypt ... thousands of years ago!
Unless (and until ...) we can get someone to "turn state's evidence," or post here Anonymously their inside "playbook" -- just WHAT they truly hope to achieve with all this "ritual" is sheer speculation. "
insert->I'm very uncomfortable mixing actual imaging and physical science with "literary translation, reconstruction and interpretation" of thousands-of-years-old legends and cultural "histories" -- without ANY crosscheck ("groundtruth")on the wide variety of existing interpretations of those "myths," including Sitchin's.<-end insert
insert comment->Thanks that helps with understanding your stance. I'll go ahead and leave remarks I made before you published your stance. Maybe some one can turn up something - not internet speculation - something hard from some university research, something documentable with a .edu reference from my comments below.<-end insert comment
Well, there is this: no one knows EXACTLY how that priesthood funtioned, the last one was murdered during the Christian riots at the end of the Ptolemaic Dynasty. We know some things about what the priests did, but why they did some things and rituals, and where they originated was not passed on. There is no Egyptian Priesthood Guide for Dummies. Likely the important stuff was passed orally and through the Mystery Cults or something like that - which brings one to the Masions who either deny any 'secret' or obviuscate what seems clear.
My earlier point in trying to, as you said , 'figure it out/what does it mean', is where did the priesthood get their rituals from? These seemed to - like the entire culture - spring up with no antecedants. They must have come from the period the priests called 'The First Time', but what was that exactly? If we knew the origins of the rituals, then perhaps we could 'translate' the messages. Certainly the current users know something about this, we just have to did deeper to the origins - to find the Rosetta Stone, as it were.
A thought - perhaps the keys to figuring out what the Egyptian priest and their rituals, as well as the current use, is to look to Sumeria. What Sitchin published is controversial and many are familiar with his works - but has anyone looked at the non-contoversial Sumerian materail in depth? One could also examine the host of anciet Hindu writings - not for spiitual enlightenment as most do - but for clues to the First Time and rituals, and draw parallels to later Egyptian rituals, thus exposing eith the key to understanding their meaning or the direction it lies. FWIW: there are a LOT of numbers in the Hindu texts, and the surviving Sumerian tablets also contains hosts of numbers - reportedly various business transactions.
Richard,
Thanks you very much for your thoughts on that. With such significant age attributed to the ruins, we'll have to wait for the revealing of more details of the kind of structures they represented. Stone structures or space stations.
I had read previosly that the moon shows a significant amount of bombardment more so than many other bodies. I guess this is where "acheology" gets really challenging especially when adding that to a time frame of millions of years ago coupled with willfull concealment of the fuller deatails in the first place?
That's a pretty good idea, Pif!
All,
A few quick hits.
Me, off topic? Never. Where I used to work years ago, I was notorious for getting "off-topic" until right at the end and then bringing it all back together.
Oh, and as for the filters, they never worked right - to much noise (hi guys).
As for UFO's - just remember the Joint Strike Fighter is one of the longest running programs for a single set of aircraft, ever, and it's in its third or fourth generation. Many planes have come from it, much fun.
As for basic research, something I found interesting.
A few years ago the UK government turned their research and development arm, DERA (similar to the US DARPA), into a private company called QinetiQ. How they came up with the name was an interesting story. QinetiQ has had a single exterior investor, The Carlyle Group. QinetiQ has now bought 4 US defense firms. Basic private research lives.
Now, to tie everything back together. NSA, CSEG, GCHQ, DARPA, DERA, Carlyle, GE, QinetiQ, DSTL, ESA, NASA, Lockheed Martin, Honeywell.
There are many interconnections between the above at senior levels. Are they all "in the know" of the NASA religion? No. Are they using it to their advantage? Where it makes sense, yes. Can we get control back into the public, most definately.
The problem is, how? I know people who want to get information out, the problem is, how?
-M&P
sunking,
before I dash out for a while - you could tell me which is a good idea .. I'm so full of it...:)
Sunking,
Before I dash out for a while - could you tell which good idea of mine you are refering too, please? I'm so full of it... :)
Sorry for the double post I hit something unintended
While every one is looking at the Egyptian pyramids fro ritual alignments, has anyone done the same for other megalithic structures built around the same time - like Stonehenge? There are numerous ones all around the world and all are connected to astronomy - sun/moon rise - but while they do that true, perhaps they also record/sight on Sirius/Orion alignments - As we know the builders did a lot of heavy lifting just to create a simple observatory, so maybe there were other more signifigant purposes - after all, no one knows what religion, if any, was practiced by these non-Egytpian megalith builders - so they COULD have had the same religion - likely as not.
, Sumerian writings!
Sorry myself for typo....the comparison of Hindu and Sumerian writings for correlations.
The sum of all integers between 1 and 39 inclusive is exactly 780 = 20*39 = 40*19.5 = 2*2*5*39 = 2*2*5*3*13.
Interesting that the result of the summation of 1 to 39 includes 39 as a factor.
JASGRAVE333: don't get too excited. I don't mean to stir YOU up!. I have concluded that JASGRAVE must be a PRINCETON EGG, modified for internet access.
If you look at the blog pic of the MRO, on both the gantry and the Atlas, the American flag is at the bottom of all the corporate, mission and NASA logos.
FWIW....
I think the "lightning bolt" was probably natural static...
The friction with the atmosphere must build up a charge of some
kind...
As to the alignments, I know it's the time for those...but,
...could'nt they just be using them to access what they
/think/ is Hyper-D energy ? For the launch ?
Or is it some old mariners trick of insuring a good departure ?
:-) Joss Sticks ?
djbarney
I don't know if this had been mentioned yet.
"MRO is on Its Way to the Red Planet
NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) successfully lifted off from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla at 7:43:00 a.m EDT on Aug 12. The spacecraft launched from Space Launch Complex 41 aboard NASA's first Atlas V rocket. The MRO is healthy and performing as designed, presently communicating with ground stations and unfurling its solar arrays."
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/main/index.html
New "Captain's Blog" posted ....
Hi everyone,
Richard's got a new posting!
I guess we should shift over?
Captain RCH SAID!!!
(Uh .. I think you miss the point: in today's world ... with today's media ... it doesn't matter WHEN she actually landed ....
It's when NASA SAYS she landed!!!)
Oh I see now, I missunderstood. I thought the person had actually been watching the clock and was going off of their own numbers. Ok, makes sense this way Richard. Thanks for clearing that up.
Launch.
They better get their heads and their butts wired right, Im getting impatient, I want this bird to fly.
RE:Dans post concerning Iapetus. also see Tom Van Flanderns info in his 'Dark Matter...' book. Says Iapetus was blasted on the dark side by fragments of the former planet v. Also: The Exploded Planet Hypothesis is not a twenty first century idea. Olber made this hypothesis in the 18th century,followed by Lagrange. It wasnt until 1801 that this idea was thrown out by the current models of comets and asteroids. Some more political manuevering even back then? Id say the arcane symbolics being used by the Masonic 33rd degree/royal ancient Egyptian connection is a belief system that I surmise from reading past TEM articles,,a sign of preparedness of some sort. All these missions regarding Mars,and the deep impact Tempel I mission..are pretty much linked up. They want to confirm EPH(Exploded Planet Hypothesis)and want to see if our ancestors were located in the vicinity of the missing planet. Remember that TVF says that asteroids and comets are 3 million years old and essentially originated in the same location between jupiter and mars. Inside the tektites found on Earth are 'Shock Diamonds'which is another major clue to Mars origin. Would this new orbiter have the ability to discover shock diamonds embedded in iapetus and Mars?
Long forgotten relatives perhaps?
This is one of many locations imaged, demonstrating conscious design.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6994/s0600959p0jz.jpg
Wouldn't it be funny if it was discovered that this civilisation arose rapidly from the reverse engineering of the Viking landers.
(Taken from S06-00959P)
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So Be It, Lionheart, Good After Noon,
AnaMata RaMuAn here, Prime Creator Source, and first of all, it is mine to tell you, Love I You Greatly Indeed, and next, to simply place you on honorable notice here, that,in that you and your comments section have opted to negate the data and information that Magdalena, indeed The Magdalene, has so granted to you earlier today, then, so it is that you have quite simply, disallowed the opportunity that the hearts of your quite brilliant Crew, here on these pages, would so open, and perhaps, that it could be possible for them, and for you, to come to understand that there is a great deal more goodness in Humanity than there is the lack thereof, and that at times, when it is that so many literally brilliant minds come together, in order to attempt to make sense of a difficult and trying situation and the quality of tragedy that all of Humanity is facing now, not only in the wake of massive storms and tsunamis that have already occurred but as well in the fear that such occurrences could possibly happen again without significant warning,
then those brilliant minds will have the tendencey to attempt to cast blame upon someone or something, in order to make sense of what certainly seems to be a dire situation.
That is only natural, however you must keep in mind when one is Captain of a forum such as this one, then, what tends to happen is that those very brilliant minds will tend to run away with themselves, and may certainly create qualities of a "feeding frenzy" that then begins to demonize individuals, with whom those persons have no personal contact whatsoever, and whose responsibilities they cannot even begin to comprehend, and of course, that is not skillful.
We realize that you have opened your forum for comment in the way that you have in order to provide the availability for data to be brought forward in perhaps an "anonymous" fashion, that would allow for the translation of data and information that would support you in your Great Work, and to lend it further clarity.
However, when one allows for that quality of mentation, or mental "game playing" that would attempt to "uncover" conspiracy behind every event, then one begins to significantly muddy the waters that one is in fact attempting to clarify.
Yes, there are those in "power" who do not wield that power well. That seems to come riding along with "power" does it not? While, at the same time, there are many men and women, and many families who are suffering, and, rather than to point fingers at shadows, it would be much more skillful to begin to refer to your previous work, hyperdimensionally, to begin to describe how it is that the natural processes that are inherent within the process of ascension are currently at play, in order to bring the quality of scientific and mathematically demonstrable information that you present to those who, as is demonstrated by those who post in your blog, could understand the magnitude of your data, and then, perhaps "distill" and translate it for a broader audience.
It was foolish of you, Lionheart, to disallow the posting of The Magdalene's words and explanation of the process of the ascension of The Lady Planet Earth Heart from your forum here, for in fact and indeed, it was certainly possible that the process of the opening of the hearts of your many admirers who are following your comments here, could have been begun therefrom.
We do not chastise you here, Captain, however it would be unconscionable for us not to point that folly out to you directly.
Should you care to renew your option to post the data and information that The Magdalene has so graciously and generously allowed for you, then, you may simply make a note upon your blog comments, and we well see to it that it is re-posted.
Should you not, then, Lionheart, it is necessary that we point out to you here that you have "cast your vote" in the judgement of what it is that we have granted you, in order to assist you, and in that, should you prefer to manage it in that fashion, then you have simply declined the opportunity for the opening of your own great heart, that we understand has been wounded along the way, and therefore we do not make that statement lightly, but, it would be tragic for one such as yourself, who is so accomplished, and so brilliant, and who has struggled so long and so hard, to leave behind the very heart of the matter itself, in your quest for a greater understanding.
For without the heart to lead the way, any understanding that you may pursue will be ultimately barren.
So Be It, Lionheart. We will see what you do.
And, again, and as always, without exception, Love I you greatly indeed, and our Highest Regards to your Beautiful Lady.
AnaMata RaMuAn
First Cause
Prime Creator Source
mabey someone should look up
" Der Spiegel"magazine dec 2001& check out the front and back cover as one page is the iconistic picture of twin towers
and back cover is Lucky Strike cigarette
addvertisment saying "its toasted"
s.swan
foxhill1@optusnet.com.au
Not to bring up an old subject....but are there going to be any updates on Iapetus?
8/7/05 21:25(UTC) mag. 5.0 earthquake in Qinchai, China... long. 34.7 deg.
Six hours later - mag. 7.6 earthquake in Pakistan... long. 34.2 deg.
Nine hours later - mag. 4.2 quake in San Simeon, CA... long. 35 deg.
Talk about spanning the (spinning) globe...
It is exactly one month since the strong geomagnetic effects of an X17.5 (and other X-class) flare(s) from sunspot 828 (I think) were felt on the earth. Is there any connection? I think so.
Also, go look at this GEOS Electron Flux meter reading, paying especially close attention to when it starts to divebomb... around 21:00 (UTC) on 8/7/05, right near or BEFORE the first quake listed.
http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/noaa_elec_3d.gif?
I just find all of this very interesting, Richard, et.al. and was wondering what you might think about this...
Thanks for all the hidden info you keep bringing to us, and for your courage in this, and good luck...
Jo
Jo's message on 8/7/05 21:25(UTC) with regards to Earthquakes and GEOS Electron Flux meter reading - is very interesting.
Today Sunday Oct. 9, 2005 - I went to http://www.n3kl.org/sun/images/noaa_satenv.gif - and saw the trend he spoke about - but for yesterdays EARTHQUAKE .....
A major earthquake occurred at 03:50:38 (UTC) on Saturday, October 8, 2005. The magnitude 7.6 event has been located in PAKISTAN.
@ 34.402°N, 73.560°E
The Electron Flux goes down dramatically and bottoms just as the EarthQuake is registered.
Mere coincidence?
Interesting!
D
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=93419&ran=182423
All this "hyperdimensional" stuff seems very strange. It feels to me like there is some 4-dimensional aspect to the universe that can cannot understand properly yet.
Seems that astrophysical effects namely gravity and gravity between orbiting and in motion large objects tears openings between our 3-D universe and a 4th dimensional component to it.
Also weird that is very binary i.e. heaven and hell related. Seems like the earth gets "holes" torn into it from time to time to hell and heaven like events are oppositely experienced more as a "radiance".
So maybe there is some way that god radiates positive energy into our world i.e. historical miracles, experiences etc going back to moses, holy spirit after jesus, modern-day mass miracles, unveilings etc..
Wonder if some mathematicall way to show gravity of earth/moon/sun potentially other nearby dark massive objects create these radiant experiences and dark holes?
Hello Richards,
I was expecting something from your side about this Hyperdimensional Earthquake this time on Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where Osama Bin Laden is believed to have been holed up. I know, you must have been aware that was engineered by Americans for failure to catch Osama and also for not being allowed to go after him in Pakistan by their Great friend & key partner Musharraf.
I have a comment and a question about the hyperdimensional control of hurricanes. First of all, I live in the New England area and heard on the radio that Boston's Logan airport had to divert some traffic because of strange things appearing on their radar screens. Does anyone else think that Boston would be a great target for a "random" hurricane? After all, most of the city is already underwater due to all of the tunnels that have been put in.
Second, I want to share my experience with weather control. I was in the 101st Airborne Division stationed at Ft. Campbell KY. A buddy of mine and I were out in the middle of nowhere one rainy night four-wheeling when we came to a big, open field. The field was surrounded by a double layer of chainlink/razor wire fence with lots of signs that said "restricted area". There weren't any guards or anything, just the fence that went all the way around this open field. In the center of the field was a mound of "dirt". It looked like it was just a big overgrown mound of dirt in the middle of this field. It was just after dark. It had just started to thunder storm, and we were just starting to leave, when all of a sudden, that mound of dirt got hit by lightning!! We couldn't believe it. So we stayed a few more minutes talking about how cool that was, when all of a sudden, it got hit again!! So over the next two hours, that mound of "dirt" got struck by lightning 6 times. After that night, whenever there was a thunderstorm, I could look outside in the sky and see lightning in the general area of where this field was. (I have to admit, I was too scared to ever go back there!)
Anyone out there think this is crazy? Well, it gets better. I was looking at one of the satellite images of the hurricanes (can't remember if it was Katrina or Rita) and I noticed that at the same time that the radar anomolies occur, the satellite picture shows a nice little "S" curve of cloud cover that starts at the radar anomoly in the gulf and ends pretty much directly over Ft. Campbell, KY.
If anyone thinks I am crazy, please let me know. Maybe there could be something to this however.
i think that the u.s. can make earthquakes i mean if you look at the evants before new orleans' aug 18 japan has a major earthquake it was 7.2 , and befor that in july thay had the koby quake mayby japan in retaliation for heroshema thay hit new orleans now pakastian has one 7.6 ?
"We are Russian Gremlins...
Up in the skies above...
We send NASA's rocketships
Straight down to the ground.
We like nothing better
Than to mess with Atlas bits
And send their Delta heavies
Down to earth in teeny bits.
The Martian Polar Lander never made it to first base...
Now we'll push that nasty MRO in Goldin's face...
We're here, we're there, we're everywhere, we're in old NASA's hair...
And when they try to find us...we're the little ones who weren't there...we're the little ones who weren't there!"
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