Return to Flight -- An Enterprise Surprise ....
Last night, as NASA's Mission Control was radioing up its nightly "wake-up call" to the crew of the Space Shuttle Discovery -- to formally begin another day of orbital activities during the current STS-114 Mission -- we were startled to suddenly recognize a very familiar tune ... and lyrics:
"It's been a long road
Getting from there to here
It's been a long time
but my time is finally near.
And I will see my dreams come alive at last
I would touch the sky.
And they're not gonnna hold me down no more
no they're not gonna change my mind ...."
The opening theme from none other than the UPN Television series, "Enterprise!"
Fans will instantly remember that this is the controversial music, played at the beginning of each episode, that overlays a series of historical image flashbacks ... each depicting the drama of human exploration -- from the era of a sailing ship named Enterprise ....
To the (fictional) launching of the first "starship Enterprise" herself.
As the theme progresses (specifically written for the Enterpise series by well-known movie songwriter, Diane Warren), the landing of the actual Space Shuttle Enterprise at Edwards Air Force Base -- which, as noted in another entry in this "Captain's Blog" ("Scotty Beams Up ... One last Time"), we and a group of Washington policy advisors (along with about 400,000 other Star Trek fans!) managed to convince then-President Ford to rename, over NASA's strenuous objections in 1976 -- briefly appears ....
During the Show's second season, this theme became the center of some considerable controversy among fans -- with critics claiming "As it stands, the song is out of place ...."
The producers stood fast and the theme music survived--
To wind up entering actual space history yesterday evening -- as it was played to the awakening crew of a NASA Space Shuttle, docked to the International Space Station over 220 miles above the Earth, at the beginning of their most critical day in space ....
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For, this was the day that Steve Robinson -- one of the seven-member crew of Discovery awakened with this specific theme last night -- would then go outside ... and perform the first-ever in-flight repair of a Space Shuttle still in orbit!
OK, so far so good; playing Star Trek themes up to real astronauts circling the Earth is cool ....
But, it was what came next that really got my undivided attention.
After the NASA PAO officer at Mission Control informed the audience watching NASA TV that--
"... the astronauts aboard the Space Shuttle Discovery were just awakened at 10:09 PM Central Time by the song, "Where My Heart Will take Me," composed by Dennis McCarthy [sic]. It's the theme song for the Star Trek Enterprise series ....
She then went on to say:
"And that was the dedication from the Deputy Shuttle Program Manager, Wayne Hale [emphasis added] ...."
Huh?!
Suddenly, the cute Discovery "Enterprise wake-up call" ... a neat "homage" to the Star Trek/NASA historical connection we'd played such a memorable role to bring about decades before ... took on a totally different meaning.
For, of course, it was Wayne Hale that I -- as "Captain" of the Enterprise Mission -- had specifically singled out just day before yesterday (in my most recent "Captain's Blog," entitled "Return to Flight -- NOT Yet ... maybe NEVER!?") -- as the key NASA official who could have handled the stunning "grounding of the entire Shuttle Program" before Discovery came home, very differently.
Was this a "coded" message -- direct from Mr. Hale to Enterprise -- regarding the rest of the explosive contents of that piece: the very serious revelation by a "NASA insider" of the existence of a small "cabal" in NASA, who are seeking -- with this problem-plagued, STS-114 Discovery Mission -- any excuse to permanetly ground the Shuttle Fleet ... forever!!?
And, thereby also eliminate the Space Station from further NASA budgetary concern ...?
It damn well appeared to be exactly that!
NASA astronaut Shannon Lucid, in her capacity as "capcom" -- official Mission Control communicator with the crew in orbit -- had provided substantial support for such a "reading" of Hale's "message" in her own immediate explanation to the Discovery crew of Hale's unexpected musical selection ... if not why it was he who had personally selected it:
"... You can sort of think of the wake up music this morning as the inspirational memo that he would have written you to tell you how much we believe in you. That is, if he were a musician rather than an engineer [emphasis added] ...."
I mean, what were the odds that, of all the possible songs on the planet which could have been radioed up to wake the crew -- just a few hours after an "Enterprise" blog appeared specifically discussing Mr. Hale's role in a VERY dubious Shuttle management decision -- this very individual would then select the only theme specifically written for the television series "Enterprise" to wake that very crew??!!
As George Noory is fond of saying constantly ... "I don't believe in 'coincidence.'"
Or, as a slightly earlier public figure, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, reiterated on more than one occasion: "In politics, there are NO coincidences ...."
What to play as a "wake-up song" to the astronauts on an on-going Shuttle Mission -- with the entire world watching and listening -- definitely qualifies, for all its apparent lightheartedness, as a "political" decision. Moreso on THIS first Mission -- after a searing National Tragedy, and one particularly sensitive for NASA ... the stunning loss of Culumbia just two and a half years ago ... and all her crew.
This has placed this Mission -- the "Return to Flight" Mission of Discovery, only two and a half years after Columbia's shattering demise -- in a particularly unforgiving spotlight.
As we noted in a prior "Captain's Blog" ("Return to Flight ... A tale of Tiles ...."), Commander Eileen Collins' earlier selection of wake-up music from "Ground Hog Day" was definitely "political" -- as she herself "admitted": supposedly, her way to "celebrate the crew's successful 'breaking of the NASA-quarantine timeloop,' and actually getting into orbit ...."
We had some other thoughts on this ... and expressed them in that Blog.
Now, Hale's personal selection of Discovery "wake-up" music -- and, specifically from the television series "Enterprise"-- could only be viewed in the context of our own recent Enterprise Mission criticism here ... not only of the current Shuttle Mission ... but of him.
So, what was Wayne Hale trying to say to us?
That seemed fairly obvious: that we (and our "NASA source") were indeed "on to it" -- that there was, in fact, some kind of "interference" with this Mission, including ... whoever had directed him to make the "grounding announcement" exactly when he did! And that we, by all means, should continue to expose this "interference!"
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Wayne Hale had reached his current "exalted" position in the Agency -- a bonafide spaceflight engineer suddenly made "Deputy Manager of the entire Shuttle Program," after the Columbia Disaster -- because he was the engineer (according to key NASA sources) who had tried valiently to get the DOD spy satellite images of the potentially damaged tiles on the crippled Columbia ... and had been turned down by his own higher management in NASA!
His "reward" for trying to "do the right thing" was to be put in charge of not only major sections of the recovering Shuttle Program, but to play a key Headquarters role in the current "Return to Flight" Mission.
His "signaling" Enterprise by his remarkable selection of the "Enterprise" theme song ... as "one of the good guys"... was a very positive development in this whole previously dismal situation.
For it confirmed that our announced strategy -- of making the conspiracy that we have been informed about completely public; the Plan to bring an early end to the entire Shuttle Program, perhaps by any means ... and on the occasion of this Mission -- was working .... And could, with a little help, successfully forestall any further "escalation" ....
So, was Hale's sudden "public acknowlegement of Enterprise" ... that help?!
Because of the startling nature of this "message" (if not its source!), I certainly wanted further confirmation that we had, indeed, read Hale's "music code" correctly. So, I put in a call to our original "NASA source." I wanted both his independent "take" on what Hale was trying to accomplish with this "message," and what (if anything) we should do as a response.
What he said exceeded my wildest expectations ....
That, not only was this indeed "a message" to the Enterprise Mission ... a not-so-subtle "acknowlegement" (to those who have been watching ...) of our service to this Mission; but that it was far more ... indeed, Shannon Lucid's description of it as "a memo" was quite accurate -- a "memo" directed specifically at those inside and outside NASA, who would dare to interfere with the successful completion of this Mission.
In other words: a thinly-veiled, official "threat" -- to the very "bad guys" we were seeking to forestall!
That -- if anything "deliberate" happened to this Shuttle Mission -- "they" would be officially exposed ... and, through the very democratic process we had started decades ago, when we had successfully convinced a President to rename the original Enterprise ... in our first effort to bring openness to NASA and the Shuttle Program!
Stay tuned ....
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531 Comments:
An additional observation: the TV series "Enterprise" was just cancelled! How's that for a wake up call!
Richard I don't know if you have seen/read my comments at the end of your last blog. Ask, if not seen, and I will repost them.
BTW, you mentioned rapid blinking as an indication of stress. There is another possibility, perhaps you've thought of it. Anyway, while watching yesterday's interview over lunch, I noticed the same blinking, but it seemed more deliberate/purposeful. I could be wrong, but it seemed like Morse. Have you taped these incidents and find some one who knows Morse to look at them in that light? (A trick done by POWs in Nam).
"TV series "Enterprise" was just cancelled." Yeah, and deservedly so. It has long sucked. Like its predessors. There was no larger theme - just hohum bad guys doing who knows what, for reasons unknown. Characters were very weak and some seemed just eye-candy.
Thanks Richard,
for the Blog - and the opportunity it affords so many of us to keep a KEEN eye on things going on...and, thanks to your sleep-deprived efforts, virtually in REAL TIME!
We ARE watching closely, and the mass consciousness continues to expand. I often encounter skeptical individuals who are science teachers, space lawyers and others, who are still unaware of any of this "stuff". They remind me of how I was just a few short years back. ("Come on, how could the good ole boys of NASA really be pulling the wool over our eyes...").
Please by assured that many of these folks - the ones who will continue to represent a real transformation in public attitudes - are gradually being reached as a result of your efforts. Especially this very timely BLOG - which seems to have commenced during this time for a reason.
Once again - we are paying close attention NASA, et all....
Anon said ...
>An additional observation: the TV series "Enterprise" was just cancelled! How's that for a wake up call!<
This was actually pointed out by Mike Bara last night .... :)
That interpretation would, of course, fit perfectly with the information we had previously received ....
Howerver, if Hale concurred with this "cabal," it is highly doubtful he would have gone to the lengths he did to communicate his "message" to them ... and us.
So, I'm encouraged this will NOT happen -- and certainly now NOT in any "catastrophic" manner.
PIF said...
>Richard I don't know if you have seen/read my comments at the end of your last blog. Ask, if not seen, and I will repost them.
Yes, please repost to this NEW thread .... :)
>BTW, you mentioned rapid blinking as an indication of stress. There is another possibility, perhaps you've thought of it. Anyway, while watching yesterday's interview over lunch, I noticed the same blinking, but it seemed more deliberate/purposeful. I could be wrong, but it seemed like Morse. Have you taped these incidents and find some one who knows Morse to look at them in that light? (A trick done by POWs in Nam).<
We have thought of that as well -- I was specifically thinking of Commander Bucher's (sp?) experience in North Korea, on the captured US spyship "Pueblo" in 1968 ....
So, if anyone knows Morse -- by all means chime in .... :)
Richard,
As anyone brought up the possibility that the Discovery is meant to be a "ritual sacrifice" of 7 astronauts, the Shuttle AND the Program?
If NASA "goes under" because of this, is it possible that the Dept of Defense (and the supporting M/I COmplex) then has sole US access to space? After all, we know there are neo-con aims for the militarization of space. This would get rid of any civilian oversight.
1. http://www.vendyljones.org.il/
2. where's my free al - foil for my hat.
3. it's not over till they get home
4. I love it when a plan comes togather.
together hehe again
Ugh,
sorry but I just can't hang on any longer...although I so badly want to.
Something in my gut says that the 8/1 blog and this one leave way too many questions unanswered and has led us right back to where we started: mission gone bad because of faulty engineering and improper/sloppy implementation.
As both an engineer(trained/employed) and a musican, the two don't really mix well; and so it seems unlikely that Mr Hale has either the time or the inclination to so "wisely" choose the music...(hence my gut feeling??)
OK, so I'll stick it out, but my skepticism has increased.
I'll check back after STS-114 has completed.
SunKing said...
>Has anyone brought up the possibility that the Discovery is meant to be a "ritual sacrifice" of 7 astronauts, the Shuttle AND the Program?<
Given the documented ritual nature of previous NASA activities, that has been a concern ....
>If NASA "goes under" because of this, is it possible that the Dept of Defense (and the supporting M/I COmplex) then has sole US access to space? After all, we know there are neo-con aims for the militarization of space. This would get rid of any civilian oversight.<
Again, that is another MAJOR concern ... which -- in addition to preserving the lives of the crew -- is why we must do ALL we can to ensure this Mission concludes successfully.
NASA determined that the exposed ceramic-fiber fillers could lead to overheating and a possible repeat of Columbia's disastrous re-entry. Thus two potentially dangerous strips of protruding filler from Discovery's tile belly were pulled. WHat next? Do ground control and astranauts fold their hands and pray for safe arrival? Or is there orders coming from above which will subject this mission into doing something else that nobody finds any rationale in doing but can't help themselves in not doing?
Richard,
Though I'm a stauch supporter for manned spaceflight, I've long thought that the space station itself was a boondoggle. Simultaneously now --as you've pointed out-- the shuttle fleet is indeed based on obsolete technology and increasingly difficult to maintain.
But now we have this goal of a return to the Moon and, possibly, a 'cabal' within NASA which may be trying to find some means of backing out of the whole sorry mess that the station/shuttle fleet (as a packaged deal) now represents.
For the sake of balance, I therefore have to ask: Isn't it possible that you might be backing the wrong horse??
Of course, I don't really know enough to actually know what I'm talking about --but if the new goal is a return to the Moon (which I strongly endorse, myself), and the space program badly needs the funds for the new technology (new ships!) required to accomplish this goal, how could that reasonably be accomplished without the immediate termination of the current priorities? Wouldn't a string of possibly exaggerated concerns actually be the most effective and (diplomatic) strategy?
didnt know if you guys saw this yet..
http://www.wired.com/news/space/0,2697,68258,00.html
cheers
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RCH said,
>Thanks to your able research skills<
You are more than welcome.
ON the email blog paste issue: Solved.
I emailed the current blog to myself. What the emailer sees before sending is not a problem, since the email contains only a link to the blog.
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Subject: Captain's Blog: Return to Flight ... A Tale of Tiles ....
Date: August 3, 2005 7:16:02 AM
To: X
X has sent you a link to a weblog:
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Blog: Captain's Blog
Post: Return to Flight ... A Tale of Tiles ....
Link: http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/return-to-flight-tale-of-tiles.html
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I heard - on CSPAN's WA Journal - an old engineer call in and suggest using aluminum fibers in the foam, since AL gets strong the colder it is - at liquid H temps, it is stronger than steel.
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Templemaster333, RCH:
>The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace.<
There is an old book, (1974) called "Colony Earth" by Richard E. Mooney. In it he mentions but does not elaborate this point. He says there is 'ample geological evidence to suggest that during its first two billion years Earth was tidally locked to the sun' and 'for reasons unknown' began to spin after than. His thesis seem to be that we were 'planted' here at some time some how. (I'm reading it now but have not gotten far along).
The tidally locked idea also is mentioned by David Talbot in regard to Saturn: Earth, Mars, and Venus were once tidally locked with Saturn. Something happened to change all this.
Different authors, different times, tidal locking, something causing this phase to end, something causing axial spin. Perhaps what we are looking at are events widely separated in time, each with different results. But looking at the remaining evidence, we see them, at present, as one event? Ask TVF if this might be a possibility, if the underlying physics also altered? The physics constants today may not be constants at all - there was a drastic altering of early universe physics from those we see today.
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cryptosemiotician:
Would mutual tidal orbit affect gravity enough to enable the dinosaurs to stand up ?
Yes, if they were living on the side of the Earth away from the body Earth was tidally locked on. Gravity would be slightly less. See: 'Cradle of Saturn' by James P. Hogan for a more detailed explanation. It is also interesting to note that the geological reconstuctions of early Earth's land-masses have most of the mass on one side of the planet.
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Tim,
There are several vehicles - the concept is to use medium (35ton) CEV lift for crew and some cargo, heavy (55ton) CEV for more crew room and larger packages. However the real lifting would be dome by automated unmanned heavy lift vehicles - 100ton. All would use existing parts and work forces. Each of these concepts could be put in service relatively quickly and at low cost. All the vehicles are designed to evolve into larger ones with more capacity. The idea is to get the job done, safely, cheaply and efficiently. This heavy lift concept would, with each launch, put more stuff into orbit then 4 shuttles.
And since the design is from the private sector, would eventually stop using massive amount of your tax dollars for each launch. I saw the hearings to come up with the next CEV. One fellow testified that one non-intrusive plaque anywhere on or in the CEV would (to start) bring in over one million dollars in NET revenue. This had long ago been presented to NASA, but there was no mechanism to track the money: the money would have gone directly to the Treasury Dept. and not to NASA. There was an initial recommendation for Congress to address this problem, but I have no idea if it was brought up.
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RCH said:
>Also remember: now, according to the way these people think, the "enemy" is US!!!<
Perhaps we should change our blog names to "Enemy Agent # XX" or the like :)
Feel free to delete this if there is conversation in other comments:
They Sing the Comet Electric
"Dissident scientists advocating a controversial theory of the universe are having a field day in the wake of NASA's Deep Impact comet collision earlier this month."
Second to last paragraph:
"Answers to the surprises of Deep Impact and the credibility of the Electric Universe theory will have to wait until NASA releases X-ray readings, spectroscopic analysis and other detailed data during the $333 million mission. These are expected in a few months. [Emphasis added]"
Bruno said...
>Ugh,
>Sorry but I just can't hang on any longer...although I so badly want to.
>Something in my gut says that the 8/1 blog and this one leave way too many questions unanswered and has led us right back to where we started: mission gone bad because of faulty engineering and improper/sloppy implementation.
>As both an engineer(trained/employed) and a musican, the two don't really mix well; and so it seems unlikely that Mr Hale has either the time or the inclination to so "wisely" choose the music...(hence my gut feeling??)
>K, so I'll stick it out, but my skepticism has increased.
>I'll check back after STS-114 has completed.<
Sorry, but your communciation is TOTALLY unclear.
What don't you believe: that Hale PERSONALLY chose that music? Why is that even important (so, he directed that the crew be TOLD that ...)?
The "message" is in the MUSIC -- from "someone" in NASA able to get it up to the crew, and to get it explained officially TWICE -- connecting "Enterprise" and this current Shuttle Mission.
That lets us know that we are being watched ... including what WE"RE watching -- and THAT'S what matters here.
We still have our own information on this "Plan," and the capability to act on that if something "should go wrong."
Am I still concerned? Of course, given all that we have seen. But, less so than I was before ... now that our own watchdog efforts have been OFFICIALLY acknowledged.
This would only add to the problems NASA will have, if this does NOT go right .... So there's no percentage in doing this (acknowledge Enterprise) ... to then STILL go ahead with such a Plan, is there?
What, if anything, am I missing? Be SPECIFIC -- please.
Ok. So Wayne Hale is sending messages based on your blog?
I'm about to pee my pants from laughing so hard.
I can see the meeting at NASA now.
Hale - RCH is on to us.
Griffin - Ok. Ok. Don't panic. Play this music to wake up the crew. Here's what you say.
Hale - Mikey is the cabal still a go?
Griffin - It's on hold until the heat from RCH dies down.
OK, If NASA grounds the space shuttle (which I hope they do) what would be used for large payloads? The CEV concepts look too small to be use for anything of size. What is NASA looking for in a replacement craft? About the music I would say Nasa keeps an eye on you Richard and they just might have sent you a little hint. Here is a plan ground the shuttle build your new CEV than find a way to fix the foam.
High level communications through symbolic code is how i would talk in this situation. Sound's hopeful to me. I made my prediction and I'm standing by it.
Bubba hyde said...
>Ok. So Wayne Hale is sending messages based on your blog?
>I'm about to pee my pants from laughing so hard.<
OK, let's hear YOUR explanation. Rememeber: it has to fit ALL the current data ... and make SPECIFIC new predictions (as with any scientific hypothesis) .. .which ours does.
And ... you have a LOT of folks watching, to see if you miss anything. :)
Hey, Richard I know you have allot going on with NASA, but do have any plans on doing a Coral Castle update?
Richard: You are safe either way: If Shuttle disintegrates in space, it will confirm what you have said all along. If it arrives safely, the enterprise vocals have been heard and the memo was loud enough for the cabal to hold back.
I think Richard is less concerned about his reputation than is sincerely is for the lives of those currently in space.
Spys and other higher intellects play games to see who can communicate the most information with the least words or actions. It's a ballet that goes right over the heads of lower intellects. As long as you don't let it turn into an attitude of elitism, it's fun to do.
SunKing,
If you read the first part of this Posting thread, you would know Richard asked me to repost them on this tread. Sorry you were forced to read twice.
ah....but there's the rub, wayne5!
The folks so often doing it ARE elitists by definition...they think they know something that others DON'T! LOL!
Someone made the comment in an earlier post on why Hale would go along with the plan and make the announcement himself. I'm sure many readers who are engineers will realise that engineers are very rarely in charge, someways below bean counters, PR people, and bearucrats in fact. Hale fits exactly the man to act as a fall guy carrying this bad news. Hes not the first guy taken off the coal face, poured into a suit and sent out to do managements dirty business.
Current data? Where is there ANY data that Hale's choice of music is a message to you? Let's start there.
Facts that the shuttle will return safely and fly again? I got some.
1) NASA wants to use existing shuttle technology to build, launch and support the CEV. Ground it and you make all of that technology suspect as well as overnight destroying the manned flight infrastructure from the VAB to the launch pads.
2) Ground the shuttle and thousands lose jobs wrecking local economies all over the US. Politically, that doesn't translate well for Congressmen seeking re-election and would make any budget increase let alone avoiding decreases next to impossible to overcome.
I agree with much of what you have to say and mean no disrespect but stepping off the deep end to insinuate that NASA is doing things based on what you post is a definite stretch. It only serves to belittle the many plausible theories that you present IMHO.
PS - I am looking forward to your appearance on Coast on Sunday.
AH! Then do forgive me! My error!
TIm Brooks, go look at the http://www.safesimplesoon.com/ site. No foam problems and more lift cheaper. Go through the site and it will be clear that the image you saw was the medium lift CEV 48-55k lb. The heavy lift CEV goes to 65k lb. Real heavy lifting done by unmanned - 170k lb to 240k lb vehicles.
Is it possible that Hale probably just liked the song.
Personally when I saw the intro to the Enterpise TV series, I was impressed by the inspirational tone of it.
Maybe you are just seeing the image virgin Mary in the windows of a building. (It think that was in Miami a few years back.)
As for grounding the shuttles, they can land it safely and still make their case for mothballing the fleet. They can point to the fact that with all they work invested in the last 2 1/2 years, there were still problems with the foam, stuffing between the tiles coming out, the thermal blanket issues,... They can glorify the astronauts by saying that they landed the shuttle against all odds but it is now too risky to launch another one again.
A few ramblings:
The stuffing probably came loose on every previous flight. It probably just burns off early during re-entry. They just never looked at the underbelly before this flight.
Didn't they use to keep the "skin" resulting from the foam curing on earlier flight? I hear that they shave that skin off now. Probably to save weight. With my limited experience with household insulating foam I know that once you break that skin the inside is fairly brittle but with the skin on, the stuff is fairly resilient. (Yes, I know that the foam on the tank is completely different but it must have some similarities.)
Sometime the topics get a little too "conspirational" here. But it makes for interesting reading. Most importantly, at least people are interested and they care. If Man doesn't get off this mudball, he will not survive. As a species, we have this energy like a 5 year old after eating his holloween candy. If we do not expend this energy on exploration, we focus it internally and it usually results in war.
Richard, when you started this blog you knew there would be us folk with our pyramid hats on and even others that would make you spit. They are not your judge, you are. Let me remind you of that
which you know so well, don't become the thing you hate. Besides not all the cool chicks go out with football players.
Well said sunking, I'm 54 and the older I get the more I know, I don't know much.
PIF said...
(TIm Brooks, go look at the http://www.safesimplesoon.com/)
I understand that getting the stuff up there can be done unmanned, but what about maintenance and adding on to ISS or just all the stuff a robots can not yet do. Would they lanch a rocket to put the stuff up there then a 2nd lanch to get the people up there? I'm all for a shuttle replacement but replace it with something that can do the same job and more. Don't trade in your old but working car for a bike. They should try to build the shuttle they wanted in the 1st place, one that can be reuse, low maintenance, and have a quick turn around. Build something that will show the world that the US still has the big stick in the mud!
Richard C.H said:
*****What to play as a "wake-up song" to the astronauts on an on-going Shuttle Mission -- with the entire world watching and listening -- definitely qualifies, for all its apparent lightheartedness, as a "political" decision.*****
Richard you are killing me man, I mean I'm and the people around me are laughing so hard that our faces are about to explode. I don't even know what to say at this point.
Wake up songs as political decision? What is next? The color of Wayne Hale's trousers as a landing flag for a shuttle?
The whole world is watching what wake up song was played? Yeah, I hear Président de la République française Jacques Chirac and members of US Congress were waken up 5 minutes before the song was played, so that they don't miss this "important" event.
Richard, you are awesome and I love your work, but you got to stop mistaken science fiction and movies for reality.
Tim,
I think, but not sure, that if they were to go with the original Air Force design - putting a very diferent designed shuttle on top of the heavy lift booster - that the costs and time involved might be much more that going with something new. Also I think the safesimple medium lift CEV carries same or more that current shuttle pay load. As for the crew compartment - what does it matter what design it uses as long as it does the job safely and effiecently? Why go back to 60's tech by using the Air Force design?
Richard, whew!!! another Blog...
incredible work...
and well spotted...
My fingers are starting to wear out :))
Enterprise and ground hog day music...
It fits the NUMEROLOGICAL consistancies and other coincidences with this and temple 1 mission.
Yes, I can see how a song, as obscure and innocent as it might SOUND, is actually a message, covert...
...ancient and fits with signalling apparent today 9/11, 7/7/7 etc...
Staying tuned...
Alert and can I have some of your coffee please Richard?
Keeping up is a 24.9 hour job :))
J aka 'Brian'
NASA must get out of the launch business! Did the NACA get into the airline business? Thank God no! NASA should have the job of doing basic research and making the results available to all. Let the likes of Burt Rutan and others get into the business of space launching. Then watch the costs come down!
Send the shuttle up with its cargo in an automated configuration and have the ISS crew enter the shuttle after it docks..automation people....is it plausible? The russians can send up the crews to the ISS and the shuttle can be a heavy lifter that will eventually explode but with no crew no harm no foul.
"Faith Of The Heart" was NOT written specifically for the "Enterprise" show. It originally appeared in the movie "Patch Adams"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0129290/soundtrack
RCH's assertion that Hale's choice of music has symbolic meaning is not just based on his speculation, it's based on what he claims an inside source at NASA has expicitly confirmed.
Thus to deny it, is to assert that either Richard is lying about his source, or his source is mistaken/lying.
In other words, it may be prudent to weigh the veracity of this claim, based on how much you trust RCH and his source, NOT based on how plausible, a priori, you think the actual concept is... which seems to be the tack some are taking. Just a thought.
gilligan
trying new name & password
Jasgrave, thx for password help
unipax
(formerly gilligan)
trying new password.
professor x: sounds like you have not been keeping up over the years.
re morse blinking: Yeah, but would they risk the consequences of 'speaking out' publicly in any manner? Maybe they would, if they feel their lives in danger.
I feel for those astronauts being treated like pawns.
aloha,c
unipax
yeah, really looks and feels like we're seeing results (again)
of watchdogging.
PIF said...
Tim,
I think, but not sure, that if they were to go with the original Air Force design
No NO NO, not the original design just original goals. The space shuttle is an awesome failure. It was suppose to be cheap low maintenance and I forget what the turn around time was going to be, but It has been way off the original goal. The Shuttle works but failed to meet all but one goal. It is not cheap, not low maintenance and, takes a long time between launches. The only goal it meet was that it did make to space.
Greetings Mr Hoagland.
Some may say that your efforts are wasted, but they are not viewing the big picture.
Way back in 94 when I first heard you and bought your book this may have been true, you were just a voice crying in the wilderness.
But in the intervening decade, a little thing known as the web has grown up around us.
Today the ten percent of humans who have at least some ability to think, and are at least semi aware of the world around them get a most of their news off the internet. In the realm of off world awareness you do have a presence today, an effect of the people in charge of off world exploration.
I have been publishing a blog for a few months now and have learned something that may be of some use to you.
A blog is a marathon, not a sprint.
The huge in depth articles are nice, but try some pacing, take advantage of the friendly relaxed format of blog space. I know a lot of us who are great fans of yours and idealize you to some degree, (as much as this group of misfit oddball outcasts can ever have anything remotely resembling a hero), and we would like to know about your lunch, how you spent the weekend.
Daily ‘light’ postings all so have the beneficial effect of spreading out the comments so you don’t end up with over 300 per post, thereby causing fellow bloggers to turn green with envy because they are scraping by with maybe 1 or 2 comments a day and don’t even know why they even try…
Speaking of, the latest entry to my blog features one of the few artifact piles found up in the hills by Mars Spirit Rover so far;
http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/
Wayne5,
I'm 50 and feel the same way.
I cannot remember where I originally heard it (Heinlien?) but that the first step on the path of wisdom is realizing you know nothing!
If THAT's the case, I'm loaded with wisdom!!!
Thanks!
Tim, I believe the original goals were derived from the original design, just updated for the current shuttle - a compromise and an experiment. If an experment (the shuttle) does not produce the expected results, there must be some problem with the model. If the claims did not pan out, then perhaps they were just a sales pitch and wild hopes.
The safesimplesoon design seems to meet all the original criteria - on paper at least. Can you propose a better model than safesimplesoon? I can not see what you would have against their proposal, absent a better design. Unfortuately the Report of the President's Commission on Implementation of United States Space Exploration Policy is no longer avaiiable - but in the hearing testimony I watched, overwhelming testimony was for a totally new design for many reasons.
Yep "If THAT's the case, I'm loaded with wisdom!!!"
ditto...
Yep, Richard, you are providing inspiration to this band of woken up bloggers...
Gilligan, no problems, spent some years honing my hacking skills in the early days...
Sheesh passwords were the hardest and sometimes the easiest...
That's how I came to work for the IP and TCP Security TAC support section at Cisco many years ago...
it's useful to know these things...
Richard is your source reading your blogs here?
Does he have any more insight or data to add to the previous blogs...
or is the confirmation by the music track, confirmation we are all in part on the correct trail...
i.e. leading to some dark shaddowy power, starting to react?
J aka 'Brian'
On Richard's and other's comments about various operations using revloutionary tech:
I have always thought it curious that nothing revolutionary has been discovered since the 40s. Like zip for 60 years. Sure the computer has come along, gotten very small (the first known computer was used by the ancient Greeks), communication has improved, but none of this and other things are in themsleves as revoultionary as the auto, plane, electric light, radio, and so forth. Has mankind become incapeable of revolutionary discoveries or are they hidden because they might be too dangerous or too unsettling?
Just a thought.
pif said:
>"TV series "Enterprise" was just cancelled." Yeah, and deservedly so. It has long sucked. Like its predessors. There was no larger theme - just hohum bad guys doing who knows what, for reasons unknown. Characters were very weak and some seemed just eye-candy.<
And what's wrong with eye-candy?
I have to whole-heartedly disagree with you about Enterprise being cancelled "deservedly so." After today, it is almost a crime that the short-sighted idiotic morons at UPN cancelled the only series that has continuously for 40 years inspired people to look up and dream of a better future for humanity!
Arguably rivalling TNG, it had some great stories and elegantly connecting NASA to the Star Trek universe with the uniforms that the officers wore.
Because of this it is also very symbolic that NASA would use this theme song.
A bit of topic but I had to say something...:)
PIF said...
(Can you propose a better model than safesimplesoon?)
What ever happen to the Venture Star reuseable shuttle program?
Richard,
You were talking about scientific predictions. What I'm not clear about is what exactly you are predicting? On one hand you are saying that there's a plot to down shuttle on landing. On another hand you're saying that they seem to be doing pretty good. Which is it?
And does it not make sense that if they really wanted to cause problems they would not attempt to repair the shuttle in orbit? Why not just play down the risk or mess with the picture? If they are messing with Mars pictures and other data it doesn't seem consistent that assuming they want to mess up shuttle on landing they would be putting so much effort into making sure that there's nothing wrong with it.
What am I missing here?
Richard,
Well you have certainly stirred up the blog followers with your Wayne Hale music choice theory. I have never seen the responses so split on agreeing or disagreeing with you. I must say I am intrigued that he chose the Enterprise theme song (btw: I am among the few who liked it and thought it fit the show) considering the many inspirational songs of many genres. I myself would think one of the songs from the Apollo 13 movie would be more inspirational because that would send the messages "they came home, and so will you", or "we are giving our all just like we did when Lovell's crew needed us". I'm not sure Enterprise's theme song is even inspirational for this aspect. But I digress.
I'm wondering why you haven't blogged on Discovery Channel's airing of their Deep Impact Documentary broadcasted on Sunday. You had mentioned it in an earlier blog, so I assumed there would be info in there that you would comment on. I found many hints that the whole thing was NASA controlled, and here are some: A. Unlike mentioning the whole project expense of 333 million as seen in many other news outlets, i.e. EnterpriseMission and on CNN and wired.com, they summed it up at $330 mil. Okay, not a big detail, but we are talking 3 mil here, not 30 cents. B. They showed how one of the camera lenses had cracked at test during build, but nothing of the in-mission bluriness and the algorithm fix that made imaging clearer when DI was on it's way to Tempel 1, or the recent statment from NASA that all the images are blurry. C. They didn't mention anything about the data return. Unless I was in the bathroom, I didn't here anything about image data or spectral data and when and if it would be released. They didn't even talk about what IR devices were installed at build and how data gained from those devices would help scientists. All though they did breifly state that this mission would tell scientists what a comet was really maded of. But confusing and somewhat contrary if you don't tell how data gathered will confirm\deny\bewilder current comet theories.
What I did hear over and over, was how succesful the mission was. But it seemed they were basing this glory solely on hitting Tempel 1 with the impactor. I'm certainly not belittling that feat, NASA obviously has some talented, intelligent and skilled engineers who so deserve a pat on the back for that accomplishment. But to say the mission was a success? That's like saying the Allies' mission was successful in 1944 when they stormed Normandy beach. No, they were successful because they accomplished that AND broke the Natzi grip on western Europe. What good is a probe impacting a comet if no data is returned or all of the images captured are blurry? If that is the case, my boss owes me a raise simply for showing up to work! RCH - your thoughts and take on Discovery's doc?
unipax here
prof x: with all due respect i think what you are missing is the presence of corruption, as in conspiracy, lies and disinformation.
aloha
Richard: Check out this blog entry from a reputable and intelligent Canadian journalist:
Bureaucratic murder in space?
Disclaimer - Offtopic Star-Trek/sci-fi post:
I used to watch TNG when it was out. Then I discovered Babylon 5 in the nineties, and frankly have found most Star Trek nearly unwatchable ever since... the episodes just seem so trite and contrived when compared to an epic, continuing story arc like B5. This is not to take away from Trek's inspirational and optimistic presentation of the future, which is quite visionary; I just don't think it makes for the most interesting television anymore.
The parallels in B5 with today's world are quite striking. The assassination of the President at the end of season 1 (an inside job) can be seen as a 9/11 event, which is used by the government as a means to a powergrab, clamping down on civil liberties, and a slide towards police-state facism... sound familiar?
These days I'm really digging the new Battlestar Galactica. :)
As I had asked before:
Do ground control and astranauts fold their hands and pray for safe arrival? Or is there orders coming from above which will subject this mission into doing something else that nobody finds any rationale in doing but can't help themselves in not doing?
NEWS INDICATES ANOTHER SPACE WALK IS NEEDED ON FRIDAY.......
The song was originally in Patch Adams? Oh, that's hilarious. What kind of message is he really sending? Get it - patch, as in, patch the shuttle. Patch Adams, a doctor in a clown suit. Oh brother.
Speaking of patching,
Mission Control informed the crew there was a chance that a fourth spacewalk might be needed Friday to deal with a torn thermal blanket below a cockpit window.
And while he's there, he can check the oil and top off the radiator.
Can I have the key to the restroom, Mr. Hale?
All seriousness aside, the intro music for Enterprise sucked. If someone chose that music to wake me up, I'd think he hated my guts.
Tim,
It was cancelled after at least a year behind schedule and hundreds of millions in cost overruns. Lockhead only made a half scale model of the X33.
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And the Show in question should have had writers to match the theme song. Not carp about the song not matching the aimless plot which bogged down after season one due to poor writing.
epic, continuing story arc like B5
That's what killed Enterprise - an attempt to create an epic, continuing story arc. The great thing about the original Star Trek and TNG was that most episodes stood alone. I get sick of seeing To Be Continued at the end of every show - come on. As Monty Python said, "Get on with it!" When Enterprise confined itself to a single episode, or at worst, a two-parter, was when it was at its best. Of course, my wife hated it because T'Pol was always sticking her boobs in everybody's face.
Heavens, those Vulcan women have really good posture!
OPEN THREAD PLEASE!
unipax here
Dear coincidence theorists,
especially for the skeptical. Maybe some of you guys just haven't done your homework. I think you know who you are. Here's a thought about the music choice:
RCH bloggged;
"I mean, what were the odds that, of all the possible songs on the planet which could have been radioed up to wake the crew -- just a few hours after an "Enterprise" blog appeared specifically discussing Mr. Hale's role in a VERY dubious Shuttle management decision -- this very individual would then select the only theme specifically written for the television series "Enterprise" to wake that very crew??!! "
Try put it another way. If there was not a coded nod to EM watchdogging, THAT song would damn sure be the LAST song they'd choose, because of course they ARE paying attention.
Aha, perhaps then it is disinformation you say?
(backpedaling from staunch coincidentalism ?)
I suppose that's always a possibility, what with the "hall of mirrors" and all. (thanx to Linda Moulton Howe for that phrase).
However, (no pun) considering the record, combined with current circumstances, I'll rule out disinfo this time.
aloha, c
unipax here,
(gilligan is out gathering coconuts for lunch)
Jasgrave: re my sense of the music 'playlist', please see my recent post.
Jasgrave; Yes, my education and worldview have been greatly enhanced by Richard's work and by his sources/associates. These include, and I will probably misspell a few ; Van Flandern, Kepler, Terebey, Dipietro, Molinaar, DePalma, Tesla, Tom Bearden, Begitch, Thompson, Maxwell, and more & more.
Jas, have you read the Hyper Dimensional basics? If not, the following link worked for me:
The Enterprise Mission - Hubble's New Runaway Planet - Part I
(of course there are many more)
aloha, c
I gotta admit though, this "NASA sending a coded message to EM" does kinda sound Inspector Clouseau-sish.
Ah, the old coded-message-through-the-wake-up-call ploy. Very clever.
Kato!
unipax here
gerald t :
Thanx, and yes, agreed RCH is a hero, in my experience.
and gerald, re "oddball outcasts", yeah sometimes a little lonely, especially when you attempt to share the info with others and what you get back is THE SMIRK. That is why I am thankful for the sense of community I feel here in this blog.
The meaning of the word 'hero' to me is amplified when one grasps the historical and global scope, depth and of the corruption being exposed by EM & crew. And of course there are others to credit. And thank god for the internet !
aloha, c
I was going to let Richards most recent posting slide... But I feel compelled to at least add my 2 cents worth.
No offense, but I have a very hard time believing that the song picked this morning has anything to do with a deeper or hidden message as extrapolated in the blog. In faithfully reading the comments section, I have seen many regular EM posters say the same thing in regard to today's posting. I also appreciate and understand what Brian C said in defense. In any event, I just find the whole topic/posting a bit of a stretch.
As any good investigator/scientist does, I try to observe as much as possible, remain impassionate, fully reasoning, and of course seek the truth. In this latest posting, I feel that the facts are stretched thin at best, and not quite ready for 'prime-time'. It also posits an easy out for either scenario - mission failure OR success.
I guess my point is - Stay on point and don't be distracted by the white noise and potential (or even inevitable) smokescreens.
Respectfully,
unipax here
Sorry meant to say;
The meaning of the word 'hero' to me is amplified when one grasps the historical and global scope, depth and IMPLICATIONS of the corruption being exposed by EM & crew. Precisely because of the implications, I feel that when truth and justice are delivered to this issue, the world and humanity will truly transform in many ways. And of course there are others to credit. And thank god for the internet !
aloha, c
unipax here
to rob from dc;
how about this? :
Try put it another way. If there was not a coded nod to EM watchdogging, THAT song would damn sure be the LAST song they'd choose, because of course they ARE paying attention.
Aha, perhaps then it is disinformation you say?
(backpedaling from staunch coincidentalism ?)
OMFs24 said..."...And while he's there, he can check the oil and top off the radiator."
LMAO that was brutal...
poor s0ds...
J aka 'Brian'
unipax ... gilligan ... whatever the hell my name is
jasgrave, correction for jasgrave(and anyone else interested in hyperdimensional basics)hee is the correct website: http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
aloha ,c
Aloha Unipax, thanks for filling in for Gilligan, tell him he can have some bleeding coconuts from this island if he's short of a few...
...We've had hundreds of them wash up since all these hurricanes have been blowing through and I 'aint talking bout da drink!
Yep I hear u, I dont yet understand all the musical references, but I catch your drift, it's extensive and insightful...
I hear yr insightful Sinicism to OMFs24...
I guess we are not going to know till the day it's set to arrive back here on earth...
Then once and for all the truth will be told...
But it's still an intriguing and prominent linkage in the DOTS...
PS OMFs24 Love the PP grew up with PSellers yep cut my teeth on Monty Python, Pink Panther, James Bond et all the good old British movies... sigh...
J aka 'Brian'
the old man from scene 24 said...
"That's what killed Enterprise - an attempt to create an epic, continuing story arc. The great thing about the original Star Trek and TNG was that most episodes stood alone."
It is a matter of taste, to be sure, and of course the tradeoff of adding a continuing arc is that it makes the show much harder to get into for newcomers.
However, continuous arc shows can be extremely successful if done well... witness Keifer Sutherland's "24".
unipax here
gilligan is now out by his smoky coconut husk fire, frantically signalling the space sisters for rescue.
Richard, hope you don't mind the accolades to you that I wrote above to gerald t.
As 'gilligan' mentioned earlier, you are a mentor. That's why I nicknamed you 'skipper'. Hope you don't mind that either. I think it is kinda fun. After all, it is THE CAPTAIN'S blog . :-) pander, pander, pander. What the hell. Not exactly pander, since I just checked Webster's dictionary.
Your work opened my eyes to what's going on around us. Like a rosetta stone. Note that I resisted saying 'like a rolling stone', even though I have a genetic (irish) weakness for corn laden language. Thanx again, sibling.
aloha, c
unipax
hey gerald t,
great pics of tailings.
and good pic of thet thar scrungy ole prospector :)
aloha, c
Chops said...
>Thanks Richard,
>For the Blog - and the opportunity it affords so many of us to keep a KEEN eye on things going on...and, thanks to your sleep-deprived efforts, virtually in REAL TIME!<
Don't get spoiled! This CANNOT continue at this pace ... after Eileen and her crew get home safely. Fortunately ... it won't HAVE to. :)
unipax
jas, you said u dont quite understand the musical references.
nasa mission chief hale responded to EM watchdogging by choosing a song named 'enterprise' for shuttle crew. Details are at:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog/htm
aloha, c
"Anonymous said...
unipax ... gilligan ... whatever the hell my name is
jasgrave, correction for jasgrave(and anyone else interested in hyperdimensional basics)hee is the correct website: http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
aloha ,c
3/8/05 4:06 PM "
Thanks Gilligan Uniplex, et all, I'm detecting Island fever, yep we get that here too, and that's not coconut smoke ;) might wanna tie a piece of rope round Gilligans ankle, :))
Thank you for the Hyperdimensional link, yep I'm well up and into that. I wrote a part blong on Angels and Wind and the 'theory' that the great superbeing 'God' aka YHWH aka FIVE 5 is errm controling tings!!!
4 5's seem to be the key but Seven Fives are THE KEY Rev 5:5 ;)
I've no doubt whatsoever left that tings right now r as prophesied, gonna sing the drinking song Brian'ised version...
"I'm not the doom bringer I'm the doom bringers son, I'm just here prophesying doom till the doom bringer comes..."
J aka 'Life of Brian' :)
unipax
Richard, Hear you re the pace.
And re getting 'spoiled'.
Didn't you wanna get back to Iapetus part 7 :) ?
aloha, c
Unipax, heard you...
Anonymous said...
unipax
jas, you said u dont quite understand the musical references.
nasa mission chief hale responded to EM watchdogging by choosing a song named 'enterprise' for shuttle crew. Details are at:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog/htm
aloha, c
3/8/05 4:39 PM
I hear you... it wasnt that, it was this long list of names, I've spent so many hours researching things these last three months, that I nearly fainted when I saw I hadn't even touched the surface with your long list of names here;
These include, and I will probably misspell a few ; Van Flandern, Kepler, Terebey, Dipietro, Molinaar, DePalma, Tesla, Tom Bearden, Begitch, Thompson, Maxwell, and more & more.
Jas, have you read the Hyper Dimensional basics? If not, the following link worked for me:
The Enterprise Mission - Hubble's New Runaway Planet - Part I
(of course there are many more)
I went arrrrggghhhh... more research, so it was a subtle way of saying, I'll look into it later :)
but I thought I caught your drift...
I'll errrm continue smoking the grass growing around the palm tree's out there :)
J aka 'Brian'
unipax
jas no worries re the list of names.
they are mostly on the few pages of that HyperD website.
I mostly mentioned that for readers that are bewildered/skeptical cuz they don't yet have the info.
And I'm no expert. I'm just a student, reading, trying to stay a couple steps ahead of the island fever you correctly diagnosed.
aloha, c
Anonymous said...
>NASA determined that the exposed ceramic-fiber fillers could lead to overheating and a possible repeat of Columbia's disastrous re-entry. Thus two potentially dangerous strips of protruding filler from Discovery's tile belly were pulled. WHat next? Do ground control and astranauts fold their hands and pray for safe arrival? Or is there orders coming from above which will subject this mission into doing something else that nobody finds any rationale in doing but can't help themselves in not doing?<
It's called "death by a thousand cuts ..." Totally consistent with what we've been told is REALLY going on, preparatory to junking the ENTIRE Shuttle Program.
Just as long as it doesn't jeopardize the lives of THIS crew ....
Richard said..
>"It's called "death by a thousand cuts ..."
Make that 1001.
Just saw on the wire that yet ANOTHER snafu pending with a torn thermal blanket..
sheesh..
Telepath said...
>Though I'm a stauch supporter for manned spaceflight, I've long thought that the space station itself was a boondoggle. Simultaneously now --as you've pointed out-- the shuttle fleet is indeed based on obsolete technology and increasingly difficult to maintain.
>But now we have this goal of a return to the Moon and, possibly, a 'cabal' within NASA which may be trying to find some means of backing out of the whole sorry mess that the station/shuttle fleet (as a packaged deal) now represents.
>For the sake of balance, I therefore have to ask: Isn't it possible that you might be backing the wrong horse??
>Of course, I don't really know enough to actually know what I'm talking about --but if the new goal is a return to the Moon (which I strongly endorse, myself), and the space program badly needs the funds for the new technology (new ships!) required to accomplish this goal, how could that reasonably be accomplished without the immediate termination of the current priorities? Wouldn't a string of possibly exaggerated concerns actually be the most effective and (diplomatic) strategy?<
It ALL depends on HOW it's done ... and the safety of the crew.
I actually agree: the Fleet should be retired ASAP, and the new systems brought on line. The creation of the Shuttle/Station combination -- and their almost "codependence" (in the most negative connotations of that word) -- was done in a TOTALLY different political environment. It's time to retire this wonderful but aging vehicle ....
BUT--
This MUST NOT involve another catastrophic "accident" which loses another crew!!!
Justin said...
>Ddidnt know if you guys saw this yet..
>http://www.wired.com/news/space/0,2697,68258,00.html<
Thanks.
Wait til we publish OUR model .... :)
PIF said...
>ON the email blog paste issue: Solved.
>I emailed the current blog to myself. What the emailer sees before sending is not a problem, since the email contains only a link to the blog.<
Terrific work.
Now ... want a job in Houston? We've apparently got an "in" .... :)
PIF said...
>Templemaster333, RCH:
>>The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace.<<
>There is an old book, (1974) called "Colony Earth" by Richard E. Mooney. In it he mentions but does not elaborate this point. He says there is 'ample geological evidence to suggest that during its first two billion years Earth was tidally locked to the sun' and 'for reasons unknown' began to spin after than. His thesis seem to be that we were 'planted' here at some time some how. (I'm reading it now but have not gotten far along).
>The tidally locked idea also is mentioned by David Talbot in regard to Saturn: Earth, Mars, and Venus were once tidally locked with Saturn. Something happened to change all this.
>Different authors, different times, tidal locking, something causing this phase to end, something causing axial spin. Perhaps what we are looking at are events widely separated in time, each with different results. But looking at the remaining evidence, we see them, at present, as one event? Ask TVF if this might be a possibility, if the underlying physics also altered? The physics constants today may not be constants at all - there was a drastic altering of early universe physics from those we see today.<
We, of course, have extensively discussed a "tidally-locked Mars" -- in our own "Mars Tidal Model": http://www.enterprisemission.com/tides.htm
WHAT Mars was tidally locked TO -- in the Model -- was "Planet V." The object that blew up ... creating the comets/asteroids ... including Tempel 1 ... some 65 million/3 million years ago ....
Now, IF we introduce Hyperdimensional TECHNOLOGY into the equation -- such that our great, great, great ancestors were capable of moving WHOLE PLANETS around the solar system ... then a pairing of Earth/Mars becomes a startling possibility ....
We simply do not have sufficient astrophysical information at this point to make that decision, notwithstanding the awesome fact of the very existence of a PHYSICS which would permit such a "god-like" technology ....
Which is why I'd kinda like to SEE the libraries buried in the Moon, or at Cydonia .... :)
PIF said...
>RCH said:
>>Also remember: now, according to the way these people think, the "enemy" is US!!!<<
>Perhaps we should change our blog names to "Enemy Agent # XX" or the like :)<
Personally, I liked "Agent 99" ....
RCH said,
Which is why I'd kinda like to SEE the libraries buried in the Moon, or at Cydonia .... :)
That would make the Alexandria Library seem.....
Tim brooks said...
>Hey, Richard I know you have allot going on with NASA, but do have any plans on doing a Coral Castle update?<
Of course. It's only a matter of "when." :)
We have some really neat new data, which we might get to discussing on the upcoming August 7th "Coast" Show with Ventura ... as it applies directly to "alternative space propulsion."
Richard.... i told it to you last friday :-)
Cheers
unipax
Hey skipper,
So, what language do you think is written in those library books out there ?
Or maybe, the 'books' are like video files, just a stream of colors hat conveys the data, regardless of 'language'.
Yikes, ... I like that.
And do you think they have been beyond Mars yet?
aloha, c
unipax
ditto re agent 99
Anonymous said...
>Richard: You are safe either way: If Shuttle disintegrates in space, it will confirm what you have said all along. If it arrives safely, the enterprise vocals have been heard and the memo was loud enough for the cabal to hold back.<
I presume you're being "anonymous" is NOT some kind of a "political statement" .... :)
First -- why do folks INSIST in trying to make this continually about "us?"
We are ONLY the messenger in this case, for a highly connected "inside source." The ultimate result we ALL want is a safe return of Eileen and her extraordinary crew. If THAT happens, why should you ... or anyone ... really care "how" it came about?
But, of course, I'm not naive: you're looking for "proof" that Enterprise has had the influence we have now reported that we apparently have ....
Again -- why is THAT important --except to those of us at Enterprise? :)
In fact, there IS a "test" of all of this: if, after a "suitable interval," you begin to hear (and read) voices arguing for an EARLY retirement of the entire Shuttle Fleet (well before 2010 ...), do NOT be "surprised" ....
In fact, be on the lookout for such "thoughtful" editorial think pieces -- in The New York Times, USA Today, The Washington Post, Reuters -- to be begin just about ... NOW.
But remember: you FIRST read about it HERE.
Stay tuned.
Hi Richard,
I was just clearing brush out here at the ranch with the TV on and heard Joe Biden on the Daily Show; he sounded like a man who wants to be President in the near future. Is he one of the good guys? Should I send him this blog?
Can't wait 'til Sunday night/Monday morning. You're way over-due for a coast-to-coast data dump. Does the Tempel 1 crater show a three-layered "complex geologic history"? And what of the enigmatic third unit and its unannounced composition? Swear to Gawd, I don't know what anything is made of anymore.....
Wishing you an August Roll,
I think it's a done deal.
1. President says end shuttle by 2010.
2. NASA issued a RFP for a CRV replacement. Popular Science.
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,20967,1047182,00.html
3. External tank contracts only thru 2008. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=15389&rsbci=15260&fti=0&ti=0&sc=400
4. Talking heads all talking about replacement and old technology.
Predicted results: A smaller less capable spacecraft. New vehicle technical problems and huge cost overruns!
Anonymous said...
>Someone made the comment in an earlier post on why Hale would go along with the plan and make the announcement himself. I'm sure many readers who are engineers will realise that engineers are very rarely in charge, someways below bean counters, PR people, and bearucrats in fact. Hale fits exactly the man to act as a fall guy carrying this bad news. Hes not the first guy taken off the coal face, poured into a suit and sent out to do managements dirty business.<
You're PRECISELY right: the "patsey." Or, as Washington likes to term it: a means to "plausible deniability" for the folks REALLY in charge.
I read Hale's "message" last night as a "I've HAD it! If you push me too much further ... stand back!! And I know JUST the guy I'll use to blow the doors off this whole thing ...!"
MY interpretation of a technical guy ... forced into a POLITICAL position ... and NOT liking it.
BTW: did you hear his technique for getting additional information from the Program for his management decisions?:
MBWA -- "Management By Wandering Around" ....
You get an "A" for the month for nailing this one perfectly! :)
RCH said...
(We have some really neat new data, which we might get to discussing on the upcoming August 7th "Coast" Show with Ventura ... as it applies directly to "alternative space propulsion)
Thanks, I have read alot about the Coral Castle and have built lifters. Have you ever check out the site http://www.coralcastlecode.com. I think in the end massless eather and electrogravity will be the winning tickit. Is it just me or does string theory seem to be the same thing as eather? I think the name was just changed so that all the people who said eather not real would not be worng. Anyway thanks again an update would be great.
"Now ... want a job in Houston? We've apparently got an "in" .... :)"
Now if it weren't for the smile at the end, I'd be taking that offer seriously. I could use a job which I could believe in again...
PIF said...
( Tim,
It was cancelled after at least a year behind schedule and hundreds of millions in cost overruns. Lockhead only made a half scale model of the X33.)
Well, PIF...
If Lockheed has alread done 1/2 the R&D and have built a haft scale model, why not just pick up where they left off as apossed to starting all over again. I work for an engineering firm , I'm a instrmentation designer for chemical plants, the only time things get behind schedule is when you give people too much time and money. They will milk every penny they can. Put them on a tight bugit and a time schedule that is two months shorter then the time needed, and somehow it well get done. Turst me a goverment job does get milked. I've work on a few of them. Look at the Venture Star, Lockheed more than like got paid and never really had to produce anything.
unipax
pif agent 36.5;
good point re meaningful jobs!
what are some examples?
aloha, c
Richard,
I know you are busy, but didn't see your reply to my comment. If you missed it, search the page for Cochak612 to find my first post. If you do get a chance to reply with your thoughts on the Discovery channel broadcast, it would be great. Thanks. And I'm guessing the blog thing is bitter-sweet as now you probably have way less time than before!
I like that song, can't somebody just like a song? I like Ray Charles, doesn't mean I'm a blind black man from the south.
Ten Alp
Richard,
The libraries, is that it?
Indeed a key notion. Based on an example like the cuniform Sumerian tablets, stone would be the good choice for permanency. There's always a repository.The Moon too, and at Cydonia,Mars would thrill and old fellow like Sitchin with the life times of profound analysis they would bring.
Understandably recognizing the revealing of the inherently bigger story. Which will be known when sharing occurs and right conduct in the deepest sense is observed and demonstrated. Right Conduct, NASA is the underlying theme and that is not obtuse.
This is what I feel is the principle shout of Captain's Blog. The right way is known, it is simply not being engaged and that is inherently unsustainable. The NASA "cabel" currently being, must, logically move forward , be successful, rightly, honestly progressing.
"Ascension" has rules.
Anything else is remedial and will not "fly". :)
unipax
iontruo;
well said. :)
Unipax said ...
>Dear coincidence theorists,
>Eespecially for the skeptical. Maybe some of you guys just haven't done your homework. I think you know who you are. Here's a thought about the music choice:
>RCH bloggged:
>"I mean, what were the odds that, of all the possible songs on the planet which could have been radioed up to wake the crew -- just a few hours after an "Enterprise" blog appeared specifically discussing Mr. Hale's role in a VERY dubious Shuttle management decision -- this very individual would then select the only theme specifically written for the television series "Enterprise" to wake that very crew??!! "
>Try put it another way. If there was not a coded nod to EM watchdogging, THAT song would damn sure be the LAST song they'd choose, because of course they ARE paying attention.
>Aha, perhaps then it is disinformation you say?
(backpedaling from staunch coincidentalism ?)
>I suppose that's always a possibility, what with the "hall of mirrors" and all. (thanx to Linda Moulton Howe for that phrase).
>However, (no pun) considering the record, combined with current circumstances, I'll rule out disinfo this time.
>aloha, c<
Nice succinct analysis ....
One added note: we're NOT "theorizing" here. Our source FLATLY confirmed "It IS a message -- but not just to you guys, to the 'other guys' too ..."
So, how to read that: as disinfo? Hardly ... as we've known this source for YEARS, and the information has ALWAYS been reliable ... and predictive (meaning, we were told things BEFORE they were made public, and they came true -- like the release of the 2001 Full Face image at Cydonia, a few HOURS after we were told that it would be released ... with "spin.").
So, you "coincidence theorists" are left with a VERY simple choice here: either take my word that we HAVE a reliable, "inside, confirming source" ... or don't.
It's THAT simple.
If we do, and if the facts are as we've stated here, the implications -- for ANY other things going on in and around NASA in the coming weeks and months -- are simply enormous.
Stay tuned ....
P.S. I've asked SPECIFICALLY for the Deep Impact data from this source -- repeatedly -- as (now) a "quid pro quo." They "owe us," don't you think, on this one ...? :)
Unipax ....
>Richard, hope you don't mind the accolades to you that I wrote above to gerald t.<
Did you get your check ok ...? :)
Seriously: it's nice to hear from time to time how you've POSITIVELY influenced other folks. The "other types" sure as hell aren't shy about letting you know when you have NOT. :)
Unipax,
>Richard, Hear you re the pace.
And re getting 'spoiled'.
Didn't you wanna get back to Iapetus part 7 :) ?
>aloha, c<
After Eileen and company are SAFELY down .... :)
Blasted said...
>Richard said..
>>"It's called "death by a thousand cuts ..."<<
>Make that 1001.
>Just saw on the wire that yet ANOTHER snafu pending with a torn thermal blanket..
>Sheesh.<
My point -- precisely.
And, if this IS a pattern, a prelude to throwing up their hands and saying "This thing CAN'T fly anymore, afterall!!" ... there WILL be more ....
Stay tuned.
unipax
:-) aw shucks, Skipper, I'm honored.
thanx ! :-)
aloha, c
ps: I'm the Hawaii ufo guy with the was gilligan, was midpac identity thing going on. Probably you knew that.
Enki said...
I was just clearing brush out here >at the ranch with the TV on and heard Joe Biden on the Daily Show; he sounded like a man who wants to be President in the near future. Is he one of the good guys? Should I send him this blog?<
Definitely yes ... on BOTH counts. I'd LOVE to see him run. We'd finally get some REAL discussion of the crucial ISSUES confronting ALL of us. Make a helluva campaign.
Send it to him .... :)
Cochak612 said...
>I know you are busy, but didn't see your reply to my comment. If you missed it, search the page for Cochak612 to find my first post. If you do get a chance to reply with your thoughts on the Discovery channel broadcast, it would be great. Thanks. And I'm guessing the blog thing is bitter-sweet as now you probably have way less time than before!<
I didn't reply because I HAVEN'T seen it yet, I've been a little busy .... :)
From all the comments that I've seen, however, it's not even worth it. However--
Since we can spot the subtle political nuances that some folks miss ... I'll look at it sometime in the next few days, as soon as we can breath a little on Discovery .... I'll probably need to do that BEFORE Sunday night anyway, when I'm on "Coast" again -- full show.
BTW: I'm on "Coast" again tonight, with another "Discovery Update," First Hour.
Malapropos as it may be of the discussion at hand, I'm going to take this opportunity to ask Richard a question that's been niggling at the back of my mind for (at least a few) years.
Rumor circulated back in the late 90's or early 00's that you (Richard C. Hoagland) were invited by none other than the Egyptian under-secretary of state for the Giza monuments, Zahi Hawass, to examine the interior of the Great Pyramid after having intimated in one of your C2C appearances and/or on TEM that a secret tunnel was being excavated from above the King's Chamber to whatever was on the opposite side of Gantenbrink's door, but that you declined the offer for unspecified reasons.
Is it true that Zahi the Magnificent Boob really made you this offer? If so, why O why did you turn it down?
Just out of curiosity. :)
Viola Riviniana said...
>Malapropos as it may be of the discussion at hand, I'm going to take this opportunity to ask Richard a question that's been niggling at the back of my mind for (at least a few) years.
>Rumor circulated back in the late 90's or early 00's that you (Richard C. Hoagland) were invited by none other than the Egyptian under-secretary of state for the Giza monuments, Zahi Hawass, to examine the interior of the Great Pyramid after having intimated in one of your C2C appearances and/or on TEM that a secret tunnel was being excavated from above the King's Chamber to whatever was on the opposite side of Gantenbrink's door, but that you declined the offer for unspecified reasons.
>Is it true that Zahi the Magnificent Boob really made you this offer? If so, why O why did you turn it down?
>Just out of curiosity. :)<
As with most rumors, this one is only PARTIALLY true. :)
The timeframe was actually the late 90's, and it wasn't Zahi who invited me (after earlier attacking me in the major Cairo papers as a "Zionist agent!"), it was a third party who we BOTH knew.
The trip fell apart for political and financial reasons having NOTHING to do with Egypt or Hawass.
Zahi, I was TOLD as this was being set up, would "allow me" into the Country and these Giza facilities ... even after the curious things he had said against me.
I intend to take him up on the offer in person ... and probably reasonably soon (after I clear my desk of a LOT of other things!). So ...
Stay tuned. :)
Unipax,
>I'm the the Hawaii ufo guy with the was gilligan, was midpac identity thing going on. Probably you knew that.<
I'm not THAT sleep-deprived .... :)
unipax
thanks Richard,
yeah, got the check, thnx. heh-heh. :-)
I figured out something important (to me, at least):
Sharing this info has become my job 1, ever since I "got it" and 'grasped the keys' .
Since a kid, I have been drawn to this quest, with a gut level 'knowing'. I now have 56 solar orbits under my belt. I was paying close attention long before I jumped on the 'traveling Space Brothers show' in 1980, which of course is why I jumped. (part of me still hopes it really was the siblings.)
Here 's why this info was initially compelling;
a. Understanding now (thanx again) the whole damn 'unbelievable' mind-boggling BIG STORY. A whole new history of mankind. The biggest story of all time. 65 million years is it ? Sheesh, I thought the sphinx's age discovery & Atlantis were big deals.
Here is why it is now the most compelling issue, to me;
b. Realization and appeciation of the Universal IMPLICATIONS: Its the DAMN IMPLICATIONS; the lid can come off consciousness globally, door opens to oppurtunity for humanity to come together, transformation of the quality of life, energy, politics, you name it.
Put differently, I feel that this work, disclosure, encompasses and would as an umbrella resolve all our issues. Take hunger, sickness suffering. We know that most if not all these problems today are VERY fixable. Peanuts, really. Their resolution and their continuance both are merely a matter of choice, policy, agenda. Since their offices are all linked, the same crowd and same mindset is responsible for secrecy and suffering, hunger, etc.
BUT, fixing the hunger issue for example is starting near the bottom of the chain.
Working for disclosure addresses the pile at the top, or center, if you will, of the problem. Coconuts roll easier and faster downhill. Not only that, at this point, disclosure actually feels simpler and closer than ending hunger or aids.
OK, I think I said it. That is why to me this feels like job #1. Just keep those checks coming please. :-) Not! That's only a joke, boys and girl (sorry Lesly, couldn't resist)
aloha, c
Well...I've never written in the "blogosphere" before, but here goes:
If Richard's right about a "cabal" in NASA that wants a catastrophic end to Discovery (both the mission and the human hope of "discovery", come to think of it), then they're really military/neocon world rulers, NOT true NASA people (as I think sunKing pointed out)...With the death of Discovery, NASA would also die as an agency of human space exploration. This would fit very nicely with the goal of closing off space to civilian exploration, at least by people as opposed to robots...On your question as to why Strange Ed Dames wouldn't "see" the Shuttle's destruction as opposed to merely predicting it, that's easy, Richard: Anyone "remote viewing" a future event could only "see" a probability, whatever odds they might "see" of its actually occuring...I'm keeping an open mind on the Remote Viewing question for the moment, but my confident prediction is that Discovery lands in one piece, on a nice long runway, with a VERY happy crew...SRC
unipax
gotta and this to my soapbax rant:
Why disclosure?
It's all about the shiny flip side of Brookings :-)
PS, If the crew wakes up to "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC, then I WILL be concerned...
Spaceracecase said...
>PS, If the crew wakes up to "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC, then I WILL be concerned...<
Me too. :)
Remember Ben Franklin's immortal quote: "The price of Liberty is ETERNAL vigilence."
I won't relax until they're down ... safely. There's EVERYTHING at stake you outlined ... and more.
That, I feel, was the REAL, hidden meaning behind Hale's choice of "Enterprise" last night. We are literally looking at TWO roads ....
An interesting page on the current shuttle mission with the title Water Dump Fiasco:
http://www.projectprove.com/Arts/114tmp/114tmp.php
unipax
gotta add to the list of implied results of disclosure;
These days, 'new management' could also even lead to improvements in yes, the WEATHER.
aloha, c
unipax
hhmmm ... gets kinda quiet in here at this time of night, being that I'm out here on the western outer limits of the time zones. Got the place to myself I guess.
Spooky. (whoa, there's a good username)
"Do not underestimate the power of this blog."
:)
There are not so many places where people are trying to dig the thrut out of the hole.
Good will, figuring out the real word out of the lies are told us anytime, this is what I see here.
Wild but mostly reasonable speculations.
That is why I love this space.
Let's keep on riding.
Unipax,
>Hhmmm ... gets kinda quiet in here at this time of night, being that I'm out here on the western outer limits of the time zones. Got the place to myself I guess.
Spooky. (whoa, there's a good username).<
Last turn around the "ship" before I turn in .... :)
Haven't been able to figure that out yet: why it gets "quiet" at this time every night ....
We're literally world-wide ... but, the stats show a definite ~12-hour cycle, primarily aimed at North America ....
Another of Life's (or, at least the Internet's) "little mysteries."
Later. :)
has anyone seen the nasa smoking gun video yet?
Richard said:
"Remember Ben Franklin's immortal quote: "The price of Liberty is ETERNAL vigilence." "
Good shot RCH!
There is a videogame from the Wing Commander series, that I played in the past. Its title is "The Price of Freedom". It was a Space Shooter. The plot was: Mankind had just won a war against an alien race, and for them (Starfleet etc.) there was nothing left to do, then a war was "invented" at the far reaches of the known space, with the border worlds who were seeking independancy. To revitalise the Starfleet and the war industry with an artificial civil war.
After playing that, I just realised that somebody was trying to let a message get through there. On one side, I had the creeps. On the other, I was happy because I felt less alone in believing that something very, very wrong was developing in the world.
I DO believe that within THIS world, people may try to let messages go through at a second or third level. And I do leave the chance that the "Enterprise theme" (being it sucking or not) may well be a message to us, and to whoever is reading us, too.
howzit RCH, all the way from south africa.
if you got some time i suggest you read this book
"the hidden records" for sale on www.thehiddenrecords.com
even mentions you in it....you'll really like the research...have a quick squizz
Unipax said: Here is why it is now the most compelling issue, to me;
b. Realization and appeciation of the Universal IMPLICATIONS: Its the DAMN IMPLICATIONS; the lid can come off consciousness globally, door opens to oppurtunity for humanity to come together, transformation of the quality of life, energy, politics, you name it.
And Massimo Said:Good will, figuring out the real word out of the lies are told us anytime, this is what I see here.
Nicely said! Beyond the tech talk and science comments, this is the wider scope of what comes through this Blog of the Captain's.
Much bigger than just the subject before us.
To, the old man from scene 24..., threads weave, and create a cohesive pattern larger than the single thread. I have been suprised to find the various seemingly eapparent off topic comments, can click relevent for someone here while weaving into the day's posting.
Good.will Prevail.
Oh, look! Where have I read something like this before?
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/main/index.html
Well, maybe there are two.
... maybe more.
Maybe some others are coming soon at the edge of the solar system.
:)
Like a good oriental rug, through weft and "warp" (pun:), these threads take flight and carry forward. By example, clarity, is demonstrated in this interwoven harmony of dialogue and ideas.
Perhaps this is just a comment of conscious support for the diversity of this Blog flow, yet for those who don't quite "get it", this is the dynamic that impulses the likes of NASA to hear and be moved to change in the light of our cohesive focus on them and their current way of conduct.
Tim,
You are missing some points:
1) The model they built as well as the team are likely scrapped and disbanded respectively. Thus could not pick up where they left off and would have to start over.
2) The safesimplesoon design uses off the shelf components for most of their design so that avenue would not be starting over.
3) The X-33 was scraped for a reason: it would not do what the designers intended; things kept breaking.
I think you and I are on two different approaches - you seem to prefer elegant design, I on the other hand prefer practical. Elegant design usually means experimental; experimental means uncertainty and unreliability; those mean specialized components, teams and manufacturing; that means expensive cost overruns and long lead times. The shuttle was all of that when it was conceived 40 years ago. You seem - I could be wrong - to argue for returning to what is now certainly an obsolescent design which is experiential in nature. And as such more costly than it needs to be.
The Russian Proton booster is practical and cheap. We need something to compete with that and the French Aridana. These things earn their keep so to speak by carrying other people's stuff into orbit. The shuttle was already losing contracts because of its expense before Columbia.
There are several other proposals out there worth a look. Go over to http://www.space-frontier.org/ and take a look at their info on the whole industry. Look at the Kistler proposal at http://www.kistleraerospace.com/ and so on.
Building a shuttle for what they wanted in the 'first place' or even to the original design goals would not fulfill NASA's new mission. The CEV must meet new criteria and new goals, not the old. NASA, or whomever is picked must build a vehicle(s) that is rapidly deployable, safe, cheap, reliable and will do the multiple mission jobs envisioned. Or lose to the competition.
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unipax;
Meaningful jobs? I said 'a job I could believe in' - two different concepts. 'Meaningful' implies a social/group judgment. 'Believe in' is personal and subjective to a particular individual. For instance - in my former life - I believed in what I did, but a lot of people did not consider it meaningful and destroyed the industry.
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Paul,
I agree to a point. NASA cannot get out of the launch business until Congress permits. There's a little thing called insurance private companies need but NASA does not. Congress has not fixed this as far as I know. NASA could quickly earn profits if advertising logo were a) allowed and 2) the money returned to NASA'a budget. Congress has not fix this either. Most importantly NASA's culture has to be drastically and radically changed or none of this will ever happen. This point was made over and over again, even by JGlenn at the Moon to Mars hearings.
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Something to keep in mind. Last nite Hale made the point that all the stuff they are seeing now as potential problems, they previously only saw after return. They could fix problems before the next launch and we would know little of it. But now they see these things in real time so NASA has to come up with instant fixes much like on Apollo 13.
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Speculation about the hypothetical libraries is pointless. They either exist or not. If they exist, what key can be used to translate them? If they were made by people - as RCH said who could move planets - would the putative explorer even recognize them as libraries? For instance suppose an explorer finds a library because something else has pointed the way. But all he actually finds is a large empty airless enclosed space. Would he know how to activate it? Suppose that activation only happens when the space is filled with an atmosphere whose chemical composition was present long ago, but no present trace remains, and then the explorer must utter a WORD in a particular pronunciation and particular tone and duration. This of course would be magic to us today, but not to a race who seems to have placed overwhelming importance of math and physics. With these comes a high order music. All this could be represented orally by specific WORDS. Just a thought.
Talk about having a few tiles loose……I think the author overheated on his last re-entry to reality….. ;)
Pif, re: Speculation about the hypothetical libraries.
If there is a revealing of prior civilizations i.e Mars-Cydonia, "libraries" is the fast track to understanding their general picture. On our world, a tendency towards a repository of knowledge has been demonstrated numerous times across cultures and time ie. Sumeria, China, Egypt, The Dead Sea Scrolls etc. Cuniform being well prior to Hieroglyphics was very challenging and quite alien to comprehend, but they cracked it and it brought with it a significant depth of information, especially in its format. I agree with you in terms of the challenge of comprehension and the question of our capability with regards to "foreign" and advanced methods of records keeping. Your example on activation is excellent and I do wonder if we have anyone capable of that level of insight and ability? This is where mere intellectualism may not be whats needed to grasp such complexities. Maybe something like that would be the situation that would heal and remarry science back with true mysticism where it started, and I don't mean the kindgarten level religiosity that is currently the mainstream.
Was Richard just musing about the library idea in his reference or was it a subtle mention of something he knows, yet is not ready to take firm stance on, but let it out anyway? There was confidence in his quip earlier, as well, that the "Second-Space Program is walking amongst the ruins at Cydonia".
Fortunately I need not bear the burden of proof, just letting the subject flow, watching for the light of truth.
Again Pif, cool insight of the method activation. A turn of a word, a tone of a tune, the math of a "composition".
Hi Richard,
You were right again... It has already started...read
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8817956/
Richard,
Just noted August 15th is referred to on the Outlook Calendar as "Discovery Day".
Here's what I found at http://www.glenbow.org/exhibitions/online/libhtm/aug15.htm
When George Washington Carmack and his two brothers-in-law, Skookum Jim and Tagish Charley, discovered gold on Rabbit (later Bonanza) Creek in the Yukon on August 17, 1896, it touched off a gold rush the likes of which the world had never seen. Word of the discovery did not reach the outside world until mid-July of the following year, when the steamer Portland docked in Seattle with two tonnes of gold in her cargo hold. At the time North America was experiencing a severe economic depression and unemployment was high. As the tales of sudden, and almost unbelievable, wealth spread, thousands of men, and a few women, started off on the long and arduous journey to the gold fields of the Klondike. Today, the people of the Yukon still celebrate Discovery Day on the third Monday in August.
Just a funny little coincidence..
-Discovery-
IonTruO2,
Thanks! I do have my good points! There are some other ideas like that floating around in here (my head). While not making any claims about this idea, I think Richard and TVF's exploding planet theory may be very valid, just not the way they think. Rather the time scale is so huge that as TVF postulates there may have been an event(s) prior to Planet X, but from the remains we see today, multipule events may seem like only one or two. And that Richard may have to add a few dozen greats to the great ancestor idea. And if there really were multiple events prior to X, then why not multiple civilizations? Perhaps each as much in the dark about their ancestors, at some early point, as we are about them? Personally, while the RCH/TVF theory streaches back some 60 mya, in may in fact go back over 439 mya and beyond into the billions of years.
Oh and yes I am suggesting that the First Civilization may have arisen billions of years ago - based on new findings that the Earth of 4.5 bya could have have harbored life.
Ok, this is freaky bizarre.
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1071404&tw=wn_wire_story
A. Eileen maybe needs to take Ari Fleischer's advice and watch what she says. We can't have NASA mission commanders spouting eco-terrorist nonsense.
Commander Eileen Collins said astronauts on shuttle Discovery had seen widespread environmental destruction on Earth and warned on Thursday that greater care was needed to protect natural resources... "Sometimes you can see how there is erosion, and you can see how there is deforestation. It's very widespread in some parts of the world," Collins said... "We would like to see, from the astronauts' point of view, people take good care of the Earth and replace the resources that have been used," said Collins...
But for the real winner of coded messages, check out this quote:
"The atmosphere almost looks like an eggshell on an egg, it's so very thin," she said. "We know that we don't have much air, we need to protect what we have."
We know that we don't have much air? Apollo 13, anyone? Four spacewalks, with another planned for tomorrow, one to pull out bits of felt from between a couple of tiles, another to repair a torn thermal blanket?
Has all this crap been a smokescreen for MAJOR repairs ongoing trying to fix a major problem? Is THAT why the astronauts were blinking so rapidly, because they are scared shitless?
Is that the real reason they grounded the entire shuttle fleet before this one had even landed, because there is something seriously wrong up there?
One more quote from this article, one that bothers the hell out of me. It's hard to ascribe this as a typo, because after all the author of the article capitalized the word:
"Tragically, two years ago, we came to realize we had let our God down. We became lost in our hubris and learned once more the terrible price that must be paid for our failures," said mission specialist Charles Camarda.
We let our GOD down?
WTF??????????
Interestingly, this article doesn't mention this choice quotes at all. One of its quotes picks up immediately after Specialist Camarda said "We let our God down."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050804/ap_on_sc/space_shuttle
It's almost like AP is avoiding these quotes.
PIF said...
>Templemaster333, RCH:
>>The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace.<<
>There is an old book, (1974) called "Colony Earth" by Richard E. Mooney. In it he mentions but does not elaborate this point. He says there is 'ample geological evidence to suggest that during its first two billion years Earth was tidally locked to the sun' and 'for reasons unknown' began to spin after than. His thesis seem to be that we were 'planted' here at some time some how. (I'm reading it now but have not gotten far along).
>The tidally locked idea also is mentioned by David Talbot in regard to Saturn: Earth, Mars, and Venus were once tidally locked with Saturn. Something happened to change all this.
>Different authors, different times, tidal locking, something causing this phase to end, something causing axial spin. Perhaps what we are looking at are events widely separated in time, each with different results. But looking at the remaining evidence, we see them, at present, as one event? Ask TVF if this might be a possibility, if the underlying physics also altered? The physics constants today may not be constants at all - there was a drastic altering of early universe physics from those we see today.<
We, of course, have extensively discussed a "tidally-locked Mars" -- in our own "Mars Tidal Model": http://www.enterprisemission.com/tides.htm
WHAT Mars was tidally locked TO -- in the Model -- was "Planet V." The object that blew up ... creating the comets/asteroids ... including Tempel 1 ... some 65 million/3 million years ago ....
Now, IF we introduce Hyperdimensional TECHNOLOGY into the equation -- such that our great, great, great ancestors were capable of moving WHOLE PLANETS around the solar system ... then a pairing of Earth/Mars becomes a startling possibility ....
We simply do not have sufficient astrophysical information at this point to make that decision, notwithstanding the awesome fact of the very existence of a PHYSICS which would permit such a "god-like" technology ....
Which is why I'd kinda like to SEE the libraries buried in the Moon, or at Cydonia .... :)
Guys,
Reflecting on the conversations above, it would be well to further study the patterns of day lengths of other planets in the solar system. The chart at the address below provides that information and if you study the groupings of rotation rate, you will see that the orbital pairings of planets with mutual tidal locking could have been as follows:
Earth - Mars (approx. 24 hrs)
Jupiter-Saturn (approx. 10 days)
Uranus-Neptune (approx. 15.6-15.7 hrs)
The rotation periods for Mercury, Venus and Pluto do not seem to match up with anything.
It seems that at one time the solar system may have been a VERY interesting place !
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/space/planets/planorbi.html
"Now, IF we introduce Hyperdimensional TECHNOLOGY into the equation -- such that our great, great, great ancestors were capable of moving WHOLE PLANETS around the solar system ... then a pairing of Earth/Mars becomes a startling possibility ...."
And talking of our anscestors, in case any one is in doubt about the use of the term Technology linked with a superbeing or God, his angels were...
...guarding the entrance to EDEN with FLAMING SWORDS
...I seem to remember Star wars characters having LIGHT SABERS...
Where religion has failed and is failing is by keeping the masses in subjucation to a financial mind controlling organisation...
Case point...
Jesus, did not wear any religious symbology other than being born a Jew, and of course he would be missing a vital piece of skin...
But...
He did say, love God more than anything else and love your neighbour...
Pretty simple rules...
Have we let God down?
Where are the temple 1 pictures NASA?
Why is the planet using up our last natural versatile resource OIL?
Where do we go to get more Mr President?
What is keeping all the techtonic plates apart (like an engine) and smoothly greased?
OIL
So why are there getting to be more earthquakes?
Is it like an engine, that's being drained of it's lubricating fluid?
Why is that natural resource there?
Why are we burning it up in our THIN EGGSHELL like atmosphere...
AND WHY ARE WE DEFORESTING THE EARTHS LUNGS?
all just Questions...
but Richard again, thank you, it only confirms what my research is suggesting to be true,
the return of the Big FIVE
http://jasgrave333.blogspot.com
I want my light saber back >:)
J aka 'Brian'
RCH,
According to your blog, Wayne Hale is a GOOD guy, right? (I guess he must be if he was a working engineer.) My question is, where are the BAD guys located within NASA, pecking order-wise? Are they necessarily ALL above him or could some of the little "elves" of the CABAL be working UNDER him as well? After all, somebody needs to do the dirty work to ensure the demise of the program, don't they?
If so, Wayne may later decide to fire some asses. It would then be interesting to see who in the management ABOVE him starts screaming !
TM333, right on!!!
"If so, Wayne may later decide to fire some asses. It would then be interesting to see who in the management ABOVE him starts screaming !"
In a minor way, this is happening at the UNITED NATIONS at the moment over the OIL For Food scandal (1991 - 2001).
There are figures being sacked and resigning quietly all over place all linked to the OFF scandal...
The last one in the chain and is probably head of the link...
Kofi Annan...
His son being linked to the scandal in the nefarious and disingenios organisation...
These are interesting times...
Yep I'm watching NASA to see who falls over this...
Hoping the GOOD guys win...
Come on good techies, fight the Political capatalist BS!!!
I've made it through...
to where you ask?
I live in a tropical island, in an apartment overlooking the Carribean ocean... sigh, it's sunny and warm today and the grass is growing nicely...
Yep living in paradise, as an engineer working on computers...
Diving everyday, windsurfing when it's windy, drinking with all da people round the place every night...
yep... And most people work all their lives for this...
at 34 it's not bad ;)
J aka 'Brian'
Richard, Pif, Iontru2,
Perhaps we should give a thought to the ways and means of establishing a library for those who may come along long after our civilization vanishes...assuming that as a quite possible scenario.
What "Rosetta Stone" would we leave?
What "creation myths" would make the cut?
How would they have any idea what they were looking at?
etc, etc, etc.
Considering your history and accomplishments, Richard, this would be quite a legacy to leave behind! :)
>>PIF said...
>>think you and I are on two different approaches - you seem to prefer elegant design, I on the other hand prefer practical
>>We need something to compete with that and the French Aridana.
Yea, I would say I'm not thinking practical, and I you're right the X33 may not be the way to go. However I do prefer some type of elegant design. I think NASA should be about exploration and stand as symbol of American engineering. I think NASA should not have to compete with anyone. They should be funded by tax dollars, I don't think NASA should go for something cheap and easy. I fill they should go through the same steps and challenges they we through to build the Saturn 5 and the Shuttles. If man kind ever wants to see the day where the real Star Ship Enterprise is in deep space we need to work at it. The safesimplesoon is a rocket with a capsule like the Saturn 5, a step back not a step forward. NASA needs to move forward and sorry to say it does cost money to do that. I don't know of any other nation that has built something as awesome as the shuttle. NASA is the leader and needs to be an example for all other nations, and Cheap simple soon is not the message I want NASA to send to the world. NASA message should be "BEHOLD AT MAN'S ACCOMPLISHMENT", but again that just not practical.
"BEHOLD AT MAN'S ACCOMPLISHMENT"
That's what got those Tower of Babel folks in deep doo-doo!! lol!
Tim Brooks, Hello
You make a good point.Good engineering also includes advancing design. I like the term "form and function" it seems balanced. When we look at aviation examples such as the A117 Stealth, one sees a great example of fine design married with the practical motivations in it. Previously I referred to the Canadian MOST satelite as a state of the art product doing good work up there having cost just $7 million which is mere peanuts in the NASA scheme of projects and results. I think there is plenty of money in the American equation for advanced and "elegant" design, its just being consumed by excess spending and perhaps a dilution of focus, fragmenting the potential of their funding. I do like the name and concept "cheapsimplesoon" but I wonder, can we do better? All this computational power of computers and fibre optical systems and robotic advancements we are seeing . Some of those technologies are pretty well established at ordinary societal industrial levels, why not a better inclusion in our space technology? It saddens me to see us failing because of O rings and foam pieces and worrying about ice and birds etc. Are we that mechanically limited, still?
Just announced - No fourth spacewalk to repair the thermal blanket.
Hmm, either they fixed whatever it is that is really wrong with the shuttle, or they determined that whatever it is can't be fixed.
Templemaster333,
I only mentioned the book as an additional reference from decades ago. As far as Richard's stuff, I've read most of it starting before TEM existed. I'm well aware of the HD models, TVF thesises etc, I was mearly trying to say getting locked into one model may be a mistake. Then there is David Talbot's (et al) Electric Universe theory (www.thunderbolts.info) which may or may not compliment the previous ones. (Lot of interesting science articles there too).
unipax
RCH wrote:
>Last turn around the "ship" before I turn in .... :)
Haven't been able to figure that out yet: why it gets "quiet" at this time every night ....
We're literally world-wide ... but, the stats show a definite ~12-hour cycle, primarily aimed at North America ....
Another of Life's (or, at least the Internet's) "little mysteries."
Later. :)<
I'm thinking: who & where are most of the people that are on-line. And of all the world's on-line people, who & where are the bulk of those that are paying attention or even have a clue about this stuff (yet). North America.
And at that hour, they're all swingin in their hammocks. Could that be why the decks are hushed during the Skipper's last turn around the ship? :>)
aloha, c
And which God might that be, Mr. Camarda?
unipax
viola rivinia (now there's a handle!)
viola said:
>Malapropos as it may be of the discussion at hand, I'm going to take this opportunity to ask Richard a question that's been niggling at the back of my mind for (at least a few) years.
Rumor circulated back in the late 90's or early 00's that you (Richard C. Hoagland) were invited by none other than the Egyptian under-secretary of state for the Giza monuments, Zahi Hawass, to examine the interior of the Great Pyramid after having intimated in one of your C2C appearances and/or on TEM that a secret tunnel was being excavated from above the King's Chamber to whatever was on the opposite side of Gantenbrink's door, but that you declined the offer for unspecified reasons.
Is it true that Zahi the Magnificent Boob really made you this offer? If so, why O why did you turn it down?
Just out of curiosity. <
and here's unipax, thinking:
hhmmm .... Years ago somebody (RCH?) reported that Zahi Hawass resided with a connected household while he was a student in Washington DC.
For a glimpse of the mind of Zahi in action, see John Anthony West's video: The Mystery of The Sphinx:
www.jawest.net/books_vids.htm
aloha, c
Just saw a pic of a solar car race on MSN. I'm tired of solar cars that look like SR-71s with cockpits that only a midget can fit into. These designs are strictly for media hype and are designed to keep this technology in what the NWO designates as it's proper place to be - FANTASYLAND. If somebody built a REAL solar car and tried to enter it, they would probably be censored and then arrested by homeland security.
jasgrave333 said...
"What is keeping all the techtonic plates apart (like an engine) and smoothly greased?"
Something you might want to check out is the "expanding earth" hypothesis.
Basically, some people have determined that if the Earth were ~40% smaller, the continents would perfectly interlock together like puzzle pieces, resulting in a global landmass and no oceans. Recent discoveries have confirmed that the Earth's diameter is in fact increasing each year (approx 20-25mm IIRC), which is perfectly inline with the EE hypothesis' theoretical expansion rate. They also claim that no direct evidence of subduction (a plate diving underneath another one) has ever been found.
Here's a website about it:
http://www.expanding-earth.org/
Wilcock's 'Divine Cosmos' also discusses it in the context of his aetheric model:
http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/05.htm (section 5.4, GLOBAL EXPANSION TECTONICS)
Having taken Plate Tectonics in Geology many years ago(I'll admit), I'm not quite with you on that reference to no direct evidence of subduction. Are you saying the text books are wrong and suggesting that only abduction is occurring?
I'll certainly visit your links to catch up.
the old man from scene 24 said...
Just announced - No fourth spacewalk to repair the thermal blanket.Hmm, either they fixed whatever it is that is really wrong with the shuttle, or they determined that whatever it is can't be fixed.
This is not about fixing/repairing..It is a space soap opera being conducted at the expense of innocent astronauts, the kind congress and the naive citizens. What a world we live in!!
Reminds me of a well known song by the band STYX.
Opens with; "Welcome to the Grand Illusion!"
>>Is he (Sen. Joe Biden) one of the good guys? Should I send him this blog?<<
>Definitely yes ... on BOTH counts. I'd LOVE to see him run. We'd finally get some REAL discussion of the crucial ISSUES confronting ALL of us. Make a helluva campaign.<
Biden takes public transportation, and did you see him during the Bolton hearings? This guy doesn't "play ball". He might be the real deal.
Brian
Re : Expanding Earth Hypothesis
The ancient maps used by Columbus to pitch his voyage to the monarchs of Europe show a smaller Earth.
This would-be historical mystery is explained away because Columbus' (calculated) distance to Cathay was about equal to the (real) distance to South America.
The issue was never the SHAPE of the Earth, but the SIZE. The entire feasability was based on Columbus' estimate of 3,000 miles, when in fact it is 11,500 miles to Cathay.
~In 1892, Washington Irving claimed Columbus was impeded by 'thick headed flat earthers' and I always sensed 'thick head' was, in some way, a metaphoric way of saying "ancient map" because Columbus' map was last seen at the 1892 World's Fair in Chicago. Rand Flem Ath told me last year that he knows where Columbus' map is, but that could be myth-making.
If any of the crew (lower class) thought the Earth was flat and they were going to fall off, it's because the Church planted that delusion.
Biden has a split personality. One minute he is all fire and brimstone, and the next minute saying he's Bush's cabana boy. He supported that horrible bankruptcy bill for the poor, mistreated, cash-strapped credit card companies. When he had the chance to ask Condi Rice (during her confirmation hearing) why she lied to the 9/11 Commission, instead he asked her if she'd ever heard of some high school football team from Delaware.
Just larfed a lot...
The weather channel were reporting regarding the recent more than needed occurence of hurricanes...
They showed the story of a couple getting married and followed the story of them being dogged at every part of the wedding/honeymoon/reception days. There was a hurricane somewhere!
THEN!!!
they showed the Washinton Memorial at 555' feet (must have gone onto talking about rain etc) and that a certain dam needed more water!
Then they showed the hight of the dam and the Washington Monument side by side.
Darn nearly fell of my chair:
555' Washington Monument
726' Hoover dam or something...
Is someone at the WEATHER CHANNEL following RCH's threads :))
love that, yep if anyone's following from the Weather channel, guys you are doing a great job...
Yep the weather is freaking out, it's gonna get worse...
And...
Thank you for sending out that reminder to the NATION 555 :)
J aka 'Happy Brian'
Real interesting stuff again Brian
c, "brian c said...
jasgrave333 said...
"What is keeping all the techtonic plates apart (like an engine) and smoothly greased?"
Something you might want to check out is the "expanding earth" hypothesis."
I've had some theories about where God could actually be, errrm for want of a better expression, 'be'!
What if (God has an amazing sense of humour, as I'm getting to see) is actually at the core of the earth?
Just a distant deep hypothesis, based on ATOMIC structure, where the blank line, i.e. the point you cant get any smaller...
...doesn't seem to exist in physics, as quantum physicists are constantly proving...
...that there are smaller things in those small things...
Look below, it actually might not be a surprise... :))
anyway, going to check out the wind that's building on the huge waves coming in today...
Might be an evening of windsurfing...
that's if the darn sharks aren't hungry...
hmmm thinks, if one get's me I'll take a piece back...
...taking knife and fork too :))
J aka 'Brian'
Joe Biden belongs in NYC garment district running a nondescript rundown clothing store. He's a party hack. And like most of the others - an opportunist. He stands for nothing and has no core values. Pin your wagon to him at your own peril.
Columbus' map - well maps far older (potilios) have the Earth at the correct size. And they have a cooridinate (navigation) system, unlike Columbus' making them far more valuable and at the time expensive. Some even show India - where he was trying to go on the screwed up map he bought from some shyster in a back alley. And acurate navigation - from point to point- was always the most guarded secret in those times. Portugese Prince Henry the Navigator (1394-1460) imposed a death sentence for anyone revealing anything on those maps. Vasco de Gama (also Portugese and better connected) had better maps and opened the trade routes to India in 1497.
In the history of navigation, Columbus is almost irrelavant, except for his accidental discovery of the Carribean Islands.
Attention Thunderbolts.info and Electric Universe fans!
This just in from "Wired News" (See address at bottom for full story!)
"Dissident scientists advocating a controversial theory of the universe are having a field day in the wake of NASA's Deep Impact comet collision earlier this month.
Scientists promoting the Electric Universe model say their predictions for the comet mission appear to have been more accurate than NASA's"
Full story at :
http://www.wired.com/news/space/0%2C2697%2C68258%2C00.html?tw=wn_tophead_4
Richard C. Hoagland said:
"I intend to take him up on the offer in person ... and probably reasonably soon (after I clear my desk of a LOT of other things!). So ...
Stay tuned. :)"
Aha, so then we should await further developments in this regard. I thought the trip was un canard mort.
Staying tuned won't be difficult; we're still 2-3 months out, and I'm already chafing to see what's behind the second and third `doors'. :)
Thanks for your response, `Captain'. :)
PIF said
Columbus' map - well maps far older (potilios) have the Earth at the correct size. And they have a cooridinate (navigation) system, unlike Columbus' making them far more valuable and at the time expensive. .....accurate navigation - from point to point- was always the most guarded secret in those times .... In the history of navigation, Columbus is almost irrelavant, except for his accidental discovery of the Carribean Islands.
Yes, Columbus is a follower of paper revelation who made a successful sales pitch. He's not a famous navigator.
If, by 'potilio', you mean portolani, those maps are regional or local. Columbus had mappamundi, the world-map version. Columbus' map was four foot square.
Anonymous said...
>has anyone seen the nasa smoking gun video yet?<
I have. It is NOT a "smoking gun." period.
What is being seen are OUT OF FOCUS ice and hydrazine particles from the Shuttle's engines and waste water dumps. The proof is the little black circles in the middle of the "objects": this is simply the out-of-focus mirror/lens of the catadioptric optical system used on all the TV cameras on the Shuttles!!!
There is NOTHING there ... as opposed to the REALLY remarkable objects seen and recorded on STS-48 and STS-80.
My feeling -- in line with Crypto's analysis of the Dames situation -- is that this video was released out of sheer ignornace ... or (more likely) as deliberate "noise" ... to confuse REAL physicists, astronomers and the like, who might take a professional SCIENTIFIC interest in the REAL anomalies seen and recorded over the course of many other Shuttle Missions ....
Again ... "hiding the crucial information in plain sight, covered by disinformation ...."
Nothing is as it seems, beware the dangerous paths you are walking. The new Pharaoh's plans are coming to fruition. The unblinking eye at the center of all misses nothing, and makes no mistakes.
Mr kuttner said...
>You were right again... It has already started...read
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8817956/<
It has begun.
They don't call these media outlets "opinion MAKERS" for nothing .... Read this, from The New York Times of only a couple days ago ....
* * * * * * * * * *
>NASA's Leader, a Man of Logic, Faces Decisions Enmeshed in Another Realm: Politics
>By DAVID E. SANGER
>Published: August 1, 2005
>Michael D. Griffin, a man with six advanced degrees, a passion for flying and the demeanor of a precise engineer with no tolerance for statements not backed up by a mountain of empirical fact, said a few weeks ago that since he took over as NASA administrator he had yet to face any hard decisions.
>Michael D. Griffin, the NASA administrator, is known for being direct. "I don't do feelings," he said last month. "Just think of me as Spock."
>With so much riding on the Discovery launching, critical changes have been made to the shuttle.
>"I meant it," Dr. Griffin said on Friday when asked how he squared that statement with the long list of judgments - one of which he now terms a clear mistake - made as the National Aeronautics and Space Administration weighed the risks of relaunching the space shuttle more than two years after the Columbia disaster.
>"Everything we've had to do has been clear from my perspective," he went on. His decisions "have been very straightforward."
>But now, only three and a half months into the job, the days of clarity are clearly over. Though they have avoided discussing it in these terms, Dr. Griffin and the Bush White House that installed him are headed to a decision that can hardly be called easy: whether to invest millions more in new fixes to an accident-prone fleet of vehicles scheduled for permanent retirement in 2010, OR TO PUT THE SPACE SHUTTLES INTO MOTHBALLS AHEAD OF SCHEDULE [emphasis added] ....<
* * * * * * * * * *
This, of course, is the beginning of a long-term, at first subtle (just raising questions ...) but increasing drumbeat re the "value" of continuing the Shuttle Program--
PRECISELY as I predicted, based on our "inside NASA source."
There will be more ....
crypto0,
Yes I mean portolano - don't know where the other word came from - in any case the size of the map does not matter, it's the information on it which is important. A big piece of junk is no better than a small one. As far as mappamundis go - if Columbus used one of those, it only proves my point. They are more like placemat maps than actual navigational charts - most of the detail is wrong and misleading. Vaco deGama used the best and most secret Portugese maps - which probably included Ptolemaic-like Reinal map as well as the Cantino world map (I'm not sure what catagory the map falls in but it was not a mappamundus). And no I don't know the physical size of either. As a postscript all the best Portugese maps were in the Lisbon Library in 1775 when an earthquake and resulting tsunami from the Cannary Islands destroyed Lisbon.
Richard,
Maybe they're going about this foam thing the wrong way. Since they're stuck with this configuration for a little while longer, maybe they should stop trying to keep the foam from coming off the tank during launch, and instead switch to a foam that will DEFINITELY come off - but in pieces so small that they can't do any damage. Maybe some sort of lightweight flocking material.
After all, most of the need for insulation is on the ground - it will only take a few minutes to empty the tank in flight, so it seems the need for insulation is reduced shortly after launch. Besides, the weight savings might allow for more payload. Just a thought...
Scott Beasley
Richard,
Your "prediction" from your "source" came out after there was NASA announcement that remaining shuttles will be grounded as recorded in this blog. Before that you were bloging about Deep Impact and other things.
This is more in line with Dr.Doom's "predictions" of his "remote viewing".
-AM
IonTruO2 said...
"Having taken Plate Tectonics in Geology many years ago(I'll admit), I'm not quite with you on that reference to no direct evidence of subduction. Are you saying the text books are wrong and suggesting that only abduction is occurring?"
I'm not saying either theory is wrong or right... just sharing an alternate hypothesis. It's not something I've read a tremendous amount about, perhaps someone here can find a good reason to discard it.
However, a couple points to ponder:
- Pretty much all of the evidence cited which supports continental drift, such as similar coastlines, matching geological features and fossils on distant continents, the creation of undersea ridges, etc, ALSO supports the expanding earth hypothesis. For example, here is a page offering evidence of continental drift. I see evidence presented which suggests the continents were once in contact, and I see evidence which supports the SPREADING of the crust. In short, everything there seems to support continental drift AND expanding earth equally. Pretty much the only thing that would support continental drift and negate expanding earth, IS subduction.
- It seems that THE major reason that continental drift theory is favoured over expanding earth theory, is the simple fact that modern science has no conventional explanation for how the Earth could expand. (Reference) From that description, it sounds like Hess essentially 'invented' subduction theory, precisely to explain how new material could be spreading, on an Earth which is assumed to not change size. So... saying that subduction disproves expanding earth is the very definition of circular reasoning, in the absence of real data to support it.
Here are two pages from expanding-earth.org which critique subduction theory in great technical detail:
SUBDUCTION’S FATAL FLAW
SUBDUCTION'S PROBLEMS
I would be remiss if I did not point out there are numerous sites which DO support subduction, such as this one, which gives a specific example of the Nazca plate subducting under the South American plate to create the Andes.
I am not a geologist though, so perhaps someone here is better equipped to add or subtract weight to these claims.
AM said...
'Your "prediction" from your "source" came out after there was NASA announcement that remaining shuttles will be grounded as recorded in this blog.'
I think a distinction can be made between 'grounding the fleet' (as was indeed announced immediately), and discontinuing the shuttle program indefinitely.
Mr. Hoagland, this is brilliant. I think your new BLOG (and its public commentary) is the most important thing on the internet right now.
Noticing stuff that would otherwise go unnoticed.
Trying to understand what is noticed instead of ignoring the plight of not understanding.
Applying logic and reason in a world where logic and reason are becoming extinct.
Asking questions.
An exercise in NOT having your head up your arse.
My two cents…
I read an off-topic comment (or two) about the Air France jet plane crash in Toronto two days ago. I'm in Toronto. I got to see that debacle up close. Speaking of noticing things that go unnoticed… the day after the crash, news stations released aerial footage of the crash site…
odd thing/weird thing/thing that doesn't make sense/thing that no one seems to have noticed: The remains of the airplane lay there awaiting forensics… the tail section, the cockpit section, the wings and the jet engines are intact. However the body of the plane (the passenger section) has been completely destroyed by fire.
Question: If the fuel tanks are in the wings (which they are), and if the passenger section has been engineered with flame-proof materials (which it has) then why did the non-flammable part of the plane burn violently and entirely while the actual volatile part of the plane (the fuel and engines) go unscorched? What's up with that?
And now to be ON topic… to space, the final frontier. This whole Discovery thing stinks so bad that I can smell it all the way down here.
A part of a thermal blanket has somehow found its way hanging outside the shuttle? WHAT???? No talk about how this happened… no talk about how this COULD have happened, it's just suddenly there.
How utterly convenient.
What does a blanket do? It covers up. It IS a cover up. Is there tortured symbolism here? And it's a thermal blanket at that… a cover up that keeps the heat off.
Why would they have to go outside (spacewalk) to retrieve or cut off the offending part of the blanket? Couldn't they just grab it and pull it back in from the inside where it presumable originated from and where the bulk of it resides? Is there a hole in the skin of the shuttle that allowed this part of the blanket to "leak out?"
What the hell is going on?
I saw the symphony of blinking astronauts. It's not Morse Code. Clearly they are freaked out/stressed out/somewhat afraid and signaling with their eyelids that something is fearfully amiss.
What's up with the "our God" statement? Whose God… NASA's God?
Isis/Osiris/Horus?
Original shuttle names: A COLUMBIAn ENTERPRISE to ENDEAVOR for the DISCOVERY of ATLANTIS. And what about CHALLENGER? Well, history tells us what happens to CHALLENGERs of the ENDEAVOR.
If the worst should happen to DISCOVERY on its way home (knock on wood) it might be a sick signal from the creeps at NASA that the process of DISCOVERY in space is over… at least for us little people. And if they believe (or have decided) that the process of discovery in space is over for us (the little people) then that might explain the lack of data coming in (to us, the little people) from Mars, Iapetus, Tempel… etc.
No more discovery for us… just canned, false, non-sensical theatre.
"All the world's a play."
"The play's the thing."
Shakespear/Bacon
Cheers Mr.Hoagland… keep up the vital work.
Richard C. Hoagland said...
>has anyone seen the nasa smoking gun video yet?<
I have. It is NOT a "smoking gun." period.
I saw this recently and came to much the same conclusion about the STS-75 space tether mission... the shapes are too identical in terms of the "notch" orientations to be independant craft, and I didn't see any evidence of anything changing direction, so it looks like dust/camera artifacts, brightly illuminated by the sharp angle of the sunrise.
What I found far more interesting however, were a few other scenes... like the one with the astronaut out on the robotic arm, and we hear dialog such as "It's off to your 10 or 11 o'clock, it's moving away, don't worry about it". Or where they are discussing some flashes of light, and say things like "What is that? I thought it was my imagination." "No, I saw it too", etc. The Russian cosmonaut's testimony was also intriguing.
But yeah, hard to point at one particular thing in that and declare "PROOF!"
PIF said...
>IonTruO2,
>
Thanks! I do have my good points! There are some other ideas like that floating around in here (my head). While not making any claims about this idea, I think Richard and TVF's exploding planet theory may be very valid, just not the way they think. Rather the time scale is so huge that as TVF postulates there may have been an event(s) prior to Planet X, but from the remains we see today, multipule events may seem like only one or two. And that Richard may have to add a few dozen greats to the great ancestor idea. And if there really were multiple events prior to X, then why not multiple civilizations? Perhaps each as much in the dark about their ancestors, at some early point, as we are about them? Personally, while the RCH/TVF theory streaches back some 60 mya, in may in fact go back over 439 mya and beyond into the billions of years.<
Tom and I have discussed this and, at least about "previous exploding planets," we agree with you; in fact, we discussed THIS as the reason for the Kuiper Belt's existence just the other night, on "Coast." And, I'll be amplifying those remarks on Sunday, the 7th, on another "Coast" program, re the two "new planets" (and one more moon) just announced ....
As to MULTIPLE civilizations ... I also agree with you (I'm not sure where Tom stands on this).
The crucial caveot I would make is that ALL those civilizations -- once they got access to Space -- inevitably would discover the "previous archives" (the "libraries") stored elsewhere in Space!
In fact, if they were smart, they also created their OWN archives ... so as to let future civilizations know they once existed ... and what they had discovered about existence itself!!!
My major bone to pick with NASA is that it is more than likely by now that they have ALSo discovered precisely such an archive -- or maybe more than one.
And ... (see Crpto's highly relevant remarkse -- above) they have kept that crucial knowledge to THEMSELVES!!
RCH wrote...
(There is NOTHING there ... as opposed to the REALLY remarkable objects seen and recorded on STS-48 and STS-80.)
Hey is that the one that looks like shots where fired at a UFO? I bet we used a railgun. It is the only thing I can thing of that could move a projectile that fast. Wow, I wonder what type of weapons we are hidden.
Brian C worte...
(What I found far more interesting however, were a few other scenes... like the one with the astronaut out on the robotic arm, and we hear dialog such as "It's off to your 10 or 11 o'clock, it's moving away, don't worry about it". Or where they are discussing some flashes of light, and say things like "What is that? I thought it was my imagination." "No, I saw it too", etc. The Russian cosmonaut's testimony was also intriguing.)
Where is that video?
"A COLUMBIAn ENTERPRISE to ENDEAVOR for the DISCOVERY of ATLANTIS. And what about CHALLENGER? Well, history tells us what happens to CHALLENGERs of the ENDEAVOR."
I'm not sure that `Columbia' belongs in the aggregate syntactic structure above. (For that matter, though, maybe neither does `Enterprise').
I think you need to look into the etymology of `Columbia'.
The old man from scene 24 said...
>"Tragically, two years ago, we came to realize we had let our God down. We became lost in our hubris and learned once more the terrible price that must be paid for our failures," said mission specialist Charles Camarda.
>We let our GOD down?
>WTF??????????<
Ah ... this is why not everyone who goes to journalism school should get a job .... :)
I taped Camarda's comments this morning. He said "Tragically, two years ago, we came to realize we had let our GUARD down [emphasis added] .... :)
He simply was saying that NASA "got complacent" ... which led to the Columbia disaster.
The Wired guy (now, there's an image ...) should just stop smoking whatever he is smoking, especially before he writes an important piece .... :)
Richard,
Good. I wasn't sure what the latest was on multiple exploding planets, nor what anyone thought about multiple civilizations. Thanks. But I was more trying to caution everyone else to not lock in on just one theory. It seemed to me that some people were, but that may be only my perception of what they wrote.
This whole idea of some sort of knowledge repository existing is new to me. Newer still the thought that some secret group has gone and found them. Wonder if they are able to make anything of what they found or even if they know what it real is? I'd love a peak! Do I hear a chorus of agreement?
I think the original was on Reuters - Wired just repeated it. Which makes their journalism skills look even moe shabby.
Templemaster333 said...
>According to your blog, Wayne Hale is a GOOD guy, right? (I guess he must be if he was a working engineer.) My question is, where are the BAD guys located within NASA, pecking order-wise? Are they necessarily ALL above him or could some of the little "elves" of the CABAL be working UNDER him as well? After all, somebody needs to do the dirty work to ensure the demise of the program, don't they?
If so, Wayne may later decide to fire some asses. It would then be interesting to see who in the management ABOVE him starts screaming.<
In this "hall of mirrors" it's VERY hard to tell. I'm sure HE knows ... and that's who his "musical memo" was directed toward. From the outside, I wouldn't have a clue ....
Fortunately, I don't need to: they've all been put on notice that we KNOW the game ... and are keeping score.
And then Hale -- remarkably -- echoed that ... in spades!
Cross your fingers that the "message" has been heard ....
Richard:
Your blog's fantastic. Honestly, I thought we where going to have mubblings of a madman (hehe :-) ), but you have really come through with highly informitive (with checkable facts) news bits.
I'd love to have access to some of the images you get - im sure they come into hi-res versions - all we need is a link. ?
Richard, I'm also chomping at the bit to have part seven of what I call "the moon chronical". Soon you say? C'mon! :-)
Sword
Wow! So little time, so much to read. The best I can see RCH turns out to be right, accurate, and effective. No points though,you get them for being brilliant. Hard to be brilliant when the topic of the day is more political than theroritical. Well suppose Pres. Bush, having to put up with little interest in his social security plan, slipping in his support for IRAQ, and needing a clear positive issue to make some kind of legacy, appoints a new head of nasa(he hasn't been in his office long enough to fire anyone yet)because he wants to be known as "the president that cleaned up nasa and got them on the right track". Lets face it, few average people are going to complain if a few programs they don't understand are cut out completely to make room in the nasa budget for millions to patch the "only space shuttle we have". I think big suprises are on the horizon.
On a lighter note, for those kibbitzing about the continents. Gen 10:25 Peleg could help a lot if he was still around.
Whilst on the beach 'thinking' about the 726 feet on the hoover dam from the Weather Channel...
seemed to me coincidental with the...
...actual date of the launch...
July 26th 2005
07/26/2005 726
0726 oh 2+5 = 7
7267 also 2 6's 66
7766
hmmm
thinking...
J aka 'Brian'
unipax
>Monty said...
Mr. Hoagland, this is brilliant. I think your new BLOG (and its public commentary) is the most important thing on the internet right now.<
Due to the IMPLICATIONS of the BIG STORY behind this story, this project and research is THE single MOST important and KEY INVESTIGATION and reporting, EVER, period.
This investigation holds the key which unlocks the door to the transformation of our planet and her people. With its success, the dark heavy lid will begin lifting off of global consciousness. Not to mention the weather will improve too. No joke.
Of course that's just my humble little opinion.
I feel that anyone who follows the threads will come to the same realization. To some, it is at first mind-boggling to accept the reality of a centuries old trail of intr-related inter-generational corruption. It will all begin to rapidly unravel like dominos falling when justice is delivered to NASA, because all our big issues are linked via the linked offices of those few that are pulling the strings. NASA shenanigans just happen to be the current and the biggest. Shining our lights upon the CENTER of the dark web will quickly spread light to all of its tentacles and other offices.
aloha, c
ps: Interested? Please begin here:
www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
reading above about the NASA UFO viedos
I wonder why there is not some kind of disclosure. I mean I know most people would freak out, but the longer they prolong it I think the more pissed off people are going to be for being lied to. I know there would be problems and break downs of people, but one day it is going to happen anyway. Just get it over with. Once some time has passed people will go back to there day to day life. Then the gov. can start bring some tech out in the open. You can do so much more once the tech is known about, I mean you don have to tell the world how the man made UFO's works, just knowing this tech exist will scare the crap out some nations that have problems with us. If it is a fear for a loss of control that keep a disclosure for happen. Like I said it going to come out one day anyway. For the most part other then the few abductiees they seem not to mess with the average person and they have not made us slaves yet. I think people would be able to cope after time. Once in the open we could work on ways to stop it, draw our line in the dirt so to speak. What would really change in you life it the gov. said ...
“OK, there are aliens. We don’t why there they are here, but we have retrieved a crash craft and have back engineer some of there tech. We do know like here on Earth there some good and some bad aliens out there, but for the most part we have been left alone. We are hoping here shortly to have the tech to make take our place up in the stars.”
If that was said by the gov. how would that change your life? I don’t think people would live in fear. I bet a lot of people would would be inspired. How many of us watch StarTek and didn’t want to be on the Enterprise?
jesgrave, in your list of greek words for love you missed philanthropia, God's love of mankind.
AM said...
>Your "prediction" from your "source" came out after there was NASA announcement that remaining shuttles will be grounded as recorded in this blog. Before that you were bloging about Deep Impact and other things.
>This is more in line with Dr.Doom's "predictions" of his "remote viewing".<
You're confusing two COMPLETELY separate items:
The "short-term" grounding ... a few months ... six months ... of the remaining Shuttle Fleet, to fix the STS-114 "PAL Ramp foam problem" (and the 22 OTHER items on Wayne Hale's list this morning, of immediate "anomalies") which MUST be fixed before the Shuttles fly again ....
Versus--
The PERMANENT abandonment -- in a year or so -- of the entire Shuttle Program ... LONG BEFORE THE NOW-PLANNED "RETIREMENT" DATE OF 2010!!
This later drastic acceleration pf the "retirement" phase is what he (and I) have been focusing on, NOT the current (supposedly temporary) short-term suspension of flights, until the anomalies are "fixed" ....
A Little more care in reading, perhaps .... :)
On checkable facts and other links,
Guys/gals it's my thought that if you are going to reference something from accepted science, use a link to an accredited site dealing with that science. Links to someone selling a book or in the case of historyoftheworld their entire site, lowers the credibility of your arguement. Geology links would lead to some .edu site, for instance.
As for the one landmass: that's been the theory for a long time, and widely accepted. I think the subduction theory was proven long ago by seabed drilling, and siesmic studies.
see: www.ruf.rice.edu/~leeman/billarcmaps.html, http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/plate_tectonics/part10.html among others for intro on the theory.
>The PERMANENT abandonment -- in a year or so -- of the entire Shuttle Program<
Ok. Richard, does this mean PERMANENT abandonment of manned space flight in the US or just the PERMANENT abandonment of the shuttle only?
Does your source believe, if the later case, the US will proceed to a new vehicle or is that also smoke?
unipax
this is really good coffee !
:-)
"wayne5 said...
jesgrave, in your list of greek words for love you missed philanthropia, God's love of mankind.
4/8/05 5:50 PM"
1. Agape 'love with want of no return
2. philanthropia 'Gods love of people'
3. Phillia 'love of friends'
4. Storge 'love of family'
5. Eros 'sex etc'
could be the FIFTH one then...
I like that...
as a JW I was taught about the four...
Anyone care to jump in?
J aka 'Brian'
jesgrave - list on "Armageddon December..." about half way down.
unipax
jas; thats nice greek info, thanx.
aloha, c
Jasgrave333,
Congrats on your new martriage. Beautiful wife and picture.
God Bless,
Telliano
Monty said...
> ... A part of a thermal blanket has somehow found its way hanging outside the shuttle? WHAT???? No talk about how this happened… no talk about how this COULD have happened, it's just suddenly there.
How utterly convenient.
>What does a blanket do? It covers up. It IS a cover up. Is there tortured symbolism here? And it's a thermal blanket at that… a cover up that keeps the heat off ...<
This is NOT a real mystery (thank God!!):
The Shuttle is actually made of aluminum. It has an aluminum "skin," just like a DC-9 or 747. So, to withstand the heat of reentry, different sections of that surface HAVE to be covered with different levels of thermal protection. Some parts need the thick, highly-heat-resistant tiles. Others, such as the cabin, the top and sides of the Shuttle, etc., only need a few layers of special ceramic-impregnated cloth (!) -- termed "a thermal blanket."
These are bonded (with glue!) to the actual aluminum surface of the spacecraft. And, a small such "blanket," under the Commander's window, came loose on the way into orbit. The theory is that -- again! -- something came off the Tank ... and hit it!!!
Tests, both in wind tunnels on the ground and in computer models of the expected airflow on reentry, have convinced NASA that it will be NO problem on the way home ... so they're NOT going outside to "fix" it (read: "cut it off").
>Why would they have to go outside (spacewalk) to retrieve or cut off the offending part of the blanket? Couldn't they just grab it and pull it back in from the inside where it presumable originated from and where the bulk of it resides? Is there a hole in the skin of the shuttle that allowed this part of the blanket to "leak out?"<
Because, there is no "hole" into the cabin! (If there were, the crew would be dead by now!!!)
The "blanket is totally attached to the OUTSIDE surface of the Shuttle with that special glue, and leaving it in place was the best engineering choice after all .... It's actually quite small and lightweight.
>What the hell is going on? I saw the symphony of blinking astronauts. It's not Morse Code. Clearly they are freaked out/stressed out/somewhat afraid and signaling with their eyelids that something is fearfully amiss.<
Glad you see it too.
I think I've covered possible behind-the-scenes reasons for this in the last couple of "Captain's Blogs." Frankly, since the "Enterprise" music was played up to the crew the other evening, I see a distinct change: they all seem calmer. Now, that may be attributed to the solving of all these niggling problems with the tiles ... or, it may be for other, hidden reasons. I don't know. I only know that their more recent interviews seem a lot calmer ... and happier ... with a LOT less eye blinking .... :)
Stay tuned.
"wayne5 said...
jesgrave - list on "Armageddon December..." about half way down.
4/8/05 6:16 PM
Anonymous said...
unipax
jas; thats nice greek info, thanx.
aloha, c
4/8/05 6:16 PM
Telliano said...
Jasgrave333,
Congrats on your new martriage. Beautiful wife and picture.
God Bless,
Telliano
4/8/05 6:19 PM "
God bless you all...
yep, we are happy, she's whinging now about her belly being rubbed, moan moan, etc :) we in love...
it was pure fortune she and I met, she's a real computer genious too, and pillow talk is errrm boring to the outsider ;)
yep, we sing karaoke, drink, party (lime) moane about British/American accents and basically have fun, living here in the wild 3rd world that is St Christopher here in the Caribbean ooh yeah life is about living :-D
thanx to ya all...
let's get NASA to give us our Tempel 1 pictures
Spirit Lander pictures
Hidden/dark technologies, Anti gravity, static inifinite energy etc...
Let's speak as one voice, Richard has worked relentlessly for years, being decried by so called experts, who have gotten good people killed and lost us any idealism about our future...
...glad so many people are waking up...
countdown is on, the Big FIVE is returning...
button up your raincoats and look for a warmer clime ;)
"...The house of my Father has many abodes..."
;)
J aka 'Brian
Brian C - The Himilayas are caused by the meeting of the Indian subcontinent with the Eurasian continent. If the earth were expanding, the other other explanation for them would be uplift, as with some sort of vulcanism.
Richard, maybe the writer from Wired is in on it? I thought the same thing, obviously the man said guard, so how do you accidentally get from guard (small g) to God (big G)?
PIF said...
>>The PERMANENT abandonment -- in a year or so -- of the entire Shuttle Program<<
>Ok. Richard, does this mean PERMANENT abandonment of manned space flight in the US or just the PERMANENT abandonment of the shuttle only?
>Does your source believe, if the later case, the US will proceed to a new vehicle or is that also smoke?<
On the "smoke" question: is ANY of this really knowable ... until it happens?
There's a LOT of smoke out there .... :)
But, as I understand it from our source (and I actually tend to agree with him): the Shuttle is a deathtrap ... waiting to happen (again!). The Plan is to retire it as soon as possible. And with it, cut our (NASA's) committement to complete the rest of the Station (privately considered also a dead end by this Administration).
The annual monies this would save NASA could then -- IMMEDIATELY! -- be transferred to creating the new vehicle(s) ... which would allow us much SOONER, and safer, access ... and in a large-scale fashion ... to both low-Earth orbit ... and Beyond.
The Shuttle cannot do ANY of this -- which is why the financial pacing of our "return to the Moon ... and on to Mars" is strung out over so many, many years!! For as long as were stuck with supporting technologically and financially an obsolete space system ... the Space Shuttles ... we really can't do much of anything else!!
The use of "Shuttle-derived technology" to create a "heavy-lift" space transport vehicle is a separate question.
This could, in fact, be an essential economic (as well as technological) transition for all those folks working on the CURRENT Shuttle Program. They would then be working on the components and a space vehicle (using the Tank, the Shuttle Main Engines, new avionics, and a newly-designed "cargo-carrier," which would ride ON TOP of the current problem-plagued Tank, that wouldn't care about a Tank which "still shed foam!!") which could REALLY serve the New Vision ... while keeping them employed. :)
The biggest obstacle to all this, of course, is the CURRENT committment to use the CURRENT Shuttle System to continue taking human's and components to and from orbit ... in endless support of the "white-elephant-in-the-sky -- the Station.
It's THAT current "waste of limited NASA resources" which spawned this entire, insidious "hidden Plan": to make ALL the current Shuttles' many flaws SO visible, on LIVE television, that the Public and the Congress will DEMAND abandoning it NOW ... long before 2010.
And that Plan seems to be working (see the recent New York Times Editorial I posted earlier ...).
The "worst case scenario" is/was that "someone else," under the cover of THAT covert NASA Plan, would actually use the Shuttle's many apparent flaws as an excuse to KILL THIS CREW -- to, in effect, then TOTALLY KILL NASA ... and with it, any further CIVILIAN exploration of the solar system!!
That's what we seem to have avoided now ... with Hale's most timely "message" to THOSE guys ....
But, we CAN'T let our guard down ... til they crew's home safely.
the old man from scene 24 said...
>Brian C - The Himilayas are caused by the meeting of the Indian subcontinent with the Eurasian continent. If the earth were expanding, the other other explanation for them would be uplift, as with some sort of vulcanism.
>Richard, maybe the writer from Wired is in on it? I thought the same thing, obviously the man said guard, so how do you accidentally get from guard (small g) to God (big G)?<
Actually, Carmada (on seeing it again ... and again ... and again ... this afternoon on NASA TV) burbled the word. He actually DID seem to say "God" the first time. Cut himself off, then said "guard" ....
So, maybe I was too harsh on the journalist (who actually got the story from the Reuters gal, it turns out ....).
And, that would open up a WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS .... :)
AH, so you HAVENT seen the nasa smoking gun video....
figures, you arent making any money off that video
so hoagy, whats up with the "city" under the sands at cydonia?
unipax
tim brooks :
regarding your questioning how disclosure will affect us;
I have posted (ok, ranted, its the kona coffee) about the implications of disclosure. I would add that it is not only the technological implications, but especially the METAPHYSICAL implications. Richard and others have addressed this. Its a big deal.
Once universally understood, I think that the metaphysical side of it cannot help but transform consciousness, worldwide. Full disclosure cannot happen WITHOUT revealing the metaphysics as metaphysics and HD Physics are inseparable. By the way, I am no expert here. I'm just scratching the surface. Since HD physics comes with disclosure, the cat will be outta the bag.
The cabal(s) know this. They don't want that stuff gettin out! For some suffering may be a pathway to higher consciousness. On the other hand, suffering is one way they keep the dark heavy lid on consciousness. They prefer having worker's, not thinkers. Some people are finding their way to higher consciousness on their own, but for too many the (very) old agenda version of 'keep them down' is a bit of an impediment to blissful & joyous full self expression.
I think that with disclosure, our world and reality will begin to transform in ways we do not yet see.
aloha, c
Richard:
Please disregard my comment above. If I could now erase it, I would.
Explanation/Excuse:
It's been a long day and I am tired. I just got through blogging around the world and was pissed off and tired when I got here. I scanned the photos, did not like the one of Hale, and commented without due consideration. I am only human.
Now that I have read the entire article and scanned the comments, I will add a better comment than my last one.
I believe that Hale is definitely a patsy and realizes that he is being set up to take the fall. For what? This:
The original plan called for the destruction of the Discovery and the death of it's crew. Hopefully, this has now been averted.
The shuttle program should be scrapped immediately if for no other reason than they ARE flying death traps. Yet the program is too costly and the space station is nothing but a white elephant.
We need a 21st century technology space delivery system that can soon link us to the damned MOON.
Wait...I smell something. It smells like D.O.D.! A disaster would certainly put things in the hands of DOD. THEN we would NEVER find out what is really going on.
Say, while I'm at it, do ya'suppose The Space Command has a "spaceship" they are not telling us about?
Please keep'em comin'!
---Dan
First of all, I apologize in advance for posting a small novel for those uninterested in this discussion of plate tectonics/expanding earth theories. Anyone not interested in this should just skip the entire post. I can't believe how much time I've now spent on this complete tangent. :)
PIF said...
"On checkable facts and other links, Guys/gals it's my thought that if you are going to reference something from accepted science, use a link to an accredited site dealing with that science. Links to someone selling a book or in the case of historyoftheworld their entire site, lowers the credibility of your arguement."
I deliberately looked for a quick list of typical, common-knowledge points cited as evidence for plate drift. We're just talking about things here like the fact that the continental coastlines would fit together, and that common flora and fauna have been found. Nothing particularly shattering or controvesial. Given how easy it is to verify these points, I didn't feel the need to hunt down an authoritative source. In other words, I did not feel that it was a point of contention. Do you have any items on that list you would dispute, or things you would add to it?
PIF said...
"I think the subduction theory was proven long ago by seabed drilling, and siesmic studies."
Your opinion is noted. Do you have a link to something resembling proof of that? The links you provided describe the theory. I've read the theory. I've seen the diagram showing the plate diving under another plate. It's always a diagram. Is there a physical confirmation of this occuring, from siesmic studies, drilling, or something else? Whenever I find a site discussing subduction, I don't see any direct evidence. Rather, subduction is taken as a given and used to explain various observations.
In addition to expanding-earth.org, here are some academic papers which may hold greater weight:
Plate Tectonics: A Paradigm Under Threat, David Pratt, (First published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, vol. 14, no. 3, pp. 307-352, 2000)
Expanding Earth?, Bill Mundy (PhD, Prof. of Physics at Pacific Union College)
Here are some excerpts from the first paper...
Regarding the acceptance of the Plate Tectonics model:
'Nitecki et al. (1978) reported that in 1961 only 27% of western geologists accepted plate tectonics, but that during the mid-1960s a "chain reaction" took place and by 1977 it was embraced by as many as 87%. Some proponents of plate tectonics have admitted that a bandwagon atmosphere developed, and that data that did not fit into the model were not given sufficient consideration (e.g. Wyllie, 1976), resulting in "a somewhat disturbing dogmatism" (Dott and Batten, 1981, p. 151). McGeary and Plummer (1998, p. 97) acknowledge that "Geologists, like other people, are susceptible to fads."
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Van Andel (1984) conceded that plate tectonics had serious flaws, and that the need for a growing number of ad hoc modifications cast doubt on its claim to be the ultimate unifying global theory. Lowman (1992a) argued that geology has largely become "a bland mixture of descriptive research and interpretive papers in which the interpretation is a facile cookbook application of plate-tectonics concepts ... used as confidently as trigonometric functions" (p. 3).
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When plate tectonics was first elaborated in the 1960s, less than 0.0001% of the deep ocean had been explored and less than 20% of the land area had been mapped in meaningful detail. Even by the mid-1990s, only about 3 to 5% of the deep ocean basins had been explored in any kind of detail, and not much more than 25 to 30% of the land area could be said to be truly known (Meyerhoff et al., 1996a). Scientific understanding of the earth's surface features is clearly still in its infancy, to say nothing of the earth's interior.'
On the plausibility of Plate Tectonics
'The driving force of plate movements was initially claimed to be mantle-deep convection currents welling up beneath midocean ridges, with downwelling occurring beneath ocean trenches. Since the existence of layering in the mantle was considered to render whole-mantle convection unlikely, two-layer convection models were also proposed. Jeffreys (1974) argued that convection cannot take place because it is a self-damping process, as described by the Lomnitz law. Plate tectonicists expected seismic tomography to provide clear evidence of a well-organized convection-cell pattern, but it has actually provided strong evidence against the existence of large, plate-propelling convection cells in the upper mantle (Anderson, Tanimoto, and Zhang, 1992).
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Plate boundaries are identified and defined mainly on the basis of earthquake and volcanic activity. The close correspondence between plate edges and belts of earthquakes and volcanoes is therefore to be expected and can hardly be regarded as one of the "successes" of plate tectonics (McGeary and Plummer, 1998). Moreover, the simple pattern of earthquakes around the Pacific Basin on which plate-tectonics models have hitherto been based has been seriously undermined by more recent studies showing a surprisingly large number of earthquakes in deep-sea regions previously thought to be aseismic (Storetvedt, 1997). Another major problem is that several "plate boundaries" are purely theoretical and appear to be nonexistent, including the northwest Pacific boundary of the Pacific, North American, and Eurasian plates, the southern boundary of the Philippine plate, part of the southern boundary of the Pacific plate, and most of the northern and southern boundaries of the South American plate (Stanley, 1989).
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Trans-Atlantic drift has not been demonstrated, because baselines within North America and western Europe have failed to establish that the plates are moving as rigid units; they suggest in fact significant intraplate deformation (Lowman, 1992b; James, 1994). Space-geodetic measurements to date have therefore not confirmed plate tectonics. Moreover, they are open to alternative explanations (e.g. Meyerhoff et al., 1996a; Storetvedt, 1997; Carey, 1994).
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A striking feature of the oceans and continents today is that they are arranged antipodally: the Arctic Ocean is precisely antipodal to Antarctica; North America is exactly antipodal to the Indian Ocean; Europe and Africa are antipodal to the central area of the Pacific Ocean; Australia is antipodal to the small basin of the North Atlantic; and the South Atlantic corresponds -- though less exactly -- to the eastern half of Asia (Gregory, 1899, 1901; Bucher, 1933; Steers, 1950). Only 7% of the earth's surface does not obey the antipodal rule. If the continents had slowly drifted thousands of kilometers to their present positions, the antipodal arrangement of land and water would have to be regarded as purely coincidental. Harrison et al. (1983) calculated that there is 1 chance in 7 that this arrangement is the result of a random process.
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Plate tectonics predicts that the age of the oceanic crust should increase systematically with distance from the midocean ridge crests. Claims by DSDP scientists to have confirmed this are not supported by a detailed review of the drilling results.'
On subduction
'Benioff zones are distinct earthquake zones that begin at an ocean trench and slope landward and downward into the earth. In plate tectonics, these deep-rooted fault zones are interpreted as "subduction zones" where plates descend into the mantle. They are generally depicted as 100-km-thick slabs descending into the earth either at a constant angle, or at a shallow angle near the earth's surface and gradually curving around to an angle of between 60° and 75°. Neither representation is correct.
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Benioff zones are absent from the margins of the Atlantic, Indian, Arctic, and Southern Oceans. Many geological facts demonstrate that subduction is not taking place in the Lesser Antilles arc; if it were, the continental Barbados Ridge should now be 200-400 km beneath the Lesser Antilles (Meyerhoff and Meyerhoff, 1974a). Kiskyras (1990) presented geological, volcanological, petrochemical, and seismological data contradicting the belief that the African plate is being subducted under the Aegean Sea.
Africa is allegedly being converged on by plates spreading from the east, south, and west, yet it exhibits no evidence whatsoever for the existence of subduction zones or orogenic belts. Antarctica, too, is almost entirely surrounded by alleged "spreading" ridges without any corresponding subduction zones, but fails to show any signs of being crushed.
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If up to 13,000 kilometers of lithosphere had really been subducted in circum-Pacific deep-sea trenches, vast amounts of oceanic sediments should have been scraped off the ocean floor and piled up against the landward margin of the trenches. However, sediments in the trenches are generally not present in the volumes required, nor do they display the expected degree of deformation (Storetvedt, 1997; Choi, 1999b; Gnibidenko, Krasny, and Popov, 1978; Suzuki et al., 1997). Scholl and Marlow (1974), who support plate tectonics, admitted to being "genuinely perplexed as to why evidence for subduction or offscraping of trench deposits is not glaringly apparent" (p. 268). Plate tectonicists have had to resort to the highly dubious notion that unconsolidated deep-ocean sediments can slide smoothly into a Benioff zone without leaving any significant trace.
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If the "Pacific plate" is colliding with and diving under the "North American plate", there should be a stress buildup along the San Andreas Fault. The deep Cajon Pass drillhole was intended to confirm this but showed instead that no such stress is present (C. W. Hunt, 1992).'
On India and the Himalayas - For OMFS24 :)
'India supposedly detached itself from Antarctica sometime during the Mesozoic, and then drifted northeastward up to 9000 km, over a period of up to 200 million years, until it finally collided with Asia in the mid-Tertiary, pushing up the Himalayas and the Tibetan Plateau. That Asia happened to have an indentation of approximately the correct shape and size and in exactly the right place for India to "dock" into would amount to a remarkable coincidence (Mantura, 1972). There is, however, overwhelming geological and paleontological evidence that India has been an integral part of Asia since Proterozoic or earlier time (Chatterjee and Hotton, 1986; Ahmad, 1990; Saxena and Gupta, 1990; Meyerhoff et al., 1991). There is also abundant evidence that the Tethys Sea in the region of the present Alpine-Himalayan orogenic belt was never a deep, wide ocean but rather a narrow, predominantly shallow, intracontinental seaway (Bhat, 1987; Dickins, 1987, 1994c; McKenzie, 1987; Stöcklin, 1989). If the long journey of India had actually occurred, it would have been an isolated island-continent for millions of years -- sufficient time to have evolved a highly distinct endemic fauna. However, the Mesozoic and Tertiary faunas show no such endemism, but indicate instead that India lay very close to Asia throughout this period, and not to Australia and Antarctica (Chatterjee and Hotton, 1986). The stratigraphic, structural, and paleontological continuity of India with Asia and Arabia means that the supposed "flight of India" is no more than a flight of fancy.
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The Himalayas and the Tibetan Plateau were supposedly uplifted by the collision of the Indian plate with the Asian plate. However, this fails to explain why the beds on either side of the supposed collision zone remain comparatively undisturbed and low-dipping, whereas the Himalayas have been uplifted, supposedly as a consequence, some 100 km away, along with the Kunlun mountains to the north of the Tibetan Plateau. River terraces in various parts of the Himalayas are almost perfectly horizontal and untilted, suggesting that the Himalayas were uplifted vertically, rather than as the result of horizontal compression (Ahmad, 1990). Collision models generally assume that the uplift of the Tibetan Plateau began during or after the early Eocene (post-50 million years), but paleontological, paleoclimatological, paleoecological, and sedimentological data conclusively show that major uplift could not have occurred before earliest Pliocene time (5 million years ago) (Meyerhoff, 1995).'
Conclusions
'Plate tectonics -- the reigning paradigm in the earth sciences -- faces some very severe and apparently fatal problems. Far from being a simple, elegant, all-embracing global theory, it is confronted with a multitude of observational anomalies, and has had to be patched up with a complex variety of ad-hoc modifications and auxiliary hypotheses. The existence of deep continental roots and the absence of a continuous, global asthenosphere to "lubricate" plate motions, have rendered the classical model of plate movements untenable. There is no consensus on the thickness of the "plates" and no certainty as to the forces responsible for their supposed movement. The hypotheses of large-scale continental movements, seafloor spreading and subduction, and the relative youth of the oceanic crust are contradicted by a substantial volume of data. Evidence for significant amounts of submerged continental crust in the present-day oceans provides another major challenge to plate tectonics. The fundamental principles of plate tectonics therefore require critical reexamination, revision, or rejection.'
On feedback and criticism of this article (Not directly related, but I found it very interesting)
(Comments from Henry Bauer, editor of the Journal of Scientific Exploration)
'On an Internet discussion-group featuring geology, the article about plate tectonics we had published (Journal of Scientific Exploration, 14, 2000, 307-52), by David Pratt, was criticized because of Pratt's views about Theosophy as revealed on a Web-site; my invitation to participants in that news group was that they send, for publication in the Journal, critiques of the contents of the article instead of ad hominem remarks. To date, no such critique has been received. (Pratt's manuscript had received mixed reviews, and I solicited more than the usual number of informed opinions before accepting it for publication. Those who had advised against publication were invited to have some or all of their comments published together with the article itself, but declined the opportunity.)...'
Closing remarks...
Whew! Did anybody actually read all of that? Or the referenced papers? :)
Anyway, in my view these arguments (and believe me, I am quoting a small sample above) present exceptionally strong refutation of the standard plate tectonics model.
Can anybody find an equally strong defense of it?
Yeah,
I think Dan above may be onto something. I too am beginning to smell DOD.If the right people WANT the shuttles to function properly then they WILL. The same goes for the space station. The motivations for them are sufficiently strong that a few broken tiles and loose stuffing isn't going to stop them. The cargo carrying capacity of these things may be what they need to get their little space-based war toys into action. Why wouldn't the shuttles themselves be useful as a space-based weapons platform ? I have often wondered if some of these more intricate crop circles (they contain more ritual geometry than you can shake a stick at) aren't computer generated and then "inscribed" into vegetation with a high powered laser or particle beam weapon, just to terrorize the population of the Earth ! It would be a neater alternative to instilling terror than 911 events !
Question, if Nasa is scrapped as a "tax payer" program, how does the Feds send our money under another "secret/covert" program without taxpayer upheaval?
BTW, does anyone have links to video of these light flashes/morsecode looking signs I have been reading about?
Anonymous said...
>AH, so you HAVENT seen the nasa smoking gun video....<
Actually, as I said above, I HAVE.
It is NOT a "smoking gun." It's merely "out of focus ice particles" -- unlike the STS-48 or STS-80 official NASA Shuttle videos .... :)
unipax
To temple333 and dan;
If I heard it right, the word on deck is that DOD has been in the shuttle business all along.
And that they've had their own black craft, all along, before
any public craft.
Crop circles. How would we know who's behind them. Sure are pretty though. Not scary looking to me.
Could be more black ops. But it'd be cool if they were a from wiser, gentler, source.
>Telliano said...
Question, if Nasa is scrapped as a "tax payer" program, how does the Feds send our money under another "secret/covert" program without taxpayer upheaval? <
Lots of the taxpayers are kinda pre-occupied, what with Paris Hilton and the 3 or 4 jobs taxpayers need to survive these days.
aloha, c
unipax
Yikes!
Maitreya's in my backyard !
Here are some books for Wayne Hale to read that might remove his public relations "happy face", at least when no one is looking at him.
"Prescription for Disaster"
Joseph J. Trento
"Challenger: A Major Malfunction"
"Breakout into Space: Mission for a Generation"
George Henry Elias
I am an American citizen and I consider the Shuttle Fleet to be an embarrasment.
The ISS goes beyond being embarrassing, and enters the category of pratical joke.
Does NASA expect the public to see this current Shuttle fiasco has some kind of historic mission for Americans to be proud of?
The current Shuttle mission should never have taken place and now NASA, with egg all over it's stupid face, is trying to spin the thing into a glorious triumph of heroism, American technical know-how, and ingenuity.
Is Hollywood already planning a movie of this mission?
If the astronauts return home safely, will NASA spin the whole episode so that the Shuttles will fly again, and another flood of taxpayers money will be wasted on finishing the ISS?
Scrap the entire Shuttle Fleet, close-up the ISS, and send it hurtling toward the sun.
Bring back the Saturn Five rockets, and then follow an updated version of Werner Von Braun's method of getting to the Moon, and Mars.
Is that Garry Stine person still alive; the one who wrote those great books on the "Third Industrial Revolution" which didn't happen thanks to idiotic governemnt, military, and business, policies directed by helium-heads.
Actually, it's too late.
America had the stars in it's hands, and it threw them away. We will not Industrialize space, we will not send Manned missions to Mars; instead we will continue to turn into a third world country, until the light go out.
George Henry Elias, in his 1990 book, wrote that there was a good possibility that the USA would continue to retreat from space, until the only kind of space travel Americans would do, would be in movies.
>Congrats on your new marriage. Beautiful wife and picture.<
And I assumed that was a postcard ad for Curacao!
Sword said ...
>Your blog's fantastic. Honestly, I thought we where going to have mubblings of a madman (hehe :-) ), but you have really come through with highly informitive (with checkable facts) news bits.<
All out of mumblings this week. Check back later .... :)
>I'd love to have access to some of the images you get - im sure they come into hi-res versions - all we need is a link?<
What KIND of images ...?
>Richard, I'm also chomping at the bit to have part seven of what I call "the moon chronical". Soon you say? C'mon! :-)<
After Discovery is home safe and sound .... :)
brian c said...
(What I found far more interesting however, were a few other scenes... like the one with the astronaut out on the robotic arm, and we hear dialog such as "It's off to your 10 or 11 o'clock, it's moving away, don't worry about it". Or where they are discussing some flashes of light, and say things like "What is that? I thought it was my imagination." "No, I saw it too", etc. The Russian cosmonaut's testimony was also intriguing.)
Tim brooks said...
Where is that video?
Method 1:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000083C6D/qid=1123226715/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl74/103-7615906-1175026?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846
Method 2:
Install one of these:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=bittorrent+client
Then go to one of these places:
http://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=secret+nasa+transmissions&video=on
http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=secret+nasa+transmissions
(This method can take days, depending on your setup...)
unipax
thinking;
in some ways it is ALL about the metaphysics that are inseparable from HD Physics.
Which came first? :-)
aloha, c
Dan said...
>Please disregard my comment above. If I could now erase it, I would.<
Poof! :)
>Now that I have read the entire article and scanned the comments, I will add a better comment than my last one.
>I believe that Hale is definitely a patsy and realizes that he is being set up to take the fall. For what? This:<
Agree. And, we might (emphasize "might") have been his own "wake-up call" .... :)
>The original plan called for the destruction of the Discovery and the death of it's crew. Hopefully, this has now been averted.<
Unfortunately, I believe that was the part of the original Plan .. by "someone." To KILL the entire NASA program, NOT just the Shuttle Program.
>The shuttle program should be scrapped immediately if for no other reason than they ARE flying death traps. Yet the program is too costly and the space station is nothing but a white elephant.<
Agreed.
>We need a 21st century technology space delivery system that can soon link us to the damned MOON.<
Sunday night "Coast" discussion .... :)
>Wait...I smell something. It smells like D.O.D.! A disaster would certainly put things in the hands of DOD. THEN we would NEVER find out what is really going on.<
More like "black ops" .... What Astronaut Edwin Mitchell has publicly warned against ... a number of times. :(
>Say, while I'm at it, do ya'suppose The Space Command has a "spaceship" they are not telling us about?<
Yes .... Just look at the Shuttle STS-48 and STS-90 videos .... :)
>Please keep'em comin'!<
Count on it!! :)
Everyone,
I have just deleted SEVERAL weird/lewd posts, with language aimed at demeaning other individuals.
We will NOT do this here. Period. NO exceptions, NO excuses.
Richard,
Just a suggestion, but it might cut down on some of the anonymous invective to just disable anon posting. It costs nothing to sign up for a Blogger account and might curb some of the more cowardly and abusive commentary to have to have some kind of name associated with the post.
Not trying to tell you how to run your blog by any means, but having killed a few blogs of my own because of anonymous trolls I've since found it much better to put a stop to it altogether. Of course, now I have no comments whatsoever in my current blog, but I somehow doubt that's a problem you would run into. :-)
About the hastily painted "ENTERPRISE" name on NASA's shuttle (you know, the one with, what appears to be the cast of Saturday Night Fever standing around beside it)
Prise ... as opposed to the plural or possessive of pry :
At the Grand Cascade at Peterhof, in St Petersburg, Russia, there is a Samson Statue which reads, "Peter prises apart the jaws of the Swedish Lion to open the waters of the Baltic to Russia".
The Baltic represented a window on the Western World for Russia.
If we take the poetic Statue Cult interpretation : Jaws lock, so, to prise the jaws of a lion apart, means to unlock, or to open (with force) what naturally wants to remain closed.
Say it with me ... Enter Prise ...
NASA never gave Enterprise a mission (was that spite ?).
No entering means no prising ...
DarkWood said...
>Just a suggestion, but it might cut down on some of the anonymous invective to just disable anon posting. It costs nothing to sign up for a Blogger account and might curb some of the more cowardly and abusive commentary to have to have some kind of name associated with the post.
>Not trying to tell you how to run your blog by any means, but having killed a few blogs of my own because of anonymous trolls I've since found it much better to put a stop to it altogether. Of course, now I have no comments whatsoever in my current blog, but I somehow doubt that's a problem you would run into. :-)<
S-C-O-O-O-O-T-T-Y!! :)
crypt0 said...
>About the hastily painted "ENTERPRISE" name on NASA's shuttle (you know, the one with, what appears to be the cast of Saturday Night Fever standing around beside it)
>Prise ... as opposed to the plural or possessive of pry :
>At the Grand Cascade at Peterhof, in St Petersburg, Russia, there is a Samson Statue which reads, "Peter prises apart the jaws of the Swedish Lion to open the waters of the Baltic to Russia".
>The Baltic represented a window on the Western World for Russia.
>If we take the poetic Statue Cult interpretation : Jaws lock, so, to prise the jaws of a lion apart, means to unlock, or to open (with force) what naturally wants to remain closed.
>Say it with me ... Enter Prise ...
>NASA never gave Enterprise a mission (was that spite ?).
>No entering means no prising ...<
You got it!
Which makes Hale's "about face" the other evening, vis a vis the entire "Enterprise" affair in 1976 so BLOODY interesting!! :)
If you DON'T know the history ... you can imagine what a shock this was ... and still is .... :)
After "only" 29 years ....
Richard
Because my site www.Room322.com has a dedication to Challenger and Columbia, emails to me often refer to the “real” cause of those disasters.
There are three repeating conspiracy theories, not mutually exclusive.
1.That both shuttles were selected for sabotaged because of the demographic composition of the crews. These were a psy-op ventures designed to leave an indelible impression on a generation children. A multi-cultural two sex crew was essential to effectively penetrate all minds. No one is certain if the message was to stimulate or discourage two generations.
2.That the Challenger was destroyed because the Space Shuttle was then a very popular huge success, and the military wanted to take control from public project. The space program sprang from military hardware and there has always been a “who’s in charge” of this valuable technology struggle. The space effort basically went black after Challenger.
3.That the Columbia was destroyed because the first Israeli astronaut was on board. Remember the Middle East celebrated when it fell apart. Terrorists? Question is whose terrorists?
It is interesting to note that if the Discovery heat blanket comes off the shuttle it will leave a hole and six foot crack, but NASA says it’s safe. They felt the same about the Challenger’s the cold O-rings and the Columbia’s chunk of foam. Even after the accidents many engineers still did not accept those causes.
Both Challenger and Columbia disasters were so ‘out of the blue’ that it is doubtful the real causes were ever found. They grasped the easiest and most believable answers for the press.
I do not have the depth of data others in this string have, so can’t confirm. Just reporting feedback.
room322.com
ratcatcher,
I looked up George Henry Elias's Breakout into Space: Mission for a Generation" on amazon.
There is not much to go on, however to characterize the book by saying:
>that there was a good possibility that the USA would continue to retreat from space, until the only kind of space travel Americans would do, would be in movies.<
is misleading. He may have said that but that was not his thesis, which is:
"Editorial Reviews From Library Journal: Elias, a business broker based in San Francisco, says that the American frontier experience has left the nation ill-equipped to deal with the contentious global community. The answer is to flee Earth, "and leave to other nations the rewards of foreign entanglements." In arguing for an American abandonment of Earth, the author attempts to draw on various historical comparisons, interpreting them to fit his own agenda. Billed by the publisher as a "compelling argument for the settlement of space," this is not a convincing book, nor is it very inspiring. Not recommended.- Roger E. Bilstein, Univ. of Houston, Clear Lake
"Book Description: BREAKOUT INTO SPACE: MISSION FOR A GENERATION is anti-NASA, anti-space military and anti-aerospace corporations – deeply angering critics whose careers have been intertwined with these institutions for decades. A more objective reviewer called BREAKOUT INTO SPACE "a stimulating masterpiece of advocacy" that is "a pro-science, pro-space book written from a liberal point of view with a similar readership in mind." (Jack Kirwan, Ad Astra, May 1990)"
originally there was 13 tons of trash on the ISS
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=13+tons+nasa
and now Fox is reporting
3 tons of trash on live Feed news
now I know that media doesn't pay great attention to NASA
but
10 ton difference in the amount of TRASH coming home...
So this shuttle run was a merely a garbage collection duty?
Lives at risk for what?
Richard did you notice the change in weights on the ISS on trash?
J aka 'Brian'
PS agree on the Anonnymous commenting, but I would in no way stifle the freedom of people to express ideas without revealing their face...
Some of these 'ideas' maybe given to us under hard circumstances...
i.e. NASA Engineers and management ;)
Keep up the tireless blogs Richard, awake and staying tuned...
PS talking of NASA/dark shaddowy powers and numbers, this is a coincidence no?
"White House projects 2005 budget deficit to be 333 billion dollars
Xinhua, China - Jul 13, 2005
30 is expected to be 333 billion dollars,a big improvement compared with the estimated shortfall a few months ago, the administration's Office of Management ..."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22333%22&btnG=Search+News
or has anyone tried a search for
33%?
as opposed to 333
"shell earnings may improve up to
33%
Daily Times, Pakistan - 14 hours ago
KARACHI: Oil marketing company Shell Pakistan is likely to improve its earnings by 28 percent to
33 percent
during the financial year 2005, due to higher sales ..."
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=%2233%25%22
Call me an eager young suspicous puppy...
but...
Am I not raising some 'eye brows' with this stuff?
J aka 'inspired/thinky Brian'
Richard,
This guy appeared on COAST last night and talked about the warning below. I don't know much about him,but he seems to interpret geologic events based on examining infrared satellite images. Take it for what you think it's worth. See the full story plus IR(?) images at the website referenced in the header below.
"August 4, 2005
By Stan Deyo
Home http://standeyo.com
The August 2 RED ALERT is the first of its kind I've ever made in the 9 years of studying seismic event indicators. It is so huge that I almost can't believe my eyes. The importance and severity of this has impressed me more significantly than when I predicted and warned about the coming December 26, 2004 Indonesian events beginning December 22.
For the last 7 days, I've seen indications of a large number of earthquake pressures building across a 2,000-mile long arc in the North Pacific. At first, I thought these indications were a result of large storms so I disregarded them. Until August 2 when a listener (thanks Dan) heard my radio broadcast and emailed information to me, I wasn't able to explain the cause of this discovery.
Below you will see white arrows pointing at this arc of signals that have appeared over the last 7 days. They are heading straight into Mendocino, CA to the area where three tectonic plates meet. Notice on today's image and for 6 days preceding, the clear definition of this phenomenon. It is occurring all along the Mendocino Fault Zone or Ridge. This is a place where the sea floor rises up to within 1,203 yards of sea surface 168 miles west of Mendocino, CA. It's been the subject of a great many technical papers in the world of geology and seismicity.
In addition to the Mendocino Fault, another problematic fault, the Murray Fracture Zone, lies directly south of it and joins the Mendocino at both ends. This is where the major activity and area of concern is today.
August 2, news came to us of the collapse of the resurgent dome at Mt. St. Helens. There have been a number of small earthquakes in the range of 3.0 over the last 2 weeks at Mt. St. Helens. Scientists monitoring this claim to be a loss to explain the cause.
Depending on how large and how many seismic events release along the Mendocino Ridge in the near future, where it connects to California could trigger releases not only to the San Andreas Fault map (and San Andreas photo), but also the Juan De Fuca Plate. Juan de Fuca is the only major zone on the great Ring of Fire around the Pacific that hasn't seen a major seismic event in the last 50 years. I don't need to explain the implications of such an event. When this occurs, it will be one of the greatest catastrophes in America history.
HOWEVER, since I have never seen an event of this size in the making, I don't know if it will back off and come back again several times before releasing. All I am sure of is that it's a unique event in my 9 years of monitoring these seismic indicators.
At the very least, you should be sure your emergency stocks of food, water and medicines are what they should be for such an event. We will continue to monitor this situation and are already warning on radio broadcasts. It has the potential to produce enormous tidal waves throughout the Pacific Basic."
Unipax said: I have posted (ok, ranted, its the kona coffee) about the implications of disclosure. I would add that it is not only the technological implications, but especially the METAPHYSICAL implications. Richard and others have addressed this. Its a big deal.
Once universally understood, I think that the metaphysical side of it cannot help but transform consciousness, worldwide. Full disclosure cannot happen WITHOUT revealing the metaphysics as metaphysics and HD Physics are inseparable. By the way, I am no expert here. I'm just scratching the surface. Since HD physics comes with disclosure, the cat will be outta the bag.
The cabal(s) know this. They don't want that stuff gettin out! For some suffering may be a pathway to higher consciousness. On the other hand, suffering is one way they keep the dark heavy lid on consciousness. They prefer having worker's, not thinkers. Some people are finding their way to higher consciousness on their own, but for too many the (very) old agenda version of 'keep them down' is a bit of an impediment to blissful & joyous full self expression.
I think that with disclosure, our world and reality will begin to transform in ways we do not yet see.
IonTruO2-->Now that is deep and insightful unipax!
My feeling is the "cabal" manipulate not necessarily for fear only, but as well simply to keep the minds busy,full and unaware in the congesting quailities of it's activity. Awake beings hold immense power on a very large scale, and small earthly power mongering is not effective in the face of multitudes who can rightly manifest freely and are unconditional. So the middle level puppet players, who hold no real leverage over the greater reality, do aquire a small measure of troublesome accomplishment here in the manner of a concealment and actions in the darkness. Disclosure or a "bringing to light" will utterly outshine the darkeneess and shadowmaking lowness. The Metaphysical knowledge will come mainstream, in truth lessons of "the unconditional" are already here and in print and transmitted by the likes of the master world heart teacher Adi Da for 30 years now. check: adidam.org
Not much I could add to your excellent comment except that with disclosure coming concerning Metaphysics, access to the real mechanism of all, is not even accessable to those of ego-impure intent. Intention must be purified at heart or nothing prevails. All other manipulations semi-magical or metaphysical are still within the pattern of conditional existence and as the pattern patterns, all comes to pass-away eventually. So those thinking they are controlling big time and working their stuff, are still bound to this limitation of duality and cosmic condition and have not really grasped anything permanent or divinely profound. That's a big bubble burster for the gang that think they figured the big picture out, but in the end we will all submit to the "One" who is All and who will be known, the puppet players included.
I don't like anonymous postings. I like to know what everyone has to say and who said it is an important part of understanding what was said. I'm not sure what this "Other" choice adds to the blog. I would like to thank Richard for taking the time to do it at all. I know he is driven to "teach", he couldn't stop if he wanted to. But he doesn't have to do it here, he can invest his time in lots of other places. I'm getting a lot out of it. Thanks Captain.
RCH something I wish you would report on is Voyager, has Voyager bent the law of physics? I have heard that it is picking up speed. Is this true, and is there an explanation?
iontruo2
I "feel" disclosure coming and I think it's a good thing. I am offended by religeous leaders that are "so sure" they have the answers. I don't like the word "evangelical" being adulterated into a political category.
Richard C. Hoagland said...
DarkWood said...
"Just a suggestion, but it might cut down on some of the anonymous invective to just disable anon posting. It costs nothing to sign up for a Blogger account and might curb some of the more cowardly and abusive commentary to have to have some kind of name associated with the post.
>Not trying to tell you how to run your blog by any means, but having killed a few blogs of my own because of anonymous trolls I've since found it much better to put a stop to it altogether. Of course, now I have no comments whatsoever in my current blog, but I somehow doubt that's a problem you would run into. :-)"
S-C-O-O-O-O-T-T-Y!! :)
5/8/05 4:41 AM
From what I have seen, the weird and obnoxious stuff seems to emanate from certain members of the species "blogger". Just because they have a web page doesn't mean you can get your hands on them. (e.g., they could be offshore). Aside from 4 letter words, to what degree would you want to limit the conversation? Would we be restricted as to what we could say about public figures?Would we not be allowed to poke fun or criticize them ? If you haven't looked at international news today, you should study what Tony Blair wants to do to free speech in Britain and ask yourselves if you REALLY want to go down that path !
COngressman at mission control headquarters wishing them safe returns. Awareness has definitely been raised. I am hopeful this will help safe return.
Richard - any thought of taking this blog further and using a tool such as http://www.meetup.com/ as a way to get people organized and spread the word? Judging by the responses and the amount of postings made just in the comment sections of your posts, this could turn out to be something that is very successful. Think about what it did for Gov. Dean in the last election?
Just a thought from cyber-space...
templemaster333
Leaders are charged with setting the boundries of moral behavior. The power of followers is choosing leaders that can be trusted to set the boundries in the right place. We are in good hands.
I just looked at some of the stuff on earth's plate movements. I did not read the small novel that was posted, but here is an idea. Could the moving of plates be because of centrifugal forces caused by the earth's rotation, and that plate movement is just the earth's why of trying to balance out it's weight?
Hi Wayne5,
What is interesting is that regardless of our languages of interest, many of us are feeling in basic awareness something quite grand is occurring or about to reveal.
There have been far too many false Guru's and alot of garbage being passed as mediocre religiosity, but indeed there are true Masters of various degrees here, and their transmission is essential wisdom truth. They are often Not public figures, yet their word inprint or otherwise is the real deal. Thruth rings true. Adi Da for one, speaks not of mere belief in his understanding, but that it becomes self evident in one's own experience, a revealing of the living relationship that is "always already the case". His presence is quite pervading and for me did not involve joining some cultish club busy with its own organization and structure and efforts of evangelical validation.
With disclosure, where metaphysics meets standard physics, our understanding of the mechanism of this existence will change radically. There is a point where convergence occurs and all our efforts of categorizations will fall away. Mankind is right close to that time now.
I guess this does type in, like some evangelical rant, but hey its not, and its out there now and will prove itself.
As Capt. Richard says:"stay tuned"
unipax
>IonTruO2-->Now that is deep and insightful unipax!<
thanks iontruo. :-) and more thanks to Richard. Those thoughts stem from my introduction to HD Physics. Skipper, your work and this community supports that line of thinking. Yeah, you knew that. :-)
Therefore .....
>Rob from DC said... Richard - any thought of taking this blog further and using a tool such as http://www.meetup.com/ as a way to get people organized and spread the word?<
Hey, I like that idea, cuz it can get lonely in da boonies of da fringe .
aloha, c
ratcatcher said, "close-up the ISS, and send it hurtling toward the sun."
NO!!! Nope nope nope.
Slap some nuclear engines on that baby, and [i]voila![/i] Instant Mars mission.
unipax,
regarding Metaphysics and HD Physics;
Could it be that HD Physics actually IS metaphysics ? Branched off? Renamed ?
What?
More 'politically correct' what with metaphysics being kinda smirky taboo, and all ?
I mean, could that be a smirk (or frown) on the face of that guy, Oliver Heaviside?
I'm sorry, he's just lookin too damn serious for me. Check him out, here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1a.html
I'm comparing that to Maxwell's lighthearted uplifted smile, here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
Just dabbling in a little face reading fun here. No offense to Mr. Heaviside.
Am I close? Anyone, please help me out here?
Is the word 'metaphysics' sometimes just conspicuously absent ?
aloha, c
unipax, yes, I'm seeing similar patterns and would agree with the facial emotional response.
Questions arise, such as, if HD and MD weren't real, there would be nothing to leave out ;)
for another point, I was getting curious about the amount of Plane, Helicopter, anything that flies...
...falling out of the sky recently...
so I googled for 'emergency landing flight'
Cripes!!!
Planes are falling out of the sky everywhere:
http://news.google.com.ag/news?q=emergency+landing+flight&ie=UTF-8
Is it just my recognition and alertness now to the hidden news agenda?
Or is it like owning a red car?
Everyone seems to have one when you've got one...
Questions questions...
J aka 'Brian'
METAPHYSICS (my own definition) is the label applied to the problem that MAthematician or Scientist has given up on. I would qualify that by adding that the said problem must be one that is defined by a testable hypothesis. If the experiments result in contradictory results then the problem remains in the realm of metaphysics until the experimental pieces fall into place. A problem that goes too long without being resolved and atrophies to the point of being discussed only in dogmatic terms becomes RELIGION. At that point it might not any longer even be susceptible to being described by a working hypothesis. That is, it may only be described by simpleminded questions, the answers to which can only be tautological, such as "Why is there something instead of nothing?" - A brilliant question you will commonly hear from the fundamentalist "creationist" elements. They apparently don't understand the need to carefully define what is meant by "something" as opposed to "nothing",not that you ever could with the question phrased in that manner.
Thanks to PIF for the expanding Earth info - it's really refreshing.
Aligning places has been a tradition since Ancient Egypt. It has always reminded me of driving a grid of stakes into a glacier and watching them shift.
If the ancients knew the Earth was expanding, they might start traditions that would allow future generations to more easily plot that expansion.
For Regency Architecture and the Statue Cult, longitude and latitude are not the units of measure ... for them, distance and bearing from the decreed center (Jerusalem) are what's important.
Just a little off topic, but this has bugged me since I saw it. On August 18, 2004, the Opportunity Press Release Images web site posted this photo with inset:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a/10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1_br2.jpg
Then, a couple of days later (or maybe even the next day) it was removed from the web site. After a few more days, the original was replaced with the image that is still posted on the rovers press release images.
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a.html
I happened to save that original image because of the startling contrast between the background image and the inset. Does anyone else other than me think the inset more accurately depicts "true color"? Also, a nice deep blue sky would indicate a substantial atmosphere, wouldn't it? And, beside the fact that the inset was even replaced, the poor quality of the replacement (in black and white, no less) tells me that someone doesn't want us to know about it!
A Google search of the original image name (10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1.jpeg) led me to the first link above.
Tim brooks said...
"RCH something I wish you would report on is Voyager, has Voyager bent the law of physics? I have heard that it is picking up speed. Is this true, and is there an explanation?"
The "anomaly" in question is apparently more pronounced in Pioneer; seems it is inexplicably decelerating. (Sunwards acceleration). Here's a Wikipedia page about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly
Dag
I believe the insert pix is a comparitive earth pix not a mars pix.
FarFromTheTree
They want to kill the entire program because we are getting too close to the truth. Nature abhors a naked singularity, and the public abhors proof that their standard paradigms are not based on fact. We are from somewhere else and that is what they are sure of.
templemaster333 said...
>From what I have seen, the weird and obnoxious stuff seems to emanate from certain members of the species "blogger". Just because they have a web page doesn't mean you can get your hands on them. (e.g., they could be offshore). Aside from 4 letter words, to what degree would you want to limit the conversation? Would we be restricted as to what we could say about public figures?Would we not be allowed to poke fun or criticize them ?...<
Whoa...guess I need to clarify just a wee tad. I NEVER meant to imply in ANY way that the conversation itself should be limited or restricted, period. My only suggestion was that removing the ability to post ANONYMOUSLY would somewhat curb some of the ad-hominem nonsense as the worst invective seems to come under the anon heading every single time.
On the other hand, however, I think J (aka 'Brian' :D) was basically correct in suggesting that certain important information may stop coming through with that removal as there are those with 'inside' information who stand to lose quite a lot if they are inadvertently outed. However, I think someone can maintain reasonable anonymity even WITH a profile, so I'm not positive that's an entirely valid stance but I do agree to an extent which is why I haven't continued reiterating my suggestion.
But I DO wish to reiterate that I NEVER intended to suggest that peeps should be censored in what they have to say AT ALL. I apologize if my suggestion seriously chapped any asses but please do not misrepresent my intention. If the tone of this appears unduly overhanded, it is because I take the ideals on which the US was founded VERY seriously and I WILL NOT abide any suggestion that I would ever be complicit in perpetrating tyranny and control. However, I do not wish to appear to be lashing out with unnecessary aggression so let me just say that I have nothing personal against 'ya, temple, nor do I wish to engender any ill will. I just feel that I have been misunderstood in a majorly erroneous way and I feel I must make myself clear before people take me entirely the wrong way.
Sorry for the complete off topicness here, but it is important to me not to be misjudged so grievously if I can help it at all.
anon said
>I believe the insert pix is a comparitive earth pix not a mars pix.<
Compare the color inset to the following link:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a/circles_labeled_br.jpg
The two inset sites appear identical to me, except for color. If the color inset is on Earth, they have way too much time on their hands building very complex/complete mock sites.
"DarkWood said...
templemaster333 said...
"From what I have seen, the weird and obnoxious stuff seems to emanate from certain members of the species "blogger". Just because they have a web page doesn't mean you can get your hands on them. (e.g., they could be offshore). Aside from 4 letter words, to what degree would you want to limit the conversation? Would we be restricted as to what we could say about public figures?Would we not be allowed to poke fun or criticize them ?..."
Whoa...guess I need to clarify just a wee tad. I NEVER meant to imply in ANY way that the conversation itself should be limited or restricted, period. My only suggestion was that removing the ability to post ANONYMOUSLY would somewhat curb some of the ad-hominem nonsense as the worst invective seems to come under the anon heading every single time.
On the other hand, however, I think J (aka 'Brian' :D) was basically correct in suggesting that certain important information may stop coming through with that removal as there are those with 'inside' information who stand to lose quite a lot if they are inadvertently outed. However, I think someone can maintain reasonable anonymity even WITH a profile, so I'm not positive that's an entirely valid stance but I do agree to an extent which is why I haven't continued reiterating my suggestion.
But I DO wish to reiterate that I NEVER intended to suggest that peeps should be censored in what they have to say AT ALL. I apologize if my suggestion seriously chapped any asses but please do not misrepresent my intention. If the tone of this appears unduly overhanded, it is because I take the ideals on which the US was founded VERY seriously and I WILL NOT abide any suggestion that I would ever be complicit in perpetrating tyranny and control. However, I do not wish to appear to be lashing out with unnecessary aggression so let me just say that I have nothing personal against 'ya, temple, nor do I wish to engender any ill will. I just feel that I have been misunderstood in a majorly erroneous way and I feel I must make myself clear before people take me entirely the wrong way.
Sorry for the complete off topicness here, but it is important to me not to be misjudged so grievously if I can help it at all. "
DarkWood,
Explanation accepted and I apologize if I over-reacted. I would point out though that myself and numerous others have posted anonymously in the past without abusing the privilige, so it is not accurate to say that ALL anonymous postings are like that. Sometimes people just forget(like me) to enter a username and get labeled "Anonymous". The specific "ANON" handle may have been one of a few rare exceptions of people who feel that they need to act out their issues on the BLOG and it should be possible to deal with them on a case-by-case basis.
5/8/05 1:44 PM
I don't know, alot of people seem to have no problem at all `acting out their issues' under consistent and recognizable identities. (Hi PIF!) :)
Here, watching the TOP FOX news story for today, details
are this...
Russian Sub stuck under water
5th August 2005
08/5/05
Depth under water is
625 feet
6+2 = 8 and 5
or
2+5 = 7 and 6 (Job 7:6 'shuttle')
76 ?!?
7 Stuck Russian Sailors
40 miles from somewhere
1 km failed drag by surface ship.
5 years ago, Russian Kirst lost (clumsy)
British Navy too far away
Russian Sailors, run out of Oxygen by Saturday Miday
2 days from now
12 Noon
08/07/05
August 7th 2005
8 / 7 / 7?
I'm going for a walk on the beach I'm starting to see
numbers connecting things everywhere, it's like the
matrix...
The above was 'shared' thinking out loud...
J aka 'thinky Brian'
PS did anyone look at that Google link on the amount of
planes falling out of the sky at the moment?
It's unusual...right...?
unipax
Darkwood said:
>On the other hand, however, I think J (aka 'Brian' :D) was basically correct in suggesting that certain important information may stop coming through with that removal as there are those with 'inside' information who stand to lose quite a lot if they are inadvertently outed. However, I think someone can maintain reasonable anonymity even WITH a profile, so I'm not positive that's an entirely valid stance but I do agree to an extent which is why I haven't continued reiterating my suggestion.<
I understand (from a security pro) that on the web, a party with the wherewithall can have your name, address, shoe size, and favorite color in minutes,
if it is important enough to them. Kinda sounds plausible, but maybe not if one is more skilled than the other party. I actually do not know.
What?
aloha, c
>Anonymous said...
I don't know, alot of people seem to have no problem at all `acting out their issues' under consistent and recognizable identities. (Hi PIF!) :)<
Hi back anonymously to whoever sent the anonymous greeting. :)
Are you implying anonymously that I... ME ... has some sort of issue problem? Oh Dear!!! Perhaps it is anonymous and that's why I cannot solve the issue?
doh!!!
Before I even got out of the door, it's another RESCUE MISSION
The shuttle is coming home MONDAY
7 NASA CREW AMERICAN MISSION
7 RUSSIAN CREW DOING LORD KNOWS WHAT!
dot's are linking slowly...
will be back with more, hopefully...
J aka 'Brian'
...And before I get back back,
Can all large foreign powers, stop sacrificing people for five minutes?
I mean, if anyone out there reading this is in a gang of seven people right now, you might wanna walk away or get in a larger throng.
It's not fun being a group of seven running round the earth right now!!!
right...going for that walk...!
Richard (or anyone for that matter),
>Yes .... Just look at the Shuttle STS-48 and STS-90 videos .... :)<
Where might I find these? I'd like to check them out, too :)
Raised Eybrow - Start here -->
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=%22STS-48%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=my-vert-web-top&fl=0&x=wrt
and
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=%22STS-90%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=my-vert-web-top&fl=0&x=wrt
brian c said...
Tim brooks said...
"RCH something I wish you would report on is Voyager, has Voyager bent the law of physics? I have heard that it is picking up speed. Is this true, and is there an explanation?"
The "anomaly" in question is apparently more pronounced in Pioneer; seems it is inexplicably decelerating. (Sunwards acceleration). Here's a Wikipedia page about it:"
The Electric Universe has the answer !
Because of the plasma composition of the Sun (+ hydrogen nuclei, - electrons, etc.) it has configured itself into an immense capacitor. A + charge inner main body surrounded by a sheath of - ions. Ideally, the net charge on the outside should be 0, but because of the dynamic nature of the plasma, the charge balance is not perfect (there are some "holes" in the capacitor), a net electric field may be experienced by objects further out in the solar system - spacecraft, among many other things. A conductive spacecraft in the presence of an electric field will have an opposite polarity charge induced on its surface to that of the source. Most likely, the spacecraft will be - and the Sun a net + charge. The resultannt electric field will be attractive and tend to slow down the spacecraft as it leaves the solar system. It might take a careful analysis to determine if the deceleration vs. time of the craft is consistent with being slowed by an inverse square law electric field.
(Read Thunderbolts.info for more detailed info on these phenomena).
Richard:
Why is everyone acting like this is a big deal? Nasa, the media, us.... cant anyone see through the trees to notice the woods?
How many shuttle missions have there been? Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, that this foam and thermal blanket "malfunction" has ever happened before?!!?
OF COURSE IT HAS!
Then why all the media and attention?
Well, with the privatization of space (South west Space - Delta space lines, etc etc) right around the corner - the public is going to need to know the dangers (burning up on re-entry for one) and how to avoid those dangers - such as sending somebody through the hatch with some duct tape and bailing wire.
I dont see the shuttle program ending - I see it expanding. The shuttle isn't some fragile paper kite - it's a United States manufactured *&^%$##@ space craft! How many missions has this design flown? NOW - all the sudden there having issues with the heat tiles, now? Right... CMON people! OPEN your eyes.
Does anyone get me? It's a game! One big dam game.
Sword
PS - Can we get a date for the article seven of the "moon chronicle"? (You know some of us might actually be palnning on going there :-) and your input and analysis is always of value to us...)
unipax, trying new identity
>templemaster 333 said: Would we be restricted as to what we could say about public figures? Would we not be allowed to poke fun or criticize them ? If you haven't looked at international news today, you should study what Tony Blair wants to do to free speech in Britain and ask yourselves if you REALLY want to go down that path ! <
Could be wrong, but I do not think it is about that.
I think it is simply about;
"weird/lewd posts, with language aimed at demeaning other individuals. "
Directed I think, only at some of the visitors here getting into pointless little chest puffing scruff-ups. What is that anyway?
Or is it called pissing contests, ? (with all due respect, of course)
Ignore it, don't feed it with response.
aloha, c
unipax
concurr
Warning...Off topic:
I could kick myself for not watching your mars videos earlier....all of them!!!!!
RCH You ROCK!!!! You theories make sense and I see how exciting this is "now". I feel that I have been enlightened and now look for other areas where your logic should be applied. Your presentation to Nasa and the UN was nothing short of AWESOME. Many may raise an eyebrow and say items are a stretch but the way you presented the information was logical, grounded and just perfect.
I have followed you for years but I would have never purchased the DVDs if it were not for this BLOG. I invite anyone else to view them as well and stand with you in your quest for public knowledge. No wonder the trusted name in news selected you to represent the science.
Again, excellent product and I look forward to viewing the MAN, GOD, ET DVD....its already been ordered. Thank you for providing this service to us.
For years I wondered; "Why do they have to re-enter fast & hot? Why not just come back in slower, cooler?"
Then one day I got lucky and met a nasa engineer. She said she worked on something like how gravity effects navigating the solar system. Cool. She'll know.
So, I asked her the above question.
She said that it is simply a matter of fuel capacity. There is not enough fuel to burn for deceleration.
Why not just park a spare fuel tank out there?
"Money", she said.
aloha, c
Just wanted to throw in my $0.02 about anonymity...
Dropping anonymous posting will NOT stop people from posting abusive comments if they want to.
However it WILL tend to disuade casual visitors from posting their insights.. which is something I think can be of great value, especially to a site like this (for a number of reasons that have been highlighted in posts above)
The tried and true method of promoting a quality web discussion is moderation. Of course in a blog like this, Richard is the only one who can moderate user posts, which is why I continue to believe a fully-fledged web forum system like phpBB is really the way to go for something that gets this much traffic. Richard could still maintain a "Captain's Blog" forum, in which he was the only one with permission to create new threads (but others could reply to each thread).
Enterprise Mission already has such a forum, however it is pay-only (even just for reading) and, despite the fact that the annual fee is very small, I feel this limits its scope and exposure :(
I emailed my concerns to the maintainer of the forum at Richard's suggestion; the reply I got back informed me that there was a money-back guarantee if I was not satisfied after signing up. I suppose that is very reasonable, but I still don't think such a policy will increase the forum's exposure, which I think is more important.
Wasn't the internet designed to slander others anonymously??? ;)
Ten Alp
"Or is it called pissing contests, ? (with all due respect, of course)
Ignore it, don't feed it with response.
aloha, c"
I like this, almost a British sense of humour here...
yep I can piss pretty high up the wall, specially when 8 bears have been consumed...
Here in St Kitt's the culture completely allow's for these 'pissing contests'.
It's quite common to see, two grown men or a larger group all heatedly debating the running speed of a cockroach...
it's amusing and if your invovled, highly flaming entertaining...
On first sight from a tourist perspective, a nation of people who openly carry farming machettes to cut the natural Sugar cane here, it's *extremely* alarming...
my point...
We are all adults capable of saying harsh things, we are all capable of saying good things too...
Doesn't the bible say it's what comes out of ones mouth that defiles a man?
Jesus got 'incensed' many times, he drove the money lenders and theives out of the tempel, with a whip HE MADE OF ROPES.
Summary, it's all just steam blowing off, and it rarely gets deeper than a few exchanged verbal blows, and understanding eventually flows...
I did have another point I wanted to make on top of these excellent points...
Nations sacrificing what can only be described as the Elite of each nation;
7 NASA CREW AMERICAN MISSION
7 RUSSIAN CREW DOING LORD KNOWS WHAT!
dot's are linking slowly...
will be back with more, hopefully...
700 people injured 7/7/2005
UK 700 people
USA 7 NASA crew
RUSSISA 7 Sub Crew
One last link that's unexplainable with the goverment's metaphysical model...
Flight 358
309 people survived
43 injured
4+3 = 7
hmmmm
J aka 'Brian'
PS the speed of the cockroach doesn't matter, at the time, we all just were trying to get rid of it... :)
Oris Bracken said...
>Because my site www.Room322.com has a dedication to Challenger and Columbia, emails to me often refer to the “real” cause of those disasters.
>There are three repeating conspiracy theories, not mutually exclusive.
>1.That both shuttles were selected for sabotaged because of the demographic composition of the crews. These were a psy-op ventures designed to leave an indelible impression on a generation children. A multi-cultural two sex crew was essential to effectively penetrate all minds. No one is certain if the message was to stimulate or discourage two generations.
>2.That the Challenger was destroyed because the Space Shuttle was then a very popular huge success, and the military wanted to take control from public project. The space program sprang from military hardware and there has always been a “who’s in charge” of this valuable technology struggle. The space effort basically went black after Challenger.
>3.That the Columbia was destroyed because the first Israeli astronaut was on board. Remember the Middle East celebrated when it fell apart. Terrorists? Question is whose terrorists?
>It is interesting to note that if the Discovery heat blanket comes off the shuttle it will leave a hole and six foot crack, but NASA says it’s safe. They felt the same about the Challenger’s the cold O-rings and the Columbia’s chunk of foam. Even after the accidents many engineers still did not accept those causes.
>Both Challenger and Columbia disasters were so ‘out of the blue’ that it is doubtful the real causes were ever found. They grasped the easiest and most believable answers for the press.
>I do not have the depth of data others in this string have, so can’t confirm. Just reporting feedback.<
We are aware of all these theories, and have nothing significant to add.
The central problem with deciding on their validity is that the Shuttle, we have sadly discovered -- all by itself -- is NOT fit to fly repeatedly into space! It take the concept of "high maintance" to a TOTALLY new (and impractical) level!
What's going on right now is what's important: we MUST get this crew back in one piece ... or NASA's finished! And with it, any future "civilian" space program.
That's the clear and present danger here ....
Brian c said...
>First of all, I apologize in advance for posting a small novel for those uninterested in this discussion of plate tectonics/expanding earth theories. Anyone not interested in this should just skip the entire post. I can't believe how much time I've now spent on this complete tangent .... :)
>... Whew! Did anybody actually read all of that? Or the referenced papers? :<
I did. Fascinating. :)
TempleMaster333 said...
The Electric Universe has the answer !
Because of the plasma composition of the Sun (+ hydrogen nuclei, - electrons, etc.) it has configured itself into an immense capacitor. A + charge inner main body surrounded by a sheath of - ions. Ideally, the net charge on the outside should be 0, but because of the dynamic nature of the plasma, the charge balance is not perfect (there are some "holes" in the capacitor), a net electric field may be experienced by objects further out in the solar system - spacecraft, among many other things. A conductive spacecraft in the presence of an electric field will have an opposite polarity charge induced on its surface to that of the source. Most likely, the spacecraft will be - and the Sun a net + charge. The resultannt electric field will be attractive and tend to slow down the spacecraft as it leaves the solar system. It might take a careful analysis to determine if the deceleration vs. time of the craft is consistent with being slowed by an inverse square law electric field.
The only problem with that is that the crafts are not moving slower but are going faster. I have thought for some time now that instead of the having the LAW of physics we should call them the MAYBEs of physics. I also think relativity is worng. Science is all time make up new ways to prove it and just overlook anything that disproves it. Example: If I stand outside with the moon to my back, then turn around to face the moon, I just broke the maybes of physics.Why, because relativity says that it would ok to say that I stood still and everything else moved, but then that movement would FTL. So somehow science ended up saying "Well, that doesn't count."
Jasgrave333 said...
>Originally there was 13 tons of trash on the ISS
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=13+tons+nasa
>And now Fox is reporting
3 tons of trash on live Feed news
>now I know that media doesn't pay great attention to NASA
>But--
>10 ton difference in the amount of TRASH coming home...
>Richard did you notice the change in weights on the ISS on trash?<
Yes, I noticed. :)
One possible, mundane explanation is simply that the original number was defined BEFORE the "problems" occurred: when it was assumed there would another Shuttle flight in September (Atlantis -- STS-121). With the "grounding" of the entire Fleet for an indefinite period, and everyone realizing there might be a LONG time til the next Shuttle, the amount of material the Station was planning to "let go" for return to earth was simply DRASTICALLY reduced ....
Or--
It's another variant on the relentless "ceremonial numbers" being displayed throughout THIS Mission (see, I'm noticing your efforts ...). :)
Keep watching.
Tim brooks said...
>RCH something I wish you would report on is Voyager, has Voyager bent the law of physics? I have heard that it is picking up speed. Is this true, and is there an explanation?<
I had NOT heard that. Do you have a source ...? :)
I AM aware of the so-called "Pioneer Anomaly" ... but that's interpreted as a "slowing down" of the Pioneer spacecraft leaving the solar system (we have other views) ....
Hope this helps.
Well maybe it was slowing down that I heard, but for some reason I thought it was speeding up, but it's still strange.
Tim brooks said...
TempleMaster333 said...
The ... I have thought for some time now that instead of the having the LAW of physics we should call them the MAYBEs of physics. I also think relativity is worng. Science is all time make up new ways to prove it and just overlook anything that disproves it. ..."
I like this point
Jesus often spoke of the physical man, a man that could not see the spiritual...
Physists (spelling (drinking))
Pysical
Spiritual
Hyperdimensional?
If demons are scared of confronting a human race one time...
I'm sure Angels (advanced guardians aka Jedi aka any would be white hat wearing good guy!) would feel no differently...
They don't wanna scare the living cr*p out of us either...
So I'm assuming that when the bible says that no man may see God's face and live...
it might well mean that God's face to the unprepared would scare the be'jesus out of them...
so interesting...
Richard C. Hoagland, thank you...
All my tireless effort, working my fingers too the bone over a hot keyboard, in a hotter tropical island where the local sport for the Olympics is gonna have to be drinking...
...we'd win hands down...
...
still
your reply almost made me jump with a little tingle of wow!!! and :-D
"It's another variant on the relentless "ceremonial numbers" being displayed throughout THIS Mission (see, I'm noticing your efforts ...). :)"
I'm gonna frame that! I mean respect brother, you have stood up for a long time pointing out the obvious...
...even I was asleep in the conditioned matrix ;)
...almost thought it was crazy when I saw that face you pointed out on Mar's all those years ago...
...I mean how could there be, Jehovah's witnesses don't believe in that...
WTF???
what is taught in the bible, ET's in advanced form contacting earthlings...
come on all my former JW's open ya eyes... B-)
yep, Richard you are onto something BIG, keep pulling the little strings you have at your finger tips...
...the nasty old occultic sweater is starting to unravel...
hi hi hi
Still hold your nose for, yep, I agree, the *THEORETICAL NASA RESPONSE*
I know what you mean't when you wrote this, yep standard model conditioning would mean that we would accept that as an argument, if the shuttle hadn't been designed as some huge trillion $ garbage truck!!!
Smell of this NASA like thought train is errrm BS?
"One possible, mundane explanation is simply that the original number was defined BEFORE the "problems" occurred: when it was assumed there would another Shuttle flight in September (Atlantis -- STS-121). With the "grounding" of the entire Fleet for an indefinite period, and everyone realizing there might be a LONG time til the next Shuttle, the amount of material the Station was planning to "let go" for return to earth was simply DRASTICALLY reduced ...."
WHEW!!!
hope you would all hold your nose for *ANY statement like that coming out of NASA's *media* coverage ;)
Thank you Richard, I'm staying tuned and eagerly awaiting the TEMPLE one data...
mi Daddie's coming home >:)
PS no need for alarm buttttt
Earthquake tonight?
Just reading the bible Rev 8:5 (today) didn't like the last bit www.watchtower.org/bible/
mine looks like this before verse quake.(i) 6. And the seven angels with the seven trupets prepared to blow them..."
The (i) is part of two things...
1. a reference to scripture Re 6:12
2. a reference to this number matrix:
i = 9
Magnitude 9?
Coincidently Numbers 1 to 9 correspond like this to the ALPHABET:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I
J K L M N O P Q R
S T U V W X Y Z
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45
SEVEN (7) is a FIVE (5) letter word
1 5 4 5 5
1+5+4+5+5
ok a stretch but
1+4+5+5 +5
5 5 5 5
The Four Fives to Deuteronony 5:5 5th word
The 4 5's to July 10th
also the number of finger and toes...
(http://six-matrix.blogspot.com/)
just thinking and pondering...
Templemaster333 said...
>>"Just a suggestion, but it might cut down on some of the anonymous invective to just disable anon posting. It costs nothing to sign up for a Blogger account and might curb some of the more cowardly and abusive commentary to have to have some kind of name associated with the post.
>>Not trying to tell you how to run your blog by any means, but having killed a few blogs of my own because of anonymous trolls I've since found it much better to put a stop to it altogether. Of course, now I have no comments whatsoever in my current blog, but I somehow doubt that's a problem you would run into. :-)"<<
>S-C-O-O-O-O-T-T-Y!! :)<
5/8/05 4:41 AM
>From what I have seen, the weird and obnoxious stuff seems to emanate from certain members of the species "blogger". Just because they have a web page doesn't mean you can get your hands on them. (e.g., they could be offshore). Aside from 4 letter words, to what degree would you want to limit the conversation? Would we be restricted as to what we could say about public figures?Would we not be allowed to poke fun or criticize them ? If you haven't looked at international news today, you should study what Tony Blair wants to do to free speech in Britain and ask yourselves if you REALLY want to go down that path !<
I only eliminated a couple of posts filled with language and personal attacks against OTHER members here SO outrageous, that I felt that a) it would disrupt the important, positive flow of ideas occurring here, and b) that it would deflect attention into what I term "soap opera" ... and AWAY from the crucial short-term subject we're grappling with here -- how to keep the Discovery crew in one piece so they get home!
I do NOT believe in censorship. I DO believe in eliminating "disruption" -- whose aim is actually "censorship by distraction."
Uh .. uh ... NOT here. :)
15 beta testers are needed for the upcoming "Team Enterprise" crew:
http://www.directactiongroup.com
Sean
RCH said;
>I AM aware of the so-called "Pioneer Anomaly" ... but that's interpreted as a "slowing down" of the Pioneer spacecraft leaving the solar system (we have other views) <
DANG! Another cliff hanger ! :-) A clue, pretty please?
aloha c
he Discovery astronauts will not need to make a fourth spacewalk to fix a thermal blanket near the commander's left window. The Mission Management Team made the decision today based on extensive analysis.
Thermal analysis earlier determined the blanket did not pose a danger of overheating. Aerodynamics engineers worked overnight Wednesday to determine the likelihood of the blanket coming off during descent and becoming a source of debris.
The team replicated the damage on three sample blankets and performed two wind tunnel tests at NASA’s Ames Research Center. The first test simulated a re-entry flight; the second test was set at a higher-than-expected velocity.
Both test results revealed the blanket would not likely come off in one piece. Instead, only small pieces and threads came loose, which do not pose a threat to the orbiter. Space Shuttle Deputy Program Manager Wayne Hale said if the blanket were to come off in one piece there is a relatively low chance that it would strike the orbiter.
"We've assessed this risk to the very best of our engineering knowledge," Hale said, "and we believe the vehicle is safe to fly and for re-entry."
Rob from DC said...
>Richard - any thought of taking this blog further and using a tool such as http://www.meetup.com/ as a way to get people organized and spread the word? Judging by the responses and the amount of postings made just in the comment >sections of your posts, this could turn out to be something that is very successful. Think about what it did for Gov. Dean in the last election?<
Just a thought from cyber-space...<
Will it make more work for me? :)
Seriously, anyone who can send what we're doing here far and wide around the planet, more power to them! If this need us to do something additional here -- please, someone who's expert in the arcana of the cyber world -- let me know ... and please tell me that it WON'T lengthen my day .... :)
"Seriously, anyone who can send what we're doing here far and wide around the planet, more power to them! If this need us to do something additional here -- please, someone who's expert in the arcana of the cyber world -- let me know ... and please tell me that it WON'T lengthen my day .... :)"
...and this 'Good New's' will be preached in all the in inhabited earth and then the eND will come...
J aka 'Brian'
"I'm not the doom bringer, I'm the doom bringers son, I'm just here bringing doom, till the doom bringer comes..."
Take away the toys and scientists quickly turn into economists. In the pre-NASA Era, some of our best economic commentators were scientists who knew the possibilities and saw the manipulation. Perhaps they 'got leaned on' somewhere along the way.
People who know the potential of science are a risk ... a threat. Control of the genius mind has always been the biggest problem for the plutocracy or oligarchy.
Which gets to the final point : don't get stuck in mind traps. Don't buy-in to the Glossary being propagated by people who think Jesus is an Essene, or think control of symbols means control on the ground. Think and talk like a scientist - use concrete terms that whose truth can be measured. Think like Einstein and Tesla.
If our Space Program goes all Black-Ops as some astronauts have cautioned us about ... it will be bad, bad, very bad for Wall Street PR.
Neil Armstrong talked cryptically this past winter about the future, when "truth's protective layers" are removed. He never said what those layers were protecting :
We like to think he means there are layers protecting us from the truth about whats out there ... but, in fact, the truth about what's down here is far less flattering.
Neil Armstrong does not appear to be afraid of anything from outer space - he seems to resent something here on Earth.
regarding brian c's great expanding earth contribution;
I think it is my duty to report that after he read the piece, gilligan was overheard mumbling something about irreverently 'undermining' officially established facts .... :-)
Gilligan also wondered aloud if the Skipper might wish to comment on how in the world :-) a planet could possibly expand ! ?
aloha, c
"I only eliminated a couple of posts filled with language and personal attacks against OTHER members here SO outrageous, that I felt that a) it would disrupt the important, positive flow of ideas occurring here, and b) that it would deflect attention into what I term "soap opera" ... and AWAY from the crucial short-term subject we're grappling with here -- how to keep the Discovery crew in one piece so they get home!
I do NOT believe in censorship. I DO believe in eliminating "disruption" -- whose aim is actually "censorship by distraction."
Uh .. uh ... NOT here. :)
5/8/05 6:26 PM"
:*)
guilty your honor...
it was an annonymous attack...
I responded in a human way...
thanks u for 4giving me :-D
J aka 'Brian'
Is the orbitor going to scan the face on mars? I heard that it can see a kitchen table on the surface since it will have the most powerful cameras ever.
J here Unipax, good to c u got a handle now ;)
"unipax said...
regarding brian c's great expanding earth contribution;
I think it is my duty to report that after he read the piece, gilligan was overheard mumbling something about irreverently 'undermining' officially established facts .... :-)
Gilligan also wondered aloud if the Skipper might wish to comment on how in the world :-) a planet could possibly expand ! ?
aloha, c
5/8/05 6:53 PM"
Wanted to air this theory...
if we are removing the OIL would sea water seap to the CORE?
meaning water expands on contact with heat...
Engine's need OIL but mixing with water is bad, if I remember my first VOLVO 240 as any example of what not to do when a gasket starts to leak...
sigh...
ok...
So if the earth is expanding due to less OIL Being COOLED by the water above...
essentially throwing cold water on a RED HOT STOVE...
...not a good picture...
still
Mt St Helens anyone?
lots of earthquakes in the last two weeks...
...dont make me sing it...
Zen_on_mars said...
>>ratcatcher said, "close-up the ISS, and send it hurtling toward the sun."<<
>NO!!! Nope nope nope.
>Slap some nuclear engines on that baby, and [i]voila![/i] Instant Mars mission.<
I agree: it would be (another) stupid waste of resources to take ~300 tons already in orbit (at ~$10,000 per pound -- YOU do the math ...) and "send it into the Sun."
Besides the impossibility of actually doing that (if we had the trechnology to literally deorbit an object circling the Earth AND orbiting the Sun ... we'd BE at Mars by now!!!), it would be an extraordinary waste of priceless hardware and technology already IN ORBIT ... for use elsewhere IN ORBIT ... as part of the "Moon/Mars Exploration Vision."
I don't know if there's a "secret"' plan to do just that -- "slap a nucular engine on the ISS and GO ..." -- but there sure SHOULD be. :)
Stay tuned.
Whoa, boys and girl !
This is great ! Well, in my humble opinion, that is.
Please check it out;
(thank you, Sean Cotoz) here it is;
http://www.directactiongroup.com
unipax said...
Whoa, boys and girl !
This is great ! Well, in my humble opinion, that is.
Please check it out;
(thank you, Sean Cotoz) here it is;
http://www.directactiongroup.com
5/8/05 7:01 PM
Signed up and waiting :)
Jason, dreaming of the pure world...
...sigh again!
RCH said;
> Will it make more work for me? :)
please, someone who's expert in the arcana of the cyber world -- let me know ... and please tell me that it WON'T lengthen my day .... :) <
I dunno about that, Skipper. Not sure, but maybe you could find a use for a sack of the best kona coffee I've been able to find here? Although I don't wanna get you in trouble. In case any health care professionals happen to be nearby. I think I once heard something about, diet pepsi, was it. :-) (sorry)
Sheesh, I hear that coffee is the only legal drug now, not that I woulod know. Those professionals are right though, about caffeine, among other things. :-)
aloha, c
Thirty Years of Nasa Fudge....very good read.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/shuttle-03p1.html
Unipax said ...
>Regarding Metaphysics and HD Physics:
>Could it be that HD Physics actually IS metaphysics ? Branched off? Renamed ?
>What?
>More 'politically correct' what with metaphysics being kinda smirky taboo, and all?<
You've hit in on the head: metaphysics IS HD Physics. The difference is in the "engineering": pure metaphysics is manipulated via consciousness; HD Physics is ammenable to technological manipulation ... i.e. via "HD technology."
But, actually, the distinction is more due to our current scientific and engineering limitations, than to any innate difference.
That being siad, you've also identified correctly why ALL this has been hidden, lied about, disinformed over, etc., etc., etc. Because to allow even a KNOWLEDGE of HD Physics is to release the information that ALL reality is "manipulable." That we are truly capable of resisting ALL "outside influences"' -- be they purely "technlogical," or attempts at consciousness control over us by "outside" elements.
And those who would "control us" CAN'T have that. :)
So, Unipax is PRECISELY right: the "big picture" of all this is REALLY BIG ... I mean REALLY .... :)
I have a bunch of spare GRASS clippings you might enjoy...
...it's great in your TEA too...
Strange all those Japanese rituals over TEA...
...GREAN TEA...
hi hi hi
yep, Unipax has got the brown, I've got the green, we're good to go...
PS Unipax can you send me a bag of the chocolate flavoured Hawaiin coffee been? A BIG BAG =)
J aka 'Brian'
Dag said...
>Just a little off topic, but this has bugged me since I saw it. On August 18, 2004, the Opportunity Press Release Images web site posted this photo with inset:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a/10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1_br2.jpg
>Then, a couple of days later (or maybe even the next day) it was removed from the web site. After a few more days, the original was replaced with the image that is still posted on the rovers press release images.
>http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040818a.html
>I happened to save that original image because of the startling contrast between the background image and the inset. Does anyone else other than me think the inset more accurately depicts "true color"? Also, a nice deep blue sky would indicate a substantial atmosphere, wouldn't it? And, beside the fact that the inset was even replaced, the poor quality of the replacement (in black and white, no less) tells me that someone doesn't want us to know about it!
>A Google search of the original image name (10-OSS-05-Rats-B202R1.jpeg) led me to the first link above.<
I'd say that was a TAD important!! :)
Can you provide the original image ... and the comparison?
Looks like another DELIBERATE "leak" to me. We've had a few of those along the way.
And, the whole "Wayne Hale" thing could be looked at in that light as well .... :)
hoagy you are insane if you believe nasa was doing that for you
Richard said: Because to allow even a KNOWLEDGE of HD Physics is to release the information that ALL reality is "manipulable."
Listening! Closely!
hey crypto,
thanx for info.
Sounds like you're implying the 'cabals' are not top tier.
Makes sense & lotsa cents, too, for those on top.
Now, who (what) are they please?
aloha, c
Crypt0 said...
>Thanks to PIF for the expanding Earth info - it's really refreshing.
>Aligning places has been a tradition since Ancient Egypt. It has always reminded me of driving a grid of stakes into a glacier and watching them shift.
>If the ancients knew the Earth was expanding, they might start traditions that would allow future generations to more easily plot that expansion.
>For Regency Architecture and the Statue Cult, longitude and latitude are not the units of measure ... for them, distance and bearing from the decreed center (Jerusalem) are what's important.<
Brian c and Pif,
I think you guys may have really triggered something here ... but maybe not what is directly important about the debate over an "expanding Earth," versus a "plate tectonic one."
The ONLY reason to prefer a "distance/bearing" cordinate system over a "latitude/longitude" system ... would be if your civilization extended over GEOLOGICAL spans of time!!!
Regardless of whether the planet is expanding, or the continents are slowly moving around ... a "distance/bearing" system would remain "current." A lat/long" system would NOT ....
A clue perhaps to where Jersualem's underlying real estate USED to be? And how long we -- as a species -- have REALLY been around, not this one planet, but the solar system ...? :)
Hello Richard, re: Dag's comment.
Wow, isn't that special?!
Ah yes! There is something lovely about a bright blue sky!
It just makes you want to take in the atmosphere!
Like a breath of fresh air!
Its just “leaking” out all over the place!
Let's face it.
...and breathe in breathe out!
Jasgrave333 said...
>doh!!!
>Before I even got out of the door, it's another RESCUE MISSION
>The shuttle is coming home MONDAY
>7 NASA CREW AMERICAN MISSION
>7 RUSSIAN CREW DOING LORD KNOWS WHAT!
>Dot's are linking slowly...
>Will be back with more, hopefully...
Stay on the numbers!
They ARE important ... even if we don't know exactly "why" as yet ....
This Mission -- far more than ANY other -- is FILLED with crucial, "ritual" numbers.
Someone's REALLY pushing it to the wall -- and it's our job to correctly ferret out the reason ... and STOP any bad things happening by exposing them, BEFORE they happen.
Stay on it.
Raised eyebrow said...
>Richard (or anyone for that matter),
>>Yes .... Just look at the Shuttle STS-48 and STS-90 videos .... :)<<
>Where might I find these? I'd like to check them out, too :)<
Well, I have an extensive analysis -- literally frame-by-frame -- of the STS-48 video at the end of my "UN Briefing."
You can call for the DVD at the toll-free number, here:
877-345-6222
the level of discussion on this blog implies many of the posters here work for nasa (or would like to).
in other words, the failure of this blog to produce any positive results or even have a logical, fact-based argument, is probably much like what goes on at nasa; ergo - 20 years after the shuttle program we cannot make it work, and cannot even be honest about our failures (just as in this blog we are disguising censorship as a 'protection of good discussion')
although there were some very valid points made here, and this is the best research regarding the shuttle program, it is still convoluted with opinions, emotions, and ...
is it enough to say that nasa is incapable of launching anything ? just as this blog is incapable of launching a discussion?
why do we need to believe in science fiction to quell our own psychological fantasies? if there are black budget technologies being held by a secret cabal of conspirators, why don't they use it NOW, when they are desperate? i suppose they are keeping it safe for their grandchildren to use in 50 years, after everyone has lost confidence in the space race altogether?
as an example of the level of discussion of this blog:
anyone can open account and fake everything. therefore the argument about 'anonymous' posting is totally irrelevant. because, everyone here is essentially anonymous. we don't know where each other lives, can use 'handles' and nicknames, that's the entire point of the internet.
ANONYMOUS POSTS ARE NOT FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO DISGUISE THEMSELVES. if i wanted to disguise myself, i would go through a lot of trouble making false names to distract believers from the reality of who i really am. anonymous postings, are for those who are either too lazy or lack (whatever) to make a profile. maybe i don't have an email address and i'm reading this from an internet cafe, how about that?
so, as we cannot make any conclusions or even have a sane, fair argument without daddy coming in to monitor and 'decide' what is good for other blog readers, is it then not logical to assume that nasa is the same, and this signals the end of the space program, and everything intellectual, alltogether?
... ? (please do not delete this post)
Bithead said...
>I could kick myself for not watching your mars videos earlier....all of them!!!!!
>RCH You ROCK!!!! You theories make sense and I see how exciting this is "now". I feel that I have been enlightened and now look for other areas where your logic should be applied. Your presentation to Nasa and the UN was nothing short of AWESOME. Many may raise an eyebrow and say items are a stretch but the way you presented the information was logical, grounded and just perfect.
>I have followed you for years but I would have never purchased the DVDs if it were not for this BLOG. I invite anyone else to view them as well and stand with you in your quest for public knowledge. No wonder the trusted name in news selected you to represent the science.
>Again, excellent product and I look forward to viewing the MAN, GOD, ET DVD....its already been ordered. Thank you for providing this service to us.<
Thanks. :)
As above, So Below..
This is how the sevens go.
How about a little 7up?
-----Uplifting-----
Crisp and clean with no caffeine!?
Then why do we all feel uptight?
Richard said it well: What's going on right now is what's important: we MUST get this crew back in one piece ... or NASA's finished! And with it, any future "civilian" space program.
That's the clear and present danger here ....
IonTruO2-->Focus Indeed, for they are in.need,
Let us all return to a well "grounded state"(punning:)
With the sevens' it can go both ways.
A return and a rise.
After Challenger everyone was worried about the liftoff, since then no more explosions on liftoff. So the shuttle program went fine until the foam hit the RCC panel. Now after 2 1/2 years of improvements and inspection in space and 3 space walks all looks well. I'm looking forward to the crews safe return on Monday, no matter how many 7's there may be.
There seems to be some attempt to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
Ten Alp
Bithead said...
>Is the orbitor going to scan the face on mars? I heard that it can see a kitchen table on the surface since it will have the most powerful cameras ever.<
I presume you're referring to the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.
It's resolution on the surface of mars will be about 5 INCHES!!!
Whether it is used on Cydonia ... and all the OTHER artifacts littering Mars--
Is up to US.
ALL of us .... :)
Anonymous said: the level of discussion on this blog implies many of the posters here work for nasa (or would like to).
Me--> Now is that what someone could call an "opener"? We could be just people who think of "loftier things"? lol
Anonymous said: so, as we cannot make any conclusions or even have a sane, fair argument without daddy coming in to monitor and 'decide' what is good for other blog readers.
Me--->"Make any conclusions"--I like that! "Sane,fair,argument"-- seems not fully understood by author, please think about those words, obviously the posts were not acceptable even with those three terms.
Anonymous said: although there were some very valid points made here, and this is the best research regarding the shuttle program, it is still convoluted with opinions, emotions, and ...
Me---> Yes, thats quality stream of consciousness, and can also be described as brainstorming, a free flow that sorts to the heart of the matter. It sorts.
Discernment is a better word than the "twisted" use of convulated. Look that one up instead.
The meaningless falls away and the truth arises with more depth.
Richard! I like that middle part!
anonymous said: and this is the best research regarding the shuttle program
O.K.!
>anonymous-name said...
if there are black budget technologies being held by a secret cabal of conspirators, why don't they use it NOW, <
ummm ... you sure they aren't ? ... and that's the question, cuz if they are using black tech, it undermines your premise just a little bit
Anonymous said...
>Hoagy you are insane if you believe nasa was doing that for you.<
Your explanation ...? :)
RCH said...
"The ONLY reason to prefer a "distance/bearing" cordinate system over a "latitude/longitude" system ... would be if your civilization extended over GEOLOGICAL spans of time!!!
Regardless of whether the planet is expanding, or the continents are slowly moving around ... a "distance/bearing" system would remain "current." A lat/long" system would NOT ...."
I assume this is true because a point on the surface of a uniformly expanding sphere will maintain constant LAT. and lONG., even though absolute distances vary.
However,if you believe the theory that the ancient Egyptians used a geographic cubit based on a fraction of a degree of Latitude, and that the cubit was recalibrated on a regular basis, it would also track the planetary expansion and therefore show no difference in distance measurement. (The last time I heard anyone push the geographic unit theory of ancient measures was Peter Tompkins and Livio Stecchini in their "Secrets of the Great Pyramid from about 1970 - haven't heard too much about it since.) The cities of Mecca and Medina are virtually sitting on the same Longitude line. I wonder if the line between them served as a Longitude reference in the distant past, before Mecca became the center for meteor (kaba stone) worship ? Perhaps the Egyptians utilized it for a Long. reference?
I never said 'convulated' i said 'convoluted'.
You must excuse me for not fully understanding the meaning of the words, but sometimes i found your logic, rathar difficult to follow.
But thanks, you are right. Discernment is a better word than 'convulated' because it has no meaning, or is misspelled.
Nil sapientiae odiosius acumine nimio
yikes, is that the secret lawmaker language?
aloha, c
Nil sapientiae odiosius acumine nimio:
“Nothing is more hateful to wisdom than excessive cleverness.”
thanx koby
Me---> Yes, thats quality stream of consciousness, and can also be described as brainstorming, a free flow that sorts to the heart of the matter. It sorts.
-- so all posts should be happy happy happy? no one wants to create negative energy, and what is interesting about this blog is to hear opinions you wouldn't hear elsewhere. Go to any website and you are subject to the editor of the medium. secondly, i think that's exactly what he was doing - brainstorming!
>ummm ... you sure they aren't ? ... and that's the question, cuz if they >are using black tech, it undermines your premise just a little bit
'a real conspiracy is not provable' mel gibson conspiracy theory
But if you look at the facts, it doesn't seem that nasa knows what they are doing. We are looking so deeply BEYOND the facts, maybe reality is staring us in the face: there was no moon landing, shuttle was a smoke and mirrors to keep the lie going, and now... we see the program, for what it is - a total blunder. point: talking about time space warps and aliens handing the government black tech is really insane when they cannot keep the foam together (or a numerous amount of other blunders).
maybe believing in all this (nasa,etc. ?) is just another dogmatic way for the establishment to channel the intellectual energies of sheeple who aren't so deeply involved in church? therein, subjugating all potential intelligent progress toward a real space program based on alternative energy and 'open' advanced tech (bearden, tesla, disclosure project, etc.) ?? - techs that are not black or reverse engineered, but developed by commoners who spend time developing inventions and ideas rathar than watching DVD's of MAN, GOD, ET.
ouch!
- great site - keep publishing !
Longitude was standardized to form the modern world grid we all take for granted, but there is no evidence to support the widely accepted presumption that Egyptians positioned their monuments according to longitude or latitude.
That doesn't mean longitude and latitude were not known, noted and incorporated into the design - Egyptians built monuments that knew where they were. Knowing where they are in relation to the orthographic world grid is just one bit of the knowing. A bigger bit that the Serpent in the Sky remains silent on is a monument that knows where it is in relation to all other monuments.
Honor thy neighbors landmarks, or faith of thy fathers is a big part of making sacred space.
There has been alot of finger-pointing upwards to Orion, but the question we are left with is : what were the Egyptians measuring in the day-time ?
Measurements on the ground (not in the sky) point to distance & bearing as the determining factor in positioning obelisks, temples etc.
If we grant the "if" and think about distance & bearing, the azimuthaal equidistant projection type of map is the portolan and mappamundi - the oldest maps we have are of this style.
With AEP maps, there is really only one question : where is the start position ? The Bible, the Quran, Jesus and mohammed all say Jerusalem. I have found anomalies or exceptions to this rule that point to Luxor and Babylon.
Although, some say the Piri Reis map is centered on the Great Pyramid of Giza.
I just checked the time of Discovery's return with RedShift and found a bad alignment for the shuttle;
Event: Discovery Lands At The Kennedy Space Center?
Location: Cape Canaveral, FL
Date: 8/8/2005
Time: 4:46 AM EDT
Alignments: Aldebaran(Eye of Taurus[Seth]) at 33 Degrees Above The Eastern Horizon
So it's still possible the Owl faction(i.e. the Cabal) might sacrifice the shuttle before it lands.
thanx crypto, interesting.
>Can you provide the original image ... and the comparison?<
Yes. How do I get it to you?
"33 Degrees"
gosh darn it not that number again...
Nheee Nheee
Richard, aye cap'n am on the case ;)
J aka 'Brian or worse Abaddon'
Bwah ha ha ha
unipax said...
'how in the world :-) a planet could possibly expand ! ?'
Well.. that is the 64 billion dollar question, isn't it? :) The short answer is, nobody knows for certain.
But you said possibly so I shall attempt to oblige you with some current theories.
My search for such discussion eventually led to the Bad Astronomy's "Against the Mainstream" forum, in which I found this enourmously long thread where a fellow calling himself ExpErdMann argued and convincingly held his ground against 12 pages of skeptical experts battering away at the theory, and seems to have gained a shaky acceptance as "possibly worth considering" from some of the regulars, no small accomplishment at BA. Here is one of his posts summarizing some theories:
'There are several possible causes of expansion that have been proposed. In some, the mass of the Earth steadily increases. This could be by some mysterious process where existing nucleons simply replicate themselves (sounds wild, but I think Dirac also talked about this). Or, in the same vein, it has been suggested that 'ether' or gravitons or some other entity of space is absorbed by matter, increasing the mass therein. I would say these proposals have to link up with alternative physics and/or cosmologies. I don't think there is any specific evidence for these proposals.
Another type of mechanism involves a change of phase of the core of the Earth. Hunt's iron hydride mechanism would be an example of this type. Again, not much evidence that one can point to.
Then again, there is the decreasing G hypothesis that Dirac, Jordan and others have suggested. As you can see in the above postings, evidence here is equivocal. '
That seems to be the first really serious discussion of it. The most recent major discussion was in this thread, in which it references this paper by Ray Tomes, which details GPS measurements which support earth expansion: "A vertical movement of about 1.6 mm/year seems a reasonably representative figure. There does not appear to be any good reason to assume that this is anything other than the expansion of the earth."
When asked in the thread what caused expansion, 'ExpErdMann's response was: "What I think is that graviton energy is electromagnetic in nature, and so is subject to a 'tired light' redshift like photons are. It's somewhat similar to Dirac's theory, except that Dirac and Jordan thought G was decreasing over time, whereas I suppose it is just individual gravitational interactions which get weaker."
However, in the paper he references, a different view is proposed. Tomes goes on to discuss possible causes of expansion, and, this is where it got really fascinating for me anyway, he started talking about the expansion of the Universe itself on a fundamental level (emphasis mine):
"We might conclude, along with Halton Arp, that the frequencies of all atomic vibrations are gradually speeding up over time and that this is the cause of the cosmological red shift. Likewise it affects all of our accurate atomic clocks which run a little faster every year. If all atomic processes are speeding up then that means that the mass of atomic particles, especially nucleons (protons and neutrons) must be increasing over time, on average at the Hubble rate."
Note that this theory also neatly doubles back to explain the Pioneer anomaly we have been discussing here! He references a paper at the end by V Guruprasad from IBM Research about it... altho now I am a bit puzzled over that, it refers to Pioneer accelerating, not decelerating... which is it?
This Ray Tomes' website looks really interesting, it's all about harmonics... going to have to read more of this! :)
It's sure starting to sound like this is all very compatible with HD Physics! I would also like to link again to one of the first places I read about the Expanding Earth theory (in a work that is all ABOUT increasing vibrational frequencies), in section 5.4 of David Wilcock's Divine Cosmos here.
Black Ops Betty (now THERE's a name ...) said...
>-- so all posts should be happy happy happy? no one wants to create negative energy, and what is interesting about this blog is to hear opinions you wouldn't hear elsewhere. Go to any website and you are subject to the editor of the medium. secondly, i think that's exactly what he was doing - brainstorming!<
No, all posts should be CIVIL (must we DEFINE that?!); respect other contributors (is this too vague too ..?); and at least try to ADD something to the conversation (this last is totally subjective, and NOT subject to "editorial control").
Anything else is "sandbox" -- and will be eliminated.
Period.
Now, can we get back to the IMPORTANT stuff ...?
I could have just deleted those few REALLY offending comments last night -- full of profanity, name calling, and personal silliness (which was just distracting). But, I chose to tell everyone exactly what I had done ... and "why."
Suddenly the spectre of the "heavy-handed censor" is being bandied about. Like, sheesh -- a little perspective, people!!!
>'a real conspiracy is not provable' mel gibson conspiracy theory
>But if you look at the facts, it doesn't seem that nasa knows what they are doing.<
On what basis have you reached THAT dubious conclusion?
In fact, NASA seems VERY well integrated technically, for decades. It's the POLITICS which are definitely off kilter ... like, the continued withholding of ALL the Deep Impact data -- after a smashing (sorry ...) technical success, and on LIVE television.
Then--
Nothing.
Obviously, now hiding what they really FOUND.
As to NASA's abilities to send successful human missions into space, repeatedly, that too has been amply demonstrated for DECADES. The few times they fuck up (oops ...), we ALL pounce on the disaster. But, taking the current "Shuttle problems" as a measure of the reality of the Mercury, Gemini, Apollo and Space Station Programs is REALLY mixing the proverbial "apples and oranges."
As a vehicle -- as a SPACEcraft -- the Shuttle is working PERFECTLY ... all 2.5 MILLION parts. The fact that the design of the ONE critical system on-board required for it to safely become an AIRCRAFT again, when it comes back from space -- those pesky tiles -- is less than perfect ... is a product of what the 1960's materials engineering technology has been asked to do ... successfully ... 111 times out of 113!
Considering the environment, the acceleration, the vibration, the heat loads, the navigation and control requirements ... the failure rate of the Shuttles, as vehicles, is LESS than the vaunted "successful" Clipper Ships of the 19th Century!
But THOSE voyages were not conducted in full, microscopic view of an entire planet!
So, a little perspective here too is wisdom ....
Does that mean the Shuttles should keep flying? No. They are an accident "just waiting to happen" ... TOTALLY because of that "single-point-failure mode" ... the TILES.
A different, more advanced propulsion technology (which would, in a stroke, eliminate a whole slew of "Shuttle problems" -- including reentry) is clearly OVERDUE.
And, why do we (NASA) currently NOT have it?
Politics.
Either, the mundane kind in Washington ("space" is NOT, despite all the rhetoric, a national priority in Washington, ergo, NO "real money" ...); or, NASA is NOT what is has seemed all these years ....
Since "incompetence" is such an easy excuse for what is now occurring (the foam, the remarkably loose "gap fillers," etc.), I prefer to look a little deeper ... and have discovered serious evidence that NASA is NOT the "only" space program in town!!
There's ANOTHER, "black" one ... which has access to ALL the "goodies" most people think of when they think of NASA ... while we are stuck with "bread and circuses" of "falling foam and flaking tiles."
And, this "hidden program" is NOT using "alien" technology. That too is just another "cover story" .... :)
The world is NOT a simple place to comprehend ... if you REALLY seek to understand hidden motivations, power structures ... and "agendas."
Unless ... you want to continue to pretend those things -- which are a part of life in EVERY other arena of human activities ... is, "magically," NOT occurring in the Space Program ... where the Future of Civilization is literally at stake.
Stay tuned.
>Dag said.... Does anyone else other than me think the inset more accurately depicts "true color"? Also, a nice deep blue sky would indicate a substantial atmosphere, wouldn't it?<
RCH has an interesting story somewhere on his site about how the first sky pictures from Mars were a little too Earth-like so a manager went around adjusting the monitors.
Also see these 3 articles...
1) "Not only is NASA faking the sky colors on Mars, but they planned to do it at the mission start!
I have finally found absolute, undeniable and irrefutable proof that NASA is indeed lying about the sky color on Mars- and that it was planned well before the launch of the MER landers! The proof is on their own hardware and posted on the Internet for anyone to see.
Remember that NASA uses a calibration fixture to help set the illumination and color balance in its images from the panoramic cameras? Well, included on each calibration target is a pair of "sky mirrors" that are intended to reflect the color of the sky so that it can be compared to the absolute color references and a true color image of the sky can be generated. Here is the original color calibration target as it appears on the Earth."
article continued at...
http://xenotechresearch.com/?NewLoc=skyfraud.htm
2) These Skies Have Been Colorized - Instead of simply assembling the color images, NASA is faking the color of the sky
Some months back, a number of journalists asked if NASA had been intentionally coloring the skies in the images of Mars. The issue was dismissed with a number of valid but perhaps not very convincing arguments- among them that "it is difficult to get the color just right- the imager filters do not correspond to the colors in human color vision". Part of the problem, however, was the use of filter L2, which is infrared, and not visible. It has the effect of making the image too red, as well as coloring the blue reference chips hot pink.
But now, after the discovery that some of the "raw" images have been edited (and poorly), I decided to look at the released images myself and see if there were any telltales of editing or colorizing. I found that they were just as poorly edited as the other images. In fact, the signs are clear enough that even a novice can find them.
article continued at....
http://xenotechresearch.com/?NewLoc=NASASKIES.htm
3) Blue Skies Over Gusev Crater - Spirit catches some beautiful weather on Mars
These images are some excellent examples of the true color of the sky on Mars. We are often shown muddy orange or pink skies, when we already have the approximate color calibration figures that we need to assemble realistic color images. Here are the raw images from the NASA/JPL site, along with the mixture ratios that I used and why. Judge for yourself when you see these images.
article continued at...
http://xenotechresearch.com/?NewLoc=marssky2.htm
Brian c said...
>Note that this (expanding Earth] theory also neatly doubles back to explain the Pioneer anomaly we have been discussing here! He references a paper at the end by V Guruprasad from IBM Research about it... altho now I am a bit puzzled over that, it refers to Pioneer accelerating, not decelerating...
>Which is it?<
It's a matter of definitions: to physicists, ALL changes of velocity are "accelerations." The only difference is the sign (+ -).
So, even though the Pioneers (by our every day experience) seem to be experiencing a "deceleration," relative to the Sun, it is calculated as an "acceleration" by mathematical definition. :)
>It's sure starting to sound like this [expanding Earth discussion ...] is all very compatible with HD Physics ...!<
Totally. :)
How I would wake up the Shuttle crew
The Western spirit must be invoked for the safe return of our Astronauts.
From Tennyson's Ulysses, which ponders the sadness of an end to the frontier.
". . . I am become a name
For always roaming with an hungry heart,
Much have I seen and known . . .
I am a part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch, where thro'
Gleams that untravelled world, whose margin fades
Forever and forever when I move.
How dull it is to pause, to make an end.
To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
And this gray spirit yearning in desire
To follow knowledge like a shining star
Beyond the utmost bound of human thought.
. . . Come my friends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the Western stars until I die
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
To strike, to seek, to find and not to yield."
God Speed Discovery !!
unipax sleeping
gilligan (chance'em) sitting in;
So Skipper, whaddayasay let's go park some extra fuel up there so they can refuel and then decelerate below that pesky hot re-entryvelocity.
That's how I always did it, each time they called me back to run another orbital shuttle tour.
It worked fine, and due to the slower speed and longer return time, window seat sales jumped 33.3%.
Of course that was back in the fifties, mind you. Might not work today, because back then gas was only about 19.5 cents per gallon. Times change now don't they?
Well, g'nite now Skipper.
aloha, g
Richard C. Hoagland said...
'It's a matter of definitions: to physicists, ALL changes of velocity are "accelerations." The only difference is the sign (+ -).
So, even though the Pioneers (by our every day experience) seem to be experiencing a "deceleration," relative to the Sun, it is calculated as an "acceleration" by mathematical definition. :)'
Yes of course... it's just that they use the term 'deceleration' elsewhere in the document, made me wonder for a bit. :)
Anyway, a quick googling confirms that by all accounts Pioneer is slowing-down (relative to the Sun), more than predicted by gravity.
More examples of Mars showing her true colors:
Beautiful Hills
Beautiful Panoramic
Almost Looks Like Water
I also remember seeing pictures from the JPL press conferences (Spirit & Opportunity) where Mars images were displayed behind the panel of speakers on a big screen. The sky was as blue as here on Earth. Makes you wonder why do they do this?
Sorry if this may have already been mentioned...
Discovery Channel's Daily Planet show did an interesting piece on space propulsion via light (lasers), with the show's focus on this one company's work:
http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com
Video clip with a White Sands Missle Range test:
http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/LTI.asx
(Windows Media Player format)
Unfortunately for those who missed this Daily Planet episode, the show explained things in much more detail than the scant details found on this company's corporate website.
Sean C.
Gilligan (chance'em) sitting in;
>So Skipper, whaddayasay let's go park some extra fuel up there so they can refuel and then decelerate below that pesky hot re-entryvelocity.
>That's how I always did it, each time they called me back to run another orbital shuttle tour.
>It worked fine, and due to the slower speed and longer return time, window seat sales jumped 33.3%.
>Of course that was back in the fifties, mind you. Might not work today, because back then gas was only about 19.5 cents per gallon.
>Times change now don't they?
>Well, g'nite now Skipper.<
Well, the serious answer is that there is NO WAY to bring enough fuel into orbit to slow down enough ... so you don't have "the intense heat of reentry."
To do that with a chemical system (the fuel we're currently using in the Shuttles), you'd need as MUCH fuel to slowdown in space ... as it took to GET you into orbit in the first place!
Obviously, an impossibility ....
Unless, of course, one had one of those good ol' 1950's ATOMIC rocket engines (I guess you had one of those "in the good o' days" ...). :)
Or, a true "anti-gravity" space drive ... which would use NO fuel ... but which would literally "float" you back to Earth, using electricity for the power source.
The REAL question is: in 2005 (four years BEYOND 2001 ..!) why we DON'T have such new, 21st technology ...?
Or ... do we, and it's just NOT available to NASA? :)
Somebody ELSE is having all the fun ....
G'night, Gilligan. :)
John Galt said...
>More examples of Mars showing her true colors:
>Beautiful Hills
>Beautiful Panoramic
>Almost Looks Like Water
>I also remember seeing pictures from the JPL press conferences (Spirit & Opportunity) where Mars images were displayed behind the panel of speakers on a big screen. The sky was as blue as here on Earth. Makes you wonder why do they do this?<
To make it look as hostile as possible -- so NO ONE would REALLY want to go there ... or imagine that anybody could once have LIVED there .... :(
Here's our contribution some years ago to the "true colors of Mars" discussion:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/colors.htm
Crypt0
>For Regency Architecture and the Statue Cult, longitude and latitude are not the units of measure ... for them, distance and bearing from the decreed center (Jerusalem) are what's important<
I looked for some info on Regency Architecture, but all I found was references to a British 18thCentury architectural style - nothing about distance or bearing from anything. As for Statue Cult - zip. Could you provide some link (s)? No books please as I'm already inundated.
anonymous-name said...
>the level of discussion on this blog implies many of the posters here work for nasa (or would like to).<
or work (ed) for other agencies...
Censorship
censorship is something done by a government. Individuals cannot exercise censorship, rather set parameters and limits (as Richard has set). Words mean things and need to be used correctly, else discussions will go off in often unintended directions.
Blog Postings
Why not set up a two part system - one part represented by 'trusted users' who do supply real names, real email and real addresses - the second part represented by 'anonymous users' whose ID remains unknown. As I see this sort of a system, trusted users could maintain a resonable discussion with reasonable paramenters (rules), while allowing others to contribute materials which may or may not be either germaine or accurate. I don't know if this would make less work for Richard, but something like it might. It would also allow the unknow users to cross over later if they so desired.
Templemaster333
Mecca and Median in those times were little more than stops on trade routes, not major cities. And neither became important until after 600 AD, so where they are located now or then is irrelliavant. >geographic unit theory of ancient measures< now there's an interesting concept, but does it check out with our measurements of ancient sites? If it is so, it seems to me that there would be wide variance within the same cultures and concurrency with neighboring ones. I never did buy the cubit is the distance of a man's forearem - that was just too crude for what was built.
Black Ops Betty said...
>But if you look at the facts, it doesn't seem that nasa knows what they are doing< or they are suffering from the modern educational system in their hires, or they are suffering from a huge lack of funding for the jobs they are asked to do, or they are suffering from an insular culture maintained by a buracracy, or lack of political will Or they do know what they are doing (even if we do not like the result or understand their goals), Or all of the above.
Maps
Please! mappamundis are junk - they show nothing in relation to anything, projecting only a child's conjecture of what is where. Do not confuse a true mappamudi - handpainted on velum or cloth containing a bit more data than TO maps (a short hand represntation) with world maps which can be any style - mappimundi or portolan.
Ptolemaic maps provided only lat/long and topographical features for specific places. The prime meridian in these maps passes through the Cannary Islands. These maps are superior to the TO and mappamundis.
Portolan CHARTS, and their varients, are the only ancient valid map types, comparable with NOAA charts. These maps were accurate from 1300 to1800AD, when measuement technics improved. They do not use lat/long but are accurate to 1/2 degree if lat/long supplied, nor do they use any sort of projection. They have a compass rose, even those made before the compass was used on ships. These charts are believed to have been derived from now lost Phonecian maps of 2000 years ago.
If one walks/rides to a land destination, arrival date and length of journey is not terribly important, but at sea - time, speed, current, heading, duration and direction are everything - the difference between life and death. Would you prefer to take a tour of the local star group using a Nat Geo map (TO), RedShift (mappimudi), or a true 3D galacitic projection (portolan)?
Expansion
I believe that it is accepted that space is expanding - ie the space itself between stars and galaxies is expanding. So why would this same rule not apply the the size of the Earth? Of course, there is a problem with this entire line of reasoning - from what point did this earthly expansion begin? Just how small was the Earth to begin with?
So much... Science fiction writers are as bad as they are good. The only reason we have an airplane shaped shuttle is the same reason we have a black f117, "real men don't fly a baby blue airplane". I've been sayin it since the first moon landing. Go get a nice astroid, ease it into earth orbit, and start diggin! We need an ugly space ship with lots of room. An advanced et wouldn't have "laser blasters", they would just throw rocks at us. We are too creative for our own good.
Anonymous,
Please excuse me for my obvious typo re: convoluted , due to bad hands and a lapse of spell checking very late in my T-zone
I'm sorry if you've found my logic difficult to follow. The last comment was quite straight forward, simply echoing your comments with a twinge of humour. I choose my words well, so if there were other posts that were "difficult", perhaps a little too poetic or abstract, playful with multiple meanings, or otherwise, please ask. I am not here simply to struggle or join only a pissing contest spraying blindly at NASA, I seed a few thoughts, nudge a few new notions and join in where I can.
An encouragement, or perhaps(in.courage.ment). :) lol
>wayne5 said...
So much... Science fiction writers are as bad as they are good. The only reason we have an airplane shaped shuttle is the same reason we have a black f117, "real men don't fly a baby blue airplane". I've been sayin it since the first moon landing. Go get a nice astroid, ease it into earth orbit, and start diggin! We need an ugly space ship with lots of room. An advanced et wouldn't have "laser blasters", they would just throw rocks at us. We are too creative for our own good.<
Man, that makes WAY too much sense! The first thing to install is the antigravity/space drive system. Is that why many moons have a very similar LARGE crater somewhere on them, which looks almost artificial? A crater so huge it SHOULD have destroyed the moon if it were an impact?
All, been brainstorming (uh oh :)
Fusion Knight a project for us...
Speed of light...
Spin a platinum disk
Vacuum chamber
super cooled environment
I would observe what happened to the edge of the disk at
these speeds...
approaching and going beyond the speed of sound then
light...
the only way, I can think of spinning the disk to see
what happens at the speed of light and beyond is to
place my 'platinum' disk on a flat bowl of magnetic
coils
so the disk, hovering above a magnetic base, with
opposing magnets on the base of my disk (added)
I could spin the disk extremely fast without creating
friction...
Also coicidently...
This produces anti gravity ;)
Magentons are opposed and gravity no longer exists...
Just a theory for anyone looking to get another shuttle
launched...
Sheesh NASA and black ops betty (I like that) et all,
would like you to think only they can think of this
stuff...
J aka 'Brian'
Dave,
That's the point. I think there are used cars out there left for us to find. We are just too full of ourselves to know them when we see them. That's why I like Richard. He "sees" things. I think its called Abstract Perception.
OK got something...
In the OCCULT, they use a pentacle!
A six pointed star
The mantra on this 'Religious' ICON
is...
As above
as below
you have to remember that the pentacle is TWO crossed TRIANGLES
ONE Pointing UP
ONE Pointing DOWN
SEVEN NASA CREW
/\
700 injured in UK 7/7/7
\/
SEVEN RUSSIAN CREW
Am I seeing this right?
Any assistance?
TM333? FK? Brian C?
J aka 'Brian'
PIF said...
'I believe that it is accepted that space is expanding - ie the space itself between stars and galaxies is expanding. So why would this same rule not apply the the size of the Earth? Of course, there is a problem with this entire line of reasoning - from what point did this earthly expansion begin? Just how small was the Earth to begin with?'
Good questions. A popular line of reasoning among EE theorists seems to be based on a) observed maximum age 200-250 million years of sediments for the ocean floor (PT theory explains this by saying all older sediment have been subducted), and b) the fitting of the continents (or more specifically, continental shelves) onto a globe approx 60% of the size of the current earth (by surface area... 50% by volume IIRC).
From these two observations, the following scenario could be drawn:
Until approx. 200-250 million years ago, the Earth was roughly 60% of its current size, and all of the continents were locked together. The