Mars Reconniassance Orbiter: We're On Our Way!
At precisely 7:43 AM EDT this morning -- as Regulus, the "Heart of Leo" ... "Horus"/The Sphinx, in the Egyptian tradition ... was rising above the eastern dawn horizon of Cape Canaveral -- the 2-ton Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) roared aloft on an Atlas 5 rocket into a deep blue Florida sky, to almost immediately disappear toward the southeast ... high above the South Atlantic Ocean on its way to orbit ... and to Mars.
30 minutes later, MRO's second stage Centaur rocket fired for the second time, pushing the spacecraft to Earth escape velocity over northwestern Australia.
Three minutes after engine cutoff, MRO successfully separated from its Centaur upper stage.
And, 20 minutes after that event, the spacecraft had extended two solar panels, measuring 45 feet from tip to tip -- for converting sunlight into on-board electrical power -- and also deployed a 10-foot wide high-gain antenna, through which all future engineering and science data will be returned to Earth at a rate ten times any previous Mars-bound spacecraft.
MRO was on its way to Mars ....
Also unlike any previous unmanned Mars missions, not only is the on-board imaging capability of MRO unprecedented ... but there is also an unprecedented political framework created specifically for this Mission ... to solicit public images during the nominal orbital surveys of this spacecraft! Needless to say, we will be thoroughly testing this unique aspect of the MRO Mission in the months and years ahead ....
What makes this policy position of the MRO Mission so challenging and tantalazing is that, for the first time in the history of the NASA Program, the American People will have a legal framework to challenge any NASA or Principle Investigator, to acquire a specificly requested image! And, subsequently, to challenge the scientific and imaging quality of any images so acquired ... that are "mysteriously" degraded.
This already-in-place political and scientific infrastructure guarantees that "we the People" will FINALLY get to really look at Mars ... or, the full weight of the American legal and media systems will descend on a NASA committment not fulfilled ... asking the embarrassing question "why not!?"
Obviously, Cydonia will be high on our own Enterprise initial target list; knowing what we know about Cydonia ... MRO's unique HiRISE camera (to say nothing of its other instruments' multi-spectral capabilities ...) will finally be able to resolve (literally) the overwhelmingly important question: are there intelligently-designed artifacts on Mars?!
In addition to Cydonia, we will also be requesting high-resolution imaging of scores of other ancient ruins we've identified, in a wide variety of other locations on the planet.
But, to succeed in this major scientific and political effort, we will need the help of all the American People in this historic undertaking -- the folks who've actually paid their $720 million dollars for this latest excercise in "NASA openess and Exploration." Only if they pay close attention to what's occurring with this Mission, and help us both legally and with the media in a year or so from now -- as MRO prepares to enter its formal "science phase" -- will we have ANY chance ... despite any NASA declarations ... of actually getting to see what's REALLY waiting for Humanity on Mars ....
Stay tuned.
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627 Comments:
It is my sincere hope that THIS time NASA/JPL follow through COMPLETELY with their promises. Remember by infamous slogans I keep repeating but need repeating here to the NASA/JPL/MRO family:
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgement of character.
It REALLY is that simple.
JPL PROMISED and RECEIVED extended funding to continue the MAESTRO program:
http://mars.telascience.org/home/
This nifty program allowed one to view the MER rover images in their HI-RES TIF quality data format and also to do 3-D look arounds the rover at each of the stops they made along the way.
It was PROMISED this program would continue through the mission and as long as Rovers remained operable. As you can see from the site they received thier extra funding on April 21, 2004 notice but never bothered with another update until 6 MONTHS later, and that final update was the FINAL update for the public to use this program to access the Rovers' raw data files in HIGH-RES tif format to provide more stunning and clear images than the daily jpegs available through the JPL Rover sites where ONLY these low res and highly compressed data images are available...NOT the highest res tifs and the 3-D data that allows 360 views to be put together by the public user and also to use the spectrographs for mineral identifications.
I say again to the MRO team...
You have MADE some PROMISES. I would hope that your word is better than the word of those who have proceeded you because so far, NASA has NOT done what they said they would do, they have NOT followed the policies and procedures they said they would with respect to the Rovers DESPITE receiving the funding to do so.
I wish NASA would realize that lying to the public is the highest form of treason and their ACTIONS speak for themselves.
Again I remind everyone to remember and let EVERYONE know here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/help.htm
That we only wish NASA would:
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep the policies and promises you do make.
ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgement of character.
It REALLY is that simple.
Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.com
Righard,
I must say it was a beautiful and graceful launch! Perhaps it was the slim presentation of the rocket, but it looked great, those twin rockets firing with closeup shots. I especially like your choice of pictures for today's post.
May the promise of public input bear fruit and bring with it the Cydonia shots that are waiting to be seen!
My my a virgin comment space - I'm thrilled!
Thanks Richard for posting at the end of your previous blog that a new one has been created.
So what's next on the adgenda here? The shuttle went up and came down safely, and MRO finally got away. Is there anything else major upcoming from NASA besides the stuff we - you've been looking into which we should be watching for?
I assume you are going to start focusing on Deep Impact Data release, Iapetus, and somehow proposing a workable plan for getting all this data to be recognized by the Media.
Now if you could only convince Greta Van S to drop her obsession with all things criminal and adopt a simular obsession with all things space ... :)
At last. Now, the fun begins.
Oh, for those interested there are two books out on Atlantis that I found interesting and directly relate to Mars and the "Monuments of Mars". On is called "Atlantis" by David Gibbons and has some interesting archieological theories. The other is "Decipher" by Stel Pavlou, which has a very nice theory that plays into HDp.
-M&P
Don't forget they are sending up this probe in Mercury Retrograde:
Liftoff of the Lockheed Martin Atlas 5 rocket occurred on time this morning 7:43 a.m. EDT (1143 GMT) from Complex 41 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida.
Mars Probe Launch Chart
http://passage11.com/Charts/Mars_Probe.gif
I am not an astrologer, but I know that you do not do launches in Merc retro unless you only intend to show humans how incapable they are, how stupid and to send out a message of incompetance. Then you launch in Mercury retro! The taxpayers are paying a lot of money to be made fools of. It's the best propaganda show on earth ...
The Sabian oracle
19 degree Leo
A HOUSEBOAT PARTY CROWDED WITH REVELERS; THE WATER REFLECTS ITS LIGHTS
Although you are still in a situation of definite structure and form, things may need to be taken from the more mundane, normal routine and given over to fun and unusual possibilities. This is a time for lightening up, relaxing and spending time with like-minded creative individuals.
Emotive social pleasure. Leisure times that are fun and free-floating. Cleopatra style parties. Claustrophobia. Delicate social balances.
The Caution: Trapping people into one's own idea of pleasure. Self indulgence. The need to know 'where' the party is going to be - it may not be moored in reality. A feeling of being 'cast adrift'. Not being able to get off when you want to.
http://www.sabiansymbols.com/
AMEN Robert!
http://www.commonsensecentral.com
The call to Right Conduct.
Its common sense, as Robert represents.
If NASA & Co. are not capable of comprehending what is true Right Conduct in their hearts, then they are on the wrong side of humanity, and will suffer their own natural consequense, called Karma. Yes, its real.
Thanks for the tips, M&P.
If you will allow, tho, the spelling is Gibbins and here is a link to his site:
http://www.davidgibbins.com/
I have not, historically, given much thought or credibility to Atlantis, but have recently read 2 books that were interesting, one was Blueprint of Atlantis by Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath. The other, alas, I cannot remember the title OR the author.
iontruo2,
Thanx not only has NASA not been honest with their policies with the Rovers, but goes back to the MGS MOC and THEMIS also. RCH asked me once to do something about releases etc...:
http://home.thirdage.com/Teaching/rhw007/MOC_THEMIS_promises.htm
http://tinyurl.com/bobpb
As you can see from this thorough study NASA has NEVER EVER lived up to its promises about releasing data to the public.
They also have NEVER made processing the raw data easy and intuitive for the average high school student despite saying they WANT to 'inspire' our youth.
Their ACTIONS tell a different story.
Bob...
I find it incredibly hope inspiring that there is finally a legal accountability regarding information disclosure on this mission... its certainly a step towards what weve been waiting for these long years ....
Unfortunately, my deep sense of jaded cynicism makes me wonder how they intend to circumvent their legal and moral obligations THIS time... but all of us here are certainly ready to push upon them the duty of accountability, right folks?!?
Richard,
I did sign up as a DAG member when the call went out last week, but have received nothing more than an automated confirmation email (which I responded to) ... can you give brief clarification as to how tasks will be assigned? ... will we get emails when help is required? should we be checking in somewhere (the DAG site is pretty ambiguous)? Just in general, how do we get it done?
Thanks again, and even though I only post when I feel I can add something new, it may please you to know that my entire office is lurking here all the time :)
Chuck C said...
>I find it incredibly hope inspiring that there is finally a legal accountability regarding information disclosure on this mission... its certainly a step towards what weve been waiting for these long years ....
>Unfortunately, my deep sense of jaded cynicism makes me wonder how they intend to circumvent their legal and moral obligations THIS time... but all of us here are certainly ready to push upon them the duty of accountability, right folks?!?
>Richard,
>I did sign up as a DAG member when the call went out last week, but have received nothing more than an automated confirmation email (which I responded to) ... can you give brief clarification as to how tasks will be assigned? ... will we get emails when help is required? should we be checking in somewhere (the DAG site is pretty ambiguous)? Just in general, how do we get it done?
>Thanks again, and even though I only post when I feel I can add something new, it may please you to know that my entire office is lurking here all the time :)<
We are developing the final "Away Team tasks" even as I write. I will be reviewing those in the next day or so, now that we've gotten ALL the "immediate" action items out of the way, so expect to receive specific task assignments soon after. In the meantime, enjoy your rest! :)
Obviously, because I SHARE your "cynicism" on this MRO "public imaging issue," one of those immediate tasks is going to be a specific call for "well-motivated lawyers." :)
We could make history in MANY ways with that ....
Stay tuned.
P.S. Everyone go back and look once again at my latest "Captain's Blog." I added something -- just so everyone will KNOW what's at stake from here on it .... :)
Sorry for the delay in thanking Richard and Massimo for the sites! I'm deep into my homework. I do have a question for you all based upon my independant observations prior to discovery of TEM, and here it is;
Isn't it strange that the President's new initiative to return to the moon and mars coincide with (to me anyway) the inescapable evidence that there is life on mars? If there is a fossil record, if there is water and if there had been all the same geological conditions there as on our planet 65 million years ago...is there oil as well? I'm not as solid on the mechanics of space travel as you folks are, but my antennae went up a long time ago.
Just a thought, back to my homework :)
Asteroid with two moons.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0810_050810_tripleasteroid.html
Captured objects? Yah, I sink zo.
I just hope this mission puts to rest all this "Mars Stuff" one way or another.
TenAlp
neo2005,
If you remember that the first thing out of the mouth of our esteemed Vice President when informed that Saddam had been found at the bottom of a hole was "Is there OIL in that hole?" (joke!), I think your question is valid.
The greatest motivation for this administration is oil....energy!
Remember the move Total Recall?
From :http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/archive-2003c.htm
Let me also point out that Arnie's movie Total Recall, which is largely about Mars (needless to say, very much relevant to the present time), involves in its storyline a powerful company ('Rekall, Inc.') cutting off the air/water (or energy) supply to the Martian colony. Well, do you see a curious parallel emerging here?
If one considers the potentiality for Peak Oil, there IS a parallel.
Adam said...
'Do you guys really think they can land with such specific precision. [...] They cant possible predict all the drag and other elements that would throw the landing time table off even by a few minutes.'
Can you find any data to support and/or quantify your assertion? Predicted flight times versus actual flight times, or something along those lines? I agree that atmospheric turbulence should add some variability, but the question is how much? 10 minutes? 30 seconds? This is a 100 ton brick dropping out of orbit, it might not be as affected by wind speeds as we think. Then again, I'm not an aerospace engineer.
However I DO have a strong math and logic background, and the fact of the matter is they DID land at a time which produced a numerical alignment that is extraordinarily unlikely to have occurred by pure chance.
Even if the minutes WERE off (and by some accounts the landing was at 8:11, not 8:12, which produces a flight time of 333:32) it is still a remarkable alignment from a statistical perspective, especially when you start taking into account other correlating items, like a $333M budget.
I've read accounts of NASA's use of numerological symbolism before, but frankly never put too much stock in them. This mission finally convinced me "beyond reasonable doubt". Your mileage may vary.
Sorry, the $333M budget was for Deep Impact, not the Shuttle mission. But it is still an interesting correlation.
> SunKing said...
neo2005,
If you remember that the first thing out of the mouth of our esteemed Vice President when informed that Saddam had been found at the bottom of a hole was "Is there OIL in that hole?" (joke!), I think your question is valid.
The greatest motivation for this administration is oil....energy!
Remember the move Total Recall?
From :http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/archive-2003c.htm
Let me also point out that Arnie's movie Total Recall, which is largely about Mars (needless to say, very much relevant to the present time), involves in its storyline a powerful company ('Rekall, Inc.') cutting off the air/water (or energy) supply to the Martian colony. Well, do you see a curious parallel emerging here?
If one considers the potentiality for Peak Oil, there IS a parallel.
12/8/05 12:18 PM<
I didn't even DARE to think that, but ...
... the starship Nostromo in "Alien" was a refinery factory;
and many times looking at those Mars pictures I found myself guessing, what if those black spots looking like dark fluid where just oil filtering out of the soil? How can all this be real? It would explain A WHOLE LOT of things.
TenAlp said...
I just hope this mission puts to rest all this "Mars Stuff" one way or another.
Whaddya mean by "puts to rest"?
And WHY?
Outstanding. How long until it reaches my home? I cant wait to capture it so you earthlings cant see me. lol. Remember that one mission that "disappeared" a few years back. I hope this one doesnt go this way as well. Id really like to see some really cool images this time.
Godspeed to the Orbiter. I can hardly wait to see high res pictures of Mars. Artifacts or not, they will be breathtaking to behold.
Like many of you, I have spent untold hours pooring over Mars photos in the past. Looks like I will have to stock up on coffee and energy drinks for the long nights to come when the data starts flowing back across space.
Anyone heading out in the wee dark hours of the morning to watch the Perseids?
Heh, Adam... I think we all have had this thought. All that great hardware just going dark on us, for one reason or another.
sunking
cool portrait. thanks for pointing out use of time stamp as means of 'numbering' the comments. Helps a lot to find my place each time visit. aloha, uni
Hey Richard,
I have just gotten into all of this mars stuff here very recently. My interast sparked when my uncle gave me a recorded show of Art Bell you did and you had my interest. I read your book have been to your web site and im convinced that there is something on that planet that is not natural. I have showed my firends the pictuers in your book and they are just as interesed as I am now and they are all browing my book so they can read it. Just wanted to say keep up the good work and i think all of your hard work will pay off with this new probe.
iontru, thanks for piece re your dad & ufo. Still, who knows whether the craft's pilots are ET or black ops ? My opinion is that there are both. Ancient evidence of ET seems to be lying around under every other rock. Uh-oh, I just heard an ET de-bunker thinking; nah, all that ancient stuff was planted by time-travelin black ops guys.... :) (joking now) Long term disinfo operations. I'll try your blogger email again :) aloha, uni
Uni,
Only too glad to be of service.
It is a cool pic...was looking for a sunburst face to go with my moniker and grabbed this from some school site up north...Michigan, Wisconsin? I dunno. Like a middle or high school, so I assume some very talented young adult created it. I stole it.
Soon, I'll paint one of my own and use that!
Peace!
>pif said:Unipax, unipax, oh what will we do with you?
Well the first thing is get another ISP and trash AOL :) <
Well put pif , thanks :)
I'm workin on it.
aloha , uni :)
ps: harumph.
hey, btw, what is 'IMHO' please, ?
who is greta van s. ?
I missed it somewhere, I guess... what is this DAG? Thanks!
unipax:
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
Greta Van S = Greta Van Sustern on Fox News Channel
For a list of abbeviations, etc:
http://mindandpen.blogspot.com/2005/08/laws-appreviations-sayings-and-other.html
For Greta: http://www.foxnews.com
-M&P
Unipax, Hi
appreciate your comment, I checked and tested the e-mail tag in my profile and it brings up the address and a Word window. Sorry its not jiving for you. Let me know, o.k.? Btw check Pif's story in reply to mine, in previous post!
Pif, hey!
That was a very intersting personal account of a sighting. That was you?
That is profound as a direct observation. Thanks for sharing that.
For anyone visiting here that has not seen the information which explains ritual alignments, priesthood, and THE NUMBERS, this can help;
neo2005 said...
>It took a while, over 6 weeks of watching and learning, but you guys finally have me hooked. Richard I'm new to all this so if you or someone else could repost the research history into the 333 phenomenon so I can get up to speed I would be most grateful. Thanks guys, you've opened the eyes of a very amateur space nut!<
(Richard replies): Welcome aboard .... :)
The best place to begin is where WE began ... so many years ago.
Initially as unbelieving as everyone else, that such "rituals" could be occurring inside our most "scientific" and "future-oriented" Agency, a decade of following this data -- and documenting time and time again NASA's astonishing "ritual" behavior -- has convinced me that we are, indeed, dealing with a SECRET "priesthood" ... masquarading as a respectable, world-class "scientific and engineering institution."
Does this mean that MOST NASA scientists, managers and employees are aware of what's been going on in this regard?
NO!
That's perhaps the most unbelievable aspect of this entire arcane "plan" -- that it is being carried out under the very noses of those who MAKE it happen ... the literally thousands of NASA scientists and engineers themselves!
But, as with any "compartmentalized" organization, the "this COULDN'T BE HAPPENING here!!" has played a major role in continuing to allow it to ACTUALLY happen ....
So -- begin a two-part intro, here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/kennedy1.html
Then go here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/oh_my_god.htm
And then here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm
And here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm
And, to wind up your Phase One education in "NASA Rituals and Hidden Agendas 101," go here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/table_of_coincidence.htm
Others here at Enterprise will have additional suggestions I'm sure, drawn from our last ~20 years of extensive, multi-disciplinary research in to the REAL "NASA" ....
The culmination of this extraordinary "hidden NASA" is the ending of the latest "Return to Flight" soap opera ... EXACTLY 333 hours, 33 minutes after it took off.
WHAT are these people up to??!!
Richard,
Do we have any indication of exactly where the scientists themselves are wanting to look? Anywhere near where we want to look?
Unipax:
Here is a better source of internet acronym info.
http://www.acronymfinder.com/
Cut and paste the link.
Please learn up on internet protocol. Your good information will be presented much more effectively. I am talking mainly about using the simple HTML tags advertised directly above the leave your comments box.
Best wishes
Y'all have a great weekend....I'm outta here!
Sorry for the bulk of material, but I thought some of you might like to see what the NEOCON vision for space and cyberwarfare looks like, straight from the horses mouth. The following is a section from pages 56 and 57 of "Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century". As is obvious from the title, this is a PNAC presentation:
"To ensure America's control of space in the near term, the minimum requirements
are to develop a robust capability to
transport systems to space, carry on
operations once there, and service and
recover space systems as needed. As
outlined by Space Command, carrying out
this program would include a mix of reuseable
and expendable launch vehicles and
vehicles that can operate within space,
including “space tugs to deploy,
reconstitute, replenish, refurbish, augment,
and sustain" space systems. But, over the
longer term,
maintaining
control of
space will
inevitably
require the
application
of force both
in space and
from space,
including but
not limited
to antimissile
defenses and
defensive
systems
capable of protecting U.S. and allied
satellites; space control cannot be sustained
in any other fashion, with conventional land,
sea, or airforce, or by electronic warfare.
This eventuality is already recognized by
official U.S. national space policy, which
states that the “Department of Defense shall
maintain a capability to execute the mission
areas of space support, force enhancement,
space control and force application.”
(Emphasis added.)
In sum, the ability to preserve American
military preeminence in the future will rest
in increasing measure on the ability to
operate in space militarily; both the
requirements for effective global missile
defenses and projecting global conventional
military power demand it. Unfortunately,
neither the Clinton Administration nor past
U.S. defense reviews have established acoherent policy and program for achieving
this goal.
Ends and Means of Space Control
As with defense spending more broadly,
the state of U.S. “space forces” – the
systems required to ensure continued access
and eventual control of space – has
deteriorated over the past decade, and few
new initiatives or programs are on the
immediate horizon. The U.S. approach to
space has been one of dilatory drift. As
Gen. Richard Myers, commander-in-chief of
SPACECOM, put it, “Our Cold War-era
capabilities have atrophied,” even though
those capabilities are still important today.
And while Space Command has a clear
vision of what must be done in space, it
speaks equally clearly about “the question of
resources.” As the command succinctly
notes its long-range plan: “When we match
the reality of space dependence against
resource trends, we find a problem.”
But in addition to the problem of lack of
resources, there is an institutional problem.
Indeed, some of the difficulties in
maintaining U.S. military space supremacy
result from the bureaucratic “black hole”
that prevents the SPACECOM vision from
gaining the support required to carry it out.
For one, U.S. military space planning
remains linked to the ups and downs of the
National Aeronautics and Space
Administration. America’s difficulties in
reducing the cost of space launches –
perhaps the single biggest hurdle to
improving U.S. space capabilities overall –
result in part from the requirements and
dominance of NASA programs over the past
several decades, most notably the space
shuttle program. Secondly, within the
national security bureaucracy, the majority
of space investment decisions are made by
the National Reconnaissance Office and the
Air Force, neither of which considers
military operations outside the earth's
atmosphere as a primary mission. And there
is no question that in an era of tightenedbudgets, investments in space-control
capabilities have suffered for lack of
institutional support and have been squeezed
out by these organization’s other priorities.
Although, under the Goldwater-Nichols
reforms of the mid-1980s, the unified
commanders – of which SPACECOM is one
– have a greater say in Pentagon
programming and budgeting, these powers
remain secondary to the traditional “raiseand-
train” powers of the separate services.
Therefore, over the long haul, it will be
necessary to unite the essential elements of
the current SPACECOM vision to the
resource-allocation and institution-building
responsibilities of a military service. In
addition, it is almost certain that the conduct
of warfare in outer space will differ as much
from traditional air warfare as air warfare
has from warfare at sea or on land; space
warfare will demand new organizations,
operational strategies, doctrines and training
schemes. Thus, the argument to replace
U.S. Space Command with U.S. Space
Forces – a separate service under the
Defense Department – is compelling. While
it is conceivable that, as military space
capabilities develop, a transitory “Space
Corps” under the Department of the Air
Force might make sense, it ought to be
regarded as an intermediary step, analogous
to the World War II-era Army Air Corps,
not to the Marine Corps, which remains a
part of the Navy Department. If space
control is an essential element for
maintaining American military preeminence
in the decades to come, then it will be
imperative to reorganize the Department of
Defense to ensure that its institutional
structure reflects new military realities.
Cyberpace, or ‘Net-War’
If outer space represents an emerging
medium of warfare, then “cyberspace,” and
in particular the Internet hold similar
promise and threat. And as with space,
access to and use of cyberspace and the
Internet are emerging elements in globalcommerce, politics and power. Any nation
wishing to assert itself globally must take
account of this other new “global
commons.”
The Internet is also playing an
increasingly important role in warfare and
human political conflict. From the early use
of the Internet by Zapatista insurgents in
Mexico to the war in Kosovo, communication
by computer has added a new
dimension to warfare. Moreover, the use of
the Internet to spread computer viruses
reveals how easy it can be to disrupt the
normal functioning of commercial and even
military computer networks. Any nation
which cannot assure the free and secure
access of its citizens to these systems will
sacrifice an element of its sovereignty and
its power.
Although many concepts of “cyber-war”
have elements of science fiction about them,
and the role of the Defense Department in
establishing “control,” or even what
“security” on the Internet means, requires a
consideration of a host of legal, moral and
political issues, there nonetheless will
remain an imperative to be able to deny
America and its allies' enemies the ability to
disrupt or paralyze either the military's or
the commercial sector's computer networks.
Conversely, an offensive capability could
offer America's military and political leaders
an invaluable tool in disabling an adversary
in a decisive manner.
Taken together, the prospects for space
war or “cyberspace war” represent the truly
revolutionary potential inherent in the notion
of military transformation. These future
forms of warfare are technologically
immature, to be sure. But, it is also clear
that for the U.S. armed forces to remain
preeminent and avoid an Achilles Heel in
the exercise of its power they must be sure
that these potential future forms of warfare
favor America just as today’s air, land and
sea warfare reflect United States military
dominance.
Just reading a story about the ESA's Cluster Mission and a recent discovery of micro vortices in the Earth's Magnetosphere.
Perhaps its well known already but it stood out for me that the formation flying of choice in this unique scenario is four satelites in a TETRAHEDRAL pattern.
Just a thought...
Have all the images from previous missions to Mars been released? Just wondering because if NASA wants to be so open they could start by releasing anything that they have not yet released.
Iontruo2,
Yep that was me - fresh out of the spray-brine - putting the frozen sockeye to bed. I climbed out, lit up, looked out toward the horizon to regain my distance vision and to see if there were any jumpers outside of us - there it was.
Did you find the link to PIF I left in the first comments in the first blog?
tempelmaster333
You could have removed all the carriage reurns and seperated the paras, but Rebuilding America's Defenses - sounds good to me. Or are you arguing the mil is evil and needs to go away? Or are you content to allow China and Russia to claim the same territory, absent our mil?
Richard,
you said go back to last blog but I saw nothing new. Went back to blog before that (Return to Flight ... Coming Home - Updated 8/9) and you had posted a reply on the object formerly known as an asteroid of dubious origin. Is that the post you are refering to?
Richard,
Oh my bad - I see what you meant - the part you added about reflectivity. I fell 14 trees today cut into firewood in 86 deg heat so am a bit rhummy. begging all pardons
That was me PIF not anon
thanks ion.
funny, that. When I click on your email at your blog, your email address appears in my 'write mail' window.
( www.*********@hotmail.com )
However, after I send, it comes back marked 'user unknown'. hhmmm ...
I'll try it without the www.
aloha, uni
pif,
While it is conceivable that I could be just a tad off the mark, I think Richard meant for us to re-read his most recent (Fri, 8/12, on MRO) blog about new framework for legal action.
Thanks again for your assistance back there. Hope you are drinking plenny water out in that 86* heat :)
uni
Drank at lest 2 qts otj and one after, before the NY stake and another just finished - thanks for asking.
Richard,
I am a new blogger, but a long time listener. I have been looking at the Deep Impact jpegs that are available from JPL, and my first impression is that the pictures of the approaching impact are upsidedown.
In the shot taken 20 seconds before impact,
http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/jpg/wipeout.jpg
I clearly see a sculture of a cat.
It is above the large white area on the left side of the picture about a fourth of the way down. This is if you look at the picture flipped 180 degrees from the way it was published on JPL site.
It is a standing cat arching its tail straight up and over its back. The cat's head and two ears are very clear to me. Of course I am an artist and not a scientist.
Thanks for the E-Prise Mission and the Captain's Blog
A little more than 6 hours until Coast to Coast is on. I'm really interested to hear what Linda Moulton Howe has gotten. Hopefully, she'll have some good stuff for us to chew on.
The military's assessment of our space capabilities seems spot on to me. Deteriorating. It's a crying shame that there is not more emphasis placed on space by our government.
The economic gains from the crumbs NASA would be allowed to create would mean jobs, new technology and new products. For Congress that means more votes for incumbents.
Money talks. Maybe that's the tack that we should take in getting more attention to development.
Whatever the reasons for our slowdown with the development of space, we've done more to hurt the US and the world by keeping new developments from ever occuring.
The material contained on your site, seems to evade the facts regarding current civilization on Mars. Ruins are one thing, but there appears to be highly complex, intact infrastructure on and below the surface.
http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7436/mardonmega5lc.jpg
We got neighbours.
Image by 6sides.
bubba hyde,
Hear Hear!!
Excelent! If you listened to the Moon to Mars hearings - not only would all you relate occur and was testified to, but because of the intense demands k-12 education would have to dramatically improve - math, all the sciences & the stuff that counts. All the edu crap would have to jetisoned - hey they might even reach the same standards the US had in the 50s-60s! But most importantly, a completely new industry would be created. An industry which would dwarf the aerospace industry at its height. No other country would have it - plentiful high paying jobs & professions would once again be American.
But
While money talks it depends on who's doing the spending - I can't tell you how many people say that the money would be better spent on the homelessworldpovertyaids and so on. They go on to say NASA budget should be cut or the agency eliminated altogether - hey, a recently failed vice-president canidate had that as his #1 priority. There are a lot of powerful political people lined up in opostion - because they want the money for their own agendas.
It will take political will, and there is little at present, but moreover, it will take admin-to-admin sustained political will to achieve Moon to Mars.
Only somethng VERY dramatic will stir the public to throw off their lassitude and the sightless politicians and go full speed on Moon to Mars.
unipax,
Email addresses never use www. at the start.
>bubba hyde said...
A little more than 6 hours until Coast to Coast is on. I'm really interested to hear what Linda Moulton Howe has gotten. Hopefully, she'll have some good stuff for us to chew on. <
As our good friend wisely and cyptically :) pointed out, Linda Moulton Howe, bless her righteous heart, (and anyone for that matter) could be fed disinformation for us to chew on.
In light of this, we might wanna consider fasting. Or, if we do partake, maybe plan on purging after dining.
I traded in my tin foil hat. I upgraded to the new and stylish disinformation
filtration helmet and, importantly, waders.
aloha, uni
ps bubba; if you haven't read up on it, Richard's basic info pages are:
1. http://www.enterprisemission.com/kennedy1.html
2. http://www.enterprisemission.com/oh_my_god.htm
3. http://www.enterprisemission.com/isis.htm
4. http://www.enterprisemission.com/mco.htm
5. http://www.enterprisemission.com/table_of_coincidence.htm
PIF said...
unipax,
Email addresses never use www. at the start. <
pifster,
I knew something was fishy.
got it. :)
Actually, I did know that. Just did not notice it until re-checking his email link :)
That is one of 3 or 4 things I've grasped online. Did I mention how thrilling was my discovery of click & drag? Yee-ha! :)
uni
Are you & the trees & the sockeye in the great northwest somewhere?
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Umipax said,
"my discovery of click & drag?"
Been doing that since 89... Glad that M$ finally brought you something new which was in use for 15 years on another platform. You'll be positively thrilled when M$ shorthorn er longhorn er Vista brings you things from only 6 years ago - oh wait you'll have to buy a new computer to enjoy it tee hee
pif,
I agree. It is a certain shame and a crime that leaders have no real vision but are more interested in winning another term. What our "leaders" forget is that when your society is better educated they are better paid which elevates not only the well educated but those at the bottom as well.
unipax,
I'm concerned about disinfo too. My guess is that we will get no real information other than a few crumbs thrown our way that will only serve to frustrate us further. No offense to Linda as she's only reporting what she's been given. I'm hope I'm wrong tho' and we get a treasure chest full of information and some real data to examine.
PS. Thanks for those links, I had them in an open document earlier and we had a power outage during an afternoon thunderstorm. Gale force winds on my 25 year old windows were a cause for concern LOL.
unipax said...
6sides said:
>The material contained on your site, seems to evade the facts regarding current civilization on Mars. Ruins are one thing, but there appears to be highly complex, intact infrastructure on and below the surface.
http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7436/mardonmega5lc.jpg
We got neighbours. <
6 sides, looks like urban roadmap. What can you add about that photo? Like, where on mars?
ps: maybe our blogger holds some cards.
uni
Richard:
Are you really the reincarnation of Rudolph Tafel?
ROFLMAO
http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Tafel-Hoagland/
Excerpt: Like Tafel, Hoagland is a natural scholar. Hoagland became the space-science curator of a small, New England museum/planetarium, much like Tafel became a librarian. Just as Tafel quickly advanced to become the chair of a university department by age 31, Hoagland catapulted to become a science advisor to CBS News and the legendary news anchor, Walter Cronkite.
Tafel and Hoagland have the common trait of revering science. Tafel made a point to translate Swedenborg’s scientific works, including Swedenborg’s study of the central nervous system, which was entitled, The Brain. Swedenborg also had a passion for astronomy and he was the first to forward the nebular hypothesis of the universe’s creation. This is consistent with Mr. Hoagland’s interest in space exploration.
(...)
Accordingly, I asked Ahtun Re, the spirit guide channeled through Ahtun Re, whether perhaps Richard Hoagland lived on Mars, in a past incarnation, in an ancient civilization. Ahtun Re told me that this was true, that Mr. Hoagland had once lived on Mars, and that he participated in the society, the civilization, that he is so drawn to prove existed in a distant time.
pif, re the www thing,
I omitted 'thank you'
I'd like to know more re 'shorthorn er longhorn er Vista' and about what computer I need.
But not here. I'm off topic enough as it is. I'll work on putting my email link on my blog.
In which case, I might as well put it here :) But, won't.
uni
bubba hyde,
The problen with "What our 'leaders' forget is that when your society is better educated they are better paid which elevates not only the well educated but those at the bottom as well." is that the better educated a society is the less power and control politicans have. Socailists on either side of the isle do not want to have a better educated populace - as they do not want any standards in either education, language or the social areas - everything is negotiable, everything is a shade of grey and so on. - only the socialist elite know what is best for us. In that vien, Justice Kennedy said today that juries are virtually unnecessary because they "are too easily swayed by emotion [such as the sight of the condition of the victim's body, the murder weapon. e.g.] in capital cases which should be decided rationally on only the facts" [but that qually applies to all other cases]. Thus the new paradigim is: only the rational elite can make such decisions. The self-styled elite are all socialists. They do not want us to know what is going on anywhere - including space - it's for your own good [really?]. The Brookings Report is a perfect example of early thinking in this vein.
pif said;
>They do not want us to know what is going on anywhere - including space - it's for your own good [really?]. The Brookings Report is a perfect example of early thinking in this vein.<
Yup, here here. Plus
Brookings works great for slamming on the old kyebosh (sp?) from the outset.
I like the flip side of Brookings.
It says:
"We can handle it. Let's uncap energy technology and consciousness simultaneously (Those two are one, IMHO,). It's OK to shake things up around here".
uni
ps: How is 'kyebosh' properly spelled, please? Always wanted to know that.
Richard,
As though you're weblog experiment wasn't wildly successful ENOUGH, it is now simmering into the "main course", and I gotta tell you, congratulations are in order! :)
This latest blog post is like getting to the lucious sizzling steak, after having enjoyed a fine salad and soup-dejour!
Please continue the fine work.
Pif, Hi
your comment: Did you find the link to PIF I left in the first comments in the first blog?
Not sure what you mean? I guess that means no I didn't.
Could you repeat?
Btw: 14 trees?! serious effort!
sounds like BC life, with salmon and trees.
kibosh
Thelema,
Perhaps Richard Hoagland is just "A Stranger in a Strange Land".
I played out a metaphor earlier of the Noah syndrome relating to him, except this time more than a few people are listening.
Anyway just a little frivolity. :)
Yet you draw some interesting points in your connection. Past life is hard to clarify but that is a good insight, maybe more to realize.
The neo-cons have been waging war on Social Sciences and Economics since the 1960s. In fact, I think the 'danger' of people understanding society is what brought the neo-cons together under Reagan, isn't it ?
Economics should be taught in Junior High School ... instead it's not taught until University.
Pif,
you said: Thus the new paradigim is: only the rational elite can make such decisions. The self-styled elite are all socialists. They do not want us to know what is going on anywhere - including space
I liked that reference to the "rational elite" it felt almost like an oxymoron!
Pardon me,more frivolity! seemed kind of funny. :)
hey iontru02,
How'm I doing with email?
Did you get one from me? I tried one without the www that precedes your address after I click on your email link. Thius time it did not bounce back like the others.
I had some 'off topic' thoughts for you.
uni
piffer,
I, too wish to know of this aforementioned pif link, if you would be so kind.
uni
> Are you really the reincarnation of Rudolph Tafel? <
Funny how reicarnation buffs always tie themselves or others to notable or famous people of times' past. Never average Joes of history. Likewise with channelers... they always channel famous/well-known 'beings', like Athun Re. Reminds me of all the new-ager ladies who think they are the reicarnated Isis, Cleopatra, etc.... never just an average citizen of old or ancient times. I don't even think Tafel and Hoagland look alike; just similar poses. I disagree with the similarities this person imply between Hoagland and Tafel.
This is a great blog, but it's sad to see every thread becoming a Bush/"NeoCon" bash-fest by post 20.
Can we please stay on topic and keep the politics to the political blogs?
pif,
You are sadly correct. Keep 'em dumb and they follow along. That's why cattle and sheep herd easily. Knowledge is indeed power.
I guess the only thing idealism and realism have in common is the "E" and the "A".
You all are wrong about Hoagland.
He is the reincarnation of Da Vinci.
No kidding. No joke.
Unipax,
Most of this comment space is wayyyy off the MRO topic.
ooh they've just cut more 'features' and not even to beta yet - wonder what will be left at the end of 06 when it is released? This stopped looking like a new os a while back and began to look like service pack 3 - now more like sp2.5 But hey, take heart there are already viri out there chewing away! See your future (and others' past):
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx
If I were the stock buying sort I begin to invest heavily in Norton, Macifee et al.
Of course this ??os?? will arrive just shortly after Tiger fades into Leopard on 4ghz multicore low power intel cpus to be announced later this week. (visit your local apple store). Shameless plug.
Yes once apon a time I lived and fished 30 yrs (logged, dug clams, picked oysters, and even picked brush for a while) in the PNW, but alas life happened, and now in Chicago area starting over with no fish - just some skinny wood weeds they call trees hereabouts.
For all those who click thru - have fun hope you like satire and fish = oh those into history might wanna look at Time Lines - a Short History of the World - just the highlites 4.6bya to 2005
brian c said...
>>Adam said...
'Do you guys really think they can land with such specific precision. [...] They cant possible predict all the drag and other elements that would throw the landing time table off even by a few minutes.'<<
>Can you find any data to support and/or quantify your assertion? Predicted flight times versus actual flight times, or something along those lines? I agree that atmospheric turbulence should add some variability, but the question is how much? 10 minutes? 30 seconds? This is a 100 ton brick dropping out of orbit, it might not be as affected by wind speeds as we think. Then again, I'm not an aerospace engineer.
>However I DO have a strong math and logic background, and the fact of the matter is they DID land at a time which produced a numerical alignment that is extraordinarily unlikely to have occurred by pure chance.
>Even if the minutes WERE off (and by some accounts the landing was at 8:11, not 8:12, which produces a flight time of 333:32) it is still a remarkable alignment from a statistical perspective, especially when you start taking into account other correlating items, like a $333M budget.
>I've read accounts of NASA's use of numerological symbolism before, but frankly never put too much stock in them. This mission finally convinced me "beyond reasonable doubt". Your mileage may vary.<
If you go through the official NASA timeline for this Mission, you will find the most remarkable collection of specific, RELATED numbers (related ceremonially and mathematically, but NOT physically!) -- centering on "33."
What would be fascinating, for a statistician, would be to take those numbers and do an actual statistical analysis ... regarding the odds that they could ALL be associated on ONE Mission ... "by chance." (We did this some years ago, for a range of NASA missions, but this would represent a different level of analysis -- focusing on the odds of all these specific, related numbers coming together in ONE NASA undertaking ....)
In terms of your characterization of Discovery's return as a "100-ton brick": you're absolutely right:
99% of the return is simply dropping out of orbit on a highly-controlled trajectory ... influenced solely by gravity. Even the so-called "S-turns" -- those large, sweeping trajectory reversals in the atmosphere, to drain energy from the returning Shuttle so it can reduce speed for a safe landing on the runway -- are carefully programmed down to fractions of a SECOND!
So, yes, the landing was literally within SECONDS of the advertised time ... and MOSTt of that return was under computer control. Only about the last three minutes (another "3" ...) was under control by Eileen Collins. And, in that "streamlined brick," only the last-second "flare" above the runway -- when the Discovery raised its nose and dropped its landing gear seconds before touchdown -- really affected the previously, carefully set timeline for reentry ... and then by only a few SECONDS.
So, yes, the level of precision implied by the official "333 hours, 33 minutes ..." for Discovery's return was well within the flight characteristics of the Shuttle!
And, as I said earlier, NASA could ALWAYS "fudge" those pesky last few seconds ... if they had to. :)
The reasoning BEHIND this repeated "ritual numerology," on the other hand -- in mission after mission (like, this morning's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter launch!) -- is what's REALLY disturbing here ....
"rational elite" it felt almost like an oxymoron!"
Well in a way it is but that's how they think of themselves - makes no sence to me either but then I'm just crazy ... er ... eccentric...
Maybe the repeated "ritual numerology" in all the missions is an indication that their 'message' is going without a reply? Maybe it isn't us that need be disturbed by the repetition, but them?
Hitman said...
>I have just gotten into all of this mars stuff here very recently. My interast sparked when my uncle gave me a recorded show of Art Bell you did and you had my interest. I read your book have been to your web site and im convinced that there is something on that planet that is not natural. I have showed my firends the pictuers in your book and they are just as interesed as I am now and they are all browing my book so they can read it. Just wanted to say keep up the good work and i think all of your hard work will pay off with this new probe.<
If we ALL hang together on this one, we will .... :)
opa-opa said...
This is a great blog, but it's sad to see every thread becoming a Bush/"NeoCon" bash-fest by post 20.
Can we please stay on topic and keep the politics to the political blogs?
The topic is ... Mars Reconnaissance. The source of the funds ? The public !
That makes Mars political.
I checked out your site and you might be surprised to find that your post "do girls really like (fellatio)" is also political in its own little way.
Jayson said...
>Do we have any indication of exactly where the scientists themselves are wanting to look? Anywhere near where we want to look?<
The whole planet. And so are we .... :)
"PIF said...
tempelmaster333
You could have removed all the carriage reurns and seperated the paras, but Rebuilding America's Defenses - sounds good to me. Or are you arguing the mil is evil and needs to go away? Or are you content to allow China and Russia to claim the same territory, absent our mil? "
I'm so glad it was good for you ! It would also be good for ME if all three of the above mentioned parties shared space on a competitive basis. Since evil seems to be pretty well distributed among the different cultures these days, making sure that they stay at each other's throats (I believe it was referred to as "detente" in the good old cold war) may keep things in one piece until we can sort out the offending elements in the various leaderships and bring them together on the same gallows. The point of my posting all of this mess is to show the UNILATERAL THINKING of these foreign inspired (by a certain small middle eastern country) NEOCONS who direct policy making at the highest levels of our government.If you read carefully, you will notice that they consider NASA to be something that is in their way! I would think that would be a piece of info that is very relevant to the current blog. I hope my position is clear.
Sorry about the carriage returns. I will take pains to work them out next time.
peace.
Hi Skipper,
I'm feeling the roller coast effect. Part of the mission cycles, eh? Something like periods of boredom separated by adrenaline rushes.
Not to mention job 1.
aloha, c
SO we can see launch and flight schedules but they don't release a priority list for the sites of first interest? Too revealing, showing which are prefered for investigation, perhaps?
How can they avoid or delay the Cydonia story? Its almost too big a story for them now to simply brush off and negate or skip over. This will surely be a good test as the pressure is on and it is up on them to share and allow public input. Will ESA steal the show and win the public encouragement? It is a choice opportunity for the European Space Agency to demonstrate clarity and communicate data and results. Show NASA how it is done right.
Public support = more budget
right conduct conducts rightly
Hey Richard - speaking of 'ancient sites' to be imaged by new MRO - do you have a central location where we can view...and contribute our own findings for further imaging? I hope the black pyramids array is high on the list...and are you familiar with the 'underground entrance' that I sent to Michael Bara some time back? I think these are 'smoking gun' images, everybody I show them to, even the most skeptic, are shocked and can't believe they aren't on the front page of every paper/website/tv news boadcast. Randy in
NM Mountains - www.TIJERANDY@aol.com
Repeating my question from earlier today (since it hasn't been answered yet)...
>I missed it somewhere, I guess... what is this DAG?<
We are grateful to have Richard C. Hoagland to represent the world community most interested in learning about Mars. He represents those who wonder about the Face, the Tubes and Sir Arthur's strange Banyan Trees.
Financial contributions will be need to carry on effective work. Talk is the cheapest important element, but can only go so far.
Lead on, Captain.
room322.com
I wanted to believe that the structures on the Cydonia region were artificial, and even maintained that belief until a few years ago. I hope the MRO will be able to shed new light on the region. Wait and see.
See http://liberalhill.blogspot.com for my personal posting about Cydonia.
Richard, I need your help
From FilmBaby.com on my recent attempt to purchase your GOD, MAN and ET DVD (order #: 517) over two weeks ago:
"This has been a bunch of headaches :) I dont know who Richard used to make the DVD's but they are just raking him over the coals.
They were shipped for headquarters Today i was told in NM and should be here early next week.
I will ship this out to you FEDEX as soon as it comes for all the troubles. We never have this problem because we keep all inventory in-house, but for Richard, he has just had one problem after another in the printing of these DVD's
Thanks for your paitence
Jamie"
Can you get this straight cause I would really like to watch this DVD of yours :)
Thanks
I check in once a week or so to see if you have yet gotten rid of that sucky UREADABLE white text on the black background. I don't bother trying to read your site -- I gave up long ago. I thought that maybe sanity would prevail with the blog. I guess not. Where does this idea that white text on black is the "kewl" color scheme? You will note that most web sites that are really interested in readership and/or doing business have dark text against light backgrounds. What is YOUR objective? "Kewl", "mysterious", or READABLE?
`Sir Arthur's strange Banyan Trees' are neither trees nor positive topographic relief-features of any kind - they are dendritic gully networks.
PIF said...
>You said go back to last blog but I saw nothing new. Went back to blog before that (Return to Flight ... Coming Home - Updated 8/9) and you had posted a reply on the object formerly known as an asteroid of dubious origin. Is that the post you are refering to?<
I meant "Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter: We're on Our Way!"
Gort said...
>I am a new blogger, but a long time listener. I have been looking at the Deep Impact jpegs that are available from JPL, and my first impression is that the pictures of the approaching impact are upsidedown.
In the shot taken 20 seconds before impact,
>http://deepimpact.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/jpg/wipeout.jpg
>I clearly see a sculture of a cat.
It is above the large white area on the left side of the picture about a fourth of the way down. This is if you look at the picture flipped 180 degrees from the way it was published on JPL site.
It is a standing cat arching its tail straight up and over its back. The cat's head and two ears are very clear to me. Of course I am an artist and not a scientist.
Thanks for the E-Prise Mission and the Captain's Blog.<
"Kaltu Barada Nikto ...." :)
Yes, the many of the images from the Deep Impact site are at ALL angles ... including flipped! Not sure why ... other than to simply confuse folks. More of the same ....
You might send along a sketch of your "artistic perceptions" .... :)
6sides said...
>The material contained on your site, seems to evade the facts regarding current civilization on Mars. Ruins are one thing, but there appears to be highly complex, intact infrastructure on and below the surface.
>http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7436/mardonmega5lc.jpg
>We got neighbours.<
It is EXTREMELY difficult to detect an on-going planetary civilization -- especially if its underground -- via remote sensing limited to STILL IMAGES, acquired at large intervals from orbit.
So, I'm EXTREMELY sceptical of anyone "at home" on Mars -- NOW!
Make your case .... :)
Thelema said...
>Richard:
A>re you really the reincarnation of Rudolph Tafel?
>ROFLMAO
>http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Tafel-Hoagland/
>Excerpt: Like Tafel, Hoagland is a natural scholar. Hoagland became the space-science curator of a small, New England museum/planetarium, much like Tafel became a librarian. Just as Tafel quickly advanced to become the chair of a university department by age 31, Hoagland catapulted to become a science advisor to CBS News and the legendary news anchor, Walter Cronkite.
Tafel and Hoagland have the common trait of revering science. Tafel made a point to translate Swedenborg’s scientific works, including Swedenborg’s study of the central nervous system, which was entitled, The Brain. Swedenborg also had a passion for astronomy and he was the first to forward the nebular hypothesis of the universe’s creation. This is consistent with Mr. Hoagland’s interest in space exploration.
(...)
Accordingly, I asked Ahtun Re, the spirit guide channeled through Ahtun Re, whether perhaps Richard Hoagland lived on Mars, in a past incarnation, in an ancient civilization. Ahtun Re told me that this was true, that Mr. Hoagland had once lived on Mars, and that he participated in the society, the civilization, that he is so drawn to prove existed in a distant time.<
Damfino .... :)
ZenOnMars said...
>Richard,
>As though you're weblog experiment wasn't wildly successful ENOUGH, it is now simmering into the "main course", and I gotta tell you, congratulations are in order! :)
>This latest blog post is like getting to the lucious sizzling steak, after having enjoyed a fine salad and soup-dejour!
>Please continue the fine work.<
Thanks. But--
CAN'T do this alone. It will require ALL hands on deck!
Steady as she goes .... :)
Raised Eyebrow said...
> Repeating my question from earlier today (since it hasn't been answered yet)...
>>I missed it somewhere, I guess... what is this DAG?<<
12/8/05 10:13 PM <
I too need to know the answer to this question. I have been posting (sparsley) under the name "Dag", but not as part of an organization. I do not want to introduce confusion to the comments section, and will choose another name to use, if necessary.
That said, I offer this for consideration:
Earlier in this series of blog comments, someone mentioned that the rotational period of Mars and Earth are approximately 24 hours, and other pairs of planets exhibit similar "paired" periods. Is it possible that Mars and Earth were tidally locked to the same planet in the past, released at the same time, and settled into different orbital distances from the sun, while retaining essentially the same rotational period?
Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z-Z
Skipper,
Speaking of 'hands on deck' ...
Standing by for word re venue images & info sent via M. Bara.
g :-)
TIJERANDY said...
>Hey Richard - speaking of 'ancient sites' to be imaged by new MRO - do you have a central location where we can view...and contribute our own findings for further imaging? I hope the black pyramids array is high on the list...and are you familiar with the 'underground entrance' that I sent to Michael Bara some time back? I think these are 'smoking gun' images, everybody I show them to, even the most skeptic, are shocked and can't believe they aren't on the front page of every paper/website/tv news boadcast.
>Randy in
NM Mountains - www.TIJERANDY@aol.com <
That's PRECISELY what we're gonna organize -- a clearinghouse for ALL suggestions for new images from MRO. Stay tuned .... :)
richard, do you still believe theres a "city" below the sands at cydonia?
raised eyebrow,
dag:
Direct Action Group
http://www.directactiongroup.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17
Oris Bracken said...
>We are grateful to have Richard C. Hoagland to represent the world community most interested in learning about Mars. He represents those who wonder about the Face, the Tubes and Sir Arthur's strange Banyan Trees.
>Financial contributions will be need to carry on effective work. Talk is the cheapest important element, but can only go so far.<
At the appropriate time. We're oragnizing the campaign now. Patience is a REAL virtue in this game.
Stray tuned .... :)
Bithead said...
>Richard, I need your help
>From FilmBaby.com on my recent attempt to purchase your GOD, MAN and ET DVD (order #: 517) over two weeks ago:
>"This has been a bunch of headaches :) I dont know who Richard used to make the DVD's but they are just raking him over the coals.
They were shipped for headquarters Today i was told in NM and should be here early next week.
>I will ship this out to you FEDEX as soon as it comes for all the troubles. We never have this problem because we keep all inventory in-house, but for Richard, he has just had one problem after another in the printing of these DVD's
>Thanks for your paitence
>Jamie"
>Can you get this straight cause I would really like to watch this DVD of yours :)
Thanks<
We really have had some SERIOUS supply problems (deliberate?) with the DVDs. I'm working on solving those issues, as well as all the others you're aware of ....
So, please be patient. Jamie is a good guy. :)
Arc-en-ciel said...
>`Sir Arthur's strange Banyan Trees' are neither trees nor positive topographic relief-features of any kind - they are dendritic gully networks ....<
Well, you're half right .... :)
Anonymous said...
>Richard, do you still believe theres a "city" below the sands at cydonia?<
I don't know for sure ... which is why I want MARSIS radar (from mars express0 and SHARAD radar (from MRO) of the region.
Then, we'll KNOW .... :)
hahahah you slick bastard
Richard,
Extremely interested in your comments regarding Linda Moulton Howe's appearance on Coast.
Brian C said . . .
>> Even if the minutes WERE off (and by some accounts the landing was at 8:11, not 8:12, which produces a flight time of 333:32) it is still a remarkable alignment from a statistical perspective, especially when you start taking into account other correlating items, like a $333M budget.<<
I might be late on this, but:
Actually the landing was at exactly 5:11:22 am Pacific time (8:11:22 am eastern time). That is only 12 seconds from the full 333 hours and 33 minutes. The commander probably was punsihed for being early. Duration was 13 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 48 seconds = 333 hours 32 minutes 48 seconds. Whoawh!!!
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/launch/index.html
Mission: International Space Station Flight LF1
Space Shuttle: Discovery
Launch Pad: 39B
Launched: July 26, 2005 at 10:39:00:07 a.m. EDT
Landing Site: Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.
Landing: Aug. 9, 2005 at 8:11:22 a.m. EDT
Duration: 13 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 48 seconds
Orbital Insertion Altitude: 122 nautical miles
Orbit Inclination: 51.60°
I live only 60 miles from Edwards AFB. The reentry sonic booms were impressive and 'majestic'.
bjorns
> Richard C. Hoagland said...
Anonymous said...
>Richard, do you still believe theres a "city" below the sands at cydonia?<
I don't know for sure ... which is why I want MARSIS radar (from mars express0 and SHARAD radar (from MRO) of the region.
Then, we'll KNOW .... :)<
Richard, I fear MARSIS does not have the necessary resolution: I mean, it is good for geology, not for archeology sadly.
From MARSIS article here:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMQAN808BE_index_0.html
"For subsurface probing, MARSIS must operate between 300 and 800 kilometres from the Martian surface, while for ionospheric sounding, MARSIS has already provided acceptable results from a distance of up to 3000 kilometres. The radar vertical resolution is about 150 metres (in the free space), while the horizontal resolution, in the range of few kilometres, depends on the spacecraft altitude.
The Italian-American MARSIS team is also largely involved on the SHARAD radar, a facility instrument provided by ASI for NASA’s Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), due for launch in August 2005. MARSIS and SHARAD are two radars designed to provide complementary information about the Martian subsurface. MARSIS can penetrate to an average depth of five kilometres, while SHARAD will concentrate on layers closer to the surface."
I don't know the resolution of SHARAD, but being it more dedicated to surface proximity features, it looks better for our needs (maybe it was designed like that on purpose...it would help, I think)
doesnt george realize yet that linda multon howe is an opportunist nutcase?
she almost ruined the coast-to-coast '911 inside job' round table by constantly bringing up nonsense about aliens spirits and other crap. she really makes me ill thinking of how shes crapping all over the search for truth in order to promote her garbage
Anon,
Yes I agree, Linda is not helping the situation one bit. She doesn't have a clue most times.
I listened to the Coast segment and her source seemed to be re-enforcing the dirty snowball line but decided to throw in a few odd things to make it a little more interesting for those in the public who also have no clue.
A few big long chemical names and this and that. If NASA's deep impact team is not saying squat, why is the Spitzer team allowed to spout about what they have regarding spectra ? If not to divert attention away from the best data, the deep impact spectra.
Opa-Opa said . . .
>>This is a great blog, but it's sad to see every thread becoming a Bush/"NeoCon" bash-fest by post 20.
Can we please stay on topic and keep the politics to the political blogs?<<
Opa-Opa . . . Opa . . . if you are trying to say that politics has nothing to do with NASA, or NASA has nothing to do with politics, then I believe you have the helmet pulled down too far and too tight. Ease up on that strap under the chin bud. Politics has everything to do with everything, including the cost of this latest satellite launch. Politics eats at your bank account 24/7 and politics rule the planet and thereby your personal life whether you believe so or not. Politics of the public (read: elected or non-informed) or the permanent (read: none-elected permanent organizations/people who actually pull and push the ripples accross the physical AND mental oceans.
So politics is important to keep in mind with everything that is happening. Politics is the very reason why RCH has not been totally successful yet in his and all his partners' endeavours to open up the political elected and permanent system. This is why we all have to participate and contribute in any way we can, and not squabbbbble among each other, but keep up and help in this massive effort that in the end may be helpful to us all on this third rock from the sun.
Have you removed the helmet yet?
Richard C. Hoagland said:
"Well, you're half right .... :)"
I'm all ears, here, Cap'n - care to point out the error(s) in my statement? :)
Anonymous said...
>>doesnt george realize yet that linda multon howe is an opportunist nutcase? she almost ruined the coast-to-coast '911 inside job' round table by constantly bringing up nonsense about aliens spirits and other crap. she really makes me ill thinking of how shes crapping all over the search for truth in order to promote her garbage<<
First of all anonymous . . . try to get the person's name you are trying so hard to degrade correct . . . it is Linda Moulton Howe. Spelling and capital letters. At the very least - she deserves that.
Second: Linda Moulton Howe is actually doing work trying to uncover the truth about things she and many, many people across this land and overseas believe is important. You, however, have nothing to do but spew acid onto real work and investigations. Go back to sleep and continue your nightmare. Then wake up and send Linda Moulton Howe a nice letter of apology for not having fully realized what you previously have said out of pure ignorance.
Thirdly: What do you belive in anonymous? What do you contribute with to uncover the important issues that affect our common lives on a daily basis?
Richard......
Regarding MRO HiRISE (hi-res) camera resolution. I've also seen the spec at several sites of 1m/pixel.
But, at yesterday's MRO news conference they quoted a spec. of 1 FOOT/pixel resolution!!! A check at the following site also verifies the 1 FOOT/pixel spec!!!
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/
I assume this refers to the main mapping mission done at some 200 miles altitude...HOWEVER!!! During the aero-braking phase, the MRO will be at 100 MILES altitude over the south pole!!! To me, then, this implies that any imagery conducted over the south pole MAY have a resolution of 6 INCHES/PIXEL !!! !!! !!!
TALK ANOUT ANOMALIES!!! The Martian South Polar region is perhaps the richest
zone for anomalous features !!!
TOP SECRET.
FOR YOUR EYES ONLY.
THIS INFORMATION IS ON A STRICTLY NEED TO KNOW BASIS _ONLY_.
[YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...I think we're nearly there though :-} ]
...
/Something/ has made a 'deal' with the Grey Aliens which gave them a
large proportion of "the masses" to be used, through the use of
other controlling factors, for what ? [You see, I don't know it all :-) ]
Current speculation includes:
1. Alien takeover (potentially).
2. Life 'Hacking'.
3. Other unspecified, destructive, manipulative practices.
Aids maybe a factor introduced to disrupt what stops this happening:
Aids maybe an engineered factor allowing control of the 'energy body'
['life field'] which alters the immune system...allowing altering of
the sex function...'they' don't like sex.
Other current speculation includes [I _DO_ have my own sources actually :-)]
1. The use of holographic or transporter technology to confuse a'la
"Taken".
2. The use of 'Frequency Boosting' to pick
out certain sounds...to confuse.
3. The use of Syncronicity with 1 and 2
to confuse you into thinking you are
'effecting reality'.
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I think it's using some kind of screen
to stop anyone reading its mind...
It gets pissed of when u try to look at it's
stuff...
Don't fight it though !
I think we're almost there :-)
djbarney and incense
It's easy to understand why NASA scientists prefer Linda Moulton. I really like her science stories, but it seems reaching to grasp the theoretical science (buying the dirty snowball theory) she completely missed the political story - the $333,333,333 question.
Trickle down information hurts some and helps others. It's journalism when the questions are in the public interest and in the interest of truth ... otherwise, it's called something else.
oops
I worte Linda Moulton and it's Linda Moulton Howe.
My bad.
Kalter said...
> Richard...... Regarding MRO HiRISE (hi-res) camera resolution. I've also seen the spec at several sites of 1m/pixel.
> But, at yesterday's MRO news conference they quoted a spec. of 1 FOOT/pixel resolution!!! A check at the following site also verifies the 1 FOOT/pixel spec!!!
> http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/
> I assume this refers to the main mapping mission done at some 200 miles altitude...HOWEVER!!! During the aero-braking phase, the MRO will be at
> 100 MILES altitude over the south pole!!! To me, then, this implies that any imagery conducted over the south pole MAY have a resolution of 6 INCHES/PIXEL<
Well, when you go to the site you specified: http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/ and you click on any of the images which again leads to a new page where you can drag a zoom slider to 16, you get a resolution of 11cm per pixel. You could easily see the fish swimming. 11ppcm = 4.33 inches per pixel . . . four point three three inches per pixel . . . folks.
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Richard,
Thank you for your informative blog, it is a great addendum to your comments greatly enjoyed on Coast To Coast AM
There is no such thing as an "absolute opinion".
The tendency to simply point out errors or in many examples just disqualify or negate someone's effort at understanding, is feeding into a negative spiral, and it only goes down.
So, see what "repressive" is, and stop pouring energy in to it.
Take and idea, expand on someone else's consideration, making mutuality. Thats not just happy happy, its unentangling. Thats how some of these abstracts can be pierced when our study and collaberation is unconstrained and free of posturing.
I'm sure this is useful when much of what is being done here is quite intuitive and requires a measure of sleuthing due to the atmosphere of concealment by the space program.
I had this notion to make a postive encouragement, from the many acidic meaningless shoot downs I see that come in to the flow here. Like good brainstorming, there is a sorting function that naturally occurs, and truth what is left.
Truth flies, everything else falls.
So, in an ascendent metaphor like 7UP!,
watch closely for what bubbles up from some of these meanderings people have.
Its the little seeds that I think Richard H is most vigilante for. Seemingly trivial little snippets can expand to be relevent.
Thanks for letting me expound.
I now return to my regularly scheduled morning coffee. :)
Kalter, Hi
Thanks for your info and that link you referred to.
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/
Thats a new one for me. Now I've got it.
Templemaster333,
Neocon(servative)s for those who don't know are mostly 60s Democrats who worked for, voted for, and supported JKF. Who are viewed in certain quaters as traitors and railed against frequenly since they now support republican positions. But current Republican positions on most any issue are left of JFK's - take fiscal policy e.g.
The largest block of DC politicians who have no use for NASA include such well-know 'Neocons' as John Kerry (and ex running mate John Edwards), Ted Kennedy, "Leaky" Leahe, Nancy Pelosi, - oh shorten this to: the minority leadership in both Houses.
Saudia Arabia is the small tribal, brutally repressive country run by the practioners of the religion of peace mentioned previously. They have a lot of oil, but do not control the oil market any longer. The US has known and proven oil resourses which dwarf theirs, but PCness keeps that oil out of bounds - as with clean burning coal, oil shale which the US has in abundance.
The above 'neocons' are the principle Congessional leaders who consistantly block the use of our resources, building new power generating plants, and refineries, perfering instead to rely on foreign sourses and higher consumer prices in order to keep the Enviro lobby funds flowing into their campaignes, to remain in power, collect and spend your tax dollars.
These are the same folks who have a vested political interest in dumbing down K-12 education, since an educated public would see through their patently false emotion-based arguements. They believe/feel they are - with their fellow travelers heading the departments of most universities - at the top of the rational elite pecking order. Which is why they have made their core beliefs into a new religion, with millions of dumbed-down adhearents who aspire to join this elite.
And, of course, their rational logic(sic) demands the end of NASA and any other idea which inspires or causes the public at large to dream. Dreams are dangerous to those who wish to hold absolute power.
Addendum: if you are old enough and voted for JFK, but now vote republican - you are by some deffinitions a Neocon.
ionturo2,
Hey what happened to ionturo1? Should we be concerned? :)
Somehow I think we are seeing a shell game with ESA - we'll get peeks of this and that, but like NASA never the full story. With NASA and JPL we have sources to people inside, and we know or know people who know the principle investagators and their teams. But ESA? Who do we know? Just internet bios, if that. They could pull the same NASA tricks or add few of their own and who would know? IMHO it would be wise to be just as skeptical of them as we are of NASA.
Richard said,
That's PRECISELY what we're gonna organize -- a clearinghouse for ALL suggestions for new images from MRO. Stay tuned .... :)
Oh joy!!
Kalter said,
the spec at several sites of 1m/pixel. But, at yesterday's MRO news conference they quoted a spec. of 1 FOOT/pixel resolution!!! A check at the following site also verifies the 1 FOOT/pixel spec!!!
And I've seen 5" res. Sounds like the same meter foot confusion claimed for earlier probe demise - else setting stage for less than expected res on final images. Then bjorns reports res down to 4.3"/pixel. Some will see MRO images at 4.3, others at 1 meter - us. And few will see the subsurface images.
Richard,
"Kaltu Barada Nikto ...." :) back at ya :)
Glad to see you are an afficionado of "The Day the Earth Stood Still," but I already knew that from "Coast...".
I actually got the moniker by accident (?) while I was in the Air Force in the early 70s. I was stationed at Key West NAS, and my unit was attached to a unit at Homestead AFB. One time I had to go to Homestead for a temporary duty (TDY). Later, I received a check for TDY pay made out to "Gregort Y. (Last-name)", instead of Gregory T. (Last-name).
I showed it to my friends and told my family about it, and to this day some of them still call me Gort.
Since the film (Day the Earth Stood Still) takes place in Washington DC, and Gort is a main character, and there was a big UFO flap in DC in the early 50s and I was born in DC in the early 50s,and,as George says, there are no coincidendences,
I remain,
Gort
What if some of the craters on the Tempel 1 comet are not craters, but"piazzas", like the large round public "square" in front of St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City.
What if a piece of exploded planet the size of Manhattan Island happened to have remains of an ancient city (or part of a city) on it. And then, what if our government sent a solid chunk of copper the size of an oil drum to collide with the ancient architectural ruins and create a real crater the size of a sports stadium. And this attack was unprovoked "shock and awe"? Wouldn't that be some kind of international (or intergalactic) crime?
What is the ritual significance of attacking the Temple (Tempel) on the Fourth of July (Independence Day)/July 3 JPL time.
Is it a symbolic "separation of church and state?"
Is it a shot that hits the bow?
Any input on the allignments?
Pif, Hello
It is essentially IonTruO2, a play of things including keeping your "eye on true O2". Your version works too though. Hmmm?
Just an aside, there was a unique name used for the "region" of the PNW spanning both countries, do you know it?
Richard, Hi!
you said: "Kaltu Barada Nikto ...." :) back at ya :)
You know that line, in my humble ignorance, reminded me of a line in the hillarious movie "Army of Darkness". how interesting...
Army of Darkness,
Hmmm? or in the darkness, a struggle?
pardon my caffeine musings, oh my gosh I'm started to sound like Jasgrave333! Just thinking... :)
3cheers! he!he!he!
http://www.kosmosltd.net/Beast.htm
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/darth_nwo.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/psy.htm
djbarney :-)
> PIF said...
Somehow I think we are seeing a shell game with ESA - we'll get peeks of this and that, but like NASA never the full story. With NASA and JPL we have sources to people inside, and we know or know people who know the principle investigators and their teams. But ESA? Who do we know? Just internet bios, if that. They could pull the same NASA tricks or add few of their own and who would know? IMHO it would be wise to be just as skeptical of them as we are of NASA.
13/8/05 6:36 AM<
It is probably the same trick, PIF. Or, it's a CYA one. This second case has a strong chance to be true, for two reasons: with many less planetary missions run, data gathered by ESA cannot compare to NASA ones in quantity, though they may somehow in quality. Finding something weird on the few pictures in ESA hands and risking one's credibililty in a very skeptical scientific environment, is a delicate business. It is the old Giordano Bruno's story, endlessly repeating, and one does not need to be burnt alive to feel very uncomfortable. Words kill faster than swords, sometimes, and people want to keep on doing their business and live in peace (most of them). The other case (the first) is: when planning missions like Mars orbiting ones, there is a (small) amount of agreed shared tasks between the Agencies. Sharing business means also sharing policy. And the ruling policy in space comes from the Brookings report. ESA complies, same as NASA does.
The only little advantage with ESA is that it is more independant from military (so far), therefore leaks of some juicy data may be easier...
:)
How naive you are if you think that you will be getting some real hi-res raw data... They will release fake hi-res images to prove their point and show that there is nothing interesting there and all the conspiracy groups lies are the only truth.
Expect massive AI-driven ultra-hires 3D rendered fake details to cover everything much better than ever before.
sunking: commies like you are a disgrace to whole humanity. You go around claiming what the media told you about the Bush family instead of thinking and analyzing real factors. People like you just help conspiracy groups out there to keep secrecy and hide the truth, which is probably a good thing to be done to those like you that don't even try to analyze things and facts but just claim what a political group agenda tells them to to smash their enemies. Apply this behaviour of yours to the real truth that's been hidden and anyone with a grain of salt would simply say that it's good to hide the truth from you because you could only be dangerous and create issues at an unknown scale.
iontruO2,
"Just an aside, there was a unique name used for the "region" of the PNW spanning both countries, do you know it?"
I think in the early 80s it was Ectotopia, now renamed to the Peoples Socialist Republic of the NorthWest?
Did you follow the link to PIF?
Since we're into asides, last night watching more of BRAC hearings wherein the DOD proposes to close recently built multimillion dollar facilites and move the units to antiqated bases in other parts of the country, where there is no existing work force or support, in order to get more money power and prestige for the ever increasing numbers of top brass who command these facilities, that the Rapid Response Units (the folks who protect you from all sorts of things) responsible for the area formerly known as the PNW will be moved far inland, as will the one for the area formerly known as the SW (AZ, NM, CA)? Looks like the mi is abandoning the western 1/2 of the US.
kalter: Their claimed resolution it's way lower than what that thing will be able to achieve. Unknown technology it's onboard that satellite/spaceship/robot whatever it could really be. Just think about:
#1 - Military satellites here on Earth have a resolution far higher than what people could believe and can zoom on a human hair with no quality loss -- and I bet they could analyze DNA directly from space by looking at atoms and even deeper (which doesn't mean that official/unofficial military and secret services really know about it because many of these features get used and active only when unknown hidden conspiracy groups use the technology.. for everyone else it looks something "more common based on known technology")
#2 - This satellite will, officially this time, move faster than anything before it since it will be reaching Mars in a few months instead of a couple of years or more... And what I think is that that thing might already be there... actually using teleporting/warp technology and such. But for humankind and anyone outside of the conspiracy groups holding the key to unknown alien derived technology it will be a travel of some months in deep space.
Massimo IT,
"The only little advantage with ESA is that it is more independant from military (so far), therefore leaks of some juicy data may be easier..."
Or so you are lead to believe... have you by chance read their actual charter or whatever paper gives them authorization over there? Might be interesting reading.
Does the IT stand for infotech?
Arc-en-ciel said...
>`Sir Arthur's strange Banyan Trees' are neither trees nor positive topographic relief-features of any kind - they are dendritic gully networks ....<
Sir Arthur said:
"Something is actually moving and changing with the seasons that suggests, at the very least vegetation." "Probable Martian surface organisms." "I've seen the latest microphotos, and some of them look very biological to me, but I'm not competent to decide."
Of course Banyan Trees are tropical but the analogy is good. Doubt it is a case of pareidolia. But might be melting frost and lichens.
We are all following in the tradition of Lowell.
My general question: As their camera is best yet put in orbit, why are the ESA eXpress images not showing major anomolies? --Or are they….
room322.com
>PIF said...
... Or so you are lead to believe... have you by chance read their actual charter or whatever paper gives them authorization over there? Might be interesting reading.<
Right, I'll check that out.
>Does the IT stand for infotech?<
IT: now three meanings (and counting).
1. ITalian
2. IT (Stephen King)
3. I like this other meaning, InfoTech, but it's not me. I'm an aerospace engineer.
Maybe I should change nickname, e.g. "The blogger formerly known as Massimo IT"
LOL
...one "IT", 3 meanings. I guess I should read more thoroughly those NASA reports...
Pif, Hi
What link? to follow? Please direct me to it. e-mail me, its at my blog.
you were saying: ...that the Rapid Response Units (the folks who protect you from all sorts of things) responsible for the area formerly known as the PNW will be moved far inland, as will the one for the area formerly known as the SW (AZ, NM, CA)? Looks like the mi is abandoning the western 1/2 of the US.
Might it be a preprep for Enviromental issues (extremes) expected soon. ie. tsunamis, the 2012 phase or something like Scallion's quake, etc.?
Moving inland on that scale, just tweaks me as if its more than merely shuffling the cards. Yet I am amazed at the stuff that is done for only money's sake.
It still smacks of "continuity of Governance" program.
Maybe a look at the whole re-orientation going on relative to the bases in the World right now might reveal a more obvious pattern.
Arc-en-ciel said...
> My general question: As their camera is best yet put in orbit, why are the ESA eXpress images not showing major anomolies? --Or are they….<
In the last thread before this one I posted this:
Pictures of Mars:
there are interesting images on the ESA site, only they are few if compared to the big MSSS database. The good thing is: they are in colour and can be enlarged a lot without losing details. This one I love most. It is best viewed with Opera, to be able to enlarge it and see its detail. Enlarge it at 200 - 300%, is still enjoyable. Or,export it to PSP or similar and ENLARGE it. The darker part of this picture is the most juicy: you need to reduce its darkness.
Look at it for yourselves.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/032-060404-0097-6-co-02-VallesMarineris.jpg
check this out too:
http://www.esa.int/externals/images/1_3a4.jpg
I magnified 460% with Opera. One could see (or believe to see, that is the problem with all this, nothing is for sure YET ...) regular geometries, dams in the valleys and containment walls around some hills. Fascinating anyway.
Damn! I miss that Keith Laney's great work.
Waiting for Mars Reconaissance data now ...
Neo-Cons = Kennedy ?
This is 2005 ...
Try an Internet search, PIF ...
iontruO2
Go back up to 12/8/05 8:08 PM - click PIF name.
While you are looking at mil base mapping in US circle all those sw and west coast cities with a socalled sanctuary policy - see how far away they wil be? They will be indefenseable by their own laws.
massimo it: ESA images are full of fake details, colours are fake as well and there is a lot of 3D texturing and objects in their pictures. If there is 1% of true data left by ESA it could be even too much because it's probably less. They are more like paintings than real pictures from real signal analysis. It seems that whoever from the inside has allowed us to see some features and details/anomalies in various pictures so far couldn't do anything at ESA.
ionturo2,
Oh think something more mundane than drastic enviro changes - think total war. Ask how many of those aforementioned cities would be all to ready to institute Islamic law - think of the consequences from a mil point of view. Think areas of judicial activism. Think were have all the known al-Quaeda cells been discovered? Lodi CA, for one, is 80% non-english speaking, with a large muslim compliment. Think Chinese surrogates. And LA has 4 times - at least (and once a few weeks ago) - been threatened for nuking by PLA who runs China and all enterprises therein. This is a very large game being played in this arena. Is it linked to space and MRO? - who knows? - but it is real and has been documented many times over.
Like the earlier discussion on using things like tv sat dishes to intercept MRO signals, the factors are enormously complex, enfolded and convoluted - requiring legions of entities working on a coordinated plan to a working handle on the actual situation and plan for future eventualities.
I my mind the simplest explanation is the best - money and power - the human condition - DOD planners and generals are no different - and they have to operate on smaller and smaller budgets every year relative to the GNP. They know as do many others that Federal entitlements will eventually consume the entire budget. All other fed programs will cease, inc. NASA. Mil will be the last to go and they are preparing for that day.
Which is why we need Moon to Mars! Only the rebirth of hope and dreams by creating a totally new industrial base will halt the above progress. And we will only get that if there is something which captures the public attention en mass to want it. The inexorable logic of politics.
Crypt0,
No need to search for anything - you must be too young to remember JFK and his policies. Whose 60s policies exactly match the actual policies of the 2005 neoconervatives (sic); they are not the NEOCONS you pilar. I have no idea where you got the idea that neoconervatives (sic) are nefarious and faintly evil, but you are mistaken, sir.
A new entrant into the grand picture:
China on track for moon mission
China is preparing to launch its first ever lunar orbiter in 2007, as part of its burgeoning space programme.... The expedition, christened Chang'e-1 after the Chinese Moon goddess, will map the moon in 3D in an effort to identify future landing sites.... The satellite will also study the Moon's composition and radiation environment and may use radar to probe below its surface.... After Chang'e-1's mission, some suggest China will send a lander to the Moon by 2010 and a robotic rover to sample the surface by 2020. "After this lunar flight, China will carry out soft landing exploration and auto inspection missions on the moon, with the core part being the realization of landing probes on the moon surface and carrying out scientific exploration," Ye said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4146226.stm
Oh and by the way in case you didn't read between the lines on the Chinese probe and the rest - they are military missions first, last and foremost (all their space programs are run by the PeoplesLiberationArmy, and it is part of their Super 863 Program I mentioned earlier). So protest away about the miltarization of space by the US mil, but here is nothing you can do about the Chinese. Anything and everything they find will be militarized for their exclusive benefit, nothing will be shared with anyone.
Pif,
Thanks, got it! Have some reading to do, appreciate your link, will digest.
Things to ponder, beyond enviromental turbulence and worldly upheaval, and China is an ongoing concern. I still get a snapshot,notion of a big calamity superceding the nationalistic agendas, like China or the States.
For insurgency, it would seem they would shore up their bases and assert "sovereignty" and magnify power and control.
I'm just talking on an unvalidated instinct here. Not much basis for it, just a persistant thought.
out.
Massimo, thank you for eXplorer JPG links, intriguing and majestic.
Perhaps Aredo is right that ALL eXplorer photos are altered.
My general question is based on observation: After every NASA satellite goes into Mars orbit photos of anomalies pop up. You see them all over the Web.
Yet, ESA places the best camera ever in orbit and ???. No major anomalies reported. Only few interesting pictures ... like possible structures on polar ice lake crater edge, etc.
To me, the absence of eXplorer photos of anomalies is in itself an anomaly--
room322.com
FWIW catagory:
A good site to track/follow many hard science and space related issues - undated frequenly each day.
Universe today
http://www.universetoday.com/index.html
> aredo said...
massimo it: ESA images are full of fake details, colours are fake as well and there is a lot of 3D texturing and objects in their pictures. If there is 1% of true data left by ESA it could be even too much because it's probably less. They are more like paintings than real pictures from real signal analysis. It seems that whoever from the inside has allowed us to see some features and details/anomalies in various pictures so far couldn't do anything at ESA.
13/8/05 9:42 AM<
I agreed they could be better.
I agreed their colors are unreal.
But, THERE ARE some interesting features.
I have never believed they would serve us Mars shaken, not stirred ...
>Oris Bracken said...
Massimo, thank you for eXplorer JPG links, intriguing and majestic.
Perhaps Aredo is right that ALL eXplorer photos are altered.
My general question is based on observation: After every NASA satellite goes into Mars orbit photos of anomalies pop up. You see them all over the Web.
Yet, ESA places the best camera ever in orbit and ???. No major anomalies reported. Only few interesting pictures ... like possible structures on polar ice lake crater edge, etc.
To me, the absence of eXplorer photos of anomalies is in itself an anomaly-- <
Hi Oris,
the amount of pictures posted on NASA sites is overwhelming, in general and when compared to the ESA database publicly available.
If I ever need to look for something dealing with space objects imaging, I would first look at NASA, and so does everybody. But, I would not disregard ESA homepage, as (for instance) sooner or later a (good?) picture of Cydonia will be taken. Then, one could compare with the MSSS archived images. It may result intriguing. Of course Mars Reconaissance Orbiter will be WAY better (if "they" will ever allow us ...)
pif: ?? Are you serious ? The NeoCons being the same group behind JFK ? Too silly, really. You must be totally blind to believe such a fairy tale of yours. You are claiming that apples and oranges are the not only comparable but the same... The NeoCons are the opposite of socialists/'68 communists like JFK and the Democrats. Whoever can't see the deep distinction between the two it's doomed to not understand what's really going on behind the scenes. And the JFK/Democrats groups are far from the good guys they claim to be by their direct control on the media, the press, school/university system and so on. Current '68 derived Democrats are the best Chinese and AlQaeda communists allies, who can't see the connection won't understand the truth.
Anonymous said...
"Funny how reicarnation buffs always tie themselves or others to notable or famous people of times' past"
As a matter of fact, there is good data to the contrary:
From "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot:
'Over the course of [Dr. Helen Wambach's] twenty-nine-year investigation of the past-life phenomenon, she hypnotized literally thousands of individuals and amassed some impressive findings.
Once criticism leveled against reincarnation is that people only seem to remember past lives as famous or historical personages. Wambach, however, found that more than 90 percent of her subjects recalled past lives as peasants, laborers, farmers, and primitive food gatherers. Less than 10 percent remembered incarnations as aristocrats, and none remembered being anyone famous, a finding that argues against the notion that past-life memories are fantasies.'
PIF said...
'Justice Kennedy said today that juries are virtually unnecessary because they "are too easily swayed by emotion"'
Wow... they are trying to discredit the jury system? That is interesting...
As I mentioned a few days ago, there are some rumors (still unconfirmed, could be disinfo) floating around the net that the grand jury for the Plame case has handed down some pretty severe indictments in the Bush administration, eg:
http://www.micropersuasion.com/2005/08/bush_indictment.html
http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/31285.htm
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/president_indicted.html
Kevin said...
...why is the Spitzer team allowed to spout about what they have regarding spectra ? If not to divert attention away from the best data, the deep impact spectra.
In what sense are the "Deep Impact" data the "best"?
If we are just interested in what percentage of the ejecta were water, it would make sense to me to view the whole cloud from afar and infer the existence and prevalence of the species from Spitzer's point of view.
If LMH is correct and Spitzer is saying that the ice content is upwards of 50%, it would seem that it's the "rocky" people who are in hot water... (so to speak:)
Let's not shoot the messenger.
Why the sudden change here Richard? Why would Nasa Hawks want to let the little guys in on anything all of a sudden? Whats your thoughts on it?
From the way you were speaking on coast, should I understand that Bobby Ray is no longer a chair at Cal-Tech JPL?
bjorns said...
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/launch/index.html
Launched: July 26, 2005 at 10:39:00:07 a.m. EDT
Landing: Aug. 9, 2005 at 8:11:22 a.m. EDT
Duration: 13 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 48 seconds
Thank you for finding even more precise (and official) times! :)
You also have identified a glaring error in my conversion to days... it's not 13d 9h 33m like I posted, it's 13h, 21h, 33m. (Rounded) I subtracted from 12 instead of 24 for the day length.. DOH! Surprised nobody caught that. A perfect example of why peer verification is so important. ;)
IonTruO2 said...
'You know that line ["Kaltu Barada Nikto"], in my humble ignorance, reminded me of a line in the hillarious movie "Army of Darkness".'
It should... they copied the line from 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'. :)
All those too young to have voted for JKF - aredo et al - The term neoconservative - I repeat - is simplily a way to indicate that some people in the public at large who used to be Democrates changed parties and are now Republican because they did not like the direction the Dems were going and/or believed in fiscal/social policies which the 60s Dems and JKF supported - nothing more. If there is some sort of cablal, as you continually go on about, then by definition no neoconservative would belong - you are assigning a name to the wrong parties. Perhaps you were absent for Modern AmHist 101 and PoliSci 101?
Neoconservatives are not a monolithic group, and most certainly not communists (nor was JFK - else Cuba would have nuclear missiles and you'd be speaking Russian) - just a bunch of guys and gals who disagree with current Dem policies. You assign them way too much power, and go off into unwarented assumtions from which you draw false conclusions.
Names mean things and unless you use them correctly and in proper context, you will remain hopelessly confused in your thinking and easy subjects for misdirection.
No one here knows 'what's going on behind the scenes'. If they did - and one must assume Richard would be among that number - then why would he need to do all the things he is persuing? Why would he even bother? And if you know what's going, on please have a private conversation with RCH and tell him so we don't have to figure all this stuff out the hard way - he can just tell us. We, us peons and RCH, only know there is a 'behind the scenes' and are trying to get a peak at them, so please step forward.
Brian C,
The Plame case is just a way Dem operatives have tried to persue to discredit the curent admin. There is absolutely nothing to it. It is all made up, but the AttGen is duty bound to persue an investigation once the allegation is made, despite the waste of tax money. Those operatives will do, say, aledge anything to discredit Bush and bring impeachment charges.
Keep this in mind: the current Dems, if in power now, would slash NASA in a heart beat. Only Bush has had the political will/courage to up NASA's meagar budget AND finally give it a direction - Moon to Mars. Vision, hope and a real space program is not in the current Dem leadership's playbook. Just the opposite.
Unless the Dem suppoters in this audience work to change their party of choice's leadership stance on space, the Moon to Mars is dead, since it requires sustained political will across admins to succeed. And no American will walk the Moon again - let alone Mars - unless they get ride on a Chinese or Russian ship.
They should have used compressed air to luanch that thing....
Sword
After reading 2 comments up I will venture that the hot air contained in Pif may well be a viable low orbit propulsion system.
Another blow hard know it all engineer clogging up yet another comments section with their big ego.
big ego.
Thanks anon! Well said! congrates on the anon promotion! Cheers and tootileoo
PIF said...
'The Plame case is just a way Dem operatives have tried to persue to discredit the curent admin. There is absolutely nothing to it.'
There is "absolutely nothing to" leaking the identity of a covert CIA operative? I don't see how these are just "allegations"; SOMEONE had to have revealed her. Is that not a breach of national security? How can there be "nothing" to it?
I don't understand your accusation that this is being persecuted by "Dem operatives". The case is being investigated by the Justice Department, specifically by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who was selected by Acting Attorney General James Comey, who was nominated by Bush in 2003 and unanimously passed by the Senate. Why would you immediately cast doubt on their legal findings with accusations of partisan bias? Sounds a bit reactionary to me.
Regardless of whomever is behind whatever, a task is only accomplished when it is focused upon. Which is what I believe RCH is getting us ready for, whoever wants to be involved that is.
The ability to get NASA to give up the info so we'll all know is really the thing we need to focus on. And that will be a very large mountain to climb in itself.
Deep Impact Spectra: Carbonate, PAHs and Some Amino Precursors in Comet Tempel I
**SNIP**
Before he left for Brazil, Dr. Lisse gave me a preview of what has been learned so far since the July Fourth impact on Comet Tempel 1. The impactor hit the comet at 23,000 mph. There was an immediate flash as the impactor burrowed into the soft, fluffy ice, releasing hot gases. Essentially, the impactor vaporized, and the comet around the impactor broke up and vaporized. That happened in about two seconds and was the first spectra data blast.
Then comet debris flew out. That immediate ejecta did not last very long either and was the second data blast. Compounding the problems of those first short-lived spectra bursts, it turns out that the Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral results when the impactor slammed into Tempel I.
But back toward Earth, the largest infrared telescope ever launched into space was watching the Deep Impactor collide with the comet. The Spitzer Space Telescope was monitoring in a 5 to 40 micron wavelength range, which was more sensitive than Deep Impact's 1 to 5 micron wavelength range. Deep Impact was so close, it could only see a part of the comet's coma, which is the fuzzy haze of glowing dust that surrounds the comet's hard nucleus. Spitzer could see the whole coma, the hot gases and the ejecta rushing out from the explosion for hours and days afterward.
Dr. Lisse told me: "Of all the data I've seen, Spitzer is one of the most gorgeous data sets. I think we've got the first good handle on excavating a comet and finding the dinosaur bones of the solar system's formation."
The very first data showed hot water. At least 50% of Comet Tempel I is water ice. The spectra also showed carbon dioxide and some yet unidentified organic material like graphite or carbon black. And Spitzer spectral data showed some surprises such as precursors to the aminos in amino acids. Those are hydrogen cyanide and methyl cyanide. Surprisingly, Deep Impact spectra also show carbonate - think limestone; and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) - think carbon Bucky Balls and nanotubes. I asked Dr. Lisse about his conclusions so far.
Interesting comment from the above article.
Deep Impact Spectra: Carbonate, PAHs and Some Amino Precursors in Comet Tempel I
Carey Michael Lisse, Ph.D., Prof. of Physics, University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland, and member of the Deep Impact Science Team and Principal Investigator for the Chandra X-Ray and Spitzer telescope Deep Impact spectrometer results: "What have we concluded so far? It's still under work, but we've concluded so far that we see every major rock-forming element that makes up the Earth in this Comet Tempel I.
Interesting stuff John!
brian c
I thought you might do the factcheck.org scene first.
>"There is "absolutely nothing to" leaking the identity of a covert CIA operative?<
She was never a real covert agent, nor undercover - she's a deskbound bureaucrat. The law says after 5 years no harm no foul in revealing a name. It was 6 years prior she had a very brief assignment which could be - by stretching it a lot - considered as covert.
>I don't see how these are just "allegations"; SOMEONE had to have revealed her.<
She was "outed" by her own husband - see Vanity Fair article - both are posed and interviewed. Every one in DC knew who she was and what she did - even to a listing in Who's Who, for pete's sake.
>Is that not a breach of national security?<
No. see above. The revelation of a real covert agents ID is a breach but selectively prosecuted - John Kerry revealed an actual agents name in a hearing last month. His saving grace was the Agent had recently been withdrawn and was in no danger. Go look at the actual law not someone's opinion of what the law should say.
>How can there be "nothing" to it?<
Because her husband is a George Soros spokesperson - aka a dem operative, a role he has pursued for years. See video of him and Soros. The whole yellow cake/nigera thing was a move to embarrass the current admin. It has been now documented that Saddam got 150 tons of low grade uranium from Nigeria prior to the war, all ValP husband's statements were fabricated, further all the dem leadership which had been supporting him have run for cover.
>I don't understand your accusation that this is being persecuted by "Dem operatives".<
See above. Not persecuted - pursued.
>Why would you immediately cast doubt on their legal findings with accusations of partisan bias?<
No doubt being cast - just the facts - once an allegation is made it must be pursued BY LAW. There are no bias accusations in anything I wrote about this affair.
>Sounds a bit reactionary to me.<
Do you know what reactionary means? Check your dictionary.
A non-story.
John galt,
great stuff!
I liked this comment: Dr. Lisse told me:
"Of all the data I've seen, Spitzer is one of the most gorgeous data sets. I think we've got the first good handle on excavating a comet and finding the dinosaur bones of the solar system's formation."
A nice choice of words.
And this further line, nicely bolded!
->we see every major rock-forming element that makes up the Earth in this Comet Tempel I.
Well Hello!!? Isn't that all quite a mouthful! I won't draw the conclusions, but that is compelling stuff.
Thanks again for your input.
GRR8 said...
>Why the sudden change here Richard? Why would Nasa Hawks want to let the little guys in on anything all of a sudden? Whats your thoughts on it?<
Actually, this is NOT a "sudden change." They've been "test marketing" this policy with Malin's "public images campaign" on Mars Surveyor for at least a year ....
What makes this different is that it is NOT "tacked on" (as Malin's was): it appears to be a core HiRISE imageing policy -- and advertised well in ADVANCE of MRO actually reaching Mars ....
We will, of course, test all aspects over time.
So who is handling the images for MRO?
Hey Pif
You wanted some references regarding Jesus and his native Aramaic language. See Neil Douglas-Klotz' book The Hidden Gospel and his tape series Original Prayer and Healing Breath. The Aramaic word for "evil" would be bisha-that which is unripe. The image of ripeness underlies each of the Aramaic Beatitudes. This is because Jesus' culture was one that did not live by the wrist watch. Everything was related to cycles and timing. To be unripe would mean that one was out of timing, out of rythym with the cosmos, not ready to fulfill their purpose.
If the composition on Tempel 1 holds as posted above (and nothing is more found) seems to me it will add quite a bit to the earth orign of life debate.
Spacechip said...
>>Kevin said...
>>...why is the Spitzer team allowed to spout about what they have regarding spectra ? If not to divert attention away from the best data, the deep impact spectra.<<
>In what sense are the "Deep Impact" data the "best"?
>If we are just interested in what percentage of the ejecta were water, it would make sense to me to view the whole cloud from afar and infer the existence and prevalence of the species from Spitzer's point of view.
>If LMH is correct and Spitzer is saying that the ice content is upwards of 50%, it would seem that it's the "rocky" people who are in hot water... (so to speak:)<
The Deep Impact spectra would be the best data, because their instrument was the CLOSEST ... and took data at the HIGHEST RATE. It's a simple "signal to noise ratio."
It should be obvious that a 12-inch telescope on the Deep Impact spacecraft, located only ~5000 miles away from the target, would have seen MUCH more (and recorded it at a far higher rate!), than a ~33-inch mirror (ah ... that number again!) on the Spitzer Infrared Telescope ... located about 83 MILLION miles away from the comet at Impact!!
What Dr. Lisse was feeding Linda, about "Spitzer [unlike Deep Impact itself] could see the whole coma, the hot gases and the ejecta rushing out from the explosion for hours and days afterward ...." was just a load of ... well, you understand. :)
Linda never asked him a VERY simple question: "Well, Dr., if that's true -- why did you spend $333 million dollars sending TWO spacecraft to Tempel 1 ... one to impact, and one to observe from REALLY close-at hand ...? Why didn't you just send a simple "smart bomb" ... and look at the impact from 83 million miles away ... and save a WHOLE LOT of taxpayer money ... since you already had Spitzer in orbit!?"
But, Linda didn't ask .... :)
So yes, Spaceship, it's just a smokescreen -- to NOT tell us (again!) what Deep Impact REALLY found ....
Stay tuned.
GRR8 said...
>From the way you were speaking on coast, should I understand that Bobby Ray is no longer a chair at Cal-Tech JPL?<
As I understand it, they have a "rotating" chair ....
Innman is still on the JPL Oversight Committee, but someone else is now running it. Of course, that's only window dressing .... :)
Osiris195,
"You wanted some references regarding Jesus..."
No. I did not - just to supply some reference (preferablly historic [.edu]) that, in the multilngual Israeli culture of that time, Jesus, who was an acknowedged prodigy and lived close to a large religious and trading center, was somehow totally ignorant of Hebrew and Latin - among other languages - and thus spoke ONLY Aramaic. And therefore knew nothing of the terms: good and evil, and was incapeable of reading the Torah.
pif: NeoCons being just pre-68's Democrats it's far from right. Some of them might be, because the '60s and the '68 turned the Democratic party from Socialist-Democratics to Communist-Socialists, and it's when what we are living right now actually began. It's since late '60s that a worldwide group started joining forces to take over the world, what a few years ago was claimed to be called, in public, "The Thing 2"--a worldwide political party of all Socialists/Commies/'68 people and their supporters... And the name itself tells something if not even more than what you would expect... they surely didn't give such a name to themselves without a meaning...
Am I trying to argue that it's an alien-related name or something like that ? Well, in a word, yes. There is a connection there, up to which point it's unclear but I am quite sure that aliens and/or alien hybrids of different species/kinds/factions/worlds are supporting either "The Thing 2" group or the NeoCons and their allies or both. Something big it's really going on and I bet that it all actually started before the Roswell incident. It's pretty clear that humans/hybrids and/or aliens have changed history and are changing history by time travelling which is far from a fantasy. The truth it's hard to catch simply because there are so many factors in a continous mutation, many unknown groups either using or avoiding the clash that is going to happen between the main groups. All these info is actually there on sci-fi books, Tv series, movies and official scientific documents and so on--although it's far from being put in a crystal clear form, but it's there and it must be the will of some groups over the years just like some of them are actually allowing us to get some real details/features on official image data.
John Galt said...
>Interesting comment from the above article.
Deep Impact Spectra: Carbonate, PAHs and Some Amino Precursors in Comet Tempel I
>Carey Michael Lisse, Ph.D., Prof. of Physics, University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland, and member of the Deep Impact Science Team and Principal Investigator for the Chandra X-Ray and Spitzer telescope Deep Impact spectrometer results: "What have we concluded so far? It's still under work, but we've concluded so far that we see every major rock-forming element that makes up the Earth in this Comet Tempel I.<
Except for IRON .... :)
Sounds like "a fractionated fragment" of a mature planet's crust to me ... (because in that case, the iron would have separated out and formed the planet's core ... which would NOT then be represented in this Tempel 1 fragment).
Dude
Jesus spoke Aramaic. He knew Hebrew (which is a sister tongue as the alphabets are the same) and he might have known some Latin, just as the French might have known some German when they were occupied. Hebrew was used for some religious ceremonies but as a spoken everyday language, it had died out over 300 years prior to Jesus' time. Don't try to put a 20th Century spin on events that transpired 20 Centuries ago. It can't be done.
Tell me o great one, what is the difference between a Hebrew, an Israelite and a Jew?
PIF said...
All those too young to have voted for JKF - aredo et al - The term neoconservative - I repeat - is simplily a way to indicate that some people in the public at large who used to be Democrates changed parties and are now Republican because they did not like the direction the Dems were going and/or believed in fiscal/social policies which the 60s Dems and JKF supported - nothing more.
If you have to go back 45 years to link neo-con ideas to the Democrats - give it up ... you're grasping at straws.
If someone was not alive to vote for Kennedy, then you can't say that person "used to be a Democrate".
The people who "used to be" Democrats and switched were probably convinced that conquering Vietnam was as important as conquering Imperial Japan or Nazi-occupied Europe (which it was not).
It is THAT pro-war propaganda machine that was once bipartisan and has, since Bush I, found a home in the Republican Party.
Wayne Davis said...
>So who is handling the images for MRO?<
Depends on which camera .... :)
HiRISE (the one with the ~5 INCH resolution!) is run out of the University of Arizona.
The other cameras on the spacecraft were built by "Uncle Micky" .... :)
Of course, it makes not a whit of difference: it's ALL in the NASA policy for THIS Mission ... which we're going to test, to see if anything has REALLY changed ....
And yes, before anyone asks I am pretty sure that the "born in the '68" "The Thing 2" group and its allies (left-wing parties worldwide,no-global groups) and Al Qaeda along with connected groups and the Chinese communistic regime as well as KGB/Putin are all part of something bigger that keep trying , and so far successfully managed to , destroy human society and make it mutate into something else which could be more like some aliens factions/species feel to be the norm. Either that or it's just a way to destroy everything up. At the same time I think that NeoCon and Right-Wing groups are backed up by other alien factions which doesn't mean that those aliens are the good guys but that it's highly likely that they don't have a seek an destroy agenda on humanity and have other softer merging plans for us--otherwise they would have joined forces and be a single group long time ago in the '68s.
Well, Linda Howe is still a SCIENCE journalist, for my money, even if she does prefer the "snowball" model at present...I've noticed that her sources have gone from an estimate of 80% down to about 50% for the H2O in Temple I (two different scientists). Also, on her "Coast" segment last night, she referred to other cometary data which suggest an upper limit of 30% H2O for the Hale-Bopp and other comets. Also, Dr. Lisse mentioned that they're seeing lots of amino acid precursors and carbonates in the ejecta data, and carbonates are generally formed in LIQUID water...Also, possible carbon nanotubules are showing up! So, all in all, I think Linda put on a fascinating show, just not the one Richard will do on the Temple data.
SRC
RCH said,
Of course, it makes not a whit of difference: it's ALL in the NASA policy for THIS Mission ... which we're going to test, to see if anything has REALLY changed ....
I sure hope "Minnie" puts "Uncle Mickey's" jewels in the vice if he holds an image longer than 10 seconds. :) I would really love to know for sure, as would you. Thanks for the reply.
spaceracecase said...
>Well, Linda Howe is still a SCIENCE journalist, for my money, even if she does prefer the "snowball" model at present...<
I have NO idea what that means.
Compared to "whom?"
Shouldn't a journalist's (regardless of the adjective ...) role be to ask critical QUESTIONS -- especially, when presented with contradictory information ...? Like: the Spitzer Telescope data (acquired from 83 million miles distance) is BETTER than Deep Impact's data (acquired from ~5000 miles away)?
If that was the case, why did we spend the money ($333 million ...) to send a spectrograph ALL THE WAY TO THE COMET -- as I asked earlier?
The Spitzer data, by being acquired 83 MILLION miles away, averages together ALL the materials which came out of Tempel 1 in the days and weeks BEFORE Impact! What the Deep Impact team wanted see ( I thought) was what came out of tempel 1 just ON IMPACT!!
By referring to the Spitzer data, and NOT to the data taken by Deep Impact itself, Dr. Lisse was very deliberately skewing the data MORE toward the "standard, dirty snowball model" ... than if the data had been isolated to JUST what came out on Impact.
But, I guess you need some SCIENTIFIC background (to go with being a SCIENCE journalist) to realize that ....
Linda seemed to laugh off the controversy surrounding the properties of a comet altogether. Perhaps it was a condition of the interview ?
The tough questions would expose that there is some very shaky (debatable) science behind the story.
NASA is presenting evidence outside the court of American public opinion - and that was not the deal. This thousand points of light philosophy is new and is intended to make FINDING the NASA soothsayers as difficult as CONFRONTING their facts.
I sincerely hope that Coast to Coast AM doesn't allow this manipulation to continue. NASA should not be allowed to avoid scrutiny by using these media-savvy evasion tactics.
First, by patronizing journalists who ask politically soft questions, who turn into NASA spokespersons in front of 10,000,000 listeners.
Second, the only the watch-dogs NASA will have to face, is their lap dogs who happen to have the spare time and money to galavant to obscure far-flung conferences.
It's one thing to tell someone they are wrong, but quite another to put them in possession of the truth.
I kept flashing back to that military microbiologist Linda interviewed. He had taken his wife's last name and was working on panspermia. In that story, George questioned the credibility of Linda's 'insider', and Linda replied by dead-panning that the insider's mother was her unbiased source to balance the story.
Balancing the story sometimes requires questioning the source (trial by judge), other times, it requires equal time (trial by judge & jury). I trust that will happen because George Noory is as tactful as the day is long but I trust he is eminently wise and knows there are no coincidences :-)
My goodness, who knew a discussion about the launch of a new Mars surveyor satellite could spark a debate or argument about so much current Machiavellian politics.
But then, who knew that a few fuzzy pictures from an orbiter thirty years ago could fuel a heated debate about ancient civilizations on Mars.
The "Face" appears to be a rough, rocky rise, but the recent pictures indicate to me that part of the "Face" has collapsed in revealing what is really underneath. The "pyramids" themselves including the anomalous D & M Pyramid rise out of the sands revealing their glassy facets.
The Cydonia region looks as if it could be artificial, but I'm not convinced anymore.
Get an empty fish tank, place a chunk of quartz crystal and fill the tank with sand but leave the tips of a few crystal stems exposed. You might end up with a miniature Cydonia including a five-sided pyramid.
I hope they finally find Ray Walston- I mean, he DID go back, right?
Oris Bracken said:
"Sir Arthur said:
"Something is actually moving and changing with the seasons that suggests, at the very least vegetation."
Let's be clear: when we say that something is "moving and changing with the seasons" in the south pole of Mars, what we mean is that we see fluctuations in albedo occurring at high southern latitudes - nothing more. Some of the observed fluctuations occur on the peripheries of dendritic gully-networks.
Albedo fluctuations as a result of freeze/thaw cycles are very common - on Earth as well as on Mars.
See http://www-misr.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/galhistory/2005_may_04.html
Excerpt:
"About 50 million square kilometers of the Earth's terrestrial surface undergo a transition each year from freeze to thaw, thus setting off a series of global biospheric processes. Much of this activity can be detected by the temporal changes in the amount of sunlight reflected by the Earth's surface at various wavelengths. A quantitative measure of this reflected sunlight is described by the albedo, which is the fraction of sunlight reflected by a surface area to that incident on the surface area in all directions, typically in a given spectral band."
Also, check out the global snow-cover animations at the following links:
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a002400/a002487/
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a002400/a002486/
In the case of the Martian polar regions, it doesn't take anything more exotic than a few degrees of axial tilt, frost, dark fines, and a little bit of wind to get these patterns going. Is it possible that more factors are involved? Absolutely, but (so far as I can tell) the factors listed above are all that are NECESSARY to explain all the observations. Thus, the principle of parsimony (otherwise known as Occam's razor) identifies the frost/dark fines/wind theory as the most preferable at the present time. It is not that life has been ruled out in the vicinity of the dendritic features (or anywhere else on the planet Mars), it is that it is unnecessary to invoke it to explain all of the observations.
"Probable Martian surface organisms."
I checked your sources on this - it seems it wasn't Arthur C. Clarke who said that the photos showed "probable Martian surface-organisms", but a group of researchers from the Institute of Advanced Study in Budapest. Without question, these albedo-fluctuations might involve surface-organisms some-way-somehow, but that is totally different from saying that the dendritic formations are themselves `trees'. Any and all visible phenomena on Mars that show change over time might involve surface-organisms as far as we know - how could we prove otherwise?
"I've seen the latest microphotos, and some of them look very biological to me, but I'm not competent to decide."
`Sir Arthur' is talking about the microphotos from the Spirit and Opportunity rovers in the above quote - not the dendritic features imaged by the MOC in Mare Australe. You need to be a little more careful in copying and pasting a bunch of quotes into your responses under one attribution and (thereby) implying that all of the quotes come from one individual and refer to the same class of geologic features.
"Of course Banyan Trees are tropical but the analogy is good."
The dendritic gully-networks in the south pole share some plan-view characteristics with trees at > 5 m/pixel resolution...anything above that and it becomes apparent that these features are not aerial, but surface-bound, and in images at or near the resolution-limit of the MOC it is often possible to calculate the true topography of the features (i.e., that they are `recessed' as opposed to `raised') from the accompanying ancillary data (see below).
And in ANY case, the `analogy' we are talking about here is merely of the superficial, visual type - thus, the `Banyan tree' moniker is the very essence of `pareidolic'.
Here is a FULL-resolution image of the dendritic features from the MSSS database:
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e13_e18/images/E13/E1301971.html
If you calculate the sun-angle from the ancillary data, you will see that these are in fact negative-relief features.
"Doubt it is a case of pareidolia."
Hmm, I think you need to revisit your online dictionary. You might be surprised to find that it was `pareidolic' to think of these features as `trees' in the first place. Even if they had turned out to be some form of plant-life rather than dendritic gully-networks, it would have been a case of pareidolic free-association accurately divining the identity of a real phenomenon. Why? Because you started with an ambiguous shape in an image, and came up with a theory by projecting the first random analogy that came into your mind onto it. Pareidolic. ;)
"We are all following in the tradition of Lowell."
Lowell crashed because he could never accept the possibility that he might be wrong.
Unfortunately, the Mars Orbiter's "public request system" has this disclaimer.
"Public suggestions will be filtered to minimize duplication and frivolous input. NASA Quest and other partners will host web events and workshops to educate the public to encourage high quality suggestions." http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/public.html
So, what I'd like to know is how to pressure the people running the HiRISE to take pics of all the features we have come to know? Their minds are made up - even if you consider there is a group of people who wish to hide the truth, and people who wish to release the truth, there are still a large body of scientists who are just so blinkered and prejudiced to their own beliefs on "what can't be there". These people will be so bothered by any request to image Cydonia, or possible domes or plants or whatever that I'm predicting they're going to take one poor-res image (if that) and then publicly state on this page (or what comes in the future redesigns of Marsoweb) that no more shots of Cydonia will be imaged for any reason... and then give an excuse of needing to tend to their backlog of "high quality suggestions".
How to ensure that this filtration process is handled evenhandedly? To my way of thinking, appropriating data from ANY location on Mars is just as important as any other. No request is indeed "frivolous". Many new discoveries are made on this planet every day on retreaded observations of things considered to be "well known".
My fear is that they're going to staff the review board not with people who would wish to hide the truth, but rather with people who so violently oppose ANY challenge to their worldview that they would dimiss any request to image Cydonia as "rubbish". You know what I mean - the kinds of people who actually get red-faced and start hollering about how another scientists' theories are junk science and a waste of that other scientists' time. Those people, to my mind, are far more perilous in a quest for facts than people who really do know the truth and then seek to hide it.
Why can't we start a movement backing this guy?
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050814/D8BV9N2G0.html
PIF said...
"Templemaster333,
Neocon(servative)s for those who don't know are mostly 60s Democrats who worked for, voted for, and supported JKF. Who are viewed in certain quaters as traitors and railed against frequenly since they now support republican positions. But current Republican positions on most any issue are left of JFK's - take fiscal policy e.g."
TM: Yes, that it an accurate statement of their origins, but that was then and this is now. They have obviously gone through a transformation which makes them something quite apart from simply disallusioned Kennedy supporters. The very fact that they change their stripes so completely ought to be a red flag.
"The largest block of DC politicians who have no use for NASA include such well-know 'Neocons' as John Kerry (and ex running mate John Edwards), Ted Kennedy, "Leaky" Leahe, Nancy Pelosi, - oh shorten this to: the minority leadership in both Houses."
TM: Not much argument about that. Once I found out that Kerry was a fellow Skull and Bones frat brother of Dubya, I knew that we were not really having an election. The fact that when Edwards was picked as Kerry's running mate, he was almost immediately wisked off to a Bilderberger meeting made me want to puke. You are welcome to the trio of them.
"Saudia Arabia is the small tribal, brutally repressive country run by the practioners of the religion of peace mentioned previously. They have a lot of oil, but do not control the oil market any longer. The US has known and proven oil resourses which dwarf theirs, but PCness keeps that oil out of bounds - as with clean burning coal, oil shale which the US has in abundance."
TM: Yes, brutally oppressive and a creation of American and British imperialism. Their eventual creation became a forgone conclusion after the launch of "HMS Dreadnaught". Thing is though... they keep putting out that oil and stay fairly quiet. That is apparently worth a mountain of human rights violations. As for the last part of this, I am really surprised that you try to make any comparison between American and Middle East oil reserves. You obviously still think that more oil is the answer to the energy crisis and that idea will no longer fly.
"The above 'neocons' are the principle Congessional leaders who consistantly block the use of our resources, building new power generating plants, and refineries, perfering instead to rely on foreign sourses and higher consumer prices in order to keep the Enviro lobby funds flowing into their campaignes, to remain in power, collect and spend your tax dollars."
TM: Wrong. They (the neocons) want us to be dependent on foreign oil, especially MIDDLE EAST oil, in order to guarrantee that we will maintain an ever expanding military presence for the purpose of fighting wars for that OTHER little middle eastern country. You know... the one that controls our government and siphons wealth by means of such organizations as AIPAC?
"These are the same folks who have a vested political interest in dumbing down K-12 education, since an educated public would see through their patently false emotion-based arguements. They believe/feel they are - with their fellow travelers heading the departments of most universities - at the top of the rational elite pecking order. Which is why they have made their core beliefs into a new religion, with millions of dumbed-down adhearents who aspire to join this elite."
TM: Dumbing down K-12 education... You don't mean like one of the schools that our PRESIDENT attended, do you ? OH!.. excuse me...he was PRIVATELY educated.(explains a lot.)
"And, of course, their rational logic(sic) demands the end of NASA and any other idea which inspires or causes the public at large to dream. Dreams are dangerous to those who wish to hold absolute power."
TM: Absolutely no argument !
"Addendum: if you are old enough and voted for JFK, but now vote republican - you are by some deffinitions a Neocon."
TM: WAS a Democrat until after last election, hope to NEVER be a Republican (but I am open to being a republican with a SMALL r !)
crypt0 said...
"Linda seemed to laugh off the controversy surrounding the properties of a comet altogether. Perhaps it was a condition of the interview ?
The tough questions would expose that there is some very shaky (debatable) science behind the story."
Linda is generally very good at accurately reproducing what she is told in interviews and does dig out some interesting alternative science stuff. She has no equal as far as "cattle mutilation" investigations. However, she does seem to have an annoying "reverence" for mainstream scientific opinion and does not appear to ever try to contradict what they tell her. I can understand this , in terms of her wanting to cultivate sources in the mainstream scientific community, but I suspect that she may sometimes be limited by it.
Dag, perhaps said...
Raised Eyebrow said...
> Repeating my question from earlier today (since it hasn't been answered yet)...
>>I missed it somewhere, I guess... what is this DAG?<<
12/8/05 10:13 PM <
I too need to know the answer to this question. I have been posting (sparsley) under the name "Dag", but not as part of an organization. I do not want to introduce confusion to the comments section, and will choose another name to use, if necessary.
That said, I offer this for consideration:
Earlier in this series of blog comments, someone mentioned that the rotational period of Mars and Earth are approximately 24 hours, and other pairs of planets exhibit similar "paired" periods. Is it possible that Mars and Earth were tidally locked to the same planet in the past, released at the same time, and settled into different orbital distances from the sun, while retaining essentially the same rotational period?
I was under the impression that DAG might indicate that you are from the "Daily Grail" website. Please correct me if that is not the case. I used to frequent that very excellent group, but for some reason things started to feel a little stuffy.
I was the one who started the story that Earth and Mars may have been mutually tidal-locked and your suggestion about a third planet involved in the tidal lock with Earth and Mars both rotating around it is definitely worthy of consideration and I have recently started kicking it around. In order for Earth and Mars to be mutulally tidal-locked to the third planet, they would both have to have very tight orbits around it,unless it was an extremely dense object. There may even be the possibility that an Earth/Mars system orbited the third planet.There is one reality that could throw cold water on all of these ideas and that is that when you look at a table of rotational periods for the planets and check for matches, it immediately becomes clear that not only do Earth and Mars match up but Jupiter/Saturn and Uranus/Neptune also match up but to greatly different values. It would therefore be reasonable to ask if there is some principle of physics that causes specific rotational period. (e.g.,spacial vortices of some kind) at different orbits around the Sun ? Then again, there could have been a civilization at one time that commanded the forces necessary to produce these organizations.
Arc-en-ciel said….
>”In the case of the Martian polar regions, it doesn't take anything more exotic than a few degrees of axial tilt, frost, dark fines, and a little bit of wind to get these patterns going. Is it possible that more factors are involved? Absolutely, but (so far as I can tell) the factors listed above are all that are NECESSARY to explain all the observations."<
Your explanation of the dendrite-like freeze / thaw cycles is traditional and most likely close to correct. But some people think that because the dark spots are often outside of direct sunlight they might not be simply the result of freeze \ thaw. When we get better photos we will know.
>"....thus, the `Banyan tree' moniker is the very essence of `pareidolic'"<
Personally, I took Sir Arthur’s remarks about “Banyan Trees” to be allegorical poetic metaphor, rather than pareidolia … I think he even followed up the remark up by saying Mars was inhabited by giant gardeners.
Arthur C. Clarke, and certainly Oris Bracken, are not qualified as anomaly analysts. However, I do believe he is on to something. And, I feel the splotches are organic life --quite likely wet. I do not know if they are trees or shrubs or mats or lichens.
>”Lowell crashed because he could never accept the possibility that he might be wrong.”<
I was unaware Percival Lowell had crashed. (We should be so lucky.) Lowell pioneered what many are still trying to pioneer: discovering life on Mars and finding Planet X. Since his death in 1916 he has been buried near his observatory on Mars Hill.
As to life on Mars ... it's all guesswork at this stage of the game, some guesses more educated than others. Your links are excellent and you obviously have thought out the dark splotches more than I, re: in-depth photo analysis. Thank you much for the data :-)
I wonder why the ESA Mars eXpress hasn’t looked at the Banyan Tree forests? Or have they--
room322
Oris Bracken said...
Arthur C. Clarke, and certainly Oris Bracken, are not qualified as anomaly analysts. However, I do believe he is on to something. And, I feel the splotches are organic life --quite likely wet. I do not know if they are trees or shrubs or mats or lichens.
Anomaly Analyst is a new expression to me. I've always preferred "mystery guides" because many (more than you would expect) are used as pawns in an information game.
The Round Table, the Royal Society and countless other elite fetish cults are committed to slipping the truth - particularly to faction writers, rock musicians and especially science fiction writers.
Some are knighted for keeping up the appearance of Divine Inspiration as their source.
As for pareidolia, there are people who see the roads and artifacts using satellite imagery ... they trust their eyes and let the record of the rocks speak for itself until discovering it is images of Mars. That's when the true psychosis of hysterical realism sets in and the accusation of pareidolia is made.
It's a little like a homophobe clicking onto a xxx thumbnail of what appears to be a hot chick, then finding out he's bumped into a guy dressed in a neglige. The hysterical realism of "guys can't be sexy" sets in - it's the same psychosis as "there can't be ruins on Mars"
Britain is unique for its high history & low history dichotomy. Faction is a blending of fact & fiction in an attempt to reconcile the 'twin track' history model. In North American Libraries, faction can masquerade as Archaeology, Theology or any number of fields and sit on the shelf next to books that are ... shall we say, politically neutral, by comparison.
The people who own the high history usually whisper their justifications and version of events to people who will get their message out without selling them out.
fac·tion
Pronunciation (fkshn)
n.
1. A form of literature or filmmaking that treats real people or events as if they were fictional or uses real people or events as essential elements in an otherwise fictional rendition.
2. A literary work or film that is a mix of fact and fiction.
Adredo said
>#1 - Military satellites here on Earth have a resolution far higher than what people could believe and can zoom on a human hair with no quality loss -- and I bet they could analyze DNA directly from space by looking at atoms and even deeper (which doesn't mean that official/unofficial military and secret services really know about it because many of these features get used and active only when unknown hidden conspiracy groups use the technology.. for everyone else it looks something "more common based on known technology")<
I know someone who worked on “interpolation” of satellite images in the 80’s. This involves taking thousands of identical images in quick succession and then “blending” them to obtain incredible resolution. He says they could see the threads of a bolt on a tank from space, at night. The orbiters (some probably manned) over Mars are sending enough data, thru secret high-bandwith comms, to map the entire planet down to the millimeter. (see the program "google earth" for a very low res example of what can be accomplished). That's in addition to teams scouring the sites and setting up bases. It's no coincidence that "the Truman Show" is being re-released now. The other team is TRYING to wake us up.
Oris Bracken said:
"Your explanation of the dendrite-like freeze / thaw cycles is traditional and most likely close to correct. But some people think that because the dark spots are often outside of direct sunlight they might not be simply the result of freeze \ thaw. When we get better photos we will know."
I hope so! :-)
I'm going to look into the rest of your post more tomorrow, Oris - it's well after midnight and I'm just about to head for other responsibilities (the sacred bean brew needs brewing and I have a feeling some Nirvana/Ramones tunes are just waiting to be unleashed from that big, black, box-like thing that's attached to the shiny blue guitar-looking object over there in the corner, etc.).
Until then, here's a fragment of a short poem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox...
And if pretension for a time deceive,
And prove me one too ready to believe,
Far less my shame, than if by stubborn act,
I brand as lie, some great colossal Fact.
Apropos of Lowell. ;-)
an ESA image that wasn't censored enough...
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htm
The Liberal Hillbilly said...
>My goodness, who knew a discussion about the launch of a new Mars surveyor satellite could spark a debate or argument about so much current Machiavellian politics.
>But then, who knew that a few fuzzy pictures from an orbiter thirty years ago could fuel a heated debate about ancient civilizations on Mars.
>The "Face" appears to be a rough, rocky rise, but the recent pictures indicate to me that part of the "Face" has collapsed in revealing what is really underneath. The "pyramids" themselves including the anomalous D & M Pyramid rise out of the sands revealing their glassy facets.
>The Cydonia region looks as if it could be artificial, but I'm not convinced anymore.
>Get an empty fish tank, place a chunk of quartz crystal and fill the tank with sand but leave the tips of a few crystal stems exposed. You might end up with a miniature Cydonia including a five-sided pyramid.<
OK ... so, what about all that incredibly reflective GEOMETRY on the right (dawn) side of the face ...? :)
Wouldn't you like to have ~5-inch per pixel images of THAT?!
And, what would you like to SEE ... to make the ultimate decision that it's really artificial? Isn't that the problem: each of us has a subjective (as opposed to an objective, agreed upon) standard for "artificiality" ...?
The answer to NASA's thousand points of light : focus. Recreate their REAL paper models, not the projected truths.
Conclusions released with spun data at diverse locations, deliberately designed to fatigue the public and create some Hollywood style incestuous relationship between media and NASA ... at the expense of the public.
Contempt for the people without titles ... the unlettered lunatics who pay taxes and don't deserve to be shut out of the process. At a wedding, if the pictures are taken and the professional photographer complains of being overwhelmed ... don't they, morally, have to turn over the negatives ?
6 months to get there and 6 months to process, or over-process the negatives ? WTF ?
If the Good Guys want us to do anything, they basically, expect the Cockneys to write their own Low History, preferably based on a Hollywood pulp fictionalized info-tainment concerning secret societies.
Did God trust the secrets of the Universe to Tavern Masonry ?
Do people earning $50,000/yr really run the world ?
Would the real 'rulers' want to make it look tht way - while the patsies take credit for uninterrupted growth ?
Did the aristocracy simply hand over all their secrets (the real High History) to the public education system ?
Do scholarships, foundations etc - designed on Rhodes' model, to conceal the 'chaos of force and seizure' have anything to do with the confusion about ancient history ?
The people who named the Eastern Gate to the City of London, the TROY GATE never saw fit to tell anyone why. London, or New Troy, is mathematically aligned to Old Troy, using Jerusalem as a heel-stone.
Those same people named the Western Gate the MARS GATE. I have always taken this to mean that was the fourth range circle on the 'orthodox' Christian world view ... but after catching up on the 'prophesy' surrounding Mars : there's more to their secret than distance from Jerusalem.
We're not talking about people who are making street-level interpretations.
How much of these apparent coincidences we see are gifts from NASA ? Honouring some writer who foreshadowed something ...
How many are really accidents or lucky guesses ? and ... How many are ideas deliberately planted by politically active elitists - a class of people who, until 1840 or so, had a monopoly on things like the King's English, the Dictionary, the legal map of the country. The oligarchy, the King's Men, the "thin gray line' had the power to create Freemasonry in 1717 and rebuild London ... while concealing the REAL ancient world view and the ancient understanding beyond this world to neighbouring ones.
While our cynical NASA turns its public relations into a media relations office and this reconnaisance orbiter is on its way, has anyone got any comments ?
The Beagle's 'disappearance' from public (and ESA) view is even more mysterious, considering the remote control was operated by the masters of dark-archiving and suppression.
Cynics are welcome to criticize ...
B.E.Verins said...
>Unfortunately, the Mars Orbiter's "public request system" has this disclaimer.
>"Public suggestions will be filtered to minimize duplication and frivolous input. NASA Quest and other partners will host web events and workshops to educate the public to encourage high quality suggestions." http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/public.html
>So, what I'd like to know is how to pressure the people running the HiRISE to take pics of all the features we have come to know? Their minds are made up - even if you consider there is a group of people who wish to hide the truth, and people who wish to release the truth, there are still a large body of scientists who are just so blinkered and prejudiced to their own beliefs on "what can't be there". These people will be so bothered by any request to image Cydonia, or possible domes or plants or whatever that I'm predicting they're going to take one poor-res image (if that) and then publicly state on this page (or what comes in the future redesigns of Marsoweb) that no more shots of Cydonia will be imaged for any reason... and then give an excuse of needing to tend to their backlog of "high quality suggestions".
>How to ensure that this filtration process is handled evenhandedly? To my way of thinking, appropriating data from ANY location on Mars is just as important as any other. No request is indeed "frivolous". Many new discoveries are made on this planet every day on retreaded observations of things considered to be "well known".
>My fear is that they're going to staff the review board not with people who would wish to hide the truth, but rather with people who so violently oppose ANY challenge to their worldview that they would dimiss any request to image Cydonia as "rubbish". You know what I mean - the kinds of people who actually get red-faced and start hollering about how another scientists' theories are junk science and a waste of that other scientists' time. Those people, to my mind, are far more perilous in a quest for facts than people who really do know the truth and then seek to hide it.<
We're going to have SO much fun with this!!
First of all, it will take a good lawyer about ten seconds to demonstrate that the published criteria for "frivolous" imaging are TOTALLY undefined. Therefore, they are legally INVALID.
Second, the composition of the panel making the decision must be opened to public scrutiny.
Third ... well, you get the idea ....
The fact that The University of Arizona/NASA MRO Team is ON RECORD about wanting to solicit "high-quality" public imaging requests has created a hole in the "NASA Maginot Line" big enough to fly the Enterprise through .... :)
Law is built on precedent. NASA, through malin, has ALREADY "allowed" public imaging of Cydonia, my "glass tunnels," and a host of other "anomalies" all over Mars. These efforts have demonstrated a simple scientific fact: we simply need MORE resolution .. .to decide the issue of artificiality.
MRO finally has that for us.
So, one of the key weapons in getting new, state-of-the-art imaging is the SIMPLE scientific argument: increased resolution ....
Excellent points B.E. ... which we (and I do mean WE!) will ALL have enormous fun persuing ... to a successful resolution (sorry ...) of this enormous ~30-year-old "problem."
Stay tuned. :)
Gort said...
>What if some of the craters on the Tempel 1 comet are not craters, but"piazzas", like the large round public "square" in front of St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City.
>What if a piece of exploded planet the size of Manhattan Island happened to have remains of an ancient city (or part of a city) on it. And then, what if our government sent a solid chunk of copper the size of an oil drum to collide with the ancient architectural ruins and create a real crater the size of a sports stadium. And this attack was unprovoked "shock and awe"? Wouldn't that be some kind of international (or intergalactic) crime?
>What is the ritual significance of attacking the Temple (Tempel) on the Fourth of July (Independence Day)/July 3 JPL time.
Is it a symbolic "separation of church and state?"
>Is it a shot that hits the bow?
Any input on the allignments?<
These are all very thoughtful questions ... which we will address in the MAJOR "Deep Impact" paper we are currently preparing.
As to the "ritual alignments" for Deep Impact -- on Launch, and at Impact -- Dan Perez could oblige us there. I simply haven't had the time as yet .... :)
re: this image: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htm
I've been reading/viewing RCH's material for over a decade and have finally decided to join this community. I'm a bit of a skeptic but since i'm a numbers/conspiracy theorist from way back I have noted the various arguments with interest. I've done a lot of research on the history of secret societies, especially with reference to the awakening of the English Empire in Elizabethan times, and the role played by a Master Rosicrucian/Freemason in driving the colonisation of Virginia - Sir Francis Bacon. I've studied Bacon's secret life for 17 years and he aligned everything he did through numbers: notably 33, which is the Elizabethan simple cipher signature for Bacon (which also means Beacon, because in Eliabethan times Bacon was pronounced Beacon), and 67, the simple cipher signature for "Francis". Added together they make 100, the Greek number of perfection.
(Elizabethan simple cipher is simple: I/J and U/V were the same in Elizabethan times because there were only 24 letters in the alphabet: A=1, Z=24.
BTW, Bacon's "Muse" was Pallas Athena, the Spearshaker.
Anyway, because Bacon was such a numbers "freak" (he worked in the Elizabethan secret service as a cryptographer), number patterns cannot be ignored, and indeed seem to be followed by people of power, of which Bacon was one of great positive power.
But back top the jpeg outlined above. I would like to help out as a photoshop "expert". I've analyzed this photo and done the following: converted to CMYK, upped the contast dramatically and reduced the yellow channel to 0. The remaining pattern on the flats is NOT product of LOSSY, ie: the loss of data associated with JPEG image compression, because the data loss is not evident in the mountainous areras, or some parts of the flats. The result is stunning. I'm just amazed what has been uncovered. I can upload this pic if someone tells me how. Or people can email me.
regards
Michael Taylor
mv.taylor@xtra.co.nz
B.E.Verins said... at 13/8/05 8:59 PM
> Unfortunately, the Mars Orbiter's "public request system" has this disclaimer.
> "Public suggestions will be filtered to minimize duplication and frivolous input. NASA Quest and other partners will host web events and > workshops to educate the public to encourage high quality suggestions." http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/public.html
> So, what I'd like to know is how to pressure the people running the HiRISE to take pics of all the features we have come to know? Their > minds are made up - even if you consider there is a group of people who wish to hide the truth, and people who wish to release the
> truth, there are still a large body of scientists who are just so blinkered and prejudiced to their own beliefs on "what can't be there".
> These people will be so bothered by any request to image Cydonia, or possible domes or plants or whatever that I'm predicting
> they're going to take one poor-res image (if that) and then publicly state on this page (or what comes in the future redesigns of
> Marsoweb) that no more shots of Cydonia will be imaged for any reason... and then give an excuse of needing to tend to their
> backlog of "high quality suggestions".
> How to ensure that this filtration process is handled evenhandedly? To my way of thinking, appropriating data from ANY location on
> Mars is just as important as any other. No request is indeed "frivolous". Many new discoveries are made on this planet every day on
> retreaded observations of things considered to be "well known".
> My fear is that they're going to staff the review board not with people who would wish to hide the truth, but rather with people who so > violently oppose ANY challenge to their worldview that they would dimiss any request to image Cydonia as "rubbish". You know what I > mean - the kinds of people who actually get red-faced and start hollering about how another scientists' theories are junk science and a > waste of that other scientists' time. Those people, to my mind, are far more perilous in a quest for facts than people who really do
> know the truth and then seek to hide it.
Well said . . . well said! You are of course hitting the red nose right down the center.
Now - what should the solution be? Buraucrats, politicians and 'scientists' are all the same. They are all afraid of loosing their income, positions, carriers and power in the well established iron clad corridor hierarchies . . . or organized secret priesthood as it were. So . . . what should we do to tear down the 13th century walls that defend the few or many who have their helmets pulled down to far and too tight? Something for us all to ponder about . . . is it not?
Regardless. RCH (together with his trusted comrades) is the only realistic team leader or coach we have today. We - the still invisible masses who are trying to break open the locked pandoras box - can not do this as individuals. We have to come together and really work under one leadership to pull or push as it were together to force changes upon the masonry work that developed the '33-kingdom'.
Anonymous said... at 13/8/05 9:42 PM
> Why can't we start a movement backing this guy?
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050814/D8BV9N2G0.html
You are right. This is another example where only the masses can change things collectively. The oil companies will not. They have everything to loose, and probably will make every effort to put the brakes on great gas mileage. 250 miles per gallon sounds like a dream, however, now it seems close to reality. So what do you propose we should do? Send a dollar each? I'm not joking.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050814/D8BV9N2G0.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050814/D8BV9N2G0.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050814/D8BV9N2G0.html
Any hint on when Deep Impact paper will be finished? I know that is a hard question and I probably shouldn't have asked, but it can't hurt.
Gort said...
>What is the ritual significance of attacking the Temple (Tempel) on the Fourth of July (Independence Day)/July 3 JPL time.
Is it a symbolic "separation of church and state?"
There is a terrestrial companion to the sky-chart. The arbitrary connecting of dots to form constellations in the sky are used to form coastlines, city names etc.
For all we know, Deep Impact may have been chosen because it is known to NOT be altered. Maybe Tempel I is known, through its shape or prior knowledge, to be a chunk of a polar region, where ice would be more prevalent.
No matter how convoluted they make their metaphors, I think the sky chart MUSt interface with the terrestrial chart - as above so below.
The striking of a comet - something painted into every turning point tapestry in history - must be high on the prophesy-o-meter.
At the shallow end of the prophesy, maybe that naiive provocation is a precursor to a wave of Black Ops craft buzzing cities to ratchet up the Homeland Security.
At the deeper end, there could be a multi-layered explanation that fits or pleases more than one group or objective.
PIF said...
> Kalter said,
> the spec at several sites of 1m/pixel. But, at yesterday's MRO news conference they quoted a spec. of 1 FOOT/pixel resolution!!!
> A check at the following site also verifies the 1 FOOT/pixel spec!!!
> And I've seen 5" res. Sounds like the same meter foot confusion claimed for earlier probe demise - else setting stage for less
> than expected res on final images. Then bjorns reports res down to 4.3"/pixel. Some will see MRO images at 4.3, others at
> 1 meter - us. And few will see the subsurface images.
For those who have not seen it yet:
Copy/paste this official NASA web address to your browser:
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/
then . . . click on any of the top images for next page to open . . . then drag
zoom slider to 16 . . . resolution becomes 11 cm per pixel or 4.33 inches
per pixel. cm to inch conversion: divide by 2.54
The images are somewhat large, so a regular dial-up 52k connection may
just be too slow.
I'm sorry to drone on and on about this...
...but I have to...
I think we're dealing with some kind of
...attempted takeover of the system...
It might be why you're not getting what you
want...
Flourine and prob. other chemicals are being
used to make the system susceptable to
takeover.
I think mobile phone radiation is also being
used (the phone freq just happens to be at
the resonating freq of the human skull).
With the use of these things it is possible
to
a. make them feel mad...voices...hallucinations
etc.
b. make you believe that they are effecting reality
in 'insane' ways ie. tricking one into
doing things _on_a_syncronicity_ that makes
it SEEM like you made the sun come out or
something...
I know what you're thinking now...
IS THIS GUY CRAZY ?
Well, _I_ don't think so ! :-) You'll
just have to check this yourself (yourselfs?)...
djbarney
mike taylor: In fact it's pretty evident that there is a texture pattern added to the surface along with other complex 3D rendered objects/features. The original data it's almost completely covered and the majority of the image it's a fake. The anomaly there is that's one of the few ESA images where it's possible to see the censorship in a not perfect state and that something got covered up below all the rendering.
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/23/2005.06.23.S0401142.gif
Guys, I find this Malin's one particularly interesting. The definition is still good at 400% magnification, and the plains look littered with buried blocks and ruins. Amazing. Sometimes I am under the impression that those MSSS guys posting their pictures there are just quietly trying to bypass the Brookings' rule.
According to the good older rule:
"If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear" (Matthew 11:15; 13:9, 43; Mark 4:9,23; 7:16; Luke 8:8; 14:35).
'f course here what matters is to
SEE
:)
And, yes, I too, have read Dune, (1st three books).
Look at this one:
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/18/2005.06.18.S0500647.gif
For a single while, let us consider the fact that animals on Earth, can be found much easier close to water sources.
When I look at this posted pic (magnified at 300%), I see not only boulders, but also MANY worm shaped objects (of course they could just be aligned boulders ...). Another weird thing is, the worm shaped objects are mostly ALL aligned the same direction, like they would move altogether towards a common goal.
Water pours out of underground cavities.
Here, we could see boulders only, or we could also see martian (anaerobic) worms getting out of the ground with the daylight, and back into the caves when the darkness of the night freezes everything outside. It would be (for animals on Earth) a natural life rythm.
It could happen on Mars? (Exo)biologist will tell us, provided that they have access to information.
What I love more of these Mars missions is, they let our mind free to wildly speculate on a bunch of new possibilities. I don't believe that none of them is good.
Fascinating.
We may find the "melange" on Mars and clear our way to the stars ...
Freemen anyone?
aredo said...
sunking: commies like you are a disgrace to whole humanity. You go around claiming what the media told you about the Bush family instead of thinking and analyzing real factors. People like you just help conspiracy groups out there to keep secrecy and hide the truth, which is probably a good thing to be done to those like you that don't even try to analyze things and facts but just claim what a political group agenda tells them to to smash their enemies. Apply this behaviour of yours to the real truth that's been hidden and anyone with a grain of salt would simply say that it's good to hide the truth from you because you could only be dangerous and create issues at an unknown scale.
Forgive me Richard et. al., but I must!
Aredo,
Your statement to me reflects abject ignorance...of me and the facts!
I am no communist, served in the US Navy during Vietnam, married 29 years, 3 daughters, went to school on GI Bill majoring in computer science, pay taxes and probably voted for Bushes more times than many (living in Florida), but not last time. So take your "communist" label and shove it!
I unfortunately came to my senses about the Bush regime too late, just as the War of Iraq Oil started. And it was not at the behest of the Democrat party...it came as the result of reading books and analyzing events and thinking long and hard.
In 1921, journalist Johnathan Lippman said that the only way a government can successfully rule is via "the manufacture of consent", and thus began thought control. I submit that the time between 9/11 (and especially the last half of 2002 and early 2003) and the start of the "war" in March 2003 was entirely devoted to manufacturing the consent of the citizens of the US to back Bush's actions. It was one of the greatest psyops ever done, truly worthy of study, and any politician who would have dared oppose it would have suffered, whether by airplane "accident" or simple "Rovian" machinations. Oh, do study the life and ways and means of Herr Rove...very enlightening and and indicative of how the psyops was so successful.
If you ascribe to the definition of fascism as the merging of a right wing government with the corporate world, well we've got it. You'll have noticed, between your readings of Our Reptile Friends, that Big Oil has received every break and advantage they've wanted...whilst reporting record-breaking profits! PLUS, the US is currently using a delaying tactic called Not Truly Fighting A War, the benefit of which is to delay as long as possible so we can maintain an occupying force on the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world.
And can anyone deny that the Military/Industrial Complex (i.e. The same folks who benefitted from the assassination of JFK) is profitting handsomely? Certainly there is nothing wrong with a government having a good realtionship with business, but this bunch has subtly crossed over the line to fascism.
The neocon PNAC group has been entirely underestimated by Americans. Not only has it laid out a definitive plan, but the plan has been enacted (thanks to the Rebuilding Of America's Defenses (ROAD, lol) requisite Pearl Harbor event in 9/11) and it's members have assumed critical positions of power (e.g. Wolfowitz - World Bank; Bolton - UN). SO let's assume that this Cheney-led group have a litle sumpin' sumpin' gwine on here!
NOTE: Go read who the financiers and backers of PNAC were (e.g. Intel, M/I Complex, FAR right-wing types)....very revealing!
As I suggested in a previous blog, and as has been alluded to in this blog, the removal from the scene of NASA would pretty much leave the space around our globe in the hands of the DoD. Their goal is to have equipment (hi-tech, hi-cost, all from your friendly M/I Complex pals) in space from which we can spy and rain missles down on whom we please, with out the pesky problem of requesting some country's permission to fly bombers over. Won't THAT be handy?
PLUS, we can blow up anyone else trying to enter the space arena...or escape earth. Cozy, eh? Is THAT how you or any thinking persone want's our presence in space to be?
In Frank Herbert's God Emperor of Dune it is discussed how the planets of the empire were controlled by keeping transportation simple, innovation at a minimum...the object being to keep the populace from thinking too much about the possibility of moving from planet to planet, to keep them content with the life they had and to continue to produce at a steady, reliable level.
Anything seem familiar? As I sat wathcing 2001 Space Odyssey for the first time in 1968, I never would have thought that we'd be using the same form of daily transport, that elevators would screw up as often as they do, that keeping the A/C going would be such a pain...that the people of Earth would be locked onto this planet. Sure we have innovation on the things that keep our minds on the pablum...video games, NASCAR, wrestling, NFL....buy buy buy, easy credit, live the good life, I owe my soul to the company store.
That and the innovation of advanced way to easier kill more people is IT!
Nothing for the real benefit of mankind!
Nothing to give hope and purpose like the the exploration of space could give!
I believe in America...just not the current fascist version of it. And you and people that think like you suck!
Oh...I DO, believe that there is an alien lizard in Condi...look at her face whenever Dubya gets in front of reportes without a script!
Again Richard & Crew, forgive the rant.
davehodesto,
Hope I got that right.
Q: In this blog format, how do we make links "clickable"?
Please help. :)
SunKing
You shouldn't spend so much precious time responding to drivel. Most of us know the true history of the Bush Clan, from Samuel (WWI), to Prescott (WWII), and now the latest generation of Bush banksters. The fact that Rove is the hand in the puppet speaks volumes. But even hands-in-puppets work from a script.
I've struggled with the fact that Kerry is a fellow Bonesman, BUT you have to give the guy credit for going to Vietnam and volunteering for dangerous duty. Also, his ACTIONS throughout his life have led me to believe he is not on the dark side. But he did such an ineffective job of campaigning that I still have to wonder. He should've beat Bush bad enough to overcome the rampant election rigging, which I witnessed a small part of personally.
And to PIF,
Regarding the Rove/Plame affair: I went to factcheck.org, as you suggested, and read the entire synopsis, thinking your counterclaims would be validated. However, I couldn't find any info to back them up.
For instance, "It has been now documented that Saddam got 150 tons of low grade uranium from Nigeria prior to the war"
Please back that up with a reliable reference.
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Richard,
I read the article referenced by Mike Taylor above, and am wondering if you are in contact with J.P. Skipper - the ?owner? of marsanomalyresearch? He seems to know quite a bit about the specs of the various imaging cameras, the use of imaging software, doing very similar work, and asking for the public's help with the politics of official silence. I don't know if you see him and others (doing similar scientific imaging work) - not seemingly connected to TEM - as competitors or collaborators. I would like to think that all of you doing this sort of demanding work are at least sharing the same data and results, even if there are differing points of view on origin and so on.
Certainly with the barrage on images soon to come from MRO, I would think that all of you would be working together on the images, even if each of you reaches differing conclusions about the interpretations.
Us peons have to depend on your collective expertise with the images to understand your ideas and conclusions.
The Hale Crater images - make your own:
In Photoshop CS (8)
(Grab the image of Hale Crater from ESA)
Crop the mountain range in the center of the crater - from the high peak on the right -with the right to left downward gully feature, to the entire left most ridge, to bottom of image.
At 100%, you should discern on the left most part of the range, almost centered directly beneath the largest bright peak and 1/2 way to image button a faint reddish circle with an oversized X thru it. This is one area where protrusions of some kind lie. This view should be roughly 400K in size.
Save this image - make sure you save at the largest size (12).
Now you have choices to make - do you follow MTaylor's directions or JP Skipper's?
From the saved image, make 2 duplicates - add to the name of on CMYK-b, to the other CMYK-a
Taylor converts the RGB image to CYMK, While Skipper 'removes the color' - presumably also converts to CMYK.
Take the one called CMYK-b and go Image - Mode - CMYK - save that. The size should be about 550k.
Take the other called CMYK-a and go Image - Mode - CMYK - save that. The size should be about 550K.
To follow Skipper: in the Layers/Chanels/Paths Pallet, select Channels. Uncheck (make invisible) Cyan, Magenta, Yellow. This gives a washed out B&W image. Save.
Skipper's Image is at 180%. so make both the same percentage.
To follow Taylor: Do the same, but only uncheck Yellow ("reduced the yellow channel to 0"). This gives a bluish-red image. Save.
From this point it appears both "upped the contast dramatically". In Skipper's example: Under Image - Adjustments - Brightness/Contrast, pull the Contrast slider right to between +90 to +95, the Brightness to the left between -75 to -85 and protrusions begin to pop out. Producing an image close to Skipper's which is a bit sharper and seems to have a redish-brown color added. Save
For Taylor: do the same, the Brightness to the left between -25 and Contrast slider right to between +90. Save
You now have 2 very different representations of the same thing - from here in becomes a matter of playing with the various tools to achieve some decent result. I think Skipper's method is easier and produces quicker results, very close to the Hale Crater enlargements on his site.
What is fake or not, no one has yet pointed to anything specific, which would be nice to know. Note: leaving only the Yellow channel active produces an interesting result.
Arc-en-ciel said….
>”Apropos of Lowell….“<
Re: Percival Lowell, this year is “75th anniversary discovery of Pluto”. The website Room322.com has posted a short SF&F story to honor this initial Kupier Belt sighting.
I am not a professional animalist hunter, nor an experienced blogger. My participation here is because we have a rare opportunity to interact with Richard C. Hoagland, whose imaginative work I much respect (and enjoy). I doubt RCH can long keep up with this pace of blogging, plus, do his prime investigative - exploratory writings. So this blog window may close as quickly as it opened. 'Use it before you loose it'.
Currently, my main Mars interest is: Lack of major anomalies in the ESA eXpress photos! Per suggestion from Massimo, I am reviewing the 220 ESA posted high resolution images--
room322.com
Massimo,
The image link esa.int/externals/images/1_3a4.jpg - do you have any idea where this image was taken?
It does not seem to be in the ME image collection.
Thanks
http://www.esa.int/externals/images/1_3a4.jpg
Hi PIF,
Like this the link works: I managed to open the image.
As far as I know, it was one of the very first taken (or posted) by Mars Express.
http://www.esa.int/externals/images/ColoredMap.jpg
I am 90% sure THIS was the first one posted ever.
Dave,
Thanks and you are no doubt correct.
"But a man's gottta do what a man's gotta do!"
Adding a quick note on LMH and RCH discussion:
Apples and oranges. Linda Howe is a reporter.
Richard Hoagland also has reporter qualifications. But big difference is, Richard is a topic in and of himself to be reported on. He is someone Linda might interview. Richard in addition to being and investigator is a commentator, an interpreter initiator of theory and content. He is an intellectual explorer of new lands pointing out his discoveries to the world; for better or for worse.
So these days RCH is a NewsMaker, not just a news reporter … though he’s a damn fine one—
webmaster
room322.com
Mr Hoagland....Am I on the right blog here ?:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/secret-july-4th-surprise_12.html
djbarney
>Massimo IT said... http://www.esa.int/externals/images/ColoredMap.jpg
I am 90% sure THIS was the first one posted ever.
14/8/05 11:54 AM <
hi massimo,
please, tell what we might find in that image?
thanks,
uni
Mike Taylor said...
>re: this image: http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-evidence.htm
>I've been reading/viewing RCH's material for over a decade and have finally decided to join this community. I'm a bit of a skeptic but since i'm a numbers/conspiracy theorist from way back I have noted the various arguments with interest. I've done a lot of research on the history of secret societies, especially with reference to the awakening of the English Empire in Elizabethan times, and the role played by a Master Rosicrucian/Freemason in driving the colonisation of Virginia - Sir Francis Bacon. I've studied Bacon's secret life for 17 years and he aligned everything he did through numbers: notably 33, which is the Elizabethan simple cipher signature for Bacon (which also means Beacon, because in Eliabethan times Bacon was pronounced Beacon), and 67, the simple cipher signature for "Francis". Added together they make 100, the Greek number of perfection.
(Elizabethan simple cipher is simple: I/J and U/V were the same in Elizabethan times because there were only 24 letters in the alphabet: A=1, Z=24.
>BTW, Bacon's "Muse" was Pallas Athena, the Spearshaker.
>Anyway, because Bacon was such a numbers "freak" (he worked in the Elizabethan secret service as a cryptographer), number patterns cannot be ignored, and indeed seem to be followed by people of power, of which Bacon was one of great positive power.
>But back top the jpeg outlined above. I would like to help out as a photoshop "expert". I've analyzed this photo and done the following: converted to CMYK, upped the contast dramatically and reduced the yellow channel to 0. The remaining pattern on the flats is NOT product of LOSSY, ie: the loss of data associated with JPEG image compression, because the data loss is not evident in the mountainous areras, or some parts of the flats. The result is stunning. I'm just amazed what has been uncovered. I can upload this pic if someone tells me how. Or people can email me.<
Mike, welcome aboard!
LOVE the part about Bacon's muse .... Could it BE any plainer (the more arcane will know EXACTLY to what I am referring ...)!!?? :)
Cyrpto will also love your cipher studies ....
On the image: I've been VERY sceptical of this "Hale discussion" -- mainly, because it was originally "found" on a highly modified ESA "perspective" shot of the Hale crater. Imaging artifacts abound in such dimensional transformations ....
If you have solid evidence to the contrary, please send it to Mike Bara -- at Lunar Anomalies (linked at Enterprise in the "Open Hailing Frequencies" section). He'll forward it to me ....
Thanks.
Lesley said...
>Any hint on when Deep Impact paper will be finished? I know that is a hard question and I probably shouldn't have asked, but it can't hurt.<
Oh, impatient lass .... :)
Remember Orson Welles' great line ....
"Make no wine ... before its Time."
Love Orson .... :)
Id say the arcane symbolics being used by the Masonic 33rd degree/royal ancient Egyptian connection is a belief system that I surmise from reading past TEM articles,,a sign of preparedness of some sort. All these missions regarding Mars,and the deep impact Tempel I mission..are pretty much linked up. They want to confirm EPH(Exploded Planet Hypothesis)and want to see if our ancestors were located in the vicinity of the missing planet. Remember that TVF says that asteroids and comets are 3 million years old and essentially originated in the same location between jupiter and mars. Inside the tektites found on Earth are 'Shock Diamonds'which is another major clue to Mars origin. Would this new orbiter have the ability to discover shock diamonds embedded in iapetus and Mars? Thanks RCH.
What are we to make of LMH's contention that "...the Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral results when the impactor slammed into Tempel I."? (Emphasis added)
After all, Deep Impact didn't so much "slam into" Tempel 1 as it scurried out to a position where it would be run over by it...
'Anybody out there have the wherewithal to work out the angular rates at impact?
Certainly "they" wouldn't have spent all that money without incorporating that consideration into their design and simulations, right?
How sensitive to pointing accuracy were the instruments?
Was there not sufficient margin built into their control-system response characteristics?
Is there more embarrassment than conspiracy at work here?
Could it be that the "gorgeous" Spitzer data set is all we'll ever see?
OH! The pain! :(
Spaceship: they already know how to Dock people at an orbiting International Space Station. They learned by trial and error. It has been worked out. both the Soviet and American Celestial Mechanics found out that accelerating towards a satellite causes the miss of the satellite. You dont accelerate a ship towards a satellite and catch up with it. It will miss.
Bjorns said...
>PIF said...
>> Kalter said,
>> the spec at several sites of 1m/pixel. But, at yesterday's MRO news conference they quoted a spec. of 1 FOOT/pixel resolution!!!
>> A check at the following site also verifies the 1 FOOT/pixel spec!!!
>> And I've seen 5" res. Sounds like the same meter foot confusion claimed for earlier probe demise - else setting stage for less
>> than expected res on final images. Then bjorns reports res down to 4.3"/pixel. Some will see MRO images at 4.3, others at
>> 1 meter - us. And few will see the subsurface images.
>For those who have not seen it yet:
>Copy/paste this official NASA web address to your browser:
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/imageViewer/
>Then . . . click on any of the top images for next page to open . . . then drag
zoom slider to 16 . . . resolution becomes 11 cm per pixel or 4.33 inches
per pixel. cm to inch conversion: divide by 2.54
>The images are somewhat large, so a regular dial-up 52k connection may
just be too slow.<
NOW I hope everyone sees why I'm so excited by the potential of THIS Mission .... And why it's timing is ... so ... intriguing. :)
Yes, we're talking INCHES per pixel!! We WILL see the "lawn furniture" (to paraphrase Malin a long, long time ago in the Washington Post, in response to me ...)
IF -- we can get the politics to fall in line ....
This (the politics) will NOT be easy. But they ARE doable .... Look what we did with Discovery .... :)
….Looking through public file of ESA Mars eXplorer images. The magnificence of this collection, of the vast ruggedness with accompanying desolation, is overwhelming.
My mind says: the high quality ESA cameras have photographed enough of Mars that some major anomalies should appear.
Even NASA's Mars Surveyor has amazing capabilities, like showing details of the Rover landing site. Here’s example quote
“….NASA will direct Mars Global Surveyor to reexamine the Mars Polar Lander crash site using a special technique to improve the camera's resolution to 0.5 meter per pixel. Malin hopes the new observations will provide conclusive evidence needed to officially close the case of the missing Mars Polar Lander….”
Remember, ESA eXplorer --right off the bat-- found the water NASA had never acknowledged. Here is a January 2004 quote on the eXplorer camera:
"….ESA also presented astonishing pictures produced with the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC). They represent the outcome of 1.87 million sq. kilometres of Martian surface coverage, and about 100 gigabytes of processed data.
"This camera was also able to make the longest swath (up to 4000 kilometres) and largest area in combination with high resolution ever taken in the exploration of the Solar System.
"This made it possible to create an impressive picture 24 metres long by 1.3 metres high, which was carried through the conference room at the end of the press event by a group of 10-year-old children….”
Surely, if there are possible signs of life and signs of past civilizations (like those images enhanced from the older cameras) the ESA eXplorer by now must have captured them-—
room322.com
> unipax said...
>Massimo IT said... http://www.esa.int/externals/images/ColoredMap.jpg
I am 90% sure THIS was the first one posted ever.
14/8/05 11:54 AM <
hi massimo,
please, tell what we might find in that image?
thanks,
uni<
Hi unipax,
not the best example, this pic being just the first ever posted baout Mars Express. Nevertheless, the easiest example of anomaly here can be seen at the bottom right corner. Two hills, one N, the other S, in between what looks like a sort of dam closing the valley between them. Quite regular shape, rectangular. Just 1" NNE the dam, a quasi-elliptic object, looks out of place there, casting a shadow underneath as it lightly stands on the lower side of the hill. I must say it could be anything. An expert like Keith Laney could quickly tell what it may be (even just geology). But it reminds me something like the remnants of a radiotelescope ... another possibility is, a BIG winged flyer. Something one would expect on a martian flyer, with such a rarefied atmosphere.
On the right of the elliptic object, on the other side of the valley, it is more foggy, but one could see some linear structures, like pipelines.
Best viewed in black and white, then enhance (about 50%) lighting and contrast. I was not able to do much better with this pic, it is full of undesired patterns, I think artificially superimposed.
> Oris Bracken said...
….Looking through public file of ESA Mars eXplorer images. The magnificence of this collection, of the vast ruggedness with accompanying desolation, is overwhelming.
My mind says: the high quality ESA cameras have photographed enough of Mars that some major anomalies should appear.<
I believe that the images placed on the ESA site have no better resolution than the msss ones, and often they have less. I am guessing, but I believe they have never been better than 10 m /pixel, while msss ones go down to 1.5 m/pixel. only they are sort of ..."artistic"? Maybe too much, but yes, many are impressive.
As I said in a previous post of mine, THIS is what i love most: I call it "Dark Castle"
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/032-060404-0097-6-co-02-VallesMarineris.jpg
In the dark valley just above the middle of the pic. this picture looks better than others to me, and can be magnified more. Mostly on its right, one can see some regular pattern, and even if the faint lights are the reflex of the sunset (or sunrise?), one could imagine that something VERY alien live there ...
I do love this one. And the best is, MAYBE there truly is an alien castle there, or the derelict of one of our very past places.
Would I go and see for myself? Of course yes! At once. Maybe with a good BFG 9000 at hand ... :)
I'm happy to be proven wrong on this pic I found on Skipper's site. I've just not seen loss patterns in flat areas of jpegs like the patterns I see in this image. I did use the ESA image for the amendments though, not any from Skipper's site.
SunKing said...
Q: In this blog format, how do we make links "clickable"?
'Snot "this blog format"... It's HTML.
Read about it here
We stand on the shoulders of giants :)
I like Massimo's "Dark Castle". Skipper's Mars site has very good content.
If the high resolution ESA eXplorer images now on line --260 images-- are not of their top quality, where are those highest quality photos?
The ESA site says "every week we update ... with images from our collection." Maybe their 'collection' holds the answers.
But,what motivation does ESA have to withhold images, or confirmed information, about Mars?
These chromatic ESA Martian vistas make great scenic postcards. I'm ready to book a flight--
room322.com
Massimo,
Questions:
1) How do you navigate from the ESA page: esa.int/esaCP/index.html to the Directory: esa.int/externals/images/? I have not discovered it yet.
2) What is the name of the 1_3a4.jpg area? Like Valles Marineris.
3) Where is the raw image data, or tiff images? Jpg is not good enough.
4) If they took humdreds/thousands/millions of shots, where are the rest? Only some 200 odd ME shots are available and many are of things besides Mars.
Excellent blog. WIll return frequently. Loads much faster than website (stupid dialup) :)
cheers
Suggestion: Google search for un shown pictures of the image sets. They seem sequential or in series.
A posting earlier told the story about the Mars image with the blue sky that was later pulled, but he found it by file name in a simple Google search, now simply unshown but still accessable.
oris bracken,
this quote: “….NASA will direct Mars Global Surveyor to reexamine the Mars Polar Lander crash site using a special technique to improve the camera's resolution to 0.5 meter per pixel. Malin hopes the new observations will provide conclusive evidence needed to officially close the case of the missing Mars Polar Lander….”
Great comment in all, by the way!
The quote of Malin(I think?) demonstrates very well, the capability is already there for quality imaging. Period. Min. 100 Gigabytes mentioned. O.k!?
Well shown!
Soooo, there are pictures, and virtually everything is shot now. The whole globe imaged or close and about to get significantly better "reconniassance" resolution with MRO on route right now. Mere months away from a serious upgrade.
These other programs already working are going to be old tech real soon and retirable. So what value holding back so much, even into the Next Generation of Imaging Quality and Target Acquisition?
Too big a secret to want to let out? Yet, we are all feeling a little held back, aren't we? A with-holding? Then to realize a much much bigger picture makes restriction and intended limitation here, become absurd in our ultimate tinyness. Yet we are still "grasping" for control. We have learned so little, to be still - trying to get a grip- A struggle with Ourselves, still.
So what if there is a bigger picture? Do date we(humans) are our own worst culprit! "if" There are others, their doing a great job staying out of our destructive self conflicted ways!
The hold back---holds back---everything.
The pace of growth and development could move exponentially faster with Openness, isn't that what Glasnost translated to? Openness.
We really control nothing, our notions otherwise are mere illusion of mind and a play with small petty power, relative to the cosmic and worldly scales, that we now dare to force our ingorant way into, with lowbrow conduct. This is not our best, Globally. It is sad how stripped of right conduct it really is as we barge into space with a few cheesy number rituals and cultic ferver with low power esoteric "effort".
Prayer to a Space Program:
May you find clarity in verity, and learn velocity in veracity.
Get That!
IonTruO2 said..
HI - click
Thanks, got it.
hi iontru02
I tried your email again without www. Did you ever receive it?
uni
{LH}The "Face" appears to be a rough, rocky rise, but the recent pictures indicate to me that part of the "Face" has collapsed in revealing what is really underneath. The "pyramids" themselves including the anomalous D & M Pyramid rise out of the sands revealing their glassy facets.
{LH}The Cydonia region looks as if it could be artificial, but I'm not convinced anymore.
{LH}Get an empty fish tank, place a chunk of quartz crystal and fill the tank with sand but leave the tips of a few crystal stems exposed. You might end up with a miniature Cydonia including a five-sided pyramid.
{RH}OK ... so, what about all that incredibly reflective GEOMETRY on the right (dawn) side of the face ...? :)
Rough quartz or an unfinished formation partly exposed by the landslide.
{RH}Wouldn't you like to have ~5-inch per pixel images of THAT?!
Would I ever!
{RH}And, what would you like to SEE ... to make the ultimate decision that it's really artificial? Isn't that the problem: each of us has a subjective (as opposed to an objective, agreed upon) standard for "artificiality" ...?
Building blocks. Manufactured building materials. Boxy, cut against the grain, stacked in regular patterns. If I could see these sort of things, there would be no doubt in my mind then. But somebody would need to see this with his or her own eyes and last I checked I didn't have a spaceship :(
What DID I mean by that comment, anyway?...I mean that I think Linda Howe is committed to finding out the truth, no matter where it leads or how strange it is. I did NOT mean that Richard Hoagland somehow is not...Having said that, I am wondering about Linda's comment that the Deep Impact mothership was somehow pointed incorrectly and that the spectral data will therefore be degraded (when we finally get it, that is!). I don't recall her source, but I know she doesn't make stuff up...Now, could a scientist (or science journalist, or science blogger) have such a strong bias toward a particular theory that he/she could unconsciously "bend" data to that theory's demands?? I think that has to be a Yes...I hope Linda isn't doing this. In any case, I think the "real" data from Deep Impact will make it down the science food chain to us before too long, in part because of the work Richard is doing...I LOVE this forum. SRC
GRR8 said...
...they already know how to Dock people at an orbiting International Space Station.
A 19 gigajoule "docking"?! :)
Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.
The impactor didn't miss.
The issue seems to be whether the "mother" craft was up to the task of tracking events immediately after the impact.
The Liberal Hillbilly said...
LH}Get an empty fish tank, place a chunk of quartz crystal and fill the tank with sand but leave the tips of a few crystal stems exposed. You might end up with a miniature Cydonia including a five-sided pyramid.
You will NEVER get a 5 sided pyramid from a hexagonal quartz terminator NOR will you ever get a Tetrahedron ( 3 sided ) at least not perfect one like we see at Cydonia.
geometry from a quartz crystal. In this particular dimension we very very rarely find tetrahedral or pentagonal crystal terminations. There is Quartz which is hexagonal and there is a rare crystal from India ( I think ) that has four sided terminators. I can't remember the name of the crystal right now ... it's something like Apocolyte or something similar to that. It's quite rare as well.
What we see at Cydonia is far to organized to be a few random crystals (and extremely huge ones at that) poking out of the sand. And then of course the Face is not a crystal geometry at all.
I'm in agreement with RCH on this one ... something very odd is down there and it certainly looks artificial to me.
But that's just me I guess ...
Massimo IT said...
>http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/23/2005.06.23.S0401142.gif
>Guys, I find this Malin's one particularly interesting. The definition is still good at 400% magnification, and the plains look littered with buried blocks and ruins. Amazing. Sometimes I am under the impression that those MSSS guys posting their pictures there are just quietly trying to bypass the Brookings' rule.
According to the good older rule:
"If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear" (Matthew 11:15; 13:9, 43; Mark 4:9,23; 7:16; Luke 8:8; 14:35).<
Another possibility .... :)
Hey RC,
The link to that Mars image has a few of those mysterious dark streaks in there again.
However at high magnification I am having trouble seeing any littering of blocks.
Any particular area I should be look at in this frame ???
How many of you are holding onto one or more Sierra Leone "Face on Mars" stamp sets? I am.
PIF said... 'brian c, I thought you might do the factcheck.org scene first.'
OK, I went to factcheck.org and read their latest Plame article. They say, "We have no idea whether Karl Rove or anybody else has broken the law". If they don't know, how can you?
They write: 'Novak tells Rove he had heard that Joseph Wilson’s wife, who worked for the CIA, played a role in Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger. Rove confirms the story to Novak without mentioning Valerie Wilson’s name or covert status, saying “I heard that, too.” ( Rove ... Talk on C.I.A. Officer, NY Times, July 2003). Novak will later write that he originally acquired the information from an official who is “no partisan gunslinger.”'
OK, who told Novak this originally? This question seems to remain unanswered. Thus, I do not see anything at factcheck.org (in an admittedly cursory inspection) to support your claims here.
PIF said... 'She was never a real covert agent, nor undercover - she's a deskbound bureaucrat. The law says after 5 years no harm no foul in revealing a name. It was 6 years prior she had a very brief assignment which could be - by stretching it a lot - considered as covert.'
Do you have a source for this? This is from a recent article in The Economist:
'To have violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the exposer must be authorised to see classified information, must know the officer is undercover and must know that the CIA is taking “affirmative measures” to conceal the operative’s identity.
[...]
Certainly, damage was done. The CIA was indeed taking “affirmative measures” to protect her identity. The agency has since kept her from publishing an article clarifying what happened, saying it could damage their work.'
Also, see this article:
'Eleven former intelligence officers are speaking up on behalf of CIA officer Valerie Plame, saying leaking her identity may have damaged national security and threatens the ability of U.S. intelligence gathering.'
PIF said... 'She was "outed" by her own husband - see Vanity Fair article - both are posed and interviewed. Every one in DC knew who she was and what she did - even to a listing in Who's Who, for pete's sake.'
Not sure what you mean by the "Vanity Fair article", I did some hunting and found this one. It was ten pages and I kind've skimmed it, but didn't see anything like what you described. I may have missed it, or been reading the wrong article though, could you please be more specific here?
PIF said... 'It has been now documented that Saddam got 150 tons of low grade uranium from Nigeria prior to the war, all ValP husband's statements were fabricated'
Documented where?
PIF said... 'A non-story.'
Will you hold to that view if a jury decides otherwise? Personally I think the larger issues of this case are the lengths to which the Bush administration went to "sell" the Iraq War. But anyway, this is getting pretty far offtopic... I think the bottom line is we'll have to wait and see.
Djbarney said...
>Mr Hoagland....Am I on the right blog here ?:
>http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/secret-july-4th-surprise_12.html<
Yes, that was a Guest "Captain's Blog" by Dr. Robin Falkov -- on the subject of the impending (then) CAFTA Agreement, up for a vote in the House. It won by ONE vote ....
PIF said...
>Richard,
I read the article referenced by Mike Taylor above, and am wondering if you are in contact with J.P. Skipper - the ?owner? of marsanomalyresearch? He seems to know quite a bit about the specs of the various imaging cameras, the use of imaging software, doing very similar work, and asking for the public's help with the politics of official silence. I don't know if you see him and others (doing similar scientific imaging work) - not seemingly connected to TEM - as competitors or collaborators. I would like to think that all of you doing this sort of demanding work are at least sharing the same data and results, even if there are differing points of view on origin and so on.
>Certainly with the barrage on images soon to come from MRO, I would think that all of you would be working together on the images, even if each of you reaches differing conclusions about the interpretations.
>Us peons have to depend on your collective expertise with the images to understand your ideas and conclusions.
>The Hale Crater images - make your own:
>In Photoshop CS (8)
>(Grab the image of Hale Crater from ESA)
>Crop the mountain range in the center of the crater - from the high peak on the right -with the right to left downward gully feature, to the entire left most ridge, to bottom of image.
>At 100%, you should discern on the left most part of the range, almost centered directly beneath the largest bright peak and 1/2 way to image button a faint reddish circle with an oversized X thru it. This is one area where protrusions of some kind lie. This view should be roughly 400K in size.
>Save this image - make sure you save at the largest size (12).
>Now you have choices to make - do you follow MTaylor's directions or JP Skipper's?
>From the saved image, make 2 duplicates - add to the name of on CMYK-b, to the other CMYK-a
>Taylor converts the RGB image to CYMK, While Skipper 'removes the color' - presumably also converts to CMYK.
>Take the one called CMYK-b and go Image - Mode - CMYK - save that.
>The size should be about 550k.
>Take the other called CMYK-a and go Image - Mode - CMYK - save that. The size should be about 550K.
>To follow Skipper: in the Layers/Chanels/Paths Pallet, select Channels. Uncheck (make invisible) Cyan, Magenta, Yellow. This gives a washed out B&W image. Save.
>Skipper's Image is at 180%. so make both the same percentage.
>To follow Taylor: Do the same, but only uncheck Yellow ("reduced the yellow channel to 0"). This gives a bluish-red image. Save.
>From this point it appears both "upped the contast dramatically". In Skipper's example: Under Image - Adjustments - Brightness/Contrast, pull the Contrast slider right to between +90 to +95, the Brightness to the left between -75 to -85 and protrusions begin to pop out. Producing an image close to Skipper's which is a bit sharper and seems to have a redish-brown color added. Save
>For Taylor: do the same, the Brightness to the left between -25 and Contrast slider right to between +90. Save
>You now have 2 very different representations of the same thing - from here in becomes a matter of playing with the various tools to achieve some decent result. I think Skipper's method is easier and produces quicker results, very close to the Hale Crater enlargements on his site.
>What is fake or not, no one has yet pointed to anything specific, which would be nice to know. Note: leaving only the Yellow channel active produces an interesting result.<
Yes, I'm familiar with J. P. Skipper's work. On some things we agree, on some thing we disagree -- as with all serious researchers.
On the matter of the Hale crater "patterns," I'm quite sceptical. However, I'm willing to be convinced ... if someone can demonstrate the same geometry on a NON-PROJECTED Mars Express image ... and, much better, SIMULTANEOUSLY ... on a Mars Odyssey or Mars Surveyor image!
And, of course, in a year of so, on a MRO set of "context" and HiRISE images .... :)
And, I'll be looking at Mike Taylor's efforts -- which he offered here -- in the interim ....
Unfortunately, I strongly suspect that this could all be a trap!
If one highly touted "artificial" image (the Mars Express projected image) can be shown to be either inadvertant "artifacts" of the ESA imaging process itself, or outright fakery by others -- [it is hoped by our opposition] that current public support of and interest in "anomalies on Mars" will be severely diminished over time ... if not ultimately eliminated!!
So, one must be VERY, VERY careful.
To me, the "artificial" pattern in Hale Crater simply looks too "fresh" to be consistent with the extremely ancient ruins we see in other parts of Mars, and in other spacecraft data sets.
In fact, it looks a bit like corporate farming ... in Kansas!
And, Dorothy, we're DEFINITELY NOT in Kansas anymore!
So, I am sceptical .... :)
GRR8 said...
> ... Remember that TVF says that asteroids and comets are 3 million years old and essentially originated in the same location between jupiter and mars. Inside the tektites found on Earth are 'Shock Diamonds'which is another major clue to Mars origin. Would this new orbiter have the ability to discover shock diamonds embedded in iapetus and Mars?<
Unfortunately .. no.
But it WILL see (and resolve clearly -- for the first time) stunning artificial ruins ... all over Mars ... LOTS of them! :)
Spacechip said...
>What are we to make of LMH's contention that "...the Deep Impact mothership was not pointing exactly the right way to get the best spectral results when the impactor slammed into Tempel I."? (Emphasis added)
>After all, Deep Impact didn't so much "slam into" Tempel 1 as it scurried out to a position where it would be run over by it...
>'Anybody out there have the wherewithal to work out the angular rates at impact?
>Certainly "they" wouldn't have spent all that money without incorporating that consideration into their design and simulations, right?
>How sensitive to pointing accuracy were the instruments?
>Was there not sufficient margin built into their control-system response characteristics?
Is there more embarrassment than conspiracy at work here?
>Could it be that the "gorgeous" Spitzer data set is all we'll ever see?
>OH! The pain! :( <
Again, Spaceship, all EXCELLENT (and quite perceptive) questions ....
We are being CONNED!! No other way to say it.
But--
In my upcoming Enterprise "Deep Impact" analysis, I shall provide definitive documentation of this sad fact -- using Michael A'Hearn's OWN WORDS at the "morning after" press conference at JPL ... where he BRAGGED over "the precise pointing of the Deep Impact fly-by spacecraft instruments at the 'moment of Truth.'"
Which, of course, was BEFORE he and his Team members discovered (to their shock?) just "what" Deep Impact had observed ....
Stay tuned.
Hi All,
Anyone who wants to read about Mind Control and Conspiracy is invited to check this very well wriiten assesment here.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/mass_mind_control.htm
I am about halfway thru the article and I am a firm believer in Conspiracies and the Secrecy game and I am even floored a bit from some of the content here.
Definitely a must read if you believe NASA has some secrets to hide. It just points out just how easy it is and how it can be accomplished.
Addenedum to my last post.
I guess if we are to understand how we are being hoodwinked ... we need to understand what techniques are being used to manipulate us. The link I gave in the earlier post will shed some light on this.
Here's an excerpt from said material and it seems to fit with the NASA org.
What a lot of people don't keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations and promoting bogus ideas.
In the scientific community, this can work in any number of ways, the most common being "proprietary organizations" that fund research that leads nowhere in order to keep someone with promising ideas busy. It is not stretching things to consider that "exciting new ideas" or areas of research might be promoted for the express purpose of vectoring scientists into following false and time-wasting research so as to prevent them making significant breakthroughs. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties. According to investigators, these F.B.I. programs were noteworthy because all documents relating to them were stamped "do not file." This meant that they were never filed in the system, and for all intents and purposes, did not exist. This cover was blown after activists broke into an F.B.I. office in Media, Pennsylvania in 1971. What we do not know is how far and wide the practice extends, though we can certainly guess.
There exists in our world today a powerful and dangerous secret cult.
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IonTruO2 said... 14/8/05 8:02 PM
> Suggestion: Google search for un shown pictures of the image sets. They seem sequential or in series.
> A posting earlier told the story about the Mars image with the blue sky that was later pulled, but he
> found it by file name in a simple Google search, now simply unshown but still accessable.
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Please share with the rest of the bloggers how specifically to go about searching the ESA library of
unpublished images. I don't believe it is that simple as to just Google for unpublished images from
the ESA database that is not intended for the "public" at large. But if you have the solution, please
share with the rest of us how-to.
Kevin said... lots of interesting stuff.
CoIntelPro sounds like an American version of something vaguely referred to as The Errors of Commission in the British Empire. Purposeful obfuscations designed to sow the seeds of deception ... to mask the strict hierarchy that existed during the Victorian Era. Planting delusions in the marketplace of ideas that are dressed up as "natural truths" is only one modus operandi.
Science was never class neutral and science that is not in the service of commerce has no redeeming value.
Social science was also steered away from the tough questions : How does knowledge translate into territory ? What distinguishes an explorer from a visitor or tourist ? Who created the suburban economy ? Who maintains it ? Services it ? It's the same people.
The History of Territory (they, the owners) was thrown into a blender with the History of Polity (we, the renters).
In the past, LIKE TODAY, science was never class neutral and gullability was something to exploit. The big questions were reserved for the Gentlemanly Cult of Knowledge (The Royal Society) because they alone had the 'appreciation of the landscape' to devise the key terms used in academia.
History itself is skewed ... Cicero gives Herodotus the title "father of history", but Herodotus would not be too happy with the History-in-Books we have today. Herodotus correctly told us to study the monuments, the geography and our eyes would be opened for a panorama. Cicero knew this was DANGEROUS advice, so he spun, or steered History into the literary art it is today ... all free association and few measurements.
Atlanticism has been tied up with NATO history since WWII, but it is the old term for planted ideas that white-wash the British Empire as laissez-faire, expansion of the Empire is a drift-type of natural migration and boldly advance the idea that the people in, say, Jamaica or Barbados chose their own economies. Perhaps the absentee owners made it look that way on paper, but as we all know, it's not the reality the ground. Throughout the Empire, "settlers" are cast as "speculators".
We have a stratified society and all the Holy Blood and Holy Grail flights of fancy cannot white-wash the real function that secret societies played on the ground in the 18th and 19th centuries - we can measure their buildings, plot their bank accounts and see who benefitted. We can also look around the world at what happened to leaders of countries that tried to adopt a different redistributional system.
The world and The Enterprise Mission needs to hear more about the 20th century CoIntelPro operations ... and don't be surprised if it walks like a class-warrior duck and quacks like one. You don't have to be communist to find it inherently un-American and the EXACT favourtism that most American immigrants (on leaky boats & wagon trains) hoped against all hope that they would leave behind in Europe.
Before the Railroads brought civilization to the wilderness, the explorers brought the wilderness to civilization ... and how do those books read today ?
And aaalways remember ... the word "plunder" in pig-Latin is "under-play" ... and "cess" is "essay".
Unipax, Hi
Yes I did receive it and I replied back to your e-mail.
RIchard said about my comment on Hale Crater "So, I am sceptical .... :)"
Richard - I am as well, since there are so few images publically available - All I was trying to do was show others here how to get to the point that Skipper et al used as their starting point and let everyone see what it was and make their own judgements.
Just a qualification about my previous stuff...
The Grey thing MAY BE a mask that something is
using...like the new suited up US riot squads...
Just checking :-)
It is from this posting from "Dag" about the blue sky shot, that I contemplated the notion that perhaps the pics not shown or openly listed, may still be searchable. I am no expert in this, thus a suggestion only, but many of the pictures seem to be numbered in order or sets and series. So perhaps a basic Google search of the next numbers that would follow beyond a public picture file number might surprise to find undisplayed pictures. Hugely tedious? Perhaps and really a needle in a hay stack process, but some people like the scavenger hunt.
Here is his original posting from 08/05:
Dag said...
Just a little off topic, but this has bugged me since I saw it. On August 18, 2004, the Opportunity Press Release Images web site posted this photo with inset:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a/10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1_br2.jpg
Then, a couple of days later (or maybe even the next day) it was removed from the web site. After a few more days, the original was replaced with the image that is still posted on the rovers press release images.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a.html
I happened to save that original image because of the startling contrast between the background image and the inset. Does anyone else other than me think the inset more accurately depicts "true color"? Also, a nice deep blue sky would indicate a substantial atmosphere, wouldn't it? And, beside the fact that the inset was even replaced, the poor quality of the replacement (in black and white, no less) tells me that someone doesn't want us to know about it!
A Google search of the original image name (10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1.jpeg) led me to the first link above.
5/8/05 1:01 PM
My apologies, that was to "bjorns".
Thanks for the HTML info/guidance, spaceship! I'm just an old RPG programmer with not 'nuff knowledge about this new fangled stuff! ;)
Massimo IT said...
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/23/2005.06.23.S0401142.gif
Guys, I find this Malin's one particularly interesting. The definition is still good at 400% magnification, and the plains look littered with buried blocks and ruins. Amazing. Sometimes I am under the impression that those MSSS guys posting their pictures there are just quietly trying to bypass the Brookings' rule.
According to the good older rule:
"If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear" (Matthew 11:15; 13:9, 43; Mark 4:9,23; 7:16; Luke 8:8; 14:35).
I looked at this image and some others and what I notice most is that things that look like craters from far away sometimes look like PENTAGONS or HEXAGONS closer up. Would a civilization be so obsessed with these shapes as to put them all over the place? Richard, has anyone ever tried to MODEL the surface of Mars using fractal geometry / chaos principles combined with crystalline properties of known minerals that exist there and see if it is possible that these shapes could arise naturally on a large scale ?
IonTruO2 said... 15/8/05 6:17 AM
> My apologies, that was to "bjorns".
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I see what you are saying - it requires some patience added to general old fashioned web detective work. A lot of times it is as simple as to continue the numerical order in the address line. But if imges are "forbidden to the public the images are no longer available on the "public" servers. That's what I meant.
I must have missed the blue sky picture. That one almost looks too blue, but it is what it is. Interesting indeed.
More work required from all of us, and more specific evidence is what we need. A lot of theories are floating around. Not everything is backed up properly with evidence. Of course - evidence is what is hard to find. Digging it up is part of the answer.
Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
The high res image is a must. ESA title: "Water ice in crater at Martian north pole".
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter should re-image this one as well.
My thought looking at this blue "water oasis" is simply that I do not understand it.
NASA and ESA and every scientist there is tells us how dusty it is on Mars, but yet
here we have a truly clean piece of ice(?) that has no evidence of being covered in
red sand or anything else for that matter. I know that this is close to the north pole,
cold, but still over time there should have been sand or dust particles from the 'famous'
martian dust storms having covered this baby by now.
A perfect blue/white space pearl. And to have a color like that, does that not require a
blue(ish), cool colored sky that reflect back onto the ice? A red/orange sky that NASA
keeps showing us would make the ice more warm in color as well.
Thoughts from established scientists?
Crypt0:
Regarding a previous post of yours: I've had a suspicion for a while now that locations on the global grid correspond to stars, constellations, etc... I was wondering... What, if any, latitudes/longitudes on Earth correspond to the Pleiades star cluster, Alcyone in particular? If you don't know or are wondering where I'm going with this, don't worry about it, I'll figure it out... but I would at least appreciate a nudge in the right direction as to how this whole grid-mapping thing works without delving too heavily into Masonic lore (call me superstitious but the stuff gives me the heebie-jeebies).
Thanks
Hello all,
Just browsing through some news items this morning and ran across this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8915562/
Seems that these scientists are basing their research on an increasingly unprovable assumption, that asteroids and meteorites originated in their present form. Giving the supposed age of the solar system, even if you were to throw out the exploded planet hypothesis (which I would not), how logical is it to assume that just because a bunch of hunks of rock are orbiting in a particular place, that they have been there since the beginning? How have we gotten to this point, where nothing is questioned anymore? They get their grant money and then produce a result that the grantors (if that is a word) want to see. Can I scream now?
Sincerely,
an increasingly frustrated engineer from Kansas (Garold)
P.S. I apologize if this is off topic.
bjorns said...
"Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
The high res image is a must. ESA title: "Water ice in crater at Martian north pole".
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter should re-image this one as well.
My thought looking at this blue "water oasis" is simply that I do not understand it.
NASA and ESA and every scientist there is tells us how dusty it is on Mars, but yet
here we have a truly clean piece of ice(?) that has no evidence of being covered in
red sand or anything else for that matter. I know that this is close to the north pole,
cold, but still over time there should have been sand or dust particles from the 'famous'
martian dust storms having covered this baby by now.
A perfect blue/white space pearl. And to have a color like that, does that not require a
blue(ish), cool colored sky that reflect back onto the ice? A red/orange sky that NASA
keeps showing us would make the ice more warm in color as well.
Thoughts from established scientists? "
15/8/05 7:24 AM
Yes, a VERY revealing image. Look at the highest resolution one and notice the "notch" at one end of the lake.
Also notice in the immediate area around it that there are small round holes or pools. Is there thermal hot spring activity beneath the lake here ? Could this be one of many sources of the Formisano gas measurements ?
bjorns,
Well put.
Dag's example suggested to me that perhaps maybe some images are not "forbidden", just not shown or listed.
That blue was indeed bright in his one example, and there were two or three additional blue sky links that I copied. Richard H suggested it may simply serve as a subtle "message" leaked.
me-Perhaps more so than an authentic colour sample.
I feel there are alot of "smoking guns" and some times they seem entangling more than anything else.
Fortunately I don't bear the burden of proof, and so I can work a little bit more intuitively and offer seed ideas to those far more qualified than I, to piece all together with their often more advanced scientific knowledge.
IonTruO2 said...
15/8/05 8:54 AM
> bjorns,
> Well put.
> Dag's example suggested to me that perhaps maybe some images are not "forbidden", just not shown or listed.
> That blue was indeed bright in his one example, and there were two or three additional blue sky links that I copied.
> Richard H suggested it may simply serve as a subtle "message" leaked.
> me-Perhaps more so than an authentic colour sample.
> I feel there are alot of "smoking guns" and some times they seem entangling more than anything else.
> Fortunately I don't bear the burden of proof, and so I can work a little bit more intuitively and offer seed ideas to
> those far more qualified than I, to piece all together with their often more advanced scientific knowledge.
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. . . about the burden of proof . . .
Fair enough. I think that thought applies to many of the bloggers . . . myself included.
Still . . . keep on digging and share the evidence when uncovered . . . teamwork . . .
Check out this image.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/127-291004-0438-6-co-01-CopratesCatena_H.jpg
Area of severe collapse. Several Pentagonal craters. One case of a pentagon within a pentagon. Also a possible pyramid, crumbled and ruined by the total collapse of the ground beneath it.
templemaster333 said...
15/8/05 8:52 AM
> > bjorns said...
> > "Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
> > http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
> > (etc.)
_ _ _
> Yes, a VERY revealing image. Look at the highest resolution one and notice the "notch" at one end of the lake.
> Also notice in the immediate area around it that there are small round holes or pools. Is there thermal hot spring
> activity beneath the lake here ? Could this be one of many sources of the Formisano gas measurements ?
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. . . in addition . . . notice the perfectly shaped walls forming the round shape. Again - I said walls . . .
Check it out everybody . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
Richard, Please take note:
Following some studies to do with Ayan-Memphis, I came across a source of some good information on ancient Egypt that might be of some value in considering the motives behind Nasa's cultish premise spoken of earlier.
Here is one segment that stood out for me:
as a "Follower of Horus" he was the incarnation of the overseeing plane witnessed by the piercing eyes of the Horus Hawk high up in the Sky, the height of heaven. "Heru-ur", "Horus the elder" (cf. shrine of his sanctuary at Sekhem where he was worshipped in the form of a lion), was the son of Re and Hathor (of Qesqeset), indicative of the first phase of the assimilation of the sacred Pharaoh: Horus is the outcome of a merge between the (rising) Solar religion and the sacred, Lunar powers of the Great Sorceress;
Pharaoh is the unity of the Two Lands. He creates in himself an active, masculine action ahead(cf. like a free electron), fed by the continuous rejuvination caused by the daily Solar transformation....
To Pharaoh belonged everything before any deity had come into being. This can only mean that Pharaoh is before Atum. HE is the son of Her who bore Atum, namely the Sky-goddess(or "Nut", the feminine consort of Nun).
Pharaoh is the son of the Great Sorceress herself! So how could his magic fail? Her sacred powers are incorporated in Pharaoh, for he is the son of both Re and the Sky-goddess(Hathor).
He is Horus and he is the son of Re.
Now, the link goes into much more detail, quite academic, of the Way in those times, notably relating to Horus.
If you already know all this info, forgive my redundancy.
http://maat.sofiatopia.org/heka.htm
One final pun to keep it fun!
"I understand and Sia Hu of Truth!"
(see a hue)
me so funny! ha! ha!
bjorns,
you said:
Still . . . keep on digging and share the evidence when uncovered . . . teamwork . . .
Here Here!
Staying Tuned...
templemaster333 said...
> 15/8/05 9:13 AM
> Check out this image.
> http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/127-291004-0438-6-co-01-CopratesCatena_H.jpg
> Area of severe collapse. Several Pentagonal craters. One case of a pentagon within a pentagon. Also a
> possible pyramid, crumbled and ruined by the total collapse of the ground beneath it.
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. . . and I can't help but looking at the shiny(?) light golden "slit" at the bottom/middle of that image. Fascinating.
Templemaster333 said...
>”I looked at this image and some others and what I notice most is that things that look like craters from far away, sometimes look like PENTAGONS or HEXAGONS closer up.
“--Would a civilization be so obsessed with these shapes as to put them all over the place?--”<
This is why the fine quality ESA photo ‘collection’ is so important. They should be available to compare and match to NASA images.
I have now made my way through the ESA Mars eXpress hi-res photos. They are beautiful, but I’m disappointed. For a satellite that has been snapping the best ever Mars pictures since January 04, this is a pitifully small collection.
I would think Europeans who investigate Mars anomalies would be demanding access to their eXpress ‘collection’ as a whole! The general public’s postcard pretty photos should stay in place as exhibit, but researchers need access to ALL images.
I still can not come up with a ‘logical’ ‘reason’ why ESA (or NASA) would hide photos with anomalies. I mean, if they found cities on the moon or little green women on Tempel1 why would they not report? What would be the benefit if withholding such info?
Am now following the path recommended by IonTruO2 and Bjorns and doing in-depth web searches for missing eXpress photos.
Something is very suspicious that the finest camera ever put in orbit about the Red Planet has not shown any major anomalies--
Room322.com
Go to the ESA SEARCH block and type "Cydonia"...it's will take you to a FAQS link, click it and read the reason why they say they do not have pics of the Face.
bjorns said...
templemaster333 said...
> 15/8/05 9:13 AM
> Check out this image.
> http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/127-291004-0438-6-co-01-CopratesCatena_H.jpg
> Area of severe collapse. Several Pentagonal craters. One case of a pentagon within a pentagon. Also a
> possible pyramid, crumbled and ruined by the total collapse of the ground beneath it.
_ _ _
. . . and I can't help but looking at the shiny(?) light golden "slit" at the bottom/middle of that image. Fascinating.
Yes, it appears to be a region of high reflectivity along a ridge...BUT... that ridge is also immersed in the collapsed area, or so it appears. At any rate, there are NO OTHER high reflectivity anomalies of that brightness on the image !.....RICHARD!,RAISED EYBROW ! ...HELP!
Richard, Hello
I was reading a clipping I discovered from 1995 July Popular Science, that certainly adds to the discussions about an "exploding planet" or as I have touched on, elements from some of the Sitchen story that I read.
It has to do with the fact that the Moon's center of gravity is slightly displaced. They are referring to a massive crater created approx. 4 billion years ago when a 125 mile wide object struck a glancing blow.
As you probably already know, its called the South Pole-Aitken Crater.
That impact displaced a large section of the lunar crust, essentially creating a 7.5 mile tall highlands zone north of the crash site and shifted the moon's center of gravity.
Hidden on the dark side of the moon it is 7.5 miles deep and 1550 miles wide!
Even if this just a reminder of already well known info,
it stands out as an incredibly huge signiture of a grand calamity very close to home!
Thank goodness the Moon took the brunt of an event like that back then and not here on Earth.
I guess there is a clear inevitability to these events, only a matter of, when, in so-called time?
Finally: The South Pole-Aitken Crater is the largest and deepest known in the Solar System!
A motivating facture perhaps?
ESA was done with the help of NASA wasnt it? If it was,,it may answer the question concerning ESA camera and 'not showing anomalies' Same old Same old maybe. Roosters rule.
Oris Bracken said...
15/8/05 9:43 AM
> This is why the fine quality ESA photo ‘collection’ is so important. They should be available to compare and match to NASA images.
> I have now made my way through the ESA Mars eXpress hi-res photos. They are beautiful, but I’m disappointed. For a satellite that
> has been snapping the best ever Mars pictures since January 04, this is a pitifully small collection.
> I would think Europeans who investigate Mars anomalies would be demanding access to their eXpress ‘collection’ as a whole!
> The general public’s postcard pretty photos should stay in place as exhibit, but researchers need access to ALL images.
> I still can not come up with a ‘logical’ ‘reason’ why ESA (or NASA) would hide photos with anomalies. I mean, if they found cities
> on the moon or little green women on Tempel1 why would they not report? What would be the benefit if withholding such info?
> Am now following the path recommended by IonTruO2 and Bjorns and doing in-depth web searches for missing eXpress photos.
> Something is very suspicious that the finest camera ever put in orbit about the Red Planet has not shown any major anomalies--
_ _ _
AGREED!!!
. . . and to add to your thought process here . . .
1. Europeans demanding access to ESA's database today may not be possible. Forexample: A Norwegian in Norway asking a German scientist in Germany to open up the hidden database to the public is like talking to a brick wall. Different countries, different laws, different attitudes. And Euro-scientists are only talking to government over there as here. I think they will have as hard of a time there as we have in the states. In Europe it would require the bureaucratic EU to make it a law for ESA to open its hidden archives.
2. "If they found cities or little green women - why would they not report" you ask? Answer: The Brookings Report! . . . among many other reasons. There are certainly forces within the permanent government or permanent ruling establishment that have no intentions of sharing such information with us . . . the little people. It's all about power . . . but not to the people.
3. It is extremely suspicious that the Mars Express camera has not produced better images. Initially when Mars Express entered orbit around Mars and started imaging, it was stated on the official ESA website that the camera was capable of taking images that would yield up to 1.6GB (one point six gigabytes) or more in image size (like when opened in Adobe Photoshop). Today, this information can no longer be found. At least I have not found it again. Some talk about pixel resolution to about 10 to 15 m per pixel, but that's all. Lots of info missing indeed.
4. The ESA and NASA vaults need to be opened up for the entire world to be seen! There should not be any copyright on this kind of imagery. ESA and NASA are both publicly funded organizations paid for by the citizens taxmoney.
5. We need to start demanding from ESA and NASA to get access to the original FULL resolution data (not just hi-res) directly from their archives. Both processed and raw data. The data belongs to the people on the streets as well.
You know that line, in my humble ignorance, reminded me of a line in the hillarious movie "Army of Darkness". how interesting...
Army of Darkness,
Hmmm? or in the darkness, a struggle?
pardon my caffeine musings, oh my gosh I'm started to sound like Jasgrave333! Just thinking... :)
3cheers! he!he!he!
13/8/05 7:42 AM
LOL
nobody expects the Spanish inquisition :)
Just got back from Nevis (sister Island of St Kitt's)
It was gorgeous, been catching up with all your brain storming, excellent stuff...
I've had a bunch of new ideas over the w/e how all of this is connected even more deeply...
But I'll spare you whilst I truly catchup...WOW all your input is fantastic, another excellent blog...
DAG = Direct Action Group
CC = Credit Card
I've joined the DAG, for the time, when it comes to the LEGAL challenge to NASA over ANY data on this new MRO
However, I do firmly believe, that shortly, NASA will be 'FORCED' to reveal the truth...
...Somthing like an Unfriendly UFO landing on NASA's control building, u know something they can't call a weather balloon etc...
We all living in Interesting times...
still, catching up with all your excellent input...
Iontru02, thans for the link to Soulinvitation...
Five and 5 link EVERYTHING together :)
Like that a lot... $333 on Bush not making a 3rd term :)
hi hi hi
J aka 'Brian'
I was looking at the picture of the Mars face. It doesn't look like a face to me, but I do see the high reflectivity of the picture. It almost looks like someone removed the face and replace with another picture and forgot to change the reflectivity. Any comment as to what I'm looking at?
SunKing said...
15/8/05 9:49 AM
> Go to the ESA SEARCH block and type "Cydonia"...it's will take you to a FAQS link, click it
> and read the reason why they say they do not have pics of the Face.
_ _ _
. . . and ESA basically is saying they are not going try to photograph the Cydonia region . . . they are not interested.
The opportunities to photograph has passed. At least no images has materialized publicly. This could be taken as
some evidence that they are in bed with NASA . . . or some other "brick laying" permanent entity.
ESA also states that RAW data will be released latest 6 months after images have been released to the public. Has
anyone found a web-link to this RAW image data? I have not.
Has Richard posted previously on
Enceladus?
Space.com is reporting today that recent pictures taken by the Cassini spacecraft have "flipped everything scientists knew about Enceladus on its head, because what should have been a dead moon appeared to be geologically active and what was supposed to be the moon's coldest region turned out to be its warmest".
I find it interesting looking at the images of Enceladus; the square shaped ridge in the northern hemisphere; the pentagonal pair in the middle-right.
What's this? CENSORSHIP?????????????
Where are my blogs?
Please all of you take a look over the news from NASA regarding Enceladus. A hot spot in sputh pole of this frozen moon??????? my God what is that???
jasgraves333, Hi welcome back
glad you caught my humour.
welcome, on the link. wink
Just to follow up on the subject of the water/ice image from my previous post above at 15/8/05 7:24 AM . . .
ESA title: "Water ice in crater at Martian north pole".
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
The snow(?) around the crater edges is also blue(ish). How come?
This phenomenon happens here on Earth when the shadow areas of the snow reflects the blue sky above. Heavy cloud cover gives a similar, but lighter blue(ish) landscape effect overall. If we had an orange sun with an orange sky (not just orange clouds) the shadows would reflect the orange color as well. This I know from being a professional photographer. Light is my life. I see light and color everywhere. It's a curse. But, just go outside when the sun is up or just before or after sunset. You'll see what I mean. Study the shadow areas compared to the adjacent sunlit areas.
On Mars it is supposed to be - according to NASA/ESA/and every other ..SA organization - an orange/yellow like color on the sky. Not blue. And yet the image link above shows the water/ice and snow on the crater edges are all blu(ish) and certainly has a cool unmistaken hue. Something is wrong with that science picture folks . . . . . . . or is it just that something is totally wrong with NASA/ESA/et.al
So again - any thoughts from established scientists?
And what do we do to get those buraucrats to stop being so afraid of releasing the facts to the masses?
bjorns,
What a load of BS, eh? Of COURSE they're not goona come out and SAY they're interested in Cydonia. And then REMARKABLY everything goes bonkers when they fly over it?
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
iontru02
thank you. I did not (as far as I know) receive your reply.
:-)
uni
Richard,
I have also been following your (and others) work here and on Coast for the better part of 15 years and I have to say I'm still riveted...on the edge of my seat. This whole subject has to be the longest "cliff" hanger of all!
In a previous post you called all hands on deck...Reporting for duty! With that I'd like to point out something that appeared to me almost instantly when I first viewed the concerned image in the following quote.
[QUOTE=Bjorns]
templemaster333 said...
15/8/05 8:52 AM
> > bjorns said...
> > "Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
> > http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
> > (etc.)
_ _ _
> Yes, a VERY revealing image. Look at the highest resolution one and notice the "notch" at one end of the lake.
> Also notice in the immediate area around it that there are small round holes or pools. Is there thermal hot spring
> activity beneath the lake here ? Could this be one of many sources of the Formisano gas measurements ?
_ _ _
. . . in addition . . . notice the perfectly shaped walls forming the round shape. Again - I said walls . . .
Check it out everybody . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html [/QUOTE]
I'd like to further this by mentioning the off yellow hue around the inside edge of the ice feature. Could this also be a contributor to Formisano's findings? I haven't seen any postings anywhere, about what this substance may be. To me it doesn't appear to be an artifact of imaging nor sub ice surface features since there seem to be some in the center of the ice formation that do not display the same yellow hue. Anyone’s thoughts on this?
As for the NASA/ESA connection…I’d propose a very simple solution ie: http://www.universalmineralleasesregistry.com/ . I don’t think it’s a stretch to consider that these two organizations are looking to stake their claim. I mean if they hold the rights to minerals (real estate) that could be eventually mined then they are sitting on a veritable mint. Maybe Enterprise could have some rights here that could then be “licensed” to NASA/ESA et al for all data sets as well as a small fee…say(10 to 20k per image) to image Enterprise holdings :) Ok, so I dream big but wouldn’t that be a sweet irony?
Maybe I’m way off base with all this but anyone’s thoughts are absolutely welcome.
Keep up the excellent work Richard and the other posters here!
-z
Massimo IT said...
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/06/23/2005.06.23.S0401142.gif
Guys, I find this Malin's one particularly interesting. The definition is still good at 400% magnification, and the plains look littered with buried blocks and ruins. Amazing. Sometimes I am under the impression that those MSSS guys posting their pictures there are just quietly trying to bypass the Brookings' rule.
According to the good older rule:
"If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear" (Matthew 11:15; 13:9, 43; Mark 4:9,23; 7:16; Luke 8:8; 14:35).
14/8/05 7:45 AM
Massimo IT,
I liked this
1.|-----A
2.|----B C
3.|---D E F [DEF (non hearing?, Definately?, Definitive?)]
4.|--G H I J - Deut 5:5 [JG I H (God?, JeHovah?, Heaven? I...)
5.|-K L M N O -
6.|P Q R S T U
7.| V W X Y Z
--|1+2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 = 45
__|------------------|
2.|A B C D E F G H I |
3.|J K L M N O P Q R |
4.|S T U V W X Y Z |
AJS 111
CLU 333
FOX 666 [Jesus Mat 13:31 - 35 (and yes 33 is a verse there too ;) FOX]
ENW 555
IR 99
PQY 777 [Perfection?, Questions?, Y?]
Mat 13:31 - 35
31 In that very hour certain Pharisees came up, saying to him: “Get out and be on your way from here, because Herod wants to kill you.”
32 And he said to them: “Go and tell that fox, ‘Look! I am casting out demons and accomplishing healing today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be finished.’
33 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the following day, because it is not admissible for a prophet to be destroyed outside of Jerusalem.
34 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together in the manner that a hen gathers her brood of chicks under her wings, but YOU people did not want [it]!
35 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. I tell YOU, YOU will by no means see me until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name.’”
1.|-----1
2.|----2 3 ---> 3 between 1 and 6 [3 is word of God]
3.|---4 5 6 --> 666 a mans number
4.|--7 8 9 A
5.|-B C D E F
Revelation 13:16-18
16 And it puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead,
17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name.
18 Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number;
and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
(6 to the third Degree (3 dec places 000.00)
Just thinking out loud...
J aka 'Brian'
hey jas,
got your email. :-)
uni
Richard, sorry - wrong forum, but I WANT an answer and a VOICE!
On the topic of the shuttle's main tank: Why doesn't NASA just start PAINTING the tank WHITE again? There seamingly was NO ISSUE with foam insulation falling off the tank until they started leaving it orange!
My apologies if this question has already been addressed.
Thank you!
>latter_days_aint said...
...........without delving too heavily into Masonic lore (call me superstitious but the stuff gives me the heebie-jeebies). <
as it should, as it should.
uni
>Kevin said...
Hi All,
Anyone who wants to read about Mind Control and Conspiracy is invited to check this very well wriiten assesment here.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/Laura-Knight-Jadczyk/mass_mind_control.htm<
kevin, great contribution, I'm passing it around to 'beginners'. thanks!
uni
CopratesCatena_H.jpg noted by Bjorns very interesting.
Check this out:
http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PSA&page=MarsExpress
This page purports to explain the ESA Mars eXpress data public access plan, need to scroll down. Sample top quote:
"....You, the potential user of data from the Mars eXpress mission, will find all information or links that enable you to retrieve engineering and science data products or information about the data products on this page. Past and future activities, data set ingestion's, milestones, etc. are given besides an overview of available or planned data products...."
Much of this material is beyond my expertise, though I am reading their PDFs--
room322.com
unipax said...
hey jas,
got your email. :-)
uni
15/8/05 11:54 AM
:D
IonTru02
Am back!!!
hopefully not travelling again to ANOTHER island
till next w/e
Sheesh sooo stressful
the boat over on that pure blue ocean...
All that breezy sunshine,
all that pure white sany beaches...
yep Stress stress...
had to drink a FEW coctails just to relax :))
So have NASA given up yet? :)
Of course not, staying stuned :)
J aka 'Brian'
Markabian said...
"Please all of you take a look over the news from NASA regarding Enceladus. A hot spot in sputh pole of this frozen moon??????? my God what is that??? "
I'm not sure, but RCH is probably drooling over it right now and thinking hyperdimensionally. My question is... IS THERE A HOT SPOT ON THE NORTH POLE? If there is and the line between them parallels Saturn's magnetic field, then maybe we can talk about these hot spots as being due to ohmic electrical heating from ion currents passing through Enceladus and completing some kind of electric circuit. The moon certtainly can't be generating energy from internal nuclear sources, at least not enough to generate volcanic activity. The internal pressure would probably have blown it apart, as it barely has enough gravity to maintain it's spherical shape. There can't be any tidal friction heat being generated, as it is already tidally locked to Saturn (i.e, all of that energy has been burned up).
Oris Bracken said...
15/8/05 11:58 AM
> CopratesCatena_H.jpg noted by Bjorns very interesting.
> Check this out:
> http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PSA&page=MarsExpress
> This page purports to explain the ESA Mars eXpress data public access plan, need to scroll down.
> Sample top quote:
> "....You, the potential user of data from the Mars eXpress mission, will find all information or links that enable you to
> retrieve engineering and science data products or information about the data products on this page. Past and future
> activities, data set ingestion's, milestones, etc. are given besides an overview of available or planned data products...."
> Much of this material is beyond my expertise, though I am reading their PDFs--
_ _ _
Thank you for this link:
http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PSA&page=MarsExpress
Interesting. Lots of data. Looking for clean image data. Have to spend time looking through that database.
One can download a module that gives an opportunity to look for various data. More later.
Also . . . alternative official image link (copy/paste the whole link in one line):
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=31051&farchive_objecttypeid=18,19,22&farchive_objectid=30912&fareaid_2=9
Also . . . Huygens science archive at this link:
http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?project=PSA&page=huygens
templemaster333,
Couple this activity with the fact that Enceladus has been shown to have an atmosphere...
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/enceladus_atmosphere_050316.html
makes the whole question much more perplexing. If there is little gravity then there would be little chance of an atmoshpere either. The article says that the moon is replenishing it's own atmoshpere but at some point it would seem logical that the moon would run out of material to keep the atmosphere intact leading to the eventual depletion of the atmosphere and the geological activity. There must be another force driving the activity and I would suspect the same force is responsible for the maintenance of the atmosphere.
Hey guys, What kind of meteor makes a PERFECTLY SQUARE crater ?
Do you think that maybe the gods were playing racquetball with a NEOCON (as the ball) and missed a point ?
Check out this image (approx. 200% magnification, 50% horizontal scroll bar, vertical scroll bar approx. 3/4 toward the bottom) :
http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/0a/Crater-Holden.tiff
templemaster333 said...
&
Markabian said...
_ _ _
Yes - check this story out
• Puzzling Hot Spot Found on Moon of Saturn •
" Cassini's July flyby of Enceladus had it dipping within 109 miles of the moon's icy surface, its closest approach yet. In addition to the south pole hot spot, Cassini also revealed that the "icy veins" were actually a series of fractures on the moon's surface. Even more surprising, the fractures appeared to be active, violently spewing a slushy jet of warm water and ice into space. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20050815/sc_space/puzzlinghotspotfoundonmoonofsaturn;_ylt=AvNxKIfBu.7wvC3iK5AXt90PLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
. . . also check this story out . . . off this topic, but related to our common future quality of life:
• Experimental Hybrid Cars Get Up to 250 Mpg •
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050814/ap_on_hi_te/hybrid_tinkerers;_ylt=Aua4S0.zzZm07JYZL3Re_vr737YB;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-
TM333,
JaaaaayZUS! Shoulda told us that link was gonna take so long to pull...and I'm on a T1 here at work! LOL!
Yeah, that is a little funny...definitely a neocon...L 7, baby!
Mars eXplorer CAMERA specs, from ESA document:
“The HRSC is a pushbroom scanning instrument with nine CCD line detectors mounted in parallel in the focal plane. Its unique feature is the ability to obtain near-simultaneous imaging data of a specific site at high resolution, with along-track triple stereo, four colours and five different phase angles, thus avoiding any time-dependent variations of the observational conditions.
An additional Super-Resolution Channel (SRC) – a framing device – will yield nested images in the metre-resolution range for detailed photogeologic studies.
“The spatial resolution from the nominal periapsis altitude of 250 km will be 10 m px–1, with an image swath of 53 km, for the HRSC and 2.3 m px–1 for the SRC.
“During the mission’s nominal operational lifetime of 1 martian year (2 Earth years) and assuming an average HRSC data transfer share of 40%, it will be possible to cover at least 50% of the martian surface at a spatial resolution of = 15 m px–1.
“More than 70% of the surface can be observed at a spatial resolution of = 30 m px–1, while more than 1% will be imaged at better than 2.5 m px–1.
“The HRSC will thus close the gap between the medium- to lowresolution coverage and the very high-resolution images of the Mars Observer Camera on the Mars Global Surveyor mission and the in situ observations and measurements by landers.
“The HRSC will make a major contribution to the study of Martian geosciences,* ---- with SPECIAL EMPHASIS on the evolution of The SURFACE ['Sir Face', sic] in general, ---- !!! * the evolution of volcanism, and the role of water throughout Martian history.
“The instrument will obtain images containing morphologic and topographic information at high spatial and vertical resolution, allowing the improvement of the cartographic base down to scales of 1:50 000.”
SUMMATION:
“….Therefore, a prime objective of the Mars Express orbiter is the photogeologic analysis of the Martian surface at high resolution.
“For this task, the existing second flight model of the High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC) developed for Mars-96 was selected. This pushbroom camera will provide simultaneously high-resolution, stereo, colour and multiple phase-angle coverage and thus will acquire imaging data of unprecedented scientific quality.
“In response to the urgent demands for very high-resolution imagery in the metre-range, a complementary Super-Resolution Channel (SRC) was added. This boresighted channel serves as the ‘magnifying lens’ by providing image strips nested in the wider swath of the HRSC stereo and colour scanner….”
room322.com
Oris Bracken said...
15/8/05 1:28 PM
> Mars eXplorer CAMERA specs, from ESA document:
> “The HRSC is a pushbroom scanning instrument with nine CCD line detectors . . . etc, etc, etc
_ _ _
. . . isn't it funny. All that technology, and no full resolution images to show the public . . .
bjorns,
Totally agree!
Its well shown now the capability is already there to do quality imaging. I'm in fact I'm amazed at some of the regular shots and the scale for magnification with clarity! The explanations are getting very lame at this stage of the game, made more stupid by the coming upgrade of MRO to a whole new level.
Professional embarassment and fundamental mass public shame may become a serious and necessary response in time, with this level of smug unresponsiveness and real lack of transparency.
The story earlier of the 10th Planet discovery showed that fellow professionals in their own field may be seriously frustrated at the misconduct that is occurring as an ongoing pattern.
See: http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/10th_planet_controversy.html?982005
Richard,
Excellent website.
One problem however on your Enterprise Mission page Table of Coincedence
The picture of the German rocket team in Alabama in the 1950's labels Werner Von Braun as second from left. He is actually the man second from right.
Anonymous said...
Richard,
Excellent website.
One problem however on your Enterprise Mission page Table of Coincedence
The picture of the German rocket team in Alabama in the 1950's labels Werner Von Braun as second from left. He is actually the man second from right.
15/8/05 2:34 PM
Anonymous, I like this, if that's the only mistake, we are on a good ting :-D
Way to go Richard :)
so we have Amino Precursors in the Tempel 1 data :-D
if I smile any more, it's gonna hurt A LOT :)
doh!
J aka 'Brian'
Unipax, Hi
Sent you 2 e-mails, both have delivery failure messages now. Hotmail unable to connect to your e-mail server. Somethings up with your location or Aol there. I will try again later, o.k. but I did get your test.
kind regards
Confession, I'm also an STA fan
Surfing the Apocolypse
It's brought this news article up, which I wanted to share with this forum as it raises the aspect of FreeMasonary again and the Obelisk theory...
i.e. The MRO craft looked like an obelisk.
Apologies if this post offends, however, I believer the times we live in now, would circumvent any feelings around this, any way enough waffling from me;
the post:
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=92930
WAS GREEK PLANE CRASHED 2 SEND A HUGE MESSAGE 2 THE NWO
Posted By: Never_Surrender
Date: Monday, 15 August 2005, 4:54 p.m.
It is my opinion that yesterday's airplane crash in Greece was caused to send a HUGE message and it is another major clue sent by TPTB that needs to be added to the "Clues to the Arrival of Anti-Christ" series.
Details of the plane crash here:
**************************************************
FREAK AIR CRASH IN GREECE, ALL 121 KILLED Posted By: hobie
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=76841
SNIP...
..."GRAMMATIKO, Greece (Reuters) - A Cypriot airliner crashed into a mountainous area north of Athens on Sunday, killing all 121 people on board, after apparently suffering a loss of cabin pressure or oxygen.
"The pilot has turned blue," a passenger said in a mobile phone text message to his cousin, according to Greek television. "Cousin farewell, we're freezing."
The crash was the worst airline disaster in Greek history.
Greek TV station Alpha said the pilot told air traffic controllers the Helios Airways Boeing 737 ..."
[END SNIP]
and....
****************************
SNIP....
..."ATHENS (Reuters) - Most of the bodies recovered from a Cypriot plane that crashed near Athens with 121 people on board were frozen solid, a Greek official said, suggesting the airliner was a flying tomb before it plunged to earth.
snip...
One expert said reports of extreme cold suggested there was no air circulating in the cabin.
"Autopsy on passengers so far shows the bodies were frozen solid,
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Early indications suggest the 115 passengers and six crew were dead or unconscious when the Helios Airways Boeing 737 crashed 40 km (25 miles) north of Athens on Sunday. There were no survivors."
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2005-08-15T122219Z_01_KWA433804_RTRUKOC_0_UK-CRASH-GREECE.xml
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First of all, the plane crashed in Athens Greece, site of the highly symbolic and "message sending" Athens Olympics, where I believe that the message being sent last year was that the "bloodline king/christ" HORUS was nearing his "birth" onto the world stage soon (as depicted by the DNA helix and the pregnant woman along with many other clues that were so blatently dropped at the ceremonies.)
Details available in this post:
CLUE # 2: THE ATHENS OLYMPICS Posted By: Never_Surrender
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=68650
Second of all, the plane that crashed was a 'Helios Airways' airplane. That fact alone screamed a very loud and clear message, as Helios was the Sun God in Greek Mythology.
The fact that 121 passengers, everyone on board of the plane FROZE TO DEATH is so highly symbolic that I almost CANNOT believe that they are being so blatent and bold in their message sending/clue dropping these days. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard this story today.
(Sidenote: Even if the eventual cause of death/crash turns out to be something other than those poor passengers froze to death, the point is that when the story hit the news today, that is what was being reported, that is what the message was, the "first impression" of the story, so to say)
Make no mistake THIS WAS DONE TO SEND A MESSAGE A HUGE MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR to one side from the other side in this battle.
Right off the top of my head without doing any major research I say that this plane crash is signaling one of two things.
Either the Pope is going to die or be "dethroned" in the very near future since the Pope is known as the "Sun King" on earth and this is signaling that his "reign" is going to "run out of air" so to speak and or "freeze up" as in stop!
Or this is signaling something MUCH bigger which is what I am leaning toward.
There are two sides in this battle and they are both racing against the clock to attempt to get their respective bloodline "king/christ" in power first so as to "win" control of the world
One of the sides of this covert war that is raging all over the globe everyday is the group that worships the Sun God who goes by many names: Ra, Helios, Osirus, Mithra and many more.
The Pope and the Catholic Church, (of course NOT the church members who have NO CLUE that this is going on) but the high up hierarcy of the Church are involved in occultic sun worship in the most blatent ways as well as the freemasons and a lot of the governments of the world, or at least a lot of high up officials in the governments of the world.
Sun God worship symbolism is everywhere we look. One of the most recognizable icons of this occultic practice is the oblisk, especially if that oblisk is located INSIDE a circle to signify the sex act, where you find an oblisk inside of a circle, the powers in charge there are occultic sun worshipers and are awaiting the birth of Horus and that is why there is an oblisk in St. Peter's Square outside of the Vatican and also why there is one in Washington D.C. and BOTH are located inside of circles.
Below is an explanation of the signifigance of these symbols and how they tie into sun worship......
(NOTE: the following info, while correct historically, was taken from a Christian site hence the wording used is "satanists" I personally would substitute the word "occultists" for the word satanists. Occultists practice "what is hidden, hidden knowlege, the mysteries", which Christianity considers Satanic, that however is up for debate as it is not necessarily true that occultists are satanists. NS)
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in [the Masonic book], 'Numbers: Their Occult Power and Mystic Virtues', we find that the lingam (the male sex organ) was an upright pillar ... the Sun was to be regarded as the male generative power of nature .. The Sun God was certainly the generator of life, light and heat, the male principle, and this was symbolically represented by the Phallus ... the most frequent illustration was of a pillar set up in the center of a circle."
Did you catch that last phrase? "The Sun God was certainly the generator of life, light and heat, the male principle, and this was symbolically represented by the Phallus ... the most frequent illustration was of a pillar set up in the center of a circle."
Now, let us review the reality that Satanists depicted the female and her sexual organ as a circle.
"The circle just as distinctively represented the earth or female principle. The Sun was the Great Father ... and the earth was the Universal Mother ... In 'Our Phallic Heritage', we are told that 'Pillars or columns originally had a phallic significance ... Pan, the goat god and god of sensuality, was often represented as an obelisk'." [Dr. Cathy Burns, op. cit., p. 340-1]
Now, let us carefully consider what we have just learned.
* The Sun God is the male shaft -- the phallus -- and is represented by an obelisk. Osiris is the Sun God
* The Universal Mother is the female, represented by the circle. Isis is this Mother figure.
* To represent the Great Sex Act between Osiris and Isis, you place the phallic obelisk within the middle of the circle! The result are the crops of the fields in Nature and the Divine Child in theology!
In Satanism, the result of this Great Sex Act between Osiris and Isis is the continual birth of the Divine Child, Horus!
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1866.cfm
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If my gut is correct or at least the first impression that I had of the translation of today's events, then it is quite possible that the message being sent today was sent by the side that is opposed to the NWO plan. The side that is against the "sun god worshipers" and their plan to birth Horus.
The NWO wants so desperately to bring their bloodline Horus Christ/king to power to control us all and to sit on the throne that is being prepared for him and that is being planned for and paid for by the Rothschild's in Israel that will be built on the Temple Mount where the first two original Jewish temples have stood before it.
If I read todays message correctly, then it was sent to the NWO group who announced in Athens Greece last year their intention of bringing their "king" Horus to power soon and the message was sent by crashing a jet owned by a company named after a GREEK SUN GOD Helios and all the people on board were FROZEN to death and they say it is because the cabin "DEPRESSURIZED" and that they "RAN OUT OF AIR"!!!
Now to me, that blatently says to the group planning world domination "HEY, your "Sun God" is impotent, your plans are "decompressing" and dying and your idea has "run out of air" so to speak. I mean, what a slap in the face to Freeze a Sun God to death.... essentially draining all of the LIFE out of him and killing him!! OR killing the plan to birth him or something to that effect.
This is what I believe the was the true reason for the crash.
Of course there is a chance that this could be taken more literally and that the message was that something is going to happen to our sun and that as a result we are all going to freeze to death, but I tend to think that the sun is just fine. I mean, the sun has been acting up lately but I still don't think it's going anywhere for quite a while. Of course, anything is possible.
I want to stop here and give my deepest condolences to all of the families and loved ones of the victims of yesterday's horrifying event, may their souls rest in peace and you are in our thoughts.
Never Surrender
Keep pulling the threads, we might be making a little progress Cap'n
J aka 'Brian'
IonTruO2,
The email problem: for what ever reason your blogger email adress on your profile page has a www. inserted at the start - so everyone gets bounced - you need to remove it -somehow - to fix the problem - if that's possible - blogger has a lot of bugs and workarounds.
Again from the STA site, some more insight into 33 and a 'possible' explanation;
Posted By: Never_Surrender
Date: Monday, 15 August 2005, 4:57 p.m.
In Response To: WAS GREEK PLANE CRASHED 2 SEND A HUGE MESSAGE 2 THE NWO (Never_Surrender)
One more thing at 33 degrees a man becomes one of the elite. The top tier of the organization. Below that level, one is not considered "good enough" for the world dominiation crew. At 33 degrees, it can be said that they become a "GOD" of sorts, you could consider them sort of a "SUN GOD" hence the "illumination/illuminated" part. They are convinced that they are so "brilliant" that they are "full of light" etc...
Below 33 degrees we find 32 degrees, FREEZING POINT.
Hmmmm, maybe the message was like, "you almost got there, but your guy just doesn't measure up, not quite worthy of becoming the ruler of the world"
You never know, but it is an interesting coincidence.
NS"
Passing on the insights...
J aka 'Brian'
Bjorns said:
"Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
The high res image is a must. ESA title: "Water ice in crater at Martian north pole".
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter should re-image this one as well.
My thought looking at this blue "water oasis" is simply that I do not understand it.
NASA and ESA and every scientist there is tells us how dusty it is on Mars, but yet
here we have a truly clean piece of ice(?) that has no evidence of being covered in
red sand or anything else for that matter. I know that this is close to the north pole,
cold, but still over time there should have been sand or dust particles from the 'famous'
martian dust storms having covered this baby by now."
C'mon, Bjorns. It probably took you five minutes to compose that paragraph. In the same amount of time, you could have simply checked to see whether this feature exhibits a constant albedo throughout the Martian year.
Here are a couple of wide-angle MOC context views of this crater:
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M15/M1501570.html
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E03/E0302479.html
As you can see, your "blue water oasis" only looks like a "clean piece of ice" at certain times. At other times, its albedo is similar to the rest of the crater floor.
The first context view (M1501570) was acquired at the very end of winter for the northern hemisphere of Mars. Seasonal variations in temperature have probably caused the C02 frost that was present earlier in the winter to sublime away by this point. What we see revealed is either a dust-covered substrate or a regolith composed of a mixture of dirt and ice.
The second image (E0302479) was acquired in mid-summer for the northern hemisphere of Mars. What we are probably looking at in this one (and in the ESA picture) is a fresh layer of water-ice condensation covering the underlying dust-covered or dirty-ice regolith.
Far from being a "clean piece of ice" that has "no evidence of being covered in red sand or anything else", this crater would probably have a high albedo in the middle of winter only because of the presence of condensed C02 frost, a low albedo from late winter to mid-spring or early summer when temperatures in this area exceeded the C02 frost point and the true substrate was revealed, and a high albedo again by mid-summer with a fresh accumulation of water ice condensation.
Summary: except when this feature is covered by a thin veneer of frost (whether C02 or H20), its albedo closely matches that of the surrounding terrain.
Templemaster333 said:
"bjorns said...
"Folks. This is truly a beautiful image from Mars:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_1.html
The high res image is a must. ESA title: "Water ice in crater at Martian north pole".
The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter should re-image this one as well.
My thought looking at this blue "water oasis" is simply that I do not understand it.
NASA and ESA and every scientist there is tells us how dusty it is on Mars, but yet
here we have a truly clean piece of ice(?) that has no evidence of being covered in
red sand or anything else for that matter. I know that this is close to the north pole,
cold, but still over time there should have been sand or dust particles from the 'famous'
martian dust storms having covered this baby by now.
A perfect blue/white space pearl. And to have a color like that, does that not require a
blue(ish), cool colored sky that reflect back onto the ice? A red/orange sky that NASA
keeps showing us would make the ice more warm in color as well.
Thoughts from established scientists? "
15/8/05 7:24 AM
Yes, a VERY revealing image. Look at the highest resolution one and notice the "notch" at one end of the lake.
Also notice in the immediate area around it that there are small round holes or pools. Is there thermal hot spring activity beneath the lake here ? Could this be one of many sources of the Formisano gas measurements ?"
I'm guessing you didn't click on the `information' link below this image in the ESA multimedia gallery - am I right?
Actually, all you would have had to do was read the image title (or caption) at the link Bjorns provided to know that this feature was not a "lake".
The darker features in the `notch' at the end of the ice-field are dunes. Several small, crescentic dark spots are visible on the surface of the ice. These are not hot-spring pools, but outlying barchans.
Know what a `barchan' is? You'd better know the definition of this term INSIDE AND OUT - and be able to correctly identify one in an aerial image - before you start thinking about filing requests for HiRISE targets.
{kevin}You will NEVER get a 5 sided pyramid from a hexagonal quartz terminator NOR will you ever get a Tetrahedron ( 3 sided ) at least not perfect one like we see at Cydonia.
geometry from a quartz crystal. In this particular dimension we very very rarely find tetrahedral or pentagonal crystal terminations. There is Quartz which is hexagonal and there is a rare crystal from India ( I think ) that has four sided terminators. I can't remember the name of the crystal right now ... it's something like Apocolyte or something similar to that. It's quite rare as well.
What we see at Cydonia is far to organized to be a few random crystals (and extremely huge ones at that) poking out of the sand. And then of course the Face is not a crystal geometry at all.
This is why I sometimes say outrageous things: 1) to throw doubt into any situation because doubt is the path to truth, 2) to put forth some other possibility that may or may not be true, and 3) to make people who know better, do better.
You are correct when you say you can't get a five-sided or 3-sided geometry from a quartz terminator. So...think outside the box (I really hate that saying but sometimes it's appropos). There are other points on a quartz stem besides the terminator. I say quartz because I saw similar geometry to Cydonian structures in a quartz cluster. Any crystalline material that forms stems would be just as viable.
Do a little homework. It might be quite enlightening.
Templemaster333 also said:
"bjorns said...
templemaster333 said...
> 15/8/05 9:13 AM
> Check out this image.
> http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/127-291004-0438-6-co-01-CopratesCatena_H.jpg
> Area of severe collapse. Several Pentagonal craters. One case of a pentagon within a pentagon. Also a
> possible pyramid, crumbled and ruined by the total collapse of the ground beneath it.
_ _ _
. . . and I can't help but looking at the shiny(?) light golden "slit" at the bottom/middle of that image. Fascinating.
Yes, it appears to be a region of high reflectivity along a ridge...BUT... that ridge is also immersed in the collapsed area, or so it appears. At any rate, there are NO OTHER high reflectivity anomalies of that brightness on the image !.....RICHARD!,RAISED EYBROW ! ...HELP!"
You might try looking through other data-sets from time to time. Here are a couple of narrow-angle MOC shots it took me about 30 seconds to find which include partial coverage of the feature you are interested in:
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/images/E12/E1203520.html
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_r09/images/R07/R0700432.html
Pif, e-mail has been corrected.
"Doug said...
On the topic of the shuttle's main tank: Why doesn't NASA just start PAINTING the tank WHITE again? There seamingly was NO ISSUE with foam insulation falling off the tank until they started leaving it orange!
Thank you!
15/8/05 11:57 AM "
This is an interesting point. The original engineering designs of the shuttle regarding its aerodynamic coefficient of friction and tensile strength of the main tank's surface layer of polyisocyanurate foam, included that layer of paint. Does anyone know if this issue has been revisted by NASA over the past couple of years? Or would it simply be too embarrasing for NASA to admit they were wrong about leaving the paint of the ET? Were there any falling foam incidents when the ET was white?
>IonTruO2 said... Unipax, Hi
Sent you 2 e-mails, both have delivery failure messages<
Huh. Interesting. Any significant numbers involved in that mysterious development? If so we could ask our man on st kitts to look into it. Thanks for trying !
uni
How can we be sure that the images are "really" beamed from the orbiter, and not from a super secret lab here on earth?
It's getting real easy to make close-to-perfect phony imagery. Only those who work with digital imagery, on a daily basis, will be able to spot a forgery, or fake image.
If some "cabal" is hot to hide "THE SECRET" from us, then they will do so.
Our governemnt has lied to us so often that I don't believe anything they say, or promise us.
The same applies to corporations.
Monsanto is trying to patent the pig.
It won't be long before they try to patent, and then manufacture, human beings.
Remember the film, "Bladerunner"?
Will Monsanto try to buy the patent rights from that alien race that genetically designed us?
Sorry Hoagland, but I prefer Fred Hoyle's theories about comets, to the exploding planet hypothesis.
But both could be true; there is a lot of stuff whirling about out there.
I like Hoyle's idea about the large living comets that are filled with water melted by radioactive cores, and teeming with freakish life forms.
This is getting a bit long no?
Liberal Hillbilly said:
You are correct when you say you can't get a five-sided or 3-sided geometry from a quartz terminator. So...think outside the box (I really hate that saying but sometimes it's appropos). There are other points on a quartz stem besides the terminator. I say quartz because I saw similar geometry to Cydonian structures in a quartz cluster. Any crystalline material that forms stems would be just as viable.
Do a little homework. It might be quite enlightening.
Hi there,
I am quite knowledgable in crystals and their particular geometries with regard to what they are used for in things like healing and use in metaphysical works.
I was taught by someone who is far more educated than I was at 1st. He has one of THE largest collections of rare and regular crystals and gemstones that I have ever seen. He's been collecting for yrs.
He taught me about the different types of quartz formations like generator types, the laserwands, tabulars etc.
some of the facets on quartz xstals can have pentagonal geometries and others as well. But the main bodies of the xstals are hexagonal.
I can agree that if there was a civilization on Mars at one time, they may have used crystals in a similar fashion as the Atlanteans supposedly did ... as energy sources via hyper-dimensional physics. It is alleged that Atlantis had a giant crystal in the center of the city and was a source of power/energy.
Some folks believe that planet cores are of crystaline nature based on platonic solid geometries. Like a liquid crystal of sorts.
I am very much an outside of the box thinker but I still reserve some skepticism for ideas that really tend to the most outer fringes. If I wasn't then I wouldn't be part of this forum and I would be calling RC a crackpot.
But of course we all know that he is not.
On coast tonite there is a fellow talking about the ancient civilizations that go back in the tens of thousands of yrs. were very well versed in HD physics.
I think we are mostly on the same page tho ... ask lots of questions, especially of the ptb.
Charge !!!
templemaster333 said...
> 15/8/05 9:13 AM
> Check out this image.
> http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/127-291004-0438-6-co-01-CopratesCatena_H.jpg
> Area of severe collapse. Several Pentagonal craters. One case of a pentagon within a pentagon. Also a
> possible pyramid, crumbled and ruined by the total collapse of the ground beneath it.
I just took a look at this picture, and have a question for you guys. Does anyone else see the gigantic, perfectly symetrical object carved into the side of the crater in the upper left? Look at the bottom left corner area of the upper left crater. The arch is straight over from the center of the large circular discoloration on upper layers of the left hand hand side. Does anyone else see it, or is it just me?
And the ruins near the golden strip (which to me looks like it could be a water source of some kind) looks like some sort of large installation, or possibly a city. I'm not sure how large this crater is. It seems like a logical place to build (or have once built) a city. It's in a valley, next to what appears to be a water source.
Oh, and Hi:)
PIF said...
>PIF said
Massimo,
The image link esa.int/externals/images/1_3a4.jpg - do you have any idea where this image was taken?
It does not seem to be in the ME image collection.
Thanks<
You are right, it looks it comes from a different folder.
I cannot access it as well. I
The object I'm referring to looks to me like a giant stone archway. I just realized I neglected to ention that.
> PIF said...
Massimo,
Questions:
1) How do you navigate from the ESA page: esa.int/esaCP/index.html to the Directory: esa.int/externals/images/? I have not discovered it yet.
2) What is the name of the 1_3a4.jpg area? Like Valles Marineris.
3) Where is the raw image data, or tiff images? Jpg is not good enough.
4) If they took humdreds/thousands/millions of shots, where are the rest? Only some 200 odd ME shots are available and many are of things besides Mars.<
I try to answer to the best of my knowledge about this all:
1. the "external" directory is not accessible to public. The only visible images are those accessible through the main ESA portal.
2.you are right, except a general indication of the picture being taken at equator, there is nothing else. It looks a complement of other Vallis Marineris pictures, though
3. I think raw data are directly routed to the mission Principal Investigator. In fact, in some pictures you find at bottom: "copyright: ESA/DLR/FU Berlin (G. Neukum). One could try and browse the DLR site (I never did, I admit ...):
http://www.dlr.de/dlr/;internal&action=_setlanguage.action?LANGUAGE=en
Surprise: while searching I found this:
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMFEB474OD_FeatureWeek_1.html
Some TIFF there!!!
4. Good question. I can tell WHERE: 90% sure they are in Berlin, D
:)
How to make them available to everybody? I guess there is a way to BUY them. One should call DLR in Germany ...