Monday, August 01, 2005

Return to Flight -- NOT Yet ... Maybe ... NEVER!?


So, the Shuttle Fleet is grounded because of foam coming off the Tank ... again.

Is this truly a surprise?

What is surprising is that the Space Agency told us ... while Discovery is still in orbit!

In striking contrast to the actions of the JPL management and scientific team controlling the increasingly mysterious Deep Impact Mission these past few weeks, NASA Shuttle managers overseeing the on-going STS-114 Discovery Mission have displayed a remarkable candor concerning both the potential problems with Discovery ... and the immense impact of these problems on the larger Shuttle Program.

Like -- telling us IMMEDIATELY they were "grounding" the entire Shuttle Fleet (!) -- as soon as the television images and digital stills were downlinked from the Mission, even before they were analyzed competely ....


John Shannon -- Space Shuttle Operations Manager -- foreshadowed this truly remarkable development when he stated at the first technical press briefing, the afternoon of Discovery's spectacularly successful launch:

"... I didn't come in with a lot of answers today. I came in trying to send a message that this is a test flight. And, we're very early in a six-day process. We're gonna share that with you as we go through it.

"We're not gonna keep data behind closed doors and try to understand it fully before we bring it out, we're gonna have you walk the trail with us. And we're gonna bring the information in as we know it, and let you share in it [emphasis added]...."

The Deep Impact Team should take a MAJOR hint ....

* * *

This "new" NASA does however raise some fascinating questions for an "old" NASA watcher like me:

Like ... why the sudden, almost embarrassing "openess?" Why the committment, so early in the Mission, to literally "let it ALL hang out?"

And ... why begin such a"new policy" ... before the current crew was back safely on the ground ... when such a policy could literally cost lives (see below) -- if not the entire Shuttle Program?!

I'm referring, of course, to NASA's (inexplicable, to me) amazing rush "to tell the whole world" -- and thus, all the literally thousands of NASA personnel working for the crew around the clock, trying to keep them safe in orbit, and to get them home alive ... and while the astronauts are still in flight! -- that NASA was suddenly, indefinitely--

Grounding the entire Shuttle Program!

Why not simply wait?

Why did NASA make its shocking announcement (certainly, to many of its NASA personnel, if not the Discovery crew itself) ... at (to me) precisely the wrong time--

In the middle of a Mission??!!

Why, indeed ...?

* * *

Morale is critical in any successful organization, certainly in a large-scale, complex operation such as a "manned" space mission. Literally thousands of people are involved in the Discovery Mission, from the managers at the top ... to the lowliest guy who sweeps the floor in the VAB, who's now specifically tasked with the critical job of looking for debris which could damage even one of those extremely fragile tiles ....

Why deliberately put all those people in a psychological tailspin -- by "blurting out," within literally hours after lifetoff -- at the very Beginnings of this long-anticipated Mission -- in effect, that "countless NASA personnel and NASA contractors' efforts had been wasted over these preceeding two and half years ...? Why tell them so precipitously, that the entire Shuttle Program has once again been grounded--

Even before Discovery returns!?

In other words, why deliberately kill the essential morale of all those countless folks, at the NASA Centers and contractors offices all across the Nation and around the world ... whose single-minded attention HAD "just moments before" been solely focused on getting this crew home safe and sound ...!?

For, after all the anticipation of the stakes involved in this critical "Return to Flight" Mission, with the stunning NASA announcement, instead of concentrating on their jobs -- analyzing "the condition of the tiles," or "the aerodynamics of the TV footage of the foam release--

--"Did it strike the Shuttle's wing ... or didn't it? Is the protrusion of those 'gap fillers' seen in the approach Station imagery REALLY going to cause a problem on Return ...?"--

--how many of those previously, deeply involved NASA technical and management personnel were suddenly, severely, inevitably distracted by the major personal question planted in their minds:

"I wonder if I'll even have a job tomorrow morning ... on this dying Program ...!?"

It'd be only human.

So, what was NASA thinking ..!?

Space Agency Deputy Shuttle Program Manager, Wayne Hale (above) could -- in complete consistency with Shannon's early promise -- still have shared all the data it acquired from the Mission: the close-up tile images, the radar, the surface scans of all the tiles by laser, the low-light-level television close-ups of the wings, the underbelly of the Shuttle, etc., etc. This would have kept all the media deliriously happy, while simultaneously keeping NASA's word ... but NOT giving away NASA's right to make a reasoned, thoughtful policy decision on behalf of both the safety of the crew still flying ... if not the political future of the entire Shuttle Program ... when the crew was safely back on terra firma.

Then -- and only then -- in my opinion, should such a major, far-reaching Shuttle Program decision have been publicly, officially announced ... when that announcement, by its timing, could not further endanger an already over-stressed crew ... and their critical human support system throughout NASA!

And, such a "reasoned process" would have allowed the literally tens of thousands of dedicated NASA employees -- the much discussed "NASA family," all over the world, who had given their "all" over the last two and a half years to make this flight finally happen -- a well-deserved chance to celebrate, even for just a little while, all the things which have gone right with this new Mission.

For the truth is that, for an "aging" spaceship over twenty years old and comprised of over 2.5 million separate parts, Discovery is doing a superb job of actually flying ....

If it just weren't for those damn tiles!

* * *

This, of course, will seem to some like a serious departure from my previous, often stated, decades-old position concerning "NASA's openess."

But, that pertains to data.

This pertains to lives.

There's an enormous difference ....

Watching the traditional "Sunday morning" televised interviews between Fox News, NBC, ABC and three members of the Discovery crew yesterday morning -- including, questions concerning their own emotions when they received the news that the Shuttle Program has been grounded while they're still in orbit -- it was obvious that the announced decision was causing more than a bit of stress among the crew, contrary to their own carefully worded statements in response to this very "loaded" question.

When each member was directly asked if the "grounding announcement" had "surprised or disappointed them," they all responded that they were "pleased that the Agency had taken such forthright action ... even while the Mission was on-going."

However, their eyes told a very different story ....

During these Discovery media interviews, one of the first things I noted was the abnormal "blink rate" of this crew.

Compared to interviews conducted on the ground, recorded previously, that NASA TV has been running literally for months late at night before this flight (and which I've had occasion to watch more than once ...), all the crew's rate of eyelid blinking has dramatically increased during this specific Mission.

According to the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin -- specifically, an article for June, 2003, "A four-domain model for detecting deception: an alternative paradigm for interviewing":

"... when people feel troubled or frustrated or they have a subdued temper tantrum, their eyelids may close or flutter rapidly as an expression of their sentiment. (12) Research also has shown that when people are nervous or troubled, their blink rate increases, a phenomenon often seen with liars under stress. (13) In one case where investigators closely videotaped the interviewee, observers in another room catalogned the subject's blink rate increase from 27 times per minute to 84 times a minute during stressful questions. Investigators should consider all of the eye manifestations that fall under the comfort/discomfort domain as powerful clues to how subjects register information or what questions prove problematic ...."

If anyone (besides myself) taped these interviews, simply look at ALL the indicators outlined in the FBI paper -- especially, the curious and truly fascinating increased blink rates -- and let me know your thoughts.

While certainly not definitive in and of itself, combined with the rest of the indicators of "less than total candor" discussed in the FBI paper, when applied to the STS-114 crew's media responses, these observations are most intriguing ... if not unsettling.

Because, why should this specific crew "feel troubled or frustrated" (as the FBI article describes, as one reason for such increased blinking ...) -- if, as NASA has been emphasizing since the high-profile "Shuttle Program grounding" several days ago, "though the foam loss means that problem MUST be fixed before another Shuttle flies ... this Shuttle and this crew 'dodged the bullet' ... and are in great shape to come home."

What if that's not true?

And, what if Eileen Collins and her crew -- despite NASA's reassuring public assertions to the contrary -- already know this?

The other possibility, of course, is that this covert "eyelid indicator" of increased stress among the crew is, despite their own assertions to Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" yesterday morning, directly the result of the amazing NASA decision to announce the grounding of all Shuttles -- including their own "rescue vehicle," Atlantis (even now being quietly prepped for a low-probability mission to go up and get this crew) -- before they had returned!

So, again, what was NASA (or, some part of NASA ...) really thinking?

* * *

As I was pondering this (to me) MAJOR mystery about this Mission, I got a very enlightening (if somewhat disconcerting ...) phone call last evening from one of my long-time "NASA sources."

He reminded me that, about two years ago -- after the Columbia tragedy, and as the realization shockingly dawned within NASA that the Shuttle's days were numbered -- we had a key discussion regarding some in NASA's "hidden agenda," regarding both the aging Shuttle Program ... and that other unspoken "NASA albatross" -- the International Space Station (ISS).

We'd discussed his discovering "a covert plan inside NASA," to "somehow" ground the Shuttles -- permanently -- long before the President's eventually-announced retirement date "of 2010!"

This would immediately free up (according to these planners) a LOT of (currently limited) NASA money to vigorously pursue the President's new Space Vision -- "back to the Moon ... on to Mars ... and Beyond" -- by providing funds desperately necessary NOW to develop the critically-needed successor to the Shuttles: the "Crew Exploration Vehicle" (or, CEV) ... years earlier than is now possible financially!

Such a critically-needed development program would represent the first new commissioned US "manned" spaceship (when actually flown ...) in more than thirty years! Without it, the President's "New Vision" will be permanently stuck in low Earth orbit ....

Moreover, if the Shuttles were to be pronounced "permanently unfit to fly again" -- far earlier than the President's current deadline of 2010 -- this could also free NASA from another "financial blackhole" (according to my source): the continuing need to keep pouring money into the "exploration dead end" (as the Administration really views it ...) of the International Space Station itself!

If the Shuttles were declared "unfit for further service" -- because their "foam and tile problems" were deemed SO severe that they literally COULD NOT BE FIXED "within any reasonable timeframe or expenditure of funds ..." -- the current US committment to its "international partners" in the Space Station Program, and its dependence on the Russian Soyuz vehicles to carry US astronauts to and from the Station, could be legally terminated!

NASA's use of Russian Suyuz spacecraft to send US astronauts to the Station will automatically terminate anyway at the end of THIS year (2005) -- due to a Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty which the United States has signed, which specifically prohibits NASA from dealing with Russia past that date ... if Russia continues supplying forbidden nuclear technology to Iran!

With the Shuttles again grounded with much fanfare in the last few days "because of the foam and newly-revealed tile problems," and the Treaty exemption for the current US use of Soyuz vehicles literally running out ... all it would take for the United States to be able to "gracefully" back out of the entire International Space Station Program (again, according to my source), would be if the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty exemption could not be renewed (it's at the President's discretion ...), and for the entire Shuttle Program to be permanently suspended--

Because the public overwhelmingly demanded it!

And, without the Shuttles ... the ISS cannot even be completed!

* * *

Does this explain the otherwise completely inexplicable ... a Space Agency so eager to declare the entire Shuttle Fleet "inoperable," that it couldn't even wait for Discovery to successfully come home?! Does it explain the sudden rash of "NASA openness" ... which, in this scenario, has actually been laying the groundwork for another "sudden public revelation": that even Discovery is unsafe to fly home ... without a "fix" in orbit ... in her current, increasingly ambiguous condition ..!?

And does this now explain the increasingly intense pressure on Eileen Collin's and her crew, "leaking out" in their subliminal communication: their unconscious increased blinking ... revealing their intense "feeling troubled or frustrated ..." -- because of their direct knowledge of their REAL Mission ... which, in this scenario, is only to provide sufficient excuse to NASA--

To permanently ground the entire Shuttle Program?!

And, given the Machiavellian nature of this obvious conspiracy (there, I've said it!) -- just how far would this "small cabal" in NASA go ... to accomplish their ultimate objectives?

Even my source truly didn't know ....

Addendum

On the nationally broadcast "Coast to Coast AM," with Art Bell, last night Major Ed Dames -- former military intelligence officer attached to the Defense Intelligence Agency -- "predicted" (via "remote viewing") Discovery's chances of returning safely to Earth as "only about 15%!"

Putting aside why a "professional remote viewer" wouldn't KNOW if the Shuttle will return safely (does he not "see it?"), Major Dames obvious former/current intelligence connections provide a far more credible source for such disturbing information, which only supports our own, totally independent source -- regarding a possible "hidden agenda" within NASA, being carried out by a tiny minority of personnel -- to potentially attempt in some way to "compromise" this Mission.

Of course, the "remote viewing angle" provides total "plausible deniability" for Major Dames -- in terms of his true sources -- should the unthinkable actually happen ....

Stay tuned.

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265 Comments:

bruno said...

I've been reading this blog since its inception, and so far, all of the commentary has been inticing...However,
"So, just how far would this "small cabal" in NASA go ... to accomplish their objectives?"
sounds like an implication that the crew was "tricked" into going on this mission because the "cabal" thinks it's OK to kill.
These people do not want to die, as I agree is indicated by their blink rate, so NASA copy-catted the (7/7) London bombers?
I hope I'm way-off here, or Mr H just blew his cover...
It is way-too difficult to engineer failure, other than catastrophic, especially for a system of this complexity.

I actually feel betrayed (and the hurt that goes with it) by Mr H.

1/8/05 7:25 AM  
SunKing said...

Bruno,I think you have little cause for a feeling of betrayal by H. Keep da faith, Bro!

Richard,
I too find the timing of the grounding announcement extremely "interesting"...almost like it was know in advance that they would make it. The whole mission AND the obvious attempt to make sure it foremost in the eyes of the people is telling.

Didn't you love the astronauts answer dodging when Russert asked about ET life? The first guy acted like he was trying to avoid the stigma of a pilot making an official report of an UFO sighting!

1/8/05 7:41 AM  
the old man from scene 24 said...

I spoke to a friend at NASA this weekend who expressed dismay and not a little bit of disgust at the apparent total lack of PR skills of NASA management concerning this shuttle. His words.

1/8/05 8:13 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Bruno,

>I've been reading this blog since its inception, and so far, all of the commentary has been inticing...

>However,

>"So, just how far would this "small cabal" in NASA go ... to accomplish their objectives?"
sounds like an implication that the crew was "tricked" into going on this mission because the "cabal" thinks it's OK to kill.

>These people do not want to die, as I agree is indicated by their blink rate, so NASA copy-catted the (7/7) London bombers?

>I hope I'm way-off here, or Mr H just blew his cover...

>It is way-too difficult to engineer failure, other than catastrophic, especially for a system of this complexity.

>I actually feel betrayed (and the hurt that goes with it) by Mr H.<


Enterprise has a VERY reliable source. This source has proven its reliability over literally YEARS. Therefore, I must take the information this source has provided -- which is corroborated (in part) by NASA's and this crews' seperate but equally inexplicable behavior on THIS Mission -- EXTREMELY seriously.

My sincere hope is, that by publicly discussing ALL aspects of this unravelling scenario ... we can forestall those who would imagine they could get away with the "unthinkable." Do such folks exist? Of course, as has been amply demonstrated even before 9/11.

Are any of those types -- "the end justifies the means" -- in NASA?

I don't know.

I pray we DON"T find out on this extremely puzzling, increasingly disturbing Mission ....

For me to act otherwise, given this impeccable source of previous reliable intelligence, would be incredibly irresponsible -- regardless of my personal emotions against even thinking it could happen ....

So, I've written precisely what was thoroughly, carefully discussed last night -- in hopes that it will act as an ultimate deterrent ... if that's needed.

Your reaction is totally understandable, given the gravity of this potential situation: shoot the messenger.

Fortunately, I don't care. The alternative is simply too horrible to contemplate, if I can change -- by simply exposing what a few, obviously insane individuals, might actually be planning -- what might be planned ... and, of course, WITHOUT the knowledge of the crew!

1/8/05 8:26 AM  
Massimo IT said...

Bruno,
speculating about the worst is something hurting, but ... what if there are good reasons to think the worst?
There are great plans for space explorations in the very near future, just behind the corner, and you know what? None of them include the NASA STS. Why? Because this vehicle is useless for space exploration, or there are today, y. 2005, better possibilities. Or, being extreme, there are always been, but political games directed NASA there. So far. Now there is a President (a political Elite) driving the Nation (... the world, by any means) towards different objectives and goals. Anything strange? Anything new? How to politically break the network of committments taken with foreign partners, for instance?
Sorry for the ordeal the crew has to go through now, up there, but this really looks a straight way to get out of business (I mean, this one, the ISS and STS one being eventually the same thing). I am even impressed that RH dares to speak up like this about this. And we should be grateful of that. Honest speaking is uncommon. It is ten years I am under the impression that US wants to get rid of the STS program, only they didn't know how to do that smoothly enough.

1/8/05 8:34 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

The old man from scene 24,

>I spoke to a friend at NASA this weekend who expressed dismay and not a little bit of disgust at the apparent total lack of PR skills of NASA management concerning this shuttle. His words.<


That's my point: NASA's official handling of this entire situation with the press simply defies rational explanation ... unless ... the "hidden objective" is to completely KILL the Shuttle Program -- NOW.

My fear is that, in an Agency where NO ONE QUESTIONS ANYTHING anymore (!!) ... and the "press" is simply reprinting NASA handouts ... a few "extremists" could push such an agenda "over the edge," if they felt "justified," and that they could get away with it ....

That's the reality of the "new world" we now inhabit. And, it's NOT limited to fanatics of any particular religion -- as the "outing" of Valerie Plame in direct retribution against her husband's perceived role in the run up to the Iraq War -- which could have cost her LIFE, and the lives of many CIA "sources" in the Middle East -- should have amply demonstrated by now in OUR society and power structure ....

1/8/05 8:40 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

SunKing,

>Didn't you love the astronauts answer dodging when Russert asked about ET life? The first guy acted like he was trying to avoid the stigma of a pilot making an official report of an UFO sighting!<


What I found fascinating -- and also completely inexplicable - -was Russert ASKING THEM THE QUESTION ... almost, as if he KNEW the answer ... and was TESTING them ....

And, "Charlie's (Vegas')" answer was also accompanied with glaringly obvious body language (see the FBI paper) -- looking DOWN and AWAY from the camera ... as he "answered" it.

This whole situation is just getting weirder ... and weirder!

1/8/05 8:47 AM  
WhoNeedsANick said...

NASA succeeded in making people forget about Deep Impact with this shuttle malarkey.

That's where the real story is.

1/8/05 9:09 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

WhoNeedsANick,

>NASA succeeded in making people forget about Deep Impact with this shuttle malarkey.

>That's where the real story is.<


That seems to be true ... at least temporarily.

Our source has tried to get us some information on what Deep Impact REALLY has discovered ... and he reports that even IN NASA no one is thinking ANYTHING but "shuttle."

This will change, of course, AFTER the Mission comes down safely ....

Now, was this PLANNED? I don't know.

Frankly, I don't think so -- as these divisions in the Agency are heavily compartmentalized, and the pre-planning time-wise doesn't really fit.

But, the effect has been the same: no one now is talking (or thinking) about Deep Impact .. and what it might have found--

But us. :)

1/8/05 9:16 AM  
Massimo IT said...

This imagery of the flying shuttle is awesome, anyway. Fantastic. Eventually, one feels really sorry that such a great machine is going to be grounded forever. I mean, I GREW with it!
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/050731_sts114_gapfillers.html

1/8/05 9:25 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Massimo IT,

>This imagery of the flying shuttle is awesome, anyway. Fantastic. Eventually, one feels really sorry that such a great machine is going to be grounded forever. I mean, I GREW with it!<

I agree ....

1/8/05 9:42 AM  
macca379 from uk said...

Hello!

Can you imagine an airline announcing to the media it will ground all its planes due to a problem with the, say fuselage BEFORE it had got all the planes on the ground? Of course that wouldn't happen! The airline would calmly wait until ALL planes were safely on the ground THEN announce the problem and grounding.

What NASA have just done is beyond belief! As Richard has said it is great to be more open about things, but you do not announce something that can plant seeds of doubt in your crew and support staff. Any little difference in the shuttle behaviour will now worry the crew and controllers more than it should otherwise. This can lead to rushed conclusions which put lives in even more danger.
Mind you it has made the media more interested than they would normally be. Was this the plan of the NASA PR/Spin machine? And if so why?
I'm sure the crew will rise above it and come back safely but they should never have been put in this stupid situation to begin with.
It was so wonderful watching the lift-off and the new camera angles were excellent. It was a great moment in amongst all the bad that is happening in the world. But some in NASA spoil it for everyone including their own staff! Personally I would congratulate all the hard working people there for actually getting the beautiful bird back in space!

BTW, loving the blog and website Richard. Great work! :-)

1/8/05 9:48 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Another Excellent Blog Richard,

More and more interesting and deeply sickening insights into NASA and it's apparent lack of morality or foresight...

""We're not gonna keep data behind closed doors and try to understand it fully before we bring it out, we're gonna have you walk the trail with us. And we're gonna bring the information in as we know it, and let you share in it [emphasis added]...."

The Deep Impact Team should take a MAJOR hint ...."

AGREED!!!

TOTALLY FREAKING AGREED!!!

Yep another cover up story... or distraction attempt, or NASA have really really, SCREWED up AGAIN!!!

PUH-LEASE

Why isn't there TOTAL openess with EVERY MISSION?

Tempel 1???

Spirit???

Now Seven Crew members are trimming loose pieces of filler from the shuttle...

...if I had a car that needed a freakout service everytime I drove it somewhere, I'd get rid of it...

...why haven't the shuttles been improved for 20 years???

WHY are SEVEN CREW in danger NASA???

Are their lives worth your occult sacrifices???

AND

A huge amount of solar activity in the next few days, what's protecting that brave crew from the Solar Magnetic outburst from the sunspot 792 www.spaceweather.com?

Give YOUR Countries people all the data and FACTS they have paid for in precious TAX Dollar'$.

Ceasers things to Ceaser true, regarding tax money...

But give God's things back to the People...

i.e. pictures of OUR Neigbouring planets and pictures of OUR Celestial companion TEMPEL 1...

TODAY

J aka 'Brian'

1/8/05 10:01 AM  
Justin said...

hey richard..

whats all this leading to anyway??..all these theories
and speculation are great about what nasa is and isn't doing..
but what the hell is this all leading too?? is the announcment
of all things alien coming? so the government my slip out beneath the lies
they have been perpetrating since nasas inception? and look
just as stunned as we are, so as to not reveil their position?

do you think we are finally "getting somewhere"?? or is this just another
agenga driven stall for a larger cash grab?

is there some other "announcment" waiting in the wings that
will make us(the public)love nasa again?

obviously something big is cooking..but whats coming out of the over when the timer goes off?

1/8/05 10:52 AM  
Anonymous said...

As an engineer who has spent 20 years of his career helping to design the control systems that spray foam onto External Tank components I am deeply saddended by the current turn of events!

I would like to let everyone know that the people who work at the Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans give their All to make these tanks the best that can be made.

I remember well when the foam formulation was changed to eliminate freon as the "Blowing" agent. We spent several years re-qualifying the spray systems. We also noticed that the new foam had different characteristics and required more test sprays to validate it. All this was mandated by NASA to meet enviromental goals dictated by the Administration in power at that time.

After we changed the foam we started hearing about Shuttle tile getting dinged and gouged. Hey, it's not our fault you, (NASA), mandated the change. The point is, they knew about this years ago and did nothing! We told them that the new foam was different and they did nothing! They knew about it before 2001 when I left the program!

I agree it's time to go to a new vehicle design for space exploration.

If were smart the fastest way to get back into space is to keep the SRB's and External Tank. Put the next vehicle's manned component above the tank on a cargo carrier. That way you don't trash several billion dollars of manufacturing facillities that we paid for.

Thanks for letting me Rant!!

Richard, your doing a Great job!

bmatr003@access4less.net

1/8/05 10:55 AM  
bruno said...

So far Mr H is only a "messenger" of speculation, unless of course, we completely trust this whole inside source thing (the relationship of it, not the existence of it).
What I find interesting is that there was no response to the complexity of "failure engineering" issue and the unlikely probability that it could be pulled off.

...

PR - shmee-R: not the point; this is a diversion tactic.

What better opportunity to ground the fleet than with the disintegration of Colombia (because nothing has changed, especially in the last 2 1/2 yrs).
The "cabal" was given the opportunity on a platter with Colombia - now they spend all this time and money to come up with this current crisis? Way too risky.

Prediction - "they" already have a fully-assembled, next generation craft; the real PR problem is how to lay it on the public without the backlash of "secrecy."

1/8/05 11:02 AM  
Massimo IT said...

Bruno,
it is not a real problem following this line of thinking:
dismantle the shuttle fleet, launch a development project and take ten - fifteen years to complete it: you have earned at the end a new vehicle, fifteen years time, and a whole lot of money ("budget"). Feed the project with formerly classified technology meanwhile, and realign to state-of-the-art (but it will never happen, there will always be classified objects flying around ...:)

1/8/05 11:17 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

On 1 Aug 2005 there were 710 known Potentially Hazardous Asteroids

August 2005 Earth-asteroid encounters

ASTEROID DATE (UT) MISS DISTANCE
1992 UY4 August 8 16 LD

MAG.
12

Notes: LD is a "Lunar Distance." 1 LD = 384,401 km, the distance between Earth and the Moon. 1 LD also equals 0.00256 AU. MAG is the visual magnitude of the asteroid on the date of closest approach.

on July 26th we had this:


2000 AG6 July 22 8.7 LD 20

from spaceweather.com




Isn't the shuttle supposed to be landing on the 7th???

August 8th an object with a magnitude 12 is going to be at it's closest orbit next to earth the very next day???

AND

The Ark of Covenant on the 14th August...

WOW

Coincidences...

PS search for details on the object Search string = "1992+UY4"

and you see

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db?name=1992%2BUY4

No Matching Record
Search string = "1992+UY4"

Sorry. No object matches the specified search parameters. It is possible you've requested a newly discovered asteroid which hasn't been added to our database yet. For new objects, please check back later. Otherwise, use your browser to go back to the previous page and try again after double checking your search string and options.

Good luck!

GOOD FREAKING LUCK???

2BUY4

2 by 4

who the freak are they kidding...

Nice of them not to mention this close encounter with a Meteorite or UFO and list it as 2 by 4?

Reason the Seven Crew in space???

I'm seeing and smelling cow feaces all from NASA's little PR window...

Whew it's getting stinky in there...

J aka 'Brian'

1/8/05 11:24 AM  
Anonymous said...

Mr. H,

Care to comment on the Discovery Channel fluff piece that aired last night (7-31) about Deep Impact? If you missed it, you didn't miss much. Just the same tired docu-drama format with lots of "graphical depictions" of what was supposed to happen. The interviews with some of the program engineers were mildly interesting, but it is amazing how narrow the focus is within the "establishment". There were some impressive (from an animation perspective) simulations of the so-called process NASA astronomers and scientists **STILL** believe formed comets (dirty snowballs, what else?). Of course the same press release photos of the impact were trotted out and displayed, but no hard information or data, or even speculative conclusions were offered in the end, in spite of the stated mission goal of "finding out what comets are really made of". I for one was not surprised. All that could be said was Mr. A'Hearn will need "until retirement" to process all the data.

SMG from Minnesota

1/8/05 11:30 AM  
Wayne Davis said...

Wow! As someone just getting up to speed with all the info presented here and TEM, I just shake my head.
I sincerely hope that they won't sacrifice the crew. That would be the worst. I'd like to see some Apollo type ingenuity bring them back.
I have to agree that it's a very insidious way to get out of a losing situation just to move on to bigger and better things. I too would really like to know "what's coming out of the oven". Excellent work Richard!

1/8/05 11:31 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Bruno,

>So far Mr H is only a "messenger" of speculation, unless of course, we completely trust this whole inside source thing (the relationship of it, not the existence of it).<


I guess I don't fully understand your "question." A) our source is real. He gave us a "heads-up" last week -- a full day before it was even being discussed in the official meetings -- that NASA was considering an extension of the Shuttle Mission at Station. I reported same on "Coast" that night ... last week.

This decision was subsequently confirmed by NASA, and then officially incorporated into a day's additional extension of the Discovery Mission at the Station.

B) since this was only the latest in a string of extremely accurate "inside tips" from this same source, going back literally YEARS, I find the current information re a possible "hidden agenda" by a small handful of people in the Agency -- who wish to get rid of the Shuttle Program early AND the Space Station obligation for NASA -- equally compelling. It explains ALL the otherwise disparate "weirdness" were seeing around this Mission ....

How far this "cabal" (as I've termed them) would take their plans ... is currently UNKNOWN.

>What I find interesting is that there was no response to the complexity of "failure engineering" issue and the unlikely probability that it could be pulled off.<

I thought that was obvious: if this group really intends to KILL the Shuttle Program with THIS Mission, there is only ONE way to make absolutely sure the PUBLIC FOREVER grounds the Shuttle Program ... and that would be with a TOTAL LOSS of vehicle and crew, on reentry.

That's what we're trying to PREVENT, by going public with this possibility ....

You must read the recent addendum to my original article this morning. We have now posted "new news" ... and from a known MILITARY intelligence source, who has "gone public." His information seems to corroborate our own, totally independent source ....

How can I be clearer: this is a BAD situation ... and rapidly getting worse.

Hopefully, this wide exposure will put an end to it.

1/8/05 11:40 AM  
the old man from scene 24 said...

I have another theory.

Is it possible that these "crises" with the shuttle have been manufactured to somehow "prove" that the shuttle and its support are more durable and reliable than it seemed when Columbia fell?

Maybe I'm crazy. But first a sensor breaks and with great fanfare and chest thumping they scrub the launch because they don't want to take any chances!

Now you have these shims poking out from between a couple of tiles, which provide a perfect "repair" opportunity for a flight whose purpose is to practice this very kind of repair?

And now the whole shuttle fleet is grounded, just to be safe, once again showing us that NASA is taking no chances, by golly!

Could it all be a show? You know, like when you get two weeks advanced warning that the suits will be in the office and everything is cleaned up and everyone looks busy for the visit? Everybody does it, no matter where you work. Why not the shuttle?

Just an idea.

1/8/05 11:48 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

OMF24, I like your theory...

"...Could it all be a show? You know, like when you get two weeks advanced warning that the suits will be in the office and everything is cleaned up and everyone looks busy for the visit? Everybody does it, no matter where you work. Why not the shuttle?..."



This would mean in reality that the crew are safe.

And

We as the public don't need to worry...

However, the continued coincidences...

The object on August the 8th (7days from today)

1992 UY4

Magnitude 12

LD 16 Moon to earth lengths

Mean a pretty visible object in space at it's closest orbit to earth the day the shuttle was supposedly to land on the 7th (just six days from today)

The other space events also;

Huge sunspot 792 erupting blowing huge sun debri into space this next few days, glancing and hitting earth...

all of this on the face of a rushed space mission...

Coincidental (not) timing and dates

And

A lot of noise, covering up other huge agenda's

I seem to remember the Israeli goverment using massive Media events in other parts of the world to carry out acts of violence in relative news blackout, on their neighbours...

Why is it any difference in this case...

Two scenarios;

1. Crew is really in danger, therefore a real unplanned emergency...

2. They are up their with a facbricated failure event... masking the real truth, that soon they can no longer hide the truth...

Ass covering ?

Like your theory...

Do these match any coincidental others you may have thought about?

Also Note to self;

Just noted from Space weather.com that as of August the 1st there are 710 near earth objects

SEVEN TEN

710...OIL

just thinking out loud...

J aka 'Brian'

1/8/05 11:58 AM  
Paul said...

There is another possible scenerio. Doesn't the Shuttle have the computer capability to return from space unmanned? Leave the crew on the ISS, send the Shuttle back (to it's doom?) and return the crew by other means.

But what do I know. I'm not even a science fiction writer.

1/8/05 12:05 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

1971: Apollo 15 finds rock from birth of Moon
On the second day of the Apollo 15 mission, astronauts have uncovered a rock which may date back to the origin of the Moon.
The so-called Genesis rock was found by lunar module pilots David Scott and James Irwin when they dug into the slope of Spur crater, on the flank of the Apennine Mountains.

They were there on the second "moon safari", travelling for the first time in a custom-built lunar rover vehicle.

The rover, which looks like a four-wheeled Jeep, has enabled the astronauts to spend more time away from the lunar module than ever before, and to go several miles away from the lunar lander, Falcon.

'Sporty driving'

There was a small setback when the front-wheel steering failed soon after setting off for the first time yesterday.

"It's just sporty driving," commented Scott. "I've got to keep my eye on the road every second."

The fault was fixed in time for a longer drive today.

The astronauts have so far spent 18 hours on the surface of the moon in three major moonwalks.

They have collected 169 lbs (76.8kg) of moon rock from 12 different sites including Hadley Rille, an ancient channel believed to have been carved by torrents of flowing lava.

But the highlight has been today's discovery of the ancient crystallised rock, believed to be about 4,500 million years old - dating back to the time the Moon itself was formed.

Live on TV

All the astronauts' movements were followed in a live colour television transmission with unprecedented images of the Moon's highlands.

They included the 15,000 ft (4,500 metres) high Mount Hadley, towering over the landing site of the lunar capsule at the foot of the Apennine mountain range.

For the first time, the cameras were controlled from Earth, freeing up the astronauts to describe and explore what they were seeing.

At the end of today's seven-hour expedition, flight director Gerald Griffin said, "I think without doubt we've just witnessed the greatest day of scientific exploration that we've ever seen in the space programme - possibly of all time."

The experiments carried out by Apollo 15 were the most complex yet, and were originally planned for the cancelled Apollo 20 space mission.

The last three Apollo missions have now been cut, and there are just two more flights scheduled to the Moon, the last due to take off next year.

http://newssearch.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/1/newsid_4101000/4101579.stm




SHEESH, we were driving on the moon in Buggies the year I was born...

Are we gullible enough to believe that NASA is held back by heat tiles?

Something is up...

Come on NASA...

Dont lie or cover up the truth any more...

If we were driving on the moon in Buggies in 1971...

With the computing power of a Commodore 64K computer, less that a 100th of the desktop goliath I have now...

Why do you insist on conning us that Heat foam is preventing space exploration...

You have gotta be Kidding...

Am on your case NASA...

J aka 'Brian'

1/8/05 12:17 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

And after even just another cursory brief look over the data...

People didn't we say the space programme has been in decline since the 70's etc?

Well what if this is linked in some way to all of this:

"1971: Apollo 15 finds rock from birth of Moon
On the second day of the Apollo 15 mission, astronauts have uncovered a rock which may date back to the origin of the Moon."

also

"The experiments carried out by Apollo 15 were the most complex yet, and were originally planned for the cancelled Apollo 20 space mission.

The last three Apollo missions have now been cut, and there are just two more flights scheduled to the Moon, the last due to take off next year."

I wonder if that discover and the subsequent 'advanced experiments' were related to the demise of the space exploration...

The further entrenchment, that the capatolistic society we live in is doomed to decay as the truth regarding our advanced anscestory comes to light?

ooh yeah, it's heating up...

Heat shield anyone???

NASA you'd better get those crew home, safely and alive!!!

1/8/05 12:21 PM  
Anonymous said...

Reporting aboard new Captain's Blog (the last one has been thoughly saturated)
In my last post I described Major Ed Dames "predictions" on Coast-to-Coast last night and how he has predicted doom for the space shuttle, possibly from meteor shower and afterwards the Earth, at the hands of a series of super solar flares, some kind of solar Tsunami. Since my last post I have been thinking why Dames came up with the 15% probability of survival for the shuttle. Why not 10% or 20% or some other nice round number, since he was obviously pulling it out of his posterior? Then it came to me ...

15% = .15 = 3/20 = 1/6.6666....

Either this is another example of deliberate satanic ritual (numerological) terrorism OR.....
this specific number was inserted into Dame's mind as a Divine Thought to serve as a red warning flag for us....that we should beware of everything this person says.
Latest reports say that the "stuffing" is now coming out from between the tiles, in addition to broken tiles. Why are things getting so much worse, so much so that the astronauts must now be as terrified as rabbits in the headlights because of the realization of what they have been caught up in! Unfortunately, I think that Richard's latest blog is right on the mark, as far as NASA's motivation goes. First we have Karl Rove getting away with treason and now this! If anything happens to these 7 precious lives, somebody in NASA AND on 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. needs to NARF the GARFLOCK!

1/8/05 12:30 PM  
djbarney said...

Dear Richard Hoagland,

Sorry for my rather cryptic last messages, but they were there for a reason.

Now what about REAL "alien" contact ?:

I suspect that the so-called 'Greys' are not as scary as they first seem.
Now, even if they are friendly then such a meeting can set off natural
, instinctive 'predator' response cus' your actually seeing something
that, well you don't know how you're system is going to react.

These Greys....why do they hang around nuclear stuff sometimes ? Is'nt
it 'cus they're ALREADY on this planet...following a kind of co-evolution.
They are our friends ! They're just scared of freaking us out !

djbarney

1/8/05 12:43 PM  
Anonymous said...

Karl Rove is NOT guilty of treason, you moron.

1/8/05 1:06 PM  
Garold said...

Richard,

I certainly hope you are wrong about NASA's willingness to sacrifice a crew to make a point. I know it disgusts you as much or more than it does me. I too have had that thought this last week, that a failure to return the shuttle safely to Earth this time will be the absolute end of the money pit that is the shuttle program. Not that it hasn't been a productive venture, but it is time to explore other methods....just not this way.
I thought you and the others on here might be interested in this little piece I read on MSN earlier. The whole article was entitled :"Top 10 Technologies We Miss." This item was entitled "Manned Space Exploration."
It's been 33 years since humans have set foot on the moon or journeyed beyond the close orbit of the Earth. In other words, we've stopped exploring. Sure, robotic spaceships and Mars rovers are adding to our knowledge of the universe, but the last people to explore the final frontier are past retirement age--and so are the engineers who put them there. In other words, next time we go into space, we're going to have to retrain people from scratch. There may be no firsthand knowledge of what it's like to be in space or to build a space vehicle. This is progress?

Looks like someone else is tired of flying in circles too.

1/8/05 1:15 PM  
brian c said...

Does anybody know if the astronauts have web access in space? I've read they can send email, but not anything about web access.

Just wondering if there's even a possibility they could be reading any of this stuff. (Not just this blog, but say Ed Dames on C2C for example)

1/8/05 1:43 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

b4 going 4 a stroll on the beach and watching the sun set...

...mmmm...

two things that caught my interest;

"brian c said...
Does anybody know if the astronauts have web access in space? I've read they can send email, but not anything about web access.

Just wondering if there's even a possibility they could be reading any of this stuff. (Not just this blog, but say Ed Dames on C2C for example)"


Was wondering the same thing...

If so who can they email?

Can we email them?

Just questions...



It's been 33 years since humans have set foot on the moon or journeyed beyond the close orbit of the Earth.


there's that number again!!!

33

it's appearing in all the most odd places around NASA missions...

Sure it's 'coincidental'

but after spending $333 million on impacting comet Tempel One with a copper slug...

...it was just very coincidental...

...I'll just go measure Washington memorial again...

...333 feet...

well I'll be dammed!!!

I wonder who is behind wanting to stop space exploration...

...hmmmm

710...OIL

July 10th 2005 - December 10th 2005

Seven Fives...

Just questions

J aka 'Brian'

PS darn it's thundering like a 'mutha' here... Tropical storm 8 9 and 10 in the works above us here...

1/8/05 1:59 PM  
Anonymous said...

Taking Paul's thought one step further. What if the shuttle is put on auto pilot to return home and the crew stays in ISS, but no one knows their still there? On the way down the shuttle bites it. Then their picked-up by a black craft and they are never heard from again. Or half way back it's beam me up scotty from our alien partners.

FarFromTheTree

1/8/05 2:00 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Annonymous (FarFromTheTree),

"Anonymous said...
Taking Paul's thought one step further. What if the shuttle is put on auto pilot to return home and the crew stays in ISS, but no one knows their still there? On the way down the shuttle bites it. Then their picked-up by a black craft and they are never heard from again. Or half way back it's beam me up scotty from our alien partners.

FarFromTheTree"



Excellent, that's what I call thinking outside the box...

Yep that takes on a whole new dimension entirely...


Alright, throw this into the pot (as it were)....


...what if the object coming on the 8th of August, which now probably will coincide with some part of the 'late' return of the NASA Shuttle...

...The object is 1992 UY4 coming as close as 16 LD and is a magnitude 12 object, not that bright, but close enough to be strange with shuttle current wierdness...

so

If the shuttle crew is actually to link up with that object?

Just thinking like you...

1/8/05 2:06 PM  
Gerald T said...

Say a prayer for the crew, looks like they are going to need all the help they can get!

Meanwhile Mars Spirit Rover is still discovering all sorts of odd things upon Husband Hill.
My Mars blog has the latest strangeness to be found on the Red Planet.

http://marsrelaystation.blogspot.com/

1/8/05 2:30 PM  
PIF said...

I for one hope that the guys return safely, and then they end the shuttle program. It is obsolete and worn out 60's tech, and a compromise at that. As RCH says, it is about the money and the direction the program will take in the future. If it were not for all the huge entitlement programs (at the minimum), there would be ample money to keep the shuttle going and create the CEV. But there is not. So, if they keep going, I think, with the planned 19 or so future ISS service missions, that one will end in disaster. Better end the program now and move on to the long over due new vehicle. I think NASA is simpily 'between a rock and a hard place' when it comes to finding funds to keep the shuttle flying, completing the ISS, and creating a new vehicle.

The only danger is that all manned exploration would be killed by the trogdelites in Congress.

Also perhaps with the end of the shuttle program, the Russians would speed up completion of the Kilper and bring it online in time to finish the ISS. But then there would have to be some real economic reason for the Russians to follow this course.

1/8/05 2:46 PM  
Anonymous said...

you are on the money! i saw it myself a night or two ago when they came on tv with a "SPECIAL REPORT" to explain that there was (ANOTHER) drastic problem with the shuttle!! i almost laughed, because ive been following the shuttle program since day one, and this tile problem is not new. its blatantly obvious to me that nasa is manufacturing "DRAMA", pure and simple. they are making this shit up!!

1/8/05 2:54 PM  
the old man from scene 24 said...

OT.

10th planet unofficially named Xena.

Get it? Hardee har har. X... Xena. Oh, those jokers.

The discovery was announced by US scientists yesterday and the object has unofficially been named Xena, after the TV series starring Lucy Lawless. 'We have always wanted to name something Xena,' said Michael Brown, a member of the team that made the discovery using telescopes at the Palomar Observatory, outside San Diego, California.

Of course, there are arguments whether or not it is a true planet, I suppose because we are still debating what a comet is made of, much less a planet. Ten is such a nice round number, too. How metric.

1/8/05 3:37 PM  
There's no basement at the Alamo said...

Why not call just go ahead and name it Tena? Wouldn't that be a lark?

Hi, my name is Tena. I'll be your tour guide today. This is Pedro and Inez. They are grinding corn to make tortillas.

1/8/05 3:40 PM  
telepath said...

I never did understand why the foam wasn't engineered to be on the INSIDE of the tank in the first place.

1/8/05 4:02 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Just todays buffet of fear, hey public look over here! Have an extra helping of uncertainty, so we can look like the solution makers'. Again, more of the death premise or product. The story telling isn't well done or spun. Even if its all legit,wow, back to school on PR and basic communication. Even the dilemma of a transition to a better ship or a refocusing of intent to other aspects, this is almost schisophrenic and Hollywoodish. It smells because it looks like deflection and Richard's query about timing is right on. I have sincere regard for the astronauts, but lets stop worrying over them, this is what they do, it is always about risk. If they have run out of decent science to do, fine, next step. Looking at the situation in a clean way, why this convoluted mish mash of disconnects?

Perhaps we the public are actually not the concern, and its about other larger entities, like other countries, who may be trouble and not trustable at all to act "rightly". So if a charade is neccessary for the right reasons, should we be careful not to shoot ourselves in the foot?

1/8/05 4:02 PM  
Lesley said...

Nothing Ed Dames says should be taken seriously. There are many websites that keep track of his hit and miss rate and he mostly misses. Sometimes he stretches what he originally said to make it seem true like a earthquake 2000 miles away from where he predicted, but he is almost always wrong.

1/8/05 4:16 PM  
Anonymous said...

lesly, you are very lovely,
richard you are stupid ignorant and and an embittered old man with dreams that you will be a great man when all you are is a scam artist.

1/8/05 4:32 PM  
Anonymous said...

> Nothing Ed Dames says should be taken seriously. <

UFOs, building of the pyramids, hall of records, Atlantis, bigfoot, Loch Ness, Coral Castle, Cydonia, Templar treasures, JKF, 9/11, Bin Laden, missing children, wanted criminals.... the list is endless. I mean how much more can you all add to this? Stuff that you are dying to know the secrets of. Remote viewing became public in 1989... 16 years ago. Yet "professional" remote viewers have never solved these mysteries for us. 16 years! All they seem to do is peddle products and make predictions... when stunning secret after stunning secret should have be resolved and solved by now in these 16 years. These observations are undeniable... and the public is soon to catch up with this delinquency nonsense.

1/8/05 4:55 PM  
Kevin said...

Well here it is RC.
An article from the Chicago Tribune that is echoing your sentiments about a permanent end to the Shuttle program.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0507310397jul31,1,7203153.column?coll=chi-navrailnews-nav&ctrack=1&cset=true

1/8/05 5:29 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Anonymous,

>Richard you are stupid ignorant and and an embittered old man with dreams that you will be a great man when all you are is a scam artist.<

And you are obviously a coward, to hide behind "anonymity" -- while debasing an EXTREMELY serious discussion ... on an extremely serious topic, with REAL consequences.

How much are they paying you ...?

1/8/05 5:43 PM  
Watcher said...

The shuttle astronauts know that this is the WORST time to conduct space walks... but that is exactly what they must do in order to insure a safe re-entry.

This is clear from several reports from the NRC posted way back in 1999:
http://www.space.com/news/astronaut_radiation_991209.html

"A National Research Council (NRC) report released Thursday warns that there is a high probability that solar storms will take place during some station construction flights in the next few years, posing significant hazards to a spacewalking crew.While space shuttle astronauts spend relatively little time outside the protection of the spacecraft's hull, those building the space station will conduct extra-vehicular activities (EVA) for more than 1,500 hours over the course of dozens of flights -- and during the height of the sun's 11-year cycle, which peaks next year.

And that problem is compounded by NASA's acquiescence to Russian demands in 1993 that the station fly at a higher inclination orbit which makes the station more accessible for Russia but more vulnerable to space radiation.
(the shuttle is docked with ISS at this time)
NASA Johnson Space Center officials say they have not had time to read the report, and they declined comment. But the matter is obviously of enormous concern to astronauts worried about both the short- and long-term health effects of exposure to space radiation. The great solar storm of 1972 could have injured and even KILLED Apollo astronauts had they been on a lunar mission.

The NRC researchers also warn that there is a "non-negligible likelihood" that astronauts conducting spacewalks "could receive a radiation dose that is significant in terms of increased cancer risk and of reaching allowable dose limits." And it is also a matter of career: the report notes that "no astronaut wants to reach the short-term radiation limits, much less the career limit," which could put them on the sidelines permanently."

James McCanney has posted an alert on his site concerning this situation:
http://www.space.com/news/astronaut_radiation_991209.html

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to see the danger...just go here:

http://sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/xray_5m.html

1/8/05 5:54 PM  
Anonymous said...

Hackers Forced Announcement of 10th Planet Find

Is this news? I'm trying to let you know in case you don't: "According to The Inquirer, hackers gained access to the secure server where the data about the new planet was being held and threatened to reveal it. Evidently the discoverers have been withholding this information from the public since 2003 while they waited for full analysis."

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25031
http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/08/01/1846218.shtml?tid=160&tid=172&tid=14

I'm sorry those aren't necessarily the best sources, so raise shields, and keep your grain of salt handy.

1/8/05 5:57 PM  
Kevin said...

Another thing I'd like to point out or know for that matter is this ... why is this insulating foam problem something that has just reared it's ugly head ??? Why did we never hear of this happening on ANY of the previous shuttle launches. ALL 112 of them ... If this was occuring on most of the previous missions, why did we never hear about it as a very major safety concern ??? And if it had not happened on all 112 previous launches, why is it happening now ???
I think this is a very interesting angle to look at here since this is apparently such a new problem OR an old problem that never caused any major disasters in the past. I mean thinking about it ... a 1 pound or less piece of insulating foam ripping a hole in the wing of the Shuttle. Pa-leeze !!! If the damn shuttles were so vulnerable to damage from foam then what about other debris in space that would probably be much harder than foam ... a small meteorid for instance. Just the vigorous pounding of a launch would require a pretty sturdy machine and they try to tell us that foam wrecked it ??? I dunno mang ... I'm not an schooled engineer but I think given the chance I could build a better machine than all the PHD's working there now could. It just doesn't make sense that a vehicle built to withstand the rigors of liftoff and space travel could be ruined by a chunk of foam weighing less than 1 pound. Maybe they have seen this problem since the beginning and as RC has said they are looking for a reason, any reason to scrap the whole program so they can redirect funding to a newer design and this ridiculous vision of Bush's to go back to the Moon. The country is in economic shambles and they want to spend how much going back to where ??? If NASA, given all the damn money they have had over the years since the Shuttles started flying, didn't put some of that money into upgrading or redesigning the whole damn machine then something is wrong. They should already have a prototype by now and it should have been flight tested already.

The crap just keeps on piling up as they say.

1/8/05 6:02 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

After scanning some of my other favourite blogs,

www.surfingtheapocolypse.com

And found this...

Someone else has noticed the numerological coincidence with NASA, and this person explains it so much better than me...

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/blog-05july.htm#072905

July 29, '05 Discovery - Templar Revelation
Discovery Docks at Space Station, Nine Astronauts Aboard ISS

And we now have...

Discovery
Time Coincidence
Launch 10:39 am EDT Time same as final launch of Columbia (EST)
Docking at ISS 7:18 am EDT
(1118 GMT/London) Knights Templar founded in 1118 AD in Jerusalem
Crew of nine enters ISS 8:50 am EDT Time same as 3 train explosions in London 7/7 (BST); Templars originally had nine members

So this is... fascinating, isn't it? It appears the launch-time 'coincidence' of Discovery and Columbia noted before was just the beginning of a series of time-based clues, or in this case, confirmations of the symbolic pattern already detected.

I could not have made it clearer in my last two posts since July 15, especially the previous one, that the symbolism found encoded in July's world events, including Discovery, had to do with the Holy Grail and naturally its traditional guardians, the Knights Templar. Discovery's docking at the ISS, in particular, was emphasized as a highly 'ritualistic' Grail event. And we just saw a not-too-subtle manifestation of this theme.

The space shuttle docked with the space station at 7:18 am EDT which was 1118 GMT Greenwich Mean Time or in effect 'London Time'. It was in 1118 AD that the Knights Templar - or 'The Order of the Poor Knights of Christ and the Temple of Solomon' - was founded in Jerusalem, at the time having only nine members. Apart from Jesus' and King Arthur's time, this represents the 'Ground Zero' of the semi-historical saga of the 'Holy Grail' and/or its alter ego, 'Ark'. The Templar knights have been popularly regarded as the ultimate protectors of the holy relic, a relic that they seem to have sought and found in the Holy Land while quietly excavating the Temple Mount, the site of the Dome of the Rock and Solomon's Temple.

The combination of 'Rock' and 'Temple', along with the already discussed meteoric nature of the Grail/Ark (stone), strongly resonates with Comet Tempel 1, the comet that was was hit by NASA's Deep Impact just weeks ago on July 4. Seen as 'Temple 1' the comet would represent 'First Temple' as in Solomon's Temple from which the Templars took their name, as well as, via etymology, 'Time 1' as in Greenwich Mean Time which is the time marked by the Prime Meridian passing through London, and the time zone used by Discovery to mark the '1118' point. London is also the historical center of Freemasonry which, particularly through its Scottish Rite branch, inherited a lot of Templar traditions.

I find it very crafty that London was independently highlighted through the entry of the nine astronauts - like the nine original Templars - into the ISS, by timing it to coincide with the recent high-impact time of the 7/7 London Underground bombings (8:50 am).

The Grail, Templars, London, Columbus, Discovery, ISS, Deep Impact/Tempel 1... These have all been shown on this site to coherently interact on a symbolic level to tell a 'Grail story'. And we just had a clear enough 'acknowledgment' of this via the 'sexual' docking of the the space shuttle, using the pre-signaled time-driven code scheme.

1/8/05 6:13 PM  
Kevin said...

Not so sure about this numbers game. I know they use them and symbology in everything they do but this sticks out in my mind. If the numbers were so crucial to the mission/agenda then why would they cancel the launch that was first set ??? If they do things by the numbers then that date and time was the most crucial.
The deal is ... if they can't go they can't go ... simple. And if the numbers had to jive then they would have launched on time running with the first set of numbers.
I don't think the numbers paint the whole picture ... pun intended.

1/8/05 6:29 PM  
Fusion Knight said...

If I was Bill Gates, or at least if I had a bank account like his, I would buy the shuttle fleet and the ISS in a second. You know how expensive it is to get stuff up there in the first place??

Anyway, Richard,

A thought I've had about Iapetus that I wanted to suggest to you. NASA has been claiming that Iapetus is likely made out of dirty ice because its density is slightly greater than that of water. I look at the images, and I don't see ice anywhere. What if the density is so low because it's hollow?

1/8/05 6:32 PM  
Sean Cotoz said...

For the record, it was me who wrote this:

UFOs, building of the pyramids, hall of records, Atlantis, bigfoot, Loch Ness, Coral Castle, Cydonia, Templar treasures, JKF, 9/11, Bin Laden, missing children, wanted criminals.... the list is endless. I mean how much more can you all add to this? Stuff that you are dying to know the secrets of. Remote viewing became public in 1989... 16 years ago. Yet "professional" remote viewers have never solved these mysteries for us. 16 years! All they seem to do is peddle products and make predictions... when stunning secret after stunning secret should have be resolved and solved by now in these 16 years. These observations are undeniable... and the public is soon to catch up with this delinquency nonsense.

I only hit the anonymous identity for ease. But considering there might be anonymous people now wanting to trash Richard, I will be sure and always use my name if or when I make a comment.

And to whoever wrote that Richard was ignorant... well that person needs to look up 'ingorance' in the dictionary. Mr. Hoagland has never shown me any signs of being ignorant. Of course we all know this.

Sean C.

DAG Director
www.directactiongroup.com

1/8/05 6:35 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Lesley,

>Nothing Ed Dames says should be taken seriously. There are many websites that keep track of his hit and miss rate and he mostly misses. Sometimes he stretches what he originally said to make it seem true like a earthquake 2000 miles away from where he predicted, but he is almost always wrong.<


I think you missed my point.

I'm NOT "crediting" Dames' "remote viewing," or his track record (or lack of it!), with ANYTHING.

Given my personal history with Major Dames and "Cydonia" (a story for another time ...), and his DEEP connections to the whole "black world" of Military Intelligence ... I am taking his "Discovery prediction" last night on Art's Show as ANOTHER "set-up" -- to push the public into DEMANDING the entire Shuttle Program be canceled ... if "the worst outcome" is literally MADE to happen.

If I didn't have a completely independent, completely TRUSTWORTHY source for my own NASA "inside" information (a source actually ALSO in the "intelligence community"), I wouldn't be giving Dames "the time of day."

But, it's the "coincidence" of these TWO totally separate assessments -- ultimately coming from the SAME "higher source" (in my opinion), Military Intelligence -- which adds such weight now to the Dames' "prediction."

In other words: I think he's telling us EXACTLY what THE PLAN is, for his own reasons: to doom this Shuttle, for the "larger program reasons" I've previously cited!

And, by exposing that, it is my hope that we can CHANGE that entire, dire Plan -- if it truly extends to its MOST pernicious form ... another fatal "Shuttle accident!!"

1/8/05 6:42 PM  
wayne5 said...

This is a test of the blog system.

1/8/05 6:51 PM  
wayne5 said...

For the last two years I've thought that the real danger to the shuttle was what we don't see.
The insulation would hit the under side and turn into a "powder". The powder would invade the seam between the tiles and heat up during reentry. Expansion of some kind, chemical or just thermal, would take place exposing the craft.

1/8/05 7:06 PM  
Kevin said...

Richard, I was wondering ( regarding the Columbia destruction) if you were aware of that picture taken of the plasma trail left by Columbia as it was re-entering ??? It was a photo apparently taken by an amatuer that captured what was allegedly that plasma trail left by Columbia and also what looks to be a Megabolt of electrical discharge that found it's way to the plasma trail, which as we all know is a very good conductor ( better than thin air ), and followed the trail down until it more than likely made contact with the Shuttle and most likely caused catastrophic consequences. I'm not buying the foam damage scenario since I have just read the New York Times scathing blast of NASA's handling of the whole mess. In it they did speak of falling debris problems on some of the much earlier launches. And they more or less decided it wasn't a problem after many safe returns. But this curious photo of what appears to be a very large electrical discharge making contact with the plasma trail of the Shuttles re-entry path is what interests me. The kicker is the fact that after the discharge made contact with the trail, the trail has more intensity ( brightness ) down the trail towards the shuttle. Before the discharge contact point the trail is less intense in brightness.
So my question I guess is ... are you aware of this information ??? And what is your opinion if so ???

1/8/05 7:32 PM  
Bithead said...

Were can I order you videos online...I found the GOD, MAN and ET DVD but the other MArs videos I really want to get.

Thanks

1/8/05 7:36 PM  
wayne5 said...

We will not default on the ISS because we can't. If it looks like we can't finish (just looks like much less a public admission) the Russians WILL find a way to take advantage of our weakness. I agree that some people at nasa are in a world of hurt. They secretly wanted to see the end of the shuttle thinking that it would benefit them. Now they are having second thoughts. Uncertainty in this high profile area effects everyone at nasa, and their starting to realize it. The "Ultra-ego" that some of these people have, can not be satisfied by black projects alone. They NEED public accolades. Richard, I would expect to see some "strange bed fellows" emerging. People you would never expect to become accurate sources contacting you with gifts you can't resist. Stay frosty man!

1/8/05 7:52 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Kevin,

>Richard, I was wondering ( regarding the Columbia destruction) if you were aware of that picture taken of the plasma trail left by Columbia as it was re-entering ??? It was a photo apparently taken by an amatuer that captured what was allegedly that plasma trail left by Columbia and also what looks to be a Megabolt of electrical discharge that found it's way to the plasma trail, which as we all know is a very good conductor ( better than thin air ), and followed the trail down until it more than likely made contact with the Shuttle and most likely caused catastrophic consequences. I'm not buying the foam damage scenario since I have just read the New York Times scathing blast of NASA's handling of the whole mess. In it they did speak of falling debris problems on some of the much earlier launches. And they more or less decided it wasn't a problem after many safe returns. But this curious photo of what appears to be a very large electrical discharge making contact with the plasma trail of the Shuttles re-entry path is what interests me. The kicker is the fact that after the discharge made contact with the trail, the trail has more intensity ( brightness ) down the trail towards the shuttle. Before the discharge contact point the trail is less intense in brightness.

>So my question I guess is ... are you aware of this information ??? And what is your opinion if so ???<

I had an identical question in another, earlier thread ... and answered it in some detail. Please go find it ....

I CAN'T keep typing the same stuff over and over! :)

1/8/05 7:59 PM  
robert said...

Why are they cuting or pulling the tile filler OUT of the way rather than trying to stuff it back IN the hole between the tiles!?

These fillers are necessary because each tile must have 'wiggle room' as the shuttle flexes during flight and re-entry. With no 'filler' between these two sets of tiles, we now will have at least TWO possible entry points where the super heated hot plasma of re-entry can go straight down past the tiles and actually touch the aluminum skin of the orbiter directly! !

It would make more sense to me, being a 'common sense' kind of feller that if you have a hole filled to AVOID heated plasma going into that space between tiles, that REMOVING that filler will only allow that plasma a DIRECT and UNIMPEDED path to the actual aluminum skin UNDER the tiles. The BEST method would be to PUSH the filler back INTO the gap and then use some of that goop they tried, one of which was reported to work well, as new 'glue' to hold the filler in place for re-entry.

Removing the protection to cover the gap between tiles will only allow DIRECT and IMMEDIATE and UNIMPEDED access of hot plasma to the thin and highly vunerable skin of the orbiter itself. period. Common Sense. Brutal Truth.

Thanx again to Richard for having the cajhones to simply tell it like it is...and to his sources who I ask if they are reading this to PLEASE keep us informed, try to gain allies within and without the agency; thank you for your courage in approaching and dealing in information to Richard that is vital to those of us out here who not only follow the space program, but have taken steps to increase our knowledge and acquire tools to do the image and data analysis once only done by those within the agency. There are an ever increasing number of people who can create color images from THEMIS, ODYSSEY, MEX, MERS and the upcoming MRO. We are NOT sheeple or simpletons. We NEED access to OUR data.

Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.com

1/8/05 7:59 PM  
Kevin said...

Another thing that has my curiousity piqued is the actual return time and date for Discovery.
I just did a google for the return date and came up empty. Anyone here know when they plan to bring her back ???
I hope and pray it's not August 6th !!!
Serious Masonic numbers in that date !!! I have heard that the Discovery is to return in about 1 weeks time and that places it right around the 6th. Bad Omen ...

1/8/05 7:59 PM  
Kevin said...

Sorry RC,
I'm still pretty new here ... missed that one. RE: Columbia disaster due to electric discharge.
Maybe you can give me directions to the thread so I can read it.
I take it from your non-response here that you don't buy it at any rate.
I can't rule it out myself. Given that we have things like Elves and Sprite in the upper atomosphere, it cannot be ruled out.
Sorry

1/8/05 8:03 PM  
Anonymous said...

This is such a hot topic that I just have to throw in my two bits.

First, Richard Hoagland is a hero. He is a real life Bernard Quatermass. If you don't know know who Bernard Quatermass is, then do a Google search.
When it came to getting things done, spacewise, Quatermass kicked ass.

My hunch is that we are inside yet another "disinformation" hall of mirrors.
There is something cooking at Nasa headquarters, and it stinks real bad.

Robert Kennedy Jr. calls the Bush administration a neo-fascist regime. He uses Mussolini's definition of fascism which is an extreme right-wing governemnt owned, and corrupted, by large corporations.
Another name for it is Corporatism.

I mentioned that because all governemnt programs are tainted, and corrupted, by this neo-Fascist corporatism.

The Bush Cabal, as I like to call it, has let our soldiers sicken and die from depleted uranium dust, they let the terrorists destroy the World Trade Center, when they could have prevented it, thus murdering second-hand 3,000 human beings.
They allow massive amounts of drugs into our country, they allow illegal immingrants to flood the USA, as a source for cheap labor.
In short, they kill, and murder, innocent people, for gain.
They are monsters.

The openess of NASA concerning the mothballing of the Shuttle Fleet is peculiar, and it smells to high heaven, literally.
Are they preparing us for the death of the crew?
They can't blame the terrorists on this one, or is some crazed terrorist hiding in the ISS; a stowaway from a Russian vehicle?

If the crew survives, I advocate a strike by the entire astronaut corp, and a even a lawsuit against NASA for endangering the lives of this crew.

The ISS has always been a piece of crap, in my opinion, and a gigantic waste of money. It is one of tha all time top pork barrel scams of the USA.
Why not let it fall into the ocean.

As for the future of Manned Expeditions and Colonizations:

This American Corporate neo-fascism doesn't want, in my opinion, the rabble of the earth into space. It made sure this wouldn't happen probably as far back as the middle of the 1960s, following John Kennedy's assasination, and construction of the American Garrison State.
Was Kennedy's assasinnation a military-corporate coup?

I find it extrememly odd that not one human being has stepped on the surface of another planet, in 30 plus years.
One theory has it that the aliens have quarantined the human race to the earth, and low-earth orbit.
Hmmmm, maybe, but what is going to happen when the Chinese send some humans to the Moon.
Or will China be a blasted nuclear desert before that?

Something evil is keeping us on this planet. But what is it?
Is it the evil machinations of Mussolini style corporate fascism? Is it aliens?
Is it just human self-destruction, and stupidity?

But, then again, do we really want the human race to "infest" the galaxy?
If I had a working, inexpensive, "controlled gravity" engine, would I give it to the world?
Honestly, I don't know.

If I had an "infinite energy machine" that anyone could afford, would I give it to the world?
I don't know.

What would the human race, in it's present emotional, ethical and moral, immaturity, do with inifinite energy, and unlimited space travel capability?

Do I end up siding with whomever the "quarantiners" are?

It is a tough question for me.

Also, is there a secret American space program that has discovered "controlled gravity" and which is at this very moment exploring space? That thought scares the heck out of me.

It could be that the public space program is all Hollywood style baloney, and always has been. That it is a magician's trick to prevent us from seeing the Real space program.

Why didn't the USA use Von Braun's scheme for going to the Moon, instead of the Apollo one jump method?

Finally, and here I really go out on a limb; did the Nazi's really lose the Second World War.
The Bush family; Odessa Texas, The Texas Bunds, hmmmmm?

Then again, maybe all of human history is an experiment by intelligent dinosaurs, to see what mammalian apes would do with high intelligence.
Maybe they are going to end the experiment, or wait until we do, with our nuclear weapons.
Rewind the film, the asteroid zooms back into space, and the dinosuars inherit the earth.
"Human Experiment: Forget it"

I would advice the shuttle crew to let the Russians bring them home.

1/8/05 8:19 PM  
Anonymous said...

Major Head Games is a joke. If he told me it was going to rain tomorrow I would leave my umbrella at home.

Ten Alp

1/8/05 8:26 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Robert,

>Why are they cutting or pulling the tile filler OUT of the way rather than trying to stuff it back IN the hole between the tiles!?


Damfino! :)


>These fillers are necessary because each tile must have 'wiggle room' as the shuttle flexes during flight and re-entry. With no 'filler' between these two sets of tiles, we now will have at least TWO possible entry points where the super heated hot plasma of re-entry can go straight down past the tiles and actually touch the aluminum skin of the orbiter directly! !<


Amen!!


>It would make more sense to me, being a 'common sense' kind of feller that if you have a hole filled to AVOID heated plasma going into that space between tiles, that REMOVING that filler will only allow that plasma a DIRECT and UNIMPEDED path to the actual aluminum skin UNDER the tiles. The BEST method would be to PUSH the filler back INTO the gap and then use some of that goop they tried, one of which was reported to work well, as new 'glue' to hold the filler in place for re-entry.<

Double amen ... :)


>Removing the protection to cover the gap between tiles will only allow DIRECT and IMMEDIATE and UNIMPEDED access of hot plasma to the thin and highly vunerable skin of the orbiter itself. period. Common Sense. Brutal Truth.


Unless, of course, this is the "subtle" means "someone" has chosen to End The Shuttle Program -- as I warned this morning!

Seems COMPLETELY counterintuitive to me ....

1/8/05 8:34 PM  
Sean Cotoz said...

> even a lawsuit against NASA for endangering the lives of this crew <

I like this slant. And these types of lawsuits, whether they pan out or not, can attract attention from the mainstream media. However, I am sure the shuttle crew knows of the risks of going into space, and have probably signed on the dotted line. But another form or subject of a lawsuit against NASA might be suitable. But of course, these efforts costs money.

1/8/05 8:34 PM  
Lesley said...

Richard said
>I think you missed my point.

I'm NOT "crediting" Dames' "remote viewing," or his track record (or lack of it!), with ANYTHING.<

It was not my intention to have you think that I in anyway thought you were crediting Dames. I am merely pointing out that given Dames bad track record on predictions that it is possible we have nothing to worry about since he is almost always wrong.

1/8/05 8:43 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Anonymous,

>Major Head Games is a joke. If he told me it was going to rain tomorrow I would leave my umbrella at home.<


Do you know anything about how Military Intelligence (and I will not repeat the old joke ... again) REALLY works?

Dames has made himself (on orders ..?) VERY public -- for years. Folks like you look at his consistent NON-TRACK RECORD vis a vis "remote viewing" ... and dismiss him. That way he's ALSO made himself "invisible" ....

But, what if he's really been "an asset in place" ALL ALONG --- for when the shit REALLY hits the fan?! And, his assignment now is to "let the insiders KNOW" what's about to happen.

THAT'S why his simultaneously "predicting" the Shuttle's DOOM last night ... together with my totally separate source -- is SO essential to pay attention to.

I'm really feeling that "something" BAD is about to happen ... unless we put a stop to it -- Big Time.

1/8/05 8:51 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Lesley,

>It was not my intention to have you think that I in anyway thought you were crediting Dames. I am merely pointing out that given Dames bad track record on predictions that it is possible we have nothing to worry about since he is almost always wrong.<

Please read carefully what I just wrote in answer to another question on this same, crucial subject: what if Dames has been DELIBERATELY "wrong" for all these years ... so he would be IGNORED by almost everyone ... until he was "activated" to tell the "in crowd" that the REAL stuff was about to hit the fan!!

NOT from "remote viewing," but from the folks who are literally MAKING IT HAPPEN -- the good ol' "black ops" crowd ....

Using mass media (like "Coast") to send "heads-up messages" at critical times, simultaneously to a LOT of "important folks," is OLD hat: just look at any World War II spy movie .... :)

No, this MUST be taken seriously, if it is as I believe is being planned ... so we can STOP it!!

1/8/05 9:00 PM  
Fusion Knight said...

Somebody said...

"The ISS has always been a piece of crap, in my opinion, and a gigantic waste of money. It is one of tha all time top pork barrel scams of the USA.
Why not let it fall into the ocean."

The ISS is not a piece of crap. It is a 365 day/year living and working environment for human beings in LOE. I grant you the money could have been spent better, BUT IT'S UP THERE!!!

I can't believe that anybody would suggest crashing it into the ocean. I still can't believe the debacle of the Mir deorbit. Once an exceptionally expensive and massive piece of equipment is in orbit, it should NEVER be deorbited, unless ALL POSSIBLE uses are exhausted.

Why couldn't Mir be attached to ISS? Why can't ISS be moved out into a higher orbit? Anything and everything that is ever boosted into orbit CAN and SHOULD be used. It's just totally assinine that we spend $100,000/lb to get something into orbit, and then just say, "oh well, guess we don't want that any more. Kiss that $$ goodbye!"

That kind of thinking makes me sick.

1/8/05 9:00 PM  
Kevin said...

Always leave it to the good ol anons to hit some nails on the head. The Nazi's are certainly alive and well in the good ol USA. Von Braun was one of them ... Operation Paperclip anyone ???
Also I am very aware of certain technologies that would make our visits at least to low Earth orbit very safe and inexpensive, hence a secret space program that we aren't supposed to know about. If I had a billion in funding I could build a massive fleet of safe spacecraft. I agree that the elites do not want the common grunt in space lest they really find out what's going on. As for the Reptilian's, they never became extinct and they still walk the Earth. At no point in time has there ever been a total lack of life on this rock ... so why couldn't some of the oldest lifeforms ie. dino's, survive the last major extinction event ??? And with a few hundred million years of evolution they would be pretty damned smart and evolved, especially the smaller ones.
The quarantine scenario is very possible. If there are peaceful races of beings out there and I were one of them, I would not want humans in their present capacity and mindset to be running around with dangerous toys. I have wondered about free energy black boxes myself since I could probably make one given a few bucks for parts and test equipment ... and would I give them out or sell them ... maybe to just a few select individuals who can keep their mouths shut about it. The only way this kind of tech is gonna get out to the average Joe is through an underground black market. As soon as you file for a patent, you are in the target sites of the big Oil brats. I feel on a gut level that we have the technology to go into space with much safer equipment but to bring it out would let the cat out of the bag so there you are ...
I believe that humans never originated on this lump of rock in the 1st place so as for human infestation of the Galaxy ... well it's already infested. Only difference is ... is that these other humans have a more evolved sensibility and do not run around blowing things up just because they can for a few schekels or shiny bobbles.
We have not been told about the real origins of life here so whatever misconceptions you may have ... get rid of them now because what will be revealed is gonna blow yer noodle.
I guess that's all I have to say about that ...

1/8/05 9:05 PM  
wayne5 said...

The shuttle will land with all hands abord, uneventful. The "powers that be" intimidate us, even threaten us because they want us to invade the universe! They respect courage and they want to see some. I am not afraid. I am not afraid of fallen angels, or giants, or et's of any sort, or asteroids, or nuclear weapons or weapons that we have never thought of. I am not afraid of how first contact will affect my faith or my life or the lives of my children. I am simply not afraid. The best laid plans of the worst people in history have laid the foundation for good things, in spite of them. When things look like they are going to hell is the time to get excited about what's comming next.

Warp Speed Scotty!
I feel lucky!

1/8/05 9:14 PM  
Lesley said...

Richard said
>Please read carefully what I just wrote in answer to another question on this same, crucial subject: what if Dames has been DELIBERATELY "wrong" for all these years ... so he would be IGNORED by almost everyone ... until he was "activated" to tell the "in crowd" that the REAL stuff was about to hit the fan!!<

Yeah, I get your point on that. Although, I still think it is likely Dames will be wrong as always. If he is not wrong I will know you are absolutely right, because he can't just go from always being wrong to getting sometime big like that right.

BTW, glad to have you here in albuquerque.

1/8/05 9:16 PM  
Anonymous said...

First off, Richard, it’s nice to see you here actively participating!

I’ve got a couple question/ideas.

Could there be a reason that NASA would want to leave the shuttle at ISS permanently? I’m thinking of a scenario where Russian capsules are used to rescue the astronauts three at a time leaving the shuttle and ISS empty. I think I remember years ago reading something you wrote about the ISS being built to go somewhere…..

What do you put the odds at that the current NASA administrator knows about another already working vehicle that could bring our people home? Do you really think we have one?

Continuing on, if the evolutionary technologies you speak about really exist and are introduced to the public I think you would agree that they would destroy entire industries. (Don’t misinterpret, I think that would be good overall.) Do you think our government is capable of aligning our society in such a way that the new jobs working with the new technology could fill in the gaps before chaos took over?

1/8/05 9:19 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Wayne5,

>The shuttle will land with all hands abord, uneventful. The "powers that be" intimidate us, even threaten us because they want us to invade the universe! They respect courage and they want to see some. I am not afraid. I am not afraid of fallen angels, or giants, or et's of any sort, or asteroids, or nuclear weapons or weapons that we have never thought of. I am not afraid of how first contact will affect my faith or my life or the lives of my children. I am simply not afraid. The best laid plans of the worst people in history have laid the foundation for good things, in spite of them. When things look like they are going to hell is the time to get excited about what's comming next.<


One of the key ways that you -- all of you -- can insure THAT happens ... is by clicking on the little white envelope on the "Blog" page, next to the "comments" link at the bottom of the Blog ... and sending the latest "Captain's Blog" to AS MANY FOLKS AS YOU BELIEVE WILL LISTEN ... and a lot who won't! :)

Every media outlet, every chat room, every other blog you know ....

If we shine enough light on this whole rotten mess, those planning ANYTHING disasterous around Discovery's return CANNOT then allow it to unfold ... because it will CONFIRM everything our source has said could happen!

It's THAT simple ... Robert ... Wayne5 ... everyone. :)

I'll be on at the top of "Coast" tonight -- again -- to continue this entire "awakening" process ....

1/8/05 9:31 PM  
Herbert said...

The Columbia disaster in bible code:

http://digilander.libero.it/asali/columbia2.htm

1/8/05 9:50 PM  
wayne5 said...

Richard,
I am glad to hear you are going to be on tonight. You bring MEAT to the usual soup bones I hear. I'm hungry and you have set a high standard for yourself. You are not arrogant in your righteous indignation. You speek well, and I support you.

1/8/05 10:02 PM  
wayne5 said...

speak hehe

1/8/05 10:03 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Wayne5,

>I am glad to hear you are going to be on tonight. You bring MEAT to the usual soup bones I hear. I'm hungry and you have set a high standard for yourself. You are not arrogant in your righteous indignation. You speek well, and I support you.<


Thanks. :)

1/8/05 10:05 PM  
Kevin said...

I don't see the updated schedule for Coast tonight. No mention of RCH on Coast tonight.
Better get George to tell Lex to update the page.

1/8/05 10:06 PM  
robert said...

For those unfamliar with a vast listing of contact information for a whole host of vital outlets please see:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/help.htm

Richard, looking forward to upcoming show. Like I stated, cutting OUT the filler to allow direct access of the plasma to the skin of the craft seems anti-CommonSense to me. These fillers were put there to keep that plasma OUT of the spaces between tiles. Allowing plasma into TWO spaces will only allow the plasma to get UNDER other tiles and strip a whole section like a zipper effect down the underside of the belly of the shuttle. A sure way to loose the vehicle.

If that happens then someone should be prosecuted for mass murder. It's that simple.

Everyone shold remember that Area 51 DOES have ground to orbit and beyond vechiles capable of space flight cheaply, routinely, and most importantly more safely than the shuttle. It is CRIMINAL of this cabal to keep shooting dice with Astronaut lives. 14 have died in Challenger n Columbia. 3 died in Apollo 1 even though they were WARNED about the high oxygen atmosphere of the capsule. The cabal has proven their willingness to sacrifice innocent lives for a global agenda.

Let's not add another shuttle crew. Removing the filler between tiles is a stupid move that allows hot plasma direct access to the aluminum skin and the underside of the tiles adjacent to that open slit. Tiles will fall off like a zipper opening the belly of the spacecraft to its doom.

Bob...

1/8/05 10:22 PM  
Sean Cotoz said...

Some Tempel 1 topics being presented at the 37th Division for Planetary Sciences (DPS) Meeting, Sept 4-9, 2005. Note all the hints of superb photographs:

"On 4 July, Deep Impact delivered a 19-GJoule impact to the nucleus of comet Tempel 1. The impactor provided the highest resolution photographs ever of a cometary nucleus showing features a few m in size. The nuclear size was very close to what was predicted from remote sensing data prior to launch, but the axial ratio was smaller than predicted. The topography was unlike that of other comets visited by spacecraft and showed for the first time features that appear to be impact craters a few hundred meters in diameter. The flyby spacecraft observed the cratering event with both visible imaging and near-IR spectroscopy. The solid ejecta were primarily microscopic in size and the crater formation was controlled primarily by gravity, as the team had suggested prior to the encounter. H2O and CO-2 were very hot in the initial ejecta and previously unseen, still unidentified spectral features were seen in the near-IR."
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/110.htm

"Deep Impact has acquired high resolution images of the nucleus of comet 9P/Tempel 1 during its successful encounter with the comet, through all three imaging cameras onboard, obtaining resolutions up to 16 m/pixel prior to the impact. With the shape model (Thomas et al. 2005 DPS) developed from disk-resolved images, preliminary photometric analysis at phase angle 63\circ shows a dark surface similar to those of other comets and dark type asteroids."
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/347.htm

"Deep Impact conducted both an active cratering experiment on comet 9P/Tempel 1 and obtained the most detailed imaging of a comet's surface. Imaging at less than 10 m/pixel gave excellent data on the overall shape, and surface morphology of the nucleus. "
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/219.htm

"Deep Impact images reveal the complex geologic history of the nucleus of Tempel 1 and show clear evidence of layering. The surface morphology of Tempel 1 is quite distinct from those observed by Deep Space 1 and Stardust on Borrelly and Wild 2, respectively. At least three stratigraphic units can be identified, two of which display evidence of cratering. The third unit, of enigmatic origin and more than 20 meters in thickness, is characterized by remarkable smoothness on meter scales, suggestive of a texturally homogeneous composition. No obvious source areas for jets have been identified on morphological grounds. Several regions about a km in extent appear to provide safe touch-down areas for future landers and sample return spacecraft."
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/216.htm

Other space topics during this conference:
http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/dps2005block.html

Sean

1/8/05 10:26 PM  
Anonymous said...

911 was an inside job

1/8/05 10:51 PM  
Anonymous said...

Go back and listen to Art's show with Ed Dames. He said the chance of his being wrong about the series of events leading to the killshot as 15%. The shuttle being in danger was a whole other discussion.

1/8/05 11:38 PM  
City Troll said...

God I just hope they get Home safe. Personally I hope the Cabal gets its wish, in the sense that we finish the new vehicle and get back to the moon as soon as possible. That is where we need to be NOT in ISS. screw the Russians and everyone else and lets get back to the moon before the Chi Coms.

My prayers are with the Crew.

1/8/05 11:44 PM  
Dave said...

>Also, is there a secret American space program that has discovered "controlled gravity" and which is at this very moment exploring space? That thought scares the heck out of me.<

Where do you think the TRILLIONS of black budget funds stolen from all Departments of the Govt. go to? Spy satellites & eavesdropping junk? Heck, the Pentagon alone is MISSING at LEAST 1.1 TRILLION dollars! That's 1,100,000,000,000!! That's not even counting the billions that go into the on-the-record, OFFICIAL Black Budget.

http://www.whereisthemoney.org/

A very detailed look at the true extent of the Black Budget can be found at http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-Black-Budget.htm

It's my opinion that we already have active bases on the Moon and Mars. This quarantine you speak of is enforced by our black op elite, nothing more.

Here's a good article by somebody who stumbled onto the problem...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm

Think about it seriously. I think we can all agree that at the very least NASA has found some strange stuff on Mars. Do you think the massive intelligence agencies are just sitting around waiting for NASA to get off the ground? The NASA we see is just like a "reality" TV show; secretly scripted for mass consumption, and designed to keep us distracted.

This is all just my opinion, of course. But putting the dots together isn't that difficult.

I don't want to ignore the specter of Peak Oil putting a huge dent in thier plans, because even tho they possess anti-gravity tech, they still need the support of a complex economy to keep things running smoothly. If that goes under, they're up the creek without a paddle. Hence Iraq.

Despite all this, it's a pretty exciting time to be alive, isn't it?

Dave

1/8/05 11:52 PM  
Anonymous said...

Here's a discussion on the topic.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/02/0050254

Richard, I took the liberty of reposting your current blog entry there.. Hope you
don't mind. It may bring people to your blog here as I linked to it too.

2/8/05 12:02 AM  
macca379 said...

Astronaut named to remove gap filler

"An astronaut is to make unprecedented repairs to the space shuttle Discovery, the US space agency Nasa has announced.

Stephen Robinson will remove strips that are sticking out between heat shield tiles on Discovery's belly.

Nasa is concerned the dangling material - called gap fillers - could cause part of the shuttle to overheat as it re-enters the atmosphere.

Astronauts have never fixed a shuttle's heat shields on a spacewalk before - or gone under an orbiting shuttle.

The International Space Station's Canadarm2 robotic arm will position Discovery mission specialist Robinson underneath the shuttle so he can pull the gap fillers out.

If this doesn't work, he will use a saw to hack them away."

Full Story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4736941.stm

Not sure about that last comment "saw to hack them away". Why use a saw, just knock them off with a hammer??!!

Not good news anyway :-(

2/8/05 12:02 AM  
wayne5 said...

Richard did a good job tonight. I could hear the voices of some at nasa saying "How dare Hoagland second guess us!" nasa needs to know that trust and respect at this point has to be earned. The good people at nasa have to stop the few from stealing that trust from them. They can win if they want it bad enough. I look forward to the time when I put nasa in all caps.

2/8/05 12:05 AM  
Dave said...

"You see, there is a lot more at stake here than just a continuation of the Cold War or U.S. imperialistic greed. There is enough energy remaining in the world right now for us -- the people -- to take control and ease ourselves into a democratic, egalitarian, stable-state society. Or there is enough energy for the elite to build a feudalistic, fascist, police state with themselves at the top. This is the choice facing us right now, and this is what is truly at stake."

2/8/05 12:08 AM  
Dave said...

For some great ideas for a stable civilisation in the post oil era, see...
http://www.permatopia.com/

2/8/05 12:11 AM  
Dave said...

Great article on the Flying Triangles includes the following...

Kelleher said, the analysis indicates that deployment of Flying Triangles is open, not covert, and involves low-flying, brightly lit aircraft routinely deployed over populated areas including cities and Interstate highways.

“However, I cannot say whether these are U.S. Air Force aircraft. We simply don't know,” Kelleher told SPACE.com . “But it does not appear to be consistent with the covert patterns of deployment we saw with the F-117 and B-2 prior to their acknowledgement. This is open, even brazen,” he stated.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/flying_triangle_040902.html

2/8/05 12:23 AM  
DarkWood said...

There are some very interesting and creative lines of speculation going on here and I don't wish to throw down on anybody's ideas, but is it possible there is a more mundane bigger picture? Is it possible that the recent winner of the X Prize and ensuing interest in PRIVATIZED space exploration scaring the bejeezus out of the powers that be?

I agree that NASA may be scrounging for any excuse to scrub the shuttle program entirely, but should the worst occur, could it not also provide the government the ammo it needs to put an end to the private sector space exploration efforts?

2/8/05 1:52 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Anonymous,

>Richard, I took the liberty of reposting your current blog entry there.. Hope you
don't mind. It may bring people to your blog here as I linked to it too.<

Of course not! :)

As I advised earlier, EVERYONE needs to do this. The little "white envelope" at the bottom of each "blog" on the Main Page is a means to send the "blog" to ANYONE. So, send away ... to all chatrooms, media outlets, commentators, other blogs, etc.

This story needs to get OUT!!

2/8/05 2:06 AM  
Anonymous said...

Thinking about the blinking of their eyes....
I bet they were sent on a secret mission whose details they were not told until they were in orbit. When they found out the truth they realised they had to do something really dirty, they were also told that the Discovery would explode on entry if anyone spoke about it. The discovery will probably be blown up when the job is finished in order to keep the mission under secret anyway.

2/8/05 3:14 AM  
The otherside of the Pacific said...

Hi, all. Writing to you from 12 time-zones away. I've been reading the TEM since 1997. This blog by Richard is GREAT. Sure beats waiting for his Iapetus(sic) updates :P

The current uproar over the Shuttle's End looks like small fish compared to what's brewing in China and India (the next 2 superpowers). Is disclosure imminent? As richard would say, "stay tuned"...:)

Will China and India start disclosure, espcially since "Brookings" is an American problem?

Is Contact Under Way in India?
http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/ufonews/2004_11_07_archive.html


China and India both know about underground UFO base in the Himalayan border area
http://www.ufodigest.com/india.html


Villagers Say Aliens Building Base in Himalayan Mountains
http://ufocasebook.com/himalayanbase.html


India may be the first country to explain to the world about extra-terrestrial and UFO contacts
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-06a-05.asp


News of Alien Presence startles India
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mysteries/ufo/ufo-india.html

2/8/05 3:23 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Sean Cotoz,

>Some Tempel 1 topics being presented at the 37th Division for Planetary Sciences (DPS) Meeting, Sept 4-9, 2005. Note all the hints of superb photographs:<


Thanks for the links. This is REALLY helpful ....

Yeah, I noticed THAT they seem to have NO problem bragging about the imagery in THIS Conference .... :)

I LOVED this line:

" ... H2O [water] and CO-2 [carbon dioxide] were very hot in the initial ejecta and previously unseen, still unidentified spectral features were seen in the near-IR ...."

If you're looking at ONLY a restricted "library" of materials you EXPECT to see in such a comet, because you KNOW your "dirty snowball model" is correct, how long (it's been a MONTH) will it take you to begin looking at a WIDER library of materials that might NOT be found in "dirty snowballs" ... so you can eventually IDENTIFY the "unidentified" materials ...?

CSI they're obviously NOT! :)

This is pathetic ....

No wonder they don't want to show us what they've got: they're TOO EMBARRASSED to ... as they're obviously (now) still trying to identify the stuff they expected to be found in "dirty snowballs" ... and after four whole weeks!!

Hint: look OUTSIDE the box .... :)

2/8/05 3:40 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

The otherside of the Pacific,

>The current uproar over the Shuttle's End looks like small fish compared to what's brewing in China and India (the next 2 superpowers). Is disclosure imminent? As richard would say, "stay tuned"...:)<


Yes, I've been watching with some interst the string of "UFO news stories" coming out of the Indian press, and wondering if that indeed is where "disclosure" ... of "something" ... will begin.

Please keep us informed, as we only see a fraction of the material you obviously have access to on a daily basis ....

2/8/05 3:46 AM  
eddie said...

Thanks for the laughs, folks.
I mean seriously, you're just too much.

2/8/05 4:07 AM  
cryptosemiotician said...

The other side of the Pacific

> Will China and India start disclosure, espcially since "Brookings" is an American problem?

India has the caste system, aristocrats that had contact with Great Britain, so they would likely be receptive to keeping the privy in privilege.

China has no real reason to perpetuate an intellectual apartheid that I can see - although wasn't there a story about a Chinese astronaut who saw something on the moon ? Dismembered limbs in jeans was mentioned.

Hoax or true ... it's a shot across the bough.

I never heard any more about that story, but since the ability to see the Moon up-close comes before the power to land & explore, (IMHO) tossing a mannequin out the hatch of a lunar lander would be a GREAT idea.

China's largest trading partner is Wal-Mart and they have direct access to the Establishment already.

Thanks to Brookings for telling all of us AND all of our enemies that American society would descend into anarchy if knowledge of ET were made public.

Brookings knew that the chaos they predicted would be self-inflicted. Led by people FURIOUS that 'Agencies' of our government have been lying and waging information warfare.

We were damnum-infectum the day Brookings told the Establishment of Europe : your secrets are safe with us.

If China's real enemy is capitalism and not Europeans ... Brookings and NASA have created a credibility gap that China is well placed to fill - playing white knight !

2/8/05 5:10 AM  
PIF said...

FWIW - this AM on Fox, the switch from Freon foam was talked about - Tom Jones was on, he said something to the effect that NASA switched because Freon manufactures were shuttting down and to continue would mean paying through the nose for it. The host seemed to contradict him implying NASA switched on their own accord, and suggested that going back to Freon could solve the problem.

2/8/05 5:25 AM  
Sean Cotoz said...

Here's a better link to the DPS conference sessions, by category topics, instead of by date. If only to be a fly on the wall.

http://www.aas.org/publications/baas/v37n3/dps2005/SL.htm

2/8/05 5:30 AM  
PIF said...

Richard - just tried your suggestion to email the blog - I didn't know this was an option - good idea. However something is wrong with the coding - after "The Deep Impact Team should take a MAJOR hint...." The rest turns into one unreadable continuous pargraph. Since your blogs are long, anyone seeing this format would be less likely to print it out, read it, or try to make scense of your words.

Other of your blogs look much the same - four paragraphs, then one run on. I looked at the page code but nothing stands out -but might be some style. Perhaps the fault lies in how the blog gets pasted into the email - the Blogger.com code may not be up to long pastes?

2/8/05 5:38 AM  
Anonymous said...

we never landed on the moon

see the film: a funny thing happened on the way to the moon

nasas own unedited film proves there was no moon landing

2/8/05 5:45 AM  
templemaster333 said...

WOW!
Heard Robert Zimmerman on COAST last night and now my whole attitude toward the shuttle program is bright and rosy ! Yes, NASA has repented of all it's sins and the engineers are calling the shots now. Can we do a spacewalk and fix the tile filling with a pair of scissors, forceps and a homemade hacksaw that WE MADE RIGHT HERE IN OUR LITTLE SHUTTLE?...YES WE CAN ! (why do I feel something cold and hard creeping up my backside ?)
I can just hear Robert strolling merrily along, chanting his little mantra...
May I be stricken down
ere I defy my Maker
for NASA giveth
and NASA taketh away
AAAAmen.
This guy could probably sell used shuttles on Saturday morning TV in a used car lot in Texas with his dog SPOT!
They say that G.W. Bush's favorite nickname for Karl Rove is TURDBLOSSOM, because he can make very nasty situations smell sweet. I hereby nominate Robert for a similar job and title at NASA (assuming there are any openings left!)

2/8/05 6:38 AM  
Massimo IT said...

Anonymous,

they did.
A small digression. Did you ever give a look at the "Tracy's Rock" pictures?
If one looks at them for a little longer than usual, one begins to think that a silicon based life of sort is out there (I admit this is really in the realms of wild dreams but who can tell to know everything of our reality?). That would be a really great achievement, to discover such kind of life, totally alien from the carbon-based lifeforms we are used to. But ... maybe Brookings would have hidden this too.
Anyway, I believe those pictures have been taken up there, on the Moon. All the arguments "pro" are reasonable and logic, while the "cons" are sometimes really weak (e.g. that one about the shadows aiming at different directions is really poor).

2/8/05 6:44 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Richard agreed,

Personally, I've been so overwhelmed in the wake up process, since May 8th 2005, that I've had to confirm every thing I've noted, with yourself and all the individuals that make up this blog...

I hope from the deepest, that the Seven crew make it back alive...

NASA should not and will not, be allowed to continue it's deception and link with Dark shaddowy powers, leading to a corruption of pure science.

We the People should have our God Given rights, given back to us, the science and knowledge, ripped out of the hands of these would be deceivers and given to the world.

Clean Technology no doubt exists, we as consumers though, have been duped into believing it was the only way...

Those poor poor Africans, living in the third world...

...having their oil and minerals stripped from their countries by foriegn powers...

...I'll dignify him by calling him 'President' Magabe, a tyrant and dictator, saw 20 US soldiers land on his soil to 'fix' him, and he's still in power...

To the powers that be, Money, OIL, power and anything else that greases the palm with oily gold will pass as a token to the west...

...Whilst the first world, burns up the last of the energy reserves, completing the global warming, bringing mankind nearer extinction...

...Yep dont sit still, advertise this site, blog it else where...

I've already began introducing Richards and everyones idea's onto other blogs and researching more data and facts...

Richard this is an excellent blog...

I for one, will increase, my awareness campaign regarding all these findings regarding NASA and the corrupt powers that be...

...I'm ready with the CC, for the legal battle if/when it occurs...

...And another thing, why are CNN ignoring this important blog???

Scared CNN?

Scared FOX (666)?
(http://the-matrix.blogspot.com)

Come on join in and make this mainstream!

And for any ANONN pr!ck, wake up!

"You can live with the truth or die with the lie"

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 7:12 AM  
Jayson said...

Richard,

Last night on COAST, Robert Zimmerman speculated that the reason we're not seeing the data is because NASA wants to give the scientists on the mission enough time with the data so that THEY are the ones who receive credit for "discoveries" before anyone else.

It almost makes sense, but do you buy that?

2/8/05 8:21 AM  
malta blogger said...

I don't think this was mentioned yet.

New NASA Ship Designs:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/science/space/02nasa.html?ex=1280635200&en=c97b63d7bb47af82&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

brief quotes:
"The spaceships would no longer look like airplanes. Their payloads, whether humans or cargo, would ride in capsules at the top rather than alongside the fuel tank - standard practice until the shuttle era. Rather than gliding back to Earth, they would deploy parachutes and land on the ground in the Western United States."
"The goal is to get people back to the Moon and eventually onto Mars. And this system, given the budget constraints, is a reasonable way to go."

There's even a link in the article to a website about the new spaceships:
http://www.safesimplesoon.com

2/8/05 8:25 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Jayson, I'd like to comment on this too if I might be so...

"Jayson said...
Richard,

Last night on COAST, Robert Zimmerman speculated that the reason we're not seeing the data is because NASA wants to give the scientists on the mission enough time with the data so that THEY are the ones who receive credit for "discoveries" before anyone else.

It almost makes sense, but do you buy that?

2/8/05 8:21 AM"


OK there are several things wrong with this.

The data should be viewed by everyone simultaneously...

Who is credited with making the best or most spectacular discoveries should be the ones, with the greatest interest?

The greatest interest being, revealing the TRUTH!

What is there to get credit over?

We all are scientists in our own limited right...

...Yes NASA has some of the best computing power and best invested tools for discerning the data...

...However I ONLY WANT ONE THING...

...THE SPECTROGRAPH DATA NASA!

the ONE PICTURE

is that too hard?

or does NASA need time to work out which colors map to which minerals?

You know each of us has a PC somewhere around that we could also ASSIST NASA with the data...

...WHY if NASA wanted the public to like NASA they would SHARE the DATA and ask us to give insight...

...NO

The current NASA administration does not want us to know or give insight, clearly it would spoil the smooth running of the...

...ECONOMY

...Without TAX PAYERS MONEY they couldn't fund wars or large Cultic SPACE RITUALS!

so my $0.75cents says that we will never be given the REAL DATA

...UNLESS WE DEMAND IT!

or legally obtain it through courts and a large legal trial, exposing all of NASA's dirty underwear...

2 Peter 3:10-13...

'works will be exposed on Jehovah's great day...'

Just biding my time...

My credit card is ready for the legal action...

whichever comes first...

Just ranting...

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 8:34 AM  
Professor X said...

Richard C. said:

***Please read carefully what I just wrote in answer to another question on this same, crucial subject: what if Dames has been DELIBERATELY "wrong" for all these years ... so he would be IGNORED by almost everyone ... until he was "activated" to tell the "in crowd" that the REAL stuff was about to hit the fan!!***

Richard, I'm sorry but it doesn't seem to make any sense. Why in the world would anyone listen to him now if he has a reputation of being wrong all the time?
Think about this Richard. If it requires you to tell us that this time he is right, but he was
“activated” only this time to tell us the truth, then how can this possibly work since nobody would know to believe him anyway without you telling us so. Are you saying that you were “activated” this time as well to tell us to believe him? You must realize that it is simply unreasonable to expect your regular folks that listen to the Coast at night to figure all this out. And if it is not a reasonable expectation then what is the point of all this?

What he said last time on Coast is really no different from what he said in the past, same ol' doom predictions that never come true and Art for whatever reason being a cheerleader for him. I mean c'on, the guy is clearly a good radio material, but it is getting old a little. Art can’t be that thick headed to believe Dames and take him seriously.
Is Art an intelligence asset as well? Is he being “activated” from time to time? If so,
how many from the millions that listen to Coast can figure this out? This is simply unreasonable to expect. You are a smart men Richard, I can’t believe you don’t realize this.

Who would know to believe him now? And WHY? Who cares? Let's say some people will believe him. So what? What does it change if this time he really gave people the real info? What would be the purpose of it? What does people's believe in what he said last time on Coast change?

2/8/05 10:00 AM  
Dan said...

Thanks, Richard. Please keep'em comin'.

2/8/05 10:19 AM  
IonTruO2 said...

Richard, forgive me for being off topic here.
KEVIN- you made a comment about the existence of sprites in the upper atmosphere. It reminded me of a clipping I had from Popular Science(I think?). Anyway, it inlcuded a startling visual image of them that always struck me as highly sentient in appearance.
If your curious, I scanned it and uploaded it to my blog at http://sincerity1.blogspot.com/
Hope you find it useful.
Over and out....

2/8/05 10:38 AM  
DaveRhodester said...

For Ed Dames to make such a statement publicly on a national radio show while the ship is still orbiting is VERY irresponsible- I hope the crew either doesn't hear about it or take him too seriously if they do. I seriously want to kick his ass.

Sorry if this has been said multiple times- who has time to read through 113 comments? Richard, you're very popular!

2/8/05 10:41 AM  
brian c said...

Professor X:

I believe what Richard is suggesting is the possibility of Dames broadcasting information which only certain people would know how to "decode" properly... ie he could be using specific code words or phraseology.

I don't see any evidence of that either, but I suppose it's a possibility. Mind you, in today's world of instant, private, encrypted, electronic communication, one would think there are better ways of distributing private, targetted information than "cloak and dagger" stuff over radio waves...

2/8/05 10:47 AM  
Anonymous said...

>Do you know anything about how >Military Intelligence (and I will >not repeat the old joke ... >again) REALLY works?

>Dames has made himself (on >orders ..?) VERY public -- for >years. Folks like you look at his >consistent NON-TRACK RECORD vis a >vis "remote viewing" ... and >dismiss him. That way he's ALSO >made himself "invisible" ....

>But, what if he's really been "an >asset in place" ALL ALONG --- for >when the shit REALLY hits the >fan?! And, his assignment now is >to "let the insiders KNOW" what's >about to happen.

>THAT'S why his >simultaneously "predicting" the >Shuttle's DOOM last night ... >together with my totally separate >source -- is SO essential to pay >attention to.

>I'm really feeling >that "something" BAD is about to >happen ... unless we put a >stop .to it -- Big Time.

Richard,

I do salute you for having the gravitas to come on here and debate.

My problem with Dames is his horrendous track record. The man has been crying wolf for years. All I need is something to come true to make me believe that he isn't full of crap. That has never happened. You would think the Biblical size of the tsunami would have been seen by at least one supposed psychic. That did not happen, 6 billion people on the Earth and not one sounded the prediction alarm. That was the day any shred of "maybe psychics are real" died for me. After that day I had to call "Bullshit"!

Ten Alp

2/8/05 11:20 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Brian C,

"brian c said...
Professor X:

I believe what Richard is suggesting is the possibility of Dames broadcasting information which only certain people would know how to "decode" properly... ie he could be using specific code words or phraseology.

I don't see any evidence of that either, but I suppose it's a possibility. Mind you, in today's world of instant, private, encrypted, electronic communication, one would think there are better ways of distributing private, targetted information than "cloak and dagger" stuff over radio waves...

2/8/05 10:47 AM"



Thinking this through, why should secret societies change their reknowned and constant method of communication?

The secret Societies seem to base their communication on Numbers, covertly covering the hidden meaning to others.

For instance 9/11 and 7/7

are two KEY numerological and Biblical reference points...

Revelation 9:11 (King of Abyss)
Revelation 16:16 (Armageddon)

It would seem as if the occultic secret circle are trapped into using an ancient numerological commnunication method...

...Whether Ed Dames is right or wrong...

...the shuttle is in trouble?

Job 7:6 is only time the word shuttle is used in the bible...

...Coincidence that they must launch a shuttle in July, the Seventh month, along with the Sun going nuts right now...

...Yep brian Encryption exists, also based on numbers...

...It wouldn't surprise me to find, that this Elite bunch of super secret eejits, cannot change or will not change their method, thinking us, the general public are far too stupid to catch on...

or...

they believe we can never expose them?

I believe both are exposed and the truth is starting to come out...

Keep blogging, we are getting there...

NASA is starting to unravel...

>:)

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 11:21 AM  
Koby said...

I have studied and learned "remote viewing"
I assure you, it's very real. That being said the results are not always usable. There is alot of noise that the "viewer" must wade through.
Much like you all now.

Here is MY prediction... and it has nothing to do with Remote Viewing.

-The shuttle will return with crew safely on August 8th.
-The public will be pacified and entertained for the next several days with talk of gap filler and heat sheilds.
-They will retire the shuttle fleet because of soon to be released problems that make the continuation too costly or risky.
-The attention will be on NASA to find an alternate to coinside with the presidents "vision"
-The fickle public will grow tired of the scientific mumbo jumbo concerning a "new" craft.
- NASA will go back to business as usual.
-Richard Hogland will have increased visitors and sales due to the blogging of the blog and such things.

-We will all have witnessed the largest and world sweeping reality show ever. Courtesy NASA-TV.

2/8/05 11:27 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

On the crews behalf, I dearly hope so...

"-The shuttle will return with crew safely on August 8th."

if that is all that comes out of this it was worth it...

But I still want tempel 1 spectrograph data as well...


Koby, my fingers are crossed that you are right...

However...

If your not, NASA is in for some HUGE freaking storm of LEGAL inquiry!!!

J aka 'Brian'

PS I forsee NASA getting caught with it's pants around it's ankles and a Cucumber in a very strange spot!!!

2/8/05 11:33 AM  
TIM BROOKS said...

(I'm reposting this. I posted it before in the wrong blog)
NASA trying to ground the Shuttle, GOOD!
Now, I hope that the people on the Shuttle make it home safe, but if the Shuttle gets the ax after that, Great, that is what NASA needs. I'm 28 years old and for as long as I can remember NASA has been flying that Shuttle. What happen to good old American engineering and the spirit of exploration. That Shuttle should have retired 10 years ago. We should have been to Mars by now and beyond, but for some reason (maybe aliens if you keep up with this site) NASA has done nothing after the Moon. Yea, they put some satellites in space and send probes off, but that is it. What kind of nation are we, or what kind of race are we if we don't strive for more. If NASA need an excuse to build the next Shuttle then fine let them have there excuse. I just hope that they build the next one with some of the tech there are playing with at the advance propulsion labs. I know that it is not possible ,but I wish NASA pull some stuff off the black shelf, and O-yea there is a black shelf. Just ask Richard C. how Edward Leedskalnin built the Coral Castle. By the way where is the update on the Coral Castle? Anyway to a long story short ground the Shuttle and build something worthwild.

2/8/05 11:34 AM  
Professor X said...

brian c said...

***Mind you, in today's world of instant, private, encrypted, electronic communication, one would think there are better ways of distributing private, targetted information than "cloak and dagger" stuff over radio waves...***

Exactly! This whole idea sounds pretty silly in today's world.

2/8/05 11:58 AM  
Professor X said...

DaveRhodester said...

***I hope the crew either doesn't hear about it or take him too seriously if they do. I seriously want to kick his ass.***

I bet they have no idea who Dames is as 99.9% of population in this and other countries.

2/8/05 12:01 PM  
Anonymous said...

Don't forget about the Iaepetus radar readings.

2/8/05 12:08 PM  
brian c said...

Ten Alp wrote...
'You would think the Biblical size of the tsunami would have been seen by at least one supposed psychic. That did not happen, 6 billion people on the Earth and not one sounded the prediction alarm. That was the day any shred of "maybe psychics are real" died for me. After that day I had to call "Bullshit"!'


Have you read about PEAR (Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research)?

They have been doing experiments for decades, involving Random Number Generators and the possible effects on them by human consciousness. Purportedly, large "spikes" in anomalous activity from these machines were registered before both the Tsunami and 9/11. Hardly a useable "prediction" as such, but it could be indicative of some level of foreknowledge in the collective human consciousness. Here's an article about it: http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126649#121.

An excellent book that examines this and other recent anomalous experimental results, from a quantum field perspective, is "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart.

2/8/05 12:26 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

From the links referred to by Malta Blogger earlier here, one can see there are already options for the next vehicle publicly being conveyed. It is no suprise considering the retirement date set of 2010 for the Shuttle anyway.
In earlier dialogue, we have touched on the reality that there is simply "secret-classified" technology at the military level that is always a good 10-30 years ahead of the "public sector". The Shuttle is essentially public sector product albeit quite advanced. So the replacement launch vehicles to me do not represent the actual leading edge, state of the technology. It is simply the semi-commercial public working product. There are many good examples that hint well that at the higher levels, we have "ulta-tech", moving forward with the most sensitive research that is not to be disclosed at all and remains in the appropriate classified category.
The nuclear situation here on earth is a good example of how technology, once revealed, leaks everywhere, for right use and abuse. So, I feel they learned pretty early on, to practice maximum concealment for a good variety of reasons. Even the case of the hacking that revealed the 10th planet discovery, however effective, showcased the potential of the wrong things that could be revealed.
So, guess what? Most of the world doesn't think and act coherently and rightly or with true and good intention and I mean most. There is a lot of twisted evil here and that is very evident these days. Perhaps it is best to put on a "reality show" for the multitudes. Like, "look at the pretty Mars with the red sky and cold cold limited atmosphere devoid of anything important". Now, 30 years later, its, "oh, here's a frozen water lake and melting ice caps and oh maybe some artifacts and oh yes the sky is blue."
All humour aside, I don't think it is really that there is a race of competition as there is a reality where some countries and individuals have acted very badly without any conscience whatsoever and must be limited in what they know or can have access to.
As to NASA, it is very much like the magnitude of general Government and change is very difficult and full of procedural entanglements in large beuracratic enviroments.
Remember the story of the developments of a better battery for radios etc.? The big problem was how to transition from the old to a new and much better format. It got delayed because of the scale of the effort being too great and D cells etc. continued on for many more years.
Dr.Micheal Copeland, of Corel and originally Mitel was credited with the key break through of the invention of the analogue to digital converter that made the shift in telephone technology possible.
So, as I type this I get a better feeling for what NASA is entangled with, even if the better way is before them already for a shift in rocket launch methods with the heavy payload capacity they need for grander efforts beyond. How do execute it, with out huge growing pains and industry losses around the older methods?
Maybe if the greater sum of mankind were living well and actually able to think and be with clarity, these secrets and with-holdings would not be neccessary and the real state of our technology would be benefiting us across a larger scale.

2/8/05 12:33 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

"Professor X said...
brian c said...

***Mind you, in today's world of instant, private, encrypted, electronic communication, one would think there are better ways of distributing private, targetted information than "cloak and dagger" stuff over radio waves...***

Exactly! This whole idea sounds pretty silly in today's world.

2/8/05 11:58 AM"


Why does this sound silly???

If these secret Societies were formed in 1118 and 1776 FreeMasonary and the Knights Templar...

...then tradition would out ride modern communication advance...

or

be used to propergate the communication.

For instance

Big Ben UK stopped at 10:07 on July 27th for a small while to resume again at 10:20 then to stop again for 90 Minutes...

that above is unusual alone...

Coincidently my wedding was originally set for May 27th...

Concerning modern communication, sure it's used...

But arrogant, selfish, elite thinkers wouldn't even aknowledge the fact that we might suspect them...

We are mere pawns in their game...

So why use newer covert methods, rather than swagger around...

placing obvious numerological numbers under our noses and look blank whilst we look puzzled...

...No the old methods are best...

there has been no change, overtly in the use of blatant Occult signalling...

A religion is a religion, the occult is a religion, steeped in ancient occult rites...

Why would these change, just because technology improved?

I'm surmising their must be Secret societ LUDITES, that cannot use computers in the way you and me can...

so...

The old alerts work best and of course, rub the commoner or unaware publics nose in it too...

ooh yeah the old way cant be changed...

Shame for them, because, it's getting more and more apparent, who is pulling the strings...

To catch up with all of the above statements, a person would need to start reading the blog here and all subsequent RCH blogs...

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/deep-impact-deepening-doo-doo.html

>:)

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 12:38 PM  
Anonymous said...

username midpac, of the hawaii (5-0) "pre-planned ufo sighting" story.
new username GILLIGAN

Aloha Skipper, (har har)
Please all note new username, GILLIGAN. So far no combination of username/password works for me. (advice, anyone?).
I guess I will appear as anonymous followed by GILLIGAN, instead of midpac. Name changed for a little comic relief there, skipper. Hope you don't mind a little blatant pandering to a mentor.
Richard, I agree about Ed Dames. Always sensed something fishy there. Not to mention the direction art bell has taken.
Money talks persuasively.
We live in interesting times.

Thanks again Richard for all you do for all.

I also heard Catherine Austin Fitts on Coast Radio. She is awesome and right on. Her credentials (below) say it all.
Here is an excerpt from her great article which addresses the issue of smearing 'conspiracy theorists'. It is helpful for those of us that encounter the uninformed derisive smirks when we share vitally important info. Show them enough info, and the smirks dissolve. Sometimes, to reach them, it takes persistent slogging through the fear and denial, not to mention the disinformation and the global psy-ops called 'the news'
Here is her excerpt:
"We do not have time to pay attention to people who use smears like "conspiracy theorist" to waste our time. Money, budgets, finance...these are all facts. If something does not work, and it continues to not work, there is a reason. Systems have a logic. They have a rationale. Money helps explain and illuminate that rationale. Anyone who would smear a serious researcher or writer for trying to understand where a great deal of money is disappearing to as a "conspiracy theorist" is someone who would never be taken seriously or associated with in the circles in which I travel. The exception is if the person doing the smearing is a professional being paid to smear those who have the scent of "the real deal" --- Cointelpro or related public relations. The number of people paid to do such things are many and growing."


Here is the whole article:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm

Here are her credentials:

Catherine Austin Fitts is the President of Solari, Inc., a former Assistant Secretary of Housing – Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration and a former partner and member of the board of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc and President of Hamilton Securities. She is a member of the advisory board of Sanders Research Associates http://www.sandersresearch.com/ in London and publishes a column in Scoop Media in New Zealand http://www.scoop.co.nz/ called The Real Deal. Links to all her articles can be found at: http://www.solari.com/gideon/articles%20by%20caf.htm

(also check out her solari site if you care about your finances)

aloha, c

2/8/05 1:04 PM  
cryptosemiotician said...

I've never heard, nor seen a more blatant attempt at disinformation ... than the Princeton eggs.

Intellectual apartheid is maintained by elevating the upper class ... or keeping the lower class lost in the swamp water.

Nothing is random, just a pattern out of focus.

2/8/05 1:28 PM  
Templemaster333 said...

Richard,
It has always bothered me that Earth and Mars have a day length that differs by only about 4%.
Earth day length = 0.99*24 hrs
Mars Day length = 1.03*24 hrs
The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace. That is, if an observer stood on the surface of either planet and looked upwards at the other, it would always appear in the same place. According to my calculations, if the Earth and Mars have not substantially changed their rotational speed and masses before and after a break-up of the pair (caused by a gravitational interaction with a very large PLANET X ?) they would have orbited each other at only about 26,000 miles. I estimate that the surface of Mars would start to break-up from Earth gravity at about 20,000 miles, so this would make for some very interesting geological dynamics on both planets. At least space travel between the two would be a breeze due to the opposite gravity vectors. The remains of giant pictograms discovered on Mars would also make more sense in this scenario, as they might have been visible from Earth. (If these are all grouped around a particular longitude on Mars, that would give a clue as to which side faced Earth !) How might you or anybody else out there envision such a scenario ?

2/8/05 1:42 PM  
Anonymous said...

username gilligan
hey skipper & crew,

Somebody (thanks) mentioned the 'earth orbit quarantine' as being imposed by black ops, NOT NECESSARILY by "aliens"
That makes sense. Control control control. It could fit all that we now see unfolding. Or maybe it is just more disinformation churned out by the confusion generators. It is not that I reject 'aliens'.
I'm open to the presence of ET. There seems to be abundant evidence lying around under every other old rock! I would welcome their intervention to help us out of the mess we are in, even if they look just like us (or not). However, the ET disinformation blizzards do cloud our vision sometimes now, don't they?
Think about it (if you haven't already). With advanced black ops craft, and a little hollywood make-up, and a willing/controlled mass media system, 'they' can GLOBALLY play just about any scenario/agenda they wish, in order to manipulate all of us on earth, except for those with a clue. That could explain the 'planned sighting' I experienced in 1980. Or maybe that really was the 'space brothers'? So how do we know what to believe? Is that the agenda as well (confusion)? Yeah, duh.
How about Steven Greer and his disclosure project? He seems OK to me, because he consistently supports openess. Anybody?
Here is his 15 minute video clip:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/npcwebcast.htm

Thanks Richard
aloha, c

2/8/05 1:55 PM  
GRR8 said...

All I can say here is that I hope Private Space Companies beat Nasa. Too much governmental political micromanaging buerocracy in the race in space. I can not have any confidence in space exploration and developement,when its being run by Governmental hacks. And the true talents within the Agency cannot shine in an Agency that rewards the pockets of Congressionals by special interests,,such as the Environmentalists,or any specific private contractors. God damn it! Save these astronauts and get them jobs with talented private space companies and get them out of the Governmentally run Monster called NASA. It is a strong belief of mine that Federal Govt needs to be removed from space missions entirely. The talented employees need to be given honest opportunities in the private sector. They will be happier and healthier because of it.

2/8/05 2:04 PM  
Dave said...

IonTruO2 said...

>KEVIN- you made a comment about the existence of sprites in the upper atmosphere. It reminded me of a clipping I had from Popular Science(I think?). Anyway, it inlcuded a startling visual image of them that always struck me as highly sentient in appearance.<

Here's a closely related concept from...

http://openseti.org/GnosticA.html

"An Aeon is a god understood, not in theological terms, but in terms of the physics of consciousness. Aeons are not entities but processes that may best be conceptualized as immense currents, but currents that are alive, self-aware, sensuous."

2/8/05 2:05 PM  
Oris Bracken said...

Richard,

Again, you are thinking outside the box. Never entered my mind, but yes, prospects of unemployment overwhelming. Perhaps some bought homes or cars, kids enrolled in school. Extremely demoralizing and unnecessary news in the middle of a high-concentration critical project. Bad timing.

Perhaps just a judgment error on someone’s part. Or a committee decision….

I’ve always realized our early spacecraft would be dangerous, relatively unsafe. "Ride at your own risk". That’s why Astronauts are called ‘heroes’ and not ‘passengers’. Many a ship and crew went down afore and after Columbus sailed the Ocean.

As to hidden motives, with a project this big possibly multiple-layer agendas.

And, who really runs NASA? Is it the Department of Defense?

1986 --when the Challenger exploded in front of horrified school kids watching TV all over USA, did it not signal the end of civilian control of our space program? Not sure, but I thought it was deemed to need superior military management. Did it ever return to civilian control?

--
room 322

2/8/05 2:06 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Templemaster333, Good consideration on the notion of large pictograms on Mars that would have been visible! There well noted here on Earth and quite prolific.
From the clarity of the hi-res shot of the frozen lake, I would think that should be fairly easy to image for, from orbit. Might they still show through times' effects on the surface?

2/8/05 2:11 PM  
Anonymous said...

(gilligan)

grrr8, I agree about privatizingthe whole damn thing !
Wouldn't it be nice! :-)

2/8/05 2:30 PM  
Templemaster333 said...

"IonTruO2 said...
Templemaster333, Good consideration on the notion of large pictograms on Mars that would have been visible! There well noted here on Earth and quite prolific.
From the clarity of the hi-res shot of the frozen lake, I would think that should be fairly easy to image for, from orbit. Might they still show through times' effects on the surface? "

Yes, and Richard may have some images of pictograms in his Mars anomaly stuff.

2/8/05 2:11 PM

2/8/05 2:47 PM  
Robert said...

I KNOW WHEN THE DEEP IMPACT DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE!

Thank you for your interest in the Deep Impact mission.

From JPL Lady I emailed:

"The raw and calibrated data from Deep Impact instruments is scheduled to be delivered in January. It will be submitted to the Planetary Data
System in archival format, which includes documentation of the data. It will then be available to the scientific community and the public through the Planetary Data System.

Does this mean it will never be seen untill January? That is what I will ask her next.

2/8/05 3:01 PM  
the old man from scene 24 said...

OT.

We all have our pet storylines. Here's mine - another affirmation of the sheep mentality even among scientists.

Scientists have seen some of these strange happenings before during El Nino years, when higher water surface temperatures in the equatorial Pacific alter weather patterns worldwide. But the West Coast has not had El Nino conditions this year.

As for the possibility that this is being caused by global warming, scientists are not so sure, since climate change is believed to be a gradual process, and what is happening this year is relatively sudden.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050802/ap_on_sc/ocean_crisis

Climate change is believed to be a gradual process... based on what? Averages? Sure, global change may be gradual, but doesn't it make sense that global change would be compelled by sudden and drastic local changes?

Take a box of sand and start tipping it over. At first nothing happens, but as the grade increases, what do you see? Does the enter contents of the box gradually slide out? No! It starts with tiny (local) displacements, which add more weight to one side of the box. Over time, and averaged together, all those tiny slides make for a gradual change. But it isn't gradual. It is sudden, it starts and stops.

But in the end, when the grade is steep enough and gravity overcomes friction, it all gives way and all the sand slides out of the box. All at once. And all of a sudden.

Nevermind that there have been other sudden local events this year and last. Migratory birds vanishing in the thousands, leaving nesting grounds. Sub-tropical fish being found in the English Channel.

The canaries were dying and the miners wondered why. They had been told the birds were there to brighten their hours of dreary toil, until they could lay down their tools and go collect their reward. The explosion caught them all be surprise, but it shouldn't have. They forgot, and few paused to wonder why they kept tiny, beautiful songbirds in deep, hellish mines. Those who asked were told to shut up and keep digging.

2/8/05 3:54 PM  
Viola Riviniana said...

Hi crypto,

Disinformation? I'm afraid I don't follow.

Are you saying that because all phenomena are governed by an underlying order or purpose (whether or not this is detectable by humans) nothing is truly `random', and that therefore the deviation from a no-bias (i.e., STATISTICALLY random) output in the random number generators associated with the Princeton Global Consciousness Project is not meaningful?

2/8/05 4:00 PM  
Anonymous said...

> Does this mean it will never be seen untill January? That is what I will ask her next. <

Since she already said the data will be released in January, I don't see any use in asking her to confirm that again.

Perhaps ask her the reason why data cannot be released immediately - to both the public and the scientific community. After all, the public is the one who pays for this mission.

2/8/05 4:12 PM  
Templemaster333 said...

Viola Riviniana said...
"Hi crypto,

Disinformation? I'm afraid I don't follow.

Are you saying that because all phenomena are governed by an underlying order or purpose (whether or not this is detectable by humans) nothing is truly `random', and that therefore the deviation from a no-bias (i.e., STATISTICALLY random) output in the random number generators associated with the Princeton Global Consciousness Project is not meaningful? "

There is a vast gap between "randomness" as a mathematical ideal and an actual implementation of it using electronics or some other technology. Suppose you scatter supposedly "isolated" computer random number generators over the face of the planet? Then you get some correlation among them over a certain period of time? What is your premise for assigning a "global consciousness" significance to these correlations ? How do you know that some cosmic phenomena such as a solar flare may not have temporarily introduced a globally detectable EM pulse that temporarily affected the electronics of all these machines and produced a very suttle synchronous effect in the supposed random number generators ?

2/8/05 4:16 PM  
cryptosemiotician said...

I think that what constitutes a "hit" is pretty subjective.

The concept is interesting and one most people would have probably wondered about : do things change according to grid reference position ?

However, the premise is flawed. I don't know anyone in Statistics that believes in the idea of 'random', so, for me, it's a case of taking the technical dictionary over Funk & Wagnall's.

The amount of publicity they seek is almost as suspicious as the amount they receive. Princeton must have found an angle on funding because it seems like a waste of the University's reputation.

Maybe Coast needs a round table on the eggs, where the futility of randomness is presented - to give everyone the sunglasses they need to see through the academic liberties being taken.

2/8/05 4:23 PM  
Viola Riviniana said...

"What is your premise for assigning a "global consciousness" significance to these correlations?"

None whatsoever, I was just curious what he meant by `disinformation'.

Does the `disinformation', then, consist merely in placing an erroneous interpretation on a real anomaly?

If so, how does that elevate the upper class and keep the lower class `lost in the swamp water'?

2/8/05 4:33 PM  
cryptosemiotician said...

The University wants to be seen to be looking into some kind of quasi-supernatural forces at work, under the guise of authority. Science, by defintion, excludes such things.

The highly subjective aroma of swamp water enters into the equation (for me) because the premise of the eggs serves to reinforce popularly held myths.

Notwithstanding research grants, I can think of no other benefit to anyone - Princeton University, Homeland Security, or anyone else.

The inquiring public has limited time & patience to reflect on such things and can be fatigued into compliance by muddying the waters, or negative inoculation : like confusing them with alot of disconnected facts.

2/8/05 4:58 PM  
Anonymous said...

911 was an inside job

2/8/05 5:20 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Gilligan, Hawaii 5-0...

...You mentioned the lights blinked twice on your encounter with the Benelovent beings back in 70's...

The passenger jet that crashed today in Torronto, merciful where no one was killed...

All the lights went off a good few seconds before the landing...

...that report just on CNN from witness.

Also the passengers report that they had no warning that anything was wrong, they were clapping when they landed in the intense Lightning storm that had sprung up for 60 minutes prior to the flight 859 crashing on runway 24 at 16:03 (4:03PM) next to highway 401...

I'm not a numerology expert, but...

Hmmmm

Just reporting and thinking...

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 5:28 PM  
cryptosemiotician said...

Of course, I could be wrong.

I don't think much of Major Ed Dames or Princeton Eggs in much the same way as crop circle researchers feel about people who fake crop circles.

However, I'm always interested in upgrading my information. I threw in my two cents because at some level, I am looking for a satisfactory rebuttal to my views :-)

2/8/05 5:30 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

...oh forgot to add...

the plane simply did not slow down, even when it's engines were thrusting backwards the plane carried on...

...eventually running into a gully at the end of the runway, where the plane broke apart, 1/3 falling off...

the tail broke off...

hmmm...

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 5:32 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Dave,
Thank you for that link! I am knowledged in those areas of understanding. The five negative Archons and their minions will be dealt with. I assure you.
The cycle is near complete, the Buddha Amitabha is already present here in bodily appearance as Ruchira Adi Da Samraj. The Bright. The Immutable Light.
In my experience, a sacred seventh horse has appeared. White. The Dawn Horse. An auspicious sign.
Apologies Richard for this off topic.

2/8/05 6:05 PM  
Anonymous said...

Some people on this blog obviously have run out of tin foil... I'll look around for a sale so they can reconstitute their hats and reseal their caves and other dwellings.

2/8/05 6:12 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

correction...

Flight 358

309 passengers...

2/8/05 6:13 PM  
brian c said...

cryptosemiotician said...
"Nothing is random, just a pattern out of focus."


Well, I apologize for using the word "random" without a qualifier. Having been involved with computer science for most of my life, the subject of true randomness (or rather, lack thereof) is near and dear to my heart. So, for the purposes of discussion, when I say "random", what I mean in the general sense is, "unpredictable using current knowledge".

The notion of "hidden variables" underlying seeming randomness is of course an old one, Einstein's "God does not play dice" immediately comes to mind (and I'm sure it goes back much farther). However, despite Einstein's support, it is still only an assumption. To be honest, I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I actually believe in the hidden variables hypothesis. However I do recognize it as a belief, not a proven, unassailable fact.

Moreover, I'm afraid I don't quite grasp why such speculation would invalidate the PEAR experiments. Whether the "random" events are truly deserving of such a title or not, they are still events which conventional science tells us should not be affected whatsoever by human intentions. Yet, the Princeton data suggests otherwise. It suggests that even a single person (and importantly, ANY person) can alter, on a very small but repeatable level, the statistical variance of the machine's output. They also found that when two people in "harmony" with each other, such as lovers, combined their concentration, their effect was six times greater than a single person acting alone.

The other argument you make seems to be based on Princeton's supposed motives for these results... I'm afraid this constitutes a circumstantial ad hominem, and (for me) does not invalidate their experimental data either. We need to show that the experiment itself, or the interpretation, is flawed.


cryptosemiotician said...
"However, I'm always interested in upgrading my information. I threw in my two cents because at some level, I am looking for a satisfactory rebuttal to my views :-)"

I am glad we share similar approaches to acquiring new information. :) I could also be completely, totally off my rocker about the PEAR experiments. I just didn't see anything in your arguments that convinced me. I hope you're not offended by my attempt at a rebuttal, you seem like a very bright, rational, and open minded fellow.

One of the things that makes this blog great, is the variety, tolerance, and consideration (excepting the odd anonymous coward) of so many radically different viewpoints. Somewhere in the middle of all these theories, is the truth just bursting to get out.

Your statement that "what constitutes a hit is subjective" is interesting (and I will certainly concede, very damaging to their results if true), can you expand on this?



"Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron."
- Freeman Dyson

2/8/05 6:27 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Ahhhggg, there's that number again... Six

It's like the scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail...

the Knights who say 'NHeeee'

SIX a mans number in Revelation it

"their effect was six times greater than a single person acting alone."



Revelation 13:17-18

17 and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. 18 Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.


And there it is the number 13 again...

Arrrrgghhhh

'NHeeeee' no not that we are now the Knights who say 'HIIIIeeeee'

Jason cowering in corner, what's going on??? :))

'Brian'

2/8/05 6:57 PM  
tets said...

Many of Hoagland's points are very good. Perhaps though, there is a deeper more hidden reason to shut down the "space" program.
Something they are afraid of?

2/8/05 7:02 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

ok recovering...

whew!

Brian c,

careful with the numbers... :)

OK liked the point also

"cryptosemiotician said...
"However, I'm always interested in upgrading my information. I threw in my two cents because at some level, I am looking for a satisfactory rebuttal to my views :-)"

I am glad we share similar approaches to acquiring new information. :) I could also be completely, totally off my rocker about the PEAR experiments. I just didn't see anything in your arguments that convinced me. I hope you're not offended by my attempt at a rebuttal, you seem like a very bright, rational, and open minded fellow.

One of the things that makes this blog great, is the variety, tolerance, and consideration (excepting the odd anonymous coward) of so many radically different viewpoints. Somewhere in the middle of all these theories, is the truth just bursting to get out.

Your statement that "what constitutes a hit is subjective" is interesting (and I will certainly concede, very damaging to their results if true), can you expand on this?"

yep, Brian C, same boat again

Software engineer for Cisco for 2.5 years, working on the WCCP feature testing code...

anyways hope yr coding is going well :)

Crypto, yes, looking for anyone to be able to prove the scriptural references wrong or to debunk the coincidences I've seen...

Thank you Richard for the Freedom of speach on this blog...

IT was mentioned above that we all present radicle views, but they harmonize to present a composite picture...

Love your input people keep it coming puh lease!!!

J aka 'Brian'

PS be careful with them numbers'

2/8/05 7:02 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Lesley said,

>Yeah, I get your point on that. Although, I still think it is likely Dames will be wrong as always. If he is not wrong I will know you are absolutely right, because he can't just go from always being wrong to getting sometime big like that right.<


Lesley,

This is VERY hard to do: we're working to MAKE him "wrong" ... and my own source too -- by widely exposing and disseminating these awful possibilities ... if "someone's" inclined to give "bad luck" a little helping hand on this Mission ....

It's kinda like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in reverse: by making these possibilities PUBLIC, we hope to CHANGE them ... by making these cowards, who MUST operate in the shadows, run for cover ....

So, Dames being "right or wrong" will really PROVE nothing. And, I could care less about his agenda or his track record. In THIS specific instance, his "prediction" is in line with my own, completely trustworthy source. So, I am worried. By exposing this, I KNOW it will be changed ... because this "black ops crowd" CANNOT afford to leave a major successful description of this scenario out there ... BEFORE it happens.

That's our purpose here.


>BTW, glad to have you here in albuquerque.<


And I'm glad you are too .... :)

2/8/05 7:04 PM  
Viola Riviniana said...

Cryptosemiotician said:

"The inquiring public has limited time & patience to reflect on such things..."

Perhaps by design. I recall reading that John D. Rockefeller (founder of the National Education Association) once said something like "I don't want a nation of thinkers, I want a nation of workers".

If one weren't already busy thinking about the Global Consciousness Project (just for example ;-) ), one might be led to wonder whether the entire architecture of the American educational system was designed to eviscerate the portion of human faculty which facilitates the questioning of leadership and leave only a sub-human worker/television-watcher/procreator as the end product.

Public education system as surgical tool to remove undesirable attributes/potentials rather than grooming-system to the achievement of true potentials, did someone say???

"...and can be fatigued into compliance by muddying the waters, or negative inoculation : like confusing them with alot of disconnected facts."

Well, if one were inclined to wage a war on the already depleted time and attention-span of the American consumer/citizen, this would almost certainly be an effective tactic.

"Of course, I could be wrong.

I don't think much of Major Ed Dames or Princeton Eggs in much the same way as crop circle researchers feel about people who fake crop circles.

However, I'm always interested in upgrading my information. I threw in my two cents because at some level, I am looking for a satisfactory rebuttal to my views :-)"

Awesome! I'm really glad you are participating in this forum. :-)

2/8/05 7:07 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

"Awesome! I'm really glad you are participating in this forum. :-) "


Bro, we need more people like you...

TM333, Brian C, FK, and a few otheres including OMFS24 are continued assets, yes Crypto you are top up there too...

Love all ya comments...

Keep it coming, I'm here, I'm a theologan an Engineer a Theorist and many other talents, not least Scuba instructor and Windsurfer...

But...

Not blowing trupmets anymore...

Shuttle mission...

Tempel 1 spectrograph...

Spirit lander pictures...

Hi Res pictures of everything...

DATA on UFO's

Everything delivered to the public NOW!

Glad so many are waking up...

I wanna hear more $0.02 cents!

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 7:13 PM  
Viola Riviniana said...

Thanks jasgrave333 aka `Brian', you too! :-)

"Glad so many are waking up..."

Me too!

"I wanna hear more $0.02 cents!"

Me too, me too!

:-)

2/8/05 7:33 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Anonymous said ...

>Could there be a reason that NASA would want to leave the shuttle at ISS permanently? I’m thinking of a scenario where Russian capsules are used to rescue the astronauts three at a time leaving the shuttle and ISS empty. I think I remember years ago reading something you wrote about the ISS being built to go somewhere…..<

I don't think so. That ISS scenario involved taking the ISS to Mars (it IS a spaceship, after all!). But, leaving a SHuttle docked there in Earth orbit would not be useful ... for any foreseeable purpose ... other than to dramatically demonstrate the obsolesence of the Shuttles -- as I've pointed out in my latest article.


>What do you put the odds at that the current NASA administrator knows about another already working vehicle that could bring our people home? Do you really think we have one?<


Yes, I'm sure that Griffin -- both as a NASA engineer, AND as a (former?) CIA employee -- KNOWS all about the "black" space program ....

In my opinion, however, there will NEVER be a public crossover of monies (or technologies) between the two programs ....


>Continuing on, if the evolutionary technologies you speak about really exist and are introduced to the public I think you would agree that they would destroy entire industries. (Don’t misinterpret, I think that would be good overall.) Do you think our government is capable of aligning our society in such a way that the new jobs working with the new technology could fill in the gaps before chaos took over?<


I think one could easily devise political strategies to smooth such a critical transition ... certainly, with gas prices approaching $3.00 per gallon! Industry RUNS on cheap energy. If that is gone, then EVERYTHING goes ... and the economy goes into a tailspin. So, the other discussions here regarding "Peak OIL" ARE extremely relevant.

I just KNOW that such alternative energy sources and other such technologies exist. HOW they are brought forth now -- now that we REALLY need them -- is the issue ....

We MUST transition to these other technologies, just to keep civilization ALIVE. "They" just seem contented to "squeeze the last drop" out of the ground, "and the "last buck from our wallets," before that they will even begin to entertain such a critical transition ....

The reason for this (supposedly) lack-a-daisical attitude is EXTREMELY important to figure out. It's almost as if "someone" doesn't believe there WILL be a "future to prepare for."

Everyone needs to tune in this coming Sunday night, August 7th, when Tim Ventura (of the American Anti-Gravity Foundation) and I discuss this whole "alternative energy/anti-gravity/space propulsion problem" with George Noory, on his first Sunday Night "Coast" taking over from Art Bell.

Stay tuned .... :)

2/8/05 7:40 PM  
brian c said...

Viola Riviniana said...
"one might be led to wonder whether the entire architecture of the American educational system was designed to eviscerate the portion of human faculty which facilitates the questioning of leadership and leave only a sub-human worker/television-watcher/procreator as the end product."

Google for "prussian education" and "john gotto".

Essentially, or so the theory goes, the compulsory Prussian educational model is three-tiered. The upper tier, "the elites", consisting of less than a percentage of the populace, are given private schooling and groomed to be the leaders of society. The second tier, often called "the creatives", consists of maybe five percent, receive high level education and are trained to be scientists, engineers, doctors, etc.

The remaining 90-odd percent are taught obedience, conformity, and dogma.

2/8/05 7:47 PM  
Anonymous said...

wow i saw that "Secret NASA Transmissions: Smoking Gun" video, its amazing! have any of you watched this yet? i think this has a lot to do with why nasa is moving to end the shuttle program. Mr Hoagland what is your take on this video? have you seen it?


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000083C6D/102-6668363-4331313?v=glance

2/8/05 7:51 PM  
Anonymous said...

read this book regarding forced government education system - its why most of you are so ignorant.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/

2/8/05 7:53 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Dave said...

>>Also, is there a secret American space program that has discovered "controlled gravity" and which is at this very moment exploring space? That thought scares the heck out of me.<<

>Where do you think the TRILLIONS of black budget funds stolen from all Departments of the Govt. go to? Spy satellites & eavesdropping junk? Heck, the Pentagon alone is MISSING at LEAST 1.1 TRILLION dollars! That's 1,100,000,000,000!! That's not even counting the billions that go into the on-the-record, OFFICIAL Black Budget.<

>http://www.whereisthemoney.org/

>A very detailed look at the true extent of the Black Budget can be found at http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-Black-Budget.htm

>It's my opinion that we already have active bases on the Moon and Mars. This quarantine you speak of is enforced by our black op elite, nothing more.

>Here's a good article by somebody who stumbled onto the problem...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0209/S00126.htm

>Think about it seriously. I think we can all agree that at the very least NASA has found some strange stuff on Mars. Do you think the massive intelligence agencies are just sitting around waiting for NASA to get off the ground? The NASA we see is just like a "reality" TV show; secretly scripted for mass consumption, and designed to keep us distracted.

>This is all just my opinion, of course. But putting the dots together isn't that difficult.

>I don't want to ignore the specter of Peak Oil putting a huge dent in thier plans, because even tho they possess anti-gravity tech, they still need the support of a complex economy to keep things running smoothly. If that goes under, they're up the creek without a paddle. Hence Iraq.

Dave,

I think I basicly agree with you.

I didn't used to think there COULD be an "alternative space program, based on 'magical propulsion technologies'" ... until we began our research into the Hyperdimensional Physics possibilities we discovered by analysing the Cydonia Ruins.

Now, I'm not only aware of the THEORETICAL basis for such radical technologies, but have seen actual NASA evidence (the Shuttle STS-48 and STS-80 videos ...) demonstrating precisely such new space propulsion technolgies in ACTION ... in Earth orbit!

So, yes, I now firmly believe there are TWO "space programs" ... and the "hidden one" is having ALL the fun!! :(

Which makes this continuing charade with the Shuttle all the more immoral and insidious. NASA's killed 14 people over this continuing lie ... and could kill more, if they're not FORCED to go to something better. Of course, it's not just "NASA," it's entire the behind-the-scenes power arrangement that (for the simple reason that they HAVE to hide the REAL space program -- which IS walking amid the ruins at Cydonia!!!) NEEDS this whole charade to continue ....

2/8/05 8:04 PM  
MBMARAUDER said...

Richard, you have hit the nail on the head yet again. Cover-Up, Disclosure, & Cover-Up. When is NASA gonna get the message and realize the Space Shuttle is a LEMON and can never be fixed. Peoples lives are at stake here and they just wanna pay lip service and tell the world that they have everything under control, when in fact, they don't have a clue. The American Space Program is in deep stuff and is in jepordy of extinction. I hope it can be salvaged because it is a vital and important mission. My oppinion is, RICHARD C. HOAGLAND as head of NASA!!! Only then can we move forward with integrity and focus to discover the great mysteries of our universe!!!

2/8/05 8:10 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

PIF said ...

>FWIW - this AM on Fox, the switch from Freon foam was talked about - Tom Jones was on, he said something to the effect that NASA switched because Freon manufactures were shuttting down and to continue would mean paying through the nose for it. The host seemed to contradict him implying NASA switched on their own accord, and suggested that going back to Freon could solve the problem.<


Thanks to your able research skills [:)], I said the same thing essentially on "Coast" last week. And will again ....

This strongly indicates that someone WANTED this problem to CONTINUE ... starting MANY years ago (in 1997). If that "fix" is all that's REALLY required to keep the foam from flying off the Tank (!), it is doubly shameful that NASA has killed an entire crew because of this ... and put THIS crew of STS-114 in needless jeopardy (again!) ....

Remember, you found the actual NASA memo -- still on the web - -re this OLD problem, from 1997. And, NOTHING was done (as a NASA engineer told all of us in an earlier post here ...).

This is treason -- pure and simple -- again, apparently to KILL the Shuttle Program.

2/8/05 8:29 PM  
Tim brooks said...

"secret American space program" Yea, that would make sense to me. Let's think about it. In World War II we know that there where experments with ant-gravity by Germany with some results. So why would it stop? I didn't, it just went under ground. I mean think about it. UFO's, the pyramids, coral castle, and other like it, the tech is there, and is hidden from us. Look at the electrogravity theory there has been experments to validate some of the theory. I wrote a website about this but never really got it out on the net. You look at it a http://www.salug.org/~tbrooks/antigravity/AntiGravity.html but check it there are experments with antigravity with some success. So yeq, you have my vote for a "Secret Space Program", but Richard what do you know about it, have any sources, know anybody in it?

2/8/05 8:46 PM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan here

jasgrave; re the car lights blinking twice, methinks it was two blinks just to make sure we did not ignore it as a one time fluke. I'm there with all the other HD symbolism, but sometimes it is just the wind & waves.
Dave; yup, yup, & yup re the quarantine and black space program.
Not to mention black militarization of space, which explains 'pre-planned ufo sightings' and other fun&games.
thanks skipper
ps: anybody have advice on re-egistering username? seems it won't accept any combination.

2/8/05 8:46 PM  
brian c said...

Anonymous said...
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/"

Whoops, that's right, it's John Gatto, not John Gotto... my mistake.

2/8/05 9:14 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

"it is just the wind & waves."

You know sometimes I just hope the same things too...

Since May 8th 2005 I've not had that luxury...

so work with me...

but I hear you...

oh lord...

another rose-bead anyone?

2/8/05 9:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

GILLIGAN here

Tim Brooks; re anti-grav & nthe germans...You said "why wouldn't it stop?" Bingo! This is one clue that helped lead me to ponder a black space program. If they got anything useful, who doubts they'll use it? That stuff doesn't just get shelved & forgotten, now does it? I understand that in the fifties, anti-grav was all the rage in magazines like popular science etc, for some months/years, and the researchers were making progress. THEN, suddenly in the next month's issues NOTHING. Research disappeared! That got me thinking. Oh, those researchers musta just got interested in some other new toys, .... right ....
Later, I hear this guy on the radio,(Hoaglund, I think his name was, har har) He reported that
once upon a time, (when was that Richard?) the US Air Force invited the anti-grav crowd to an anti-grav symposium (did you say it was it in Carolina?). If I have it correct,
one outcome was the prediction that anti-grav craft would be operational (which color operational?) five years later. Then it was about 5 yrs later that matching reports began coming from area 51.
Skipper, please correct me if that is recalled inaccurately, but I think that is the gist of it, Tim Brooks.
Probably the symposium and the magazine articles disappearing happened around the same time.
Whaddayathink, Jas?
By the way this story reminds me, years ago on art bell, there were various tales of top guys in aerospace etc, sort of dropping out of sight. It just makes sense.

aloha, c

2/8/05 9:18 PM  
cryptosemiotician said...

I suppose social scientists (like me) are always touchy about who gets funding and why. This is the source of my half-baked Princeton Egg suspicions. Scratch a cynic and you'll find a failed idealist.

Even I was noticing my cynicism - ad hominem and circumstantial is an anti-social way of fishing for more information. My excuse is that I type with a 2 week old on my desk. I'm not quite a failed idealist yet, but Grad School limits Teaching Assistants to 15hrs/wk (wouldn't want them to eat, or anything) so I got a day-job ... which just went on strike. My thesis tracks the difference between polity (people's history) and territory (legal history) - so, in my academic career, I bait social scientists to apply science - rather than the other way around.

From what I can tell, elites set up the system we have, questioning Capitalism was forbidden during the Cold War. Elites are playing the game today, with other 'support cults' set up as decoys by the symbols and sacred numbers they were given.

What I heard about the Princeton Egg made me think that it can predict news headlines, or an eventful news day - and it seemed so unusual for a University to allow the perception that their research 'predicted 9-11'. PEAR overlaps my research by correlating names with political position. Mine uses measurement and I know how I am grilled - by social scientists, no less ... and subjectively, Princeton seemed to be getting away with (academic) murder.

I'll try not to be as cynical :-)

Thanks to Brian's relentless research, I've got almost a full page of notes & bible quotes to read. There is a science to superstition and we'll figure it out, given enough time. I'm a big fan of Enterprise Mission because they ask questions, they usually look for something to measure and then look to the scientific method.

2/8/05 9:23 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Richard,
"the REAL space program -- which IS walking amid the ruins at Cydonia!"

Now that was mouthful dear friend!

2/8/05 9:27 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

PIF said...

>Richard - just tried your suggestion to email the blog - I didn't know this was an option - good idea. However something is wrong with the coding - after "The Deep Impact Team should take a MAJOR hint...." The rest turns into one unreadable continuous pargraph. Since your blogs are long, anyone seeing this format would be less likely to print it out, read it, or try to make scense of your words.

>Other of your blogs look much the same - four paragraphs, then one run on. I looked at the page code but nothing stands out -but might be some style. Perhaps the fault lies in how the blog gets pasted into the email - the Blogger.com code may not be up to long pastes?<

Pif,

Oh, bummer .... :(

OK, in the meantime then, send the TITLE and the LINK of the "Captain's Blog" PAGE to folks ... til we get this sorted out.

Then, Pif, can you directly e-mail Blogger.com on our behalf and ask them if this is a "standard length default" (it'd be crazy, if it was ...)?

I'm a bit tied up right now .... :)

Thanks.

2/8/05 9:33 PM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan

Richard, Of course, as you know better than I, if they have the means they are already stompin around on the face, and the moon, & god knows where else. Who the hell wouldn't go and go and go!!?? As you once said; 'we just have to get the keys'.
And as Steven Greer once said; 'No, let's not waste a cent or a minute on prosecuting/punishing the misguided perpetrators' Let's just move on. I think that at that point (disclosure/transformation)
prosecuting the cabals might be kinda moot.
How far do you think they have gotten Richard? Beyond Mars? Where? And what the heck is that ridge on Iapetus? It's a construction feature, like a joining mechanism?
thanks again
aloha, c

2/8/05 9:35 PM  
Fusion Knight said...

Richard said...

"But, leaving a SHuttle docked there in Earth orbit would not be useful ... for any foreseeable purpose ... other than to dramatically demonstrate the obsolesence of the Shuttles."

MBMarauder said...

"When is NASA gonna get the message and realize the Space Shuttle is a LEMON and can never be fixed."

Okay, we can agree that LOE is a short leash. We can agree that the foam "problem" is a danger to the crew. We can agree that the shuttle is old...

BUT, it FLIES! Leaving the space shuttle in orbit would be a heck of a lot better than tossing it into the garbage. We have to face the fact that it DOES work, and what doesn't (e.g. the foam) COULD be fixed by engineers demonstrating a little due dilagence.

If we were going to decomission the shuttle fleet, why don't we send them all up and dock them with ISS? We could use the extra payload, living/working environment, extra science packages etc. There is NO REASON to throw the shuttle fleet away. There is NO REASON to throw the ISS away.

Like I said before, if it's already in orbit, that's 99% of the battle, no matter WHAT it is.

2/8/05 9:39 PM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan

fusion, my thoughts exactly re stupidity of waasting what we already have that works.
On the other hand, as Richard said, there is already better out there (way, way out there)
ps any advice on getting new username accepted for login?
aloha, C

2/8/05 9:44 PM  
Tim brooks said...

Wow, I was just looking at some concept art on a new CEV Shuttle, this thing is going to stink it up. Look...
http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_lockheed_cev_050503_02.jpg&cap=NASA+received+proposals+this+week+from+companies+vying+to+build+the+Crew+Exploration+Vehicle.+Lockheed+Martin+proposal+features+lifting+body+concept+that+can+be+augmented+to+support+Moon+and+Mars+expeditionary+campaigns.+Image+Credit%3A+Lockheed+Martin

or do a google search for "CEV space.com"

It look like they will hardly have room to fart in it, and no real cargo bay. I think they should just build a craft that would have the same roll as the current shuttle
then say to hell with build something else to go to mars with, just use the "ISS". It is already there and is suppost to be able to keep people on long term bases.
Just strap on a landing craft and some rockets to get it there. I said this before if there going to build something, build something worthwild. Don't just go for the cheapest crap money can buy. It is my tax dollors and you have my permission!

2/8/05 9:47 PM  
Viola Riviniana said...

Brian C. said:

"Whoops, that's right, it's John Gatto, not John Gotto... my mistake."

Gatto's on my reading list, right after Thornhill/Palmer.

Thanks for the recommend! :)

2/8/05 9:49 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Jayson said...

>Last night on COAST, Robert Zimmerman speculated that the reason we're not seeing the data is because NASA wants to give the scientists on the mission enough time with the data so that THEY are the ones who receive credit for "discoveries" before anyone else.

>It almost makes sense, but do you buy that?<

And placing OUR data on an OFFICIAL NASA website -- with the names of the actual NASA scientists involved -- would NOT be giving them "credit" ... HOW!!??

Sory, but I can't help smiling at that ....

It's all part of the continuing "con."

As Crypoto has said, many times and many ways, here: it's ALL about "ownership."

We PAY for the spacecraft, the tracking networks, the computers, the time of all of NASA employees, the various scientists on the missions, their grad students, equipment, etc., etc., etc. ... but THEY still "own" the data that WE'VE paid for!!

We're just the (sorry) "slaves" ... whose labor allows THEM their "toys and (secret) discoveries" -- at OUR expense ....

As Walter used to say, "That's the way it is ..."

Until YOU get fed up with it ... and DO something.

2/8/05 9:55 PM  
Brude said...

1992 UY 4: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?des=1992%20UY4

It is on that site, I think you just input the number of the object using an incorrect form - if you search that page you can find a link to all of the objects, I just searched for "1992" and found it in a second.

2/8/05 10:03 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

"s any advice on getting new username accepted for login?"

Crypto, I hear you bro...

...it's like you've had a hack...

I used to work for Cisco Security, the password system and encyryption used to drive me nuts, but it worked...

...could be the 'Sinister powers' are hacking each of us...

secure your password's

no less than 8 digits...

with alpha numeric combo

want one?

1t1m31wa5wa1k1n9

one time I was walking ;)

alpha hard 2 crack sheet ;)

'done know', as they say here in the Caribbean...

We're just the (sorry) "slaves" ... whose labor allows THEM their "toys and (secret) discoveries" -- at OUR expense ....

As Walter used to say, "That's the way it is ..."

Until YOU get fed up with it ... and DO something.

Richard right here, ready to do something and more...

keep up the blogs...

Am here waiting... ready to spread the news/word...

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 10:09 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Brude, "1992 UY 4: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?des=1992%20UY4

It is on that site, I think you just input the number of the object using an incorrect form - if you search that page you can find a link to all of the objects, I just searched for "1992" and found it in a second. "



Thanks for doing the extra re-search on this, it intrigued me for several reasons

The URL listed the 'object' as 2BUY4 in the URL.

2 by 4 is an English as no doubt American expression meaning a plank to hit someone with...

The fact that NASA's own website couldn't list an object they listed, made me jump!

Especially when called 2by4

OK Brude, dont wanna putcha on the spot, but you kinda volunteered...

...what does the data say?

Regarding the 1992 object...

Which coincides with the 1991 Oil for food scandal

and the UN WTBTS affair et all other massive acts of wierdness...

was it just me or was 1991 a year of beginings of madness including my first marriage...

J aka 'on a rant Brian'

2/8/05 10:15 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Richard,

This just came up for me, from your comment<"the REAL space program -- which IS walking amid the ruins at Cydonia!"

Now if that is not simply rhetorical, then this might make sense.
VOSTOK, ANTARCTICA (AMP) — @lantisTV is reporting that a TV crew in search of a secret U.S. archeological dig in East Antarctica has disappeared. http://www.lantis.tv/amp/releases/crew.html
I know this is a loose thread, but it jumped out subjectively and immediately from your comment. If nothing else, there's lots of archeological digging goin on!

2/8/05 10:24 PM  
Brude said...

jasgrave,

Well, I don't know about all that other stuff (except that yes, a 2by4 is a common-sized piece of wood used in construction, often mentioned in connection with hitting people in the head). Interestingly, anyone who's built anything with a 2x4 can tell you that they aren't actually 2"x4", I believe they are a bit less.

As for the asteroid/comet, it comes within .0405 AU and .0406 AU of the Earth on August 8th to 9th. When you move around the sliders you can get a good view of the earth and object paths in 3D (god, this is a neat site!) and it's clear (at least from this little gizmo's projections, whatever that's worth), that it isn't really even in the same orbital plane as the earth. Also, by the time it runs this close, it has also passed the orbital radius of the earth, as well. It's close, but doesn't seem to have even intersected with our path, at least not this time.

2/8/05 10:28 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Anonymous said...

>I do salute you for having the gravitas to come on here and debate.<

>My problem with Dames is his horrendous track record. The man has been crying wolf for years. All I need is something to come true to make me believe that he isn't full of crap. That has never happened. You would think the Biblical size of the tsunami would have been seen by at least one supposed psychic. That did not happen, 6 billion people on the Earth and not one sounded the prediction alarm. That was the day any shred of "maybe psychics are real" died for me. After that day I had to call "Bullshit"!<

>Ten Alp<


Ten Alp ... and everybody else:

You obviously don't know how these people THINK: it's a GAME to them ... continuing to fool us, as much as "communicating important information" they've been instructed to communicate to "someone." It makes them feel POWERFUL ... and BETTER than the rest of us.

So, Dames comes on radio ... for years ... and blathers on and on about "remote viewing," "remote viewing Satan," "remote viewing finding gold in the desert ..." "remote viewing seeing the Sun flare that will end-all- life-on-Earth," etc., etc,, etc -- and after a while we (and most "Coast" listeners) IGNORE him (which brings up the separate and fascinating question: why has Art put him on again ... and again ... and again ... when its ALWAYS the "same old ... same old?" is THAT "good radio?").

But -- Dames' now IN PLACE -- on a widely listened to network talk show ... for YEARS. As a military/intel "voice" ... if and when he's ever "needed."

Then comes "the day."

Key people are told innocuously (via a phone call, an e-mail ... an ad, maybe sent out by Premiere ... whatever), "oh, and listen to 'Coast' tonight ...."

That call (or e-mail) in and of itself is untracable and completely innocent .. IF anyone comes looking afterwards. It contains NO "incriminating information." It's just about a "radio show" ... and a widely popular one at that.

But, so instructed, those "with a need to know," having been now carefully ALERTED, listen carefully to "Coast" last Sunday night... and hear an official, "former" Military/Intel DIA veteran, Major ED Dames, speak in dark tones SPECIFICALLY about the fate of a CURRENT NASA Shuttle Mission ....

Only THE MOST IMPORTANT NASA MISSION, perhaps, in NASA's Entire existence (because the fate of the entire Agency undoubtedly now hangs on its successful retrieval of a LIVE crew)!!!

Do I need to lay out more dots!!??

Remember: the MOST effective "agents" are those who are "invisible" ... in plain sight.

God, don't you guys watch ANY spy movies anymore ...? :)

Also remember: now, according to the way these people think, the "enemy" is US!!!

2/8/05 10:38 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Bruno, thank you for your research appreciated "As for the asteroid/comet, it comes within .0405 AU and .0406 AU of the Earth on August 8th to 9th. When you move around the sliders you can get a good view of the earth and object paths in 3D (god, this is a neat site!) and it's clear (at least from this little gizmo's projections, whatever that's worth), that it isn't really even in the same orbital plane as the earth. Also, by the time it runs this close, it has also passed the orbital radius of the earth, as well. It's close, but doesn't seem to have even intersected with our path, at least not this time.

2/8/05 10:28 PM "



The above report interested me more as you mention, it was out of search parameters, why?

Still you found the data...

It still coincides with the shuttle's return

And

it's a large object...

all coincidental, but still along with this...

...again to re-mention (sorry Richard)...

I blogged a *HUGE* object next to the sun July 18th and 19th here:

http://strange-spot-next-to-sun-18th-july-05.blogspot.com/

and low and behold...

a little while later

Spaceweather.com is reporting seeing the shuttle as an odd spot against the sun

and a Xth 10th tenth planet is found orbiting the sun...

...of course I dont think it's coincidental...

Pass me the chalice please

yes and the lighter...

[hissssss]

yep I dont see any coincidence...

conditioned to buy clothes and look at pop music charts...

no wait...

endless MS upgrades to my OS's

or

my Car needs servicing...

Come on people wake up...

or am I really asleep?

J aka 'Brian'

2/8/05 10:40 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Templemaster333 said...

>It has always bothered me that Earth and Mars have a day length that differs by only about 4%.

>Earth day length = 0.99*24 hrs

>Mars Day length = 1.03*24 hrs

>The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace. That is, if an observer stood on the surface of either planet and looked upwards at the other, it would always appear in the same place. According to my calculations, if the Earth and Mars have not substantially changed their rotational speed and masses before and after a break-up of the pair (caused by a gravitational interaction with a very large PLANET X ?) they would have orbited each other at only about 26,000 miles. I estimate that the surface of Mars would start to break-up from Earth gravity at about 20,000 miles, so this would make for some very interesting geological dynamics on both planets. At least space travel between the two would be a breeze due to the opposite gravity vectors. The remains of giant pictograms discovered on Mars would also make more sense in this scenario, as they might have been visible from Earth. (If these are all grouped around a particular longitude on Mars, that would give a clue as to which side faced Earth !) How might you or anybody else out there envision such a scenario?<


Fascinating idea!!

In a solar system where planets can explode, and ancient civilizations (equipped with Hyperdimensional Technology) could LITERALLY move whole worlds around ... it's a wondeful, ORIGINAL idea .... :)

In fact, I'll ask Tom Van Flandern about some of the detailed celestial mechanics .... Of course, Tom is still resisting MY idea that the Physics could allow actual movement of whole worlds, but that won't affect the numbers. :)

2/8/05 11:28 PM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Everyone,

NASA sent its nightly wake-up call to the crew of Discovery a little while ago: it was the THEME song from the TV series "Enterprise!!"

And ... it was a SPECIFIC DEDICATION to the entire Discovery crew "from the NASA Deputy Space Shuttle Program Manager, Wayne Hale" ....

The SAME "Wayne Hale" who is specifically mentioned -- with his picture -- in the latest Enterprise "Captain's Blog."

Sheer "coincidence" ... of course.

The message is GETTING through.

Stay tuned!

2/8/05 11:36 PM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan

Peak oil ?
Anyone remember the 'oil crisis' in the 70's?
That winter old folks were freezing for lack of heating oil. At the filling stations people were fighting over gas. Meanwhile, a friend who oversaw the unloading of tankers in Boston harbor learned from the sailors that just over the horizon, out of sight, tankers were parked and or being shuffled up and down the east coast. There was no oil shortage, but I guess most here know that.
Now they are pounding their drums about Peak Oil. Could it be a scam?
Save time, just look first for the scam behind the story.

3/8/05 12:29 AM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan

Speaking of the 70's 'oil crisis' ..... Remember Jimmy Carter wearing his sweater around the White House? I've always wondered, was (is) he one of 'them' ? Lately he's in Africa promoting aids education, so I wonder ... I thought 'they' were on the other side of the aids issue. Maybe Jimmy is different.
Is there such thing as getting into the White House without being one of them?
Anybody know?
aloha c

3/8/05 12:41 AM  
cryptosemiotician said...

My wife really liked the glyph of the girl with the kerchief over her hair. Has that artifact been named ?

Would mutual tidal orbit affect gravity enough to enable the dinosaurs to stand up ?

The mathematical center of landmass on Earth is Jerusalem and land appears to be mostly on one half of the planet.

3/8/05 12:57 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Tim brooks said...

>"secret American space program" Yea, that would make sense to me. Let's think about it. In World War II we know that there where experments with ant-gravity by Germany with some results. So why would it stop? I didn't, it just went under ground. I mean think about it. UFO's, the pyramids, coral castle, and other like it, the tech is there, and is hidden from us. Look at the electrogravity theory there has been experments to validate some of the theory. I wrote a website about this but never really got it out on the net. You look at it a http://www.salug.org/~tbrooks/antigravity/AntiGravity.html but check it there are experments with antigravity with some success. So yeq, you have my vote for a "Secret Space Program", but Richard what do you know about it, have any sources, know anybody in it?<


Yes, those revolutionary physics theories and laboratory experiments in gravity control continued right up to the present, long after WWII.

Because of this, anti-gravity control technology now EXISTS! Just read Nick Cook's book: "The Hunt For Zero Point." (Cook's the mainstream "Jane's Defense Weekly" investigative journalist, remember?)

And, yes, we have our own "inside sources," who are giving us real information on the current "secret" program. Re-read my latest "Captain's Blog."

And ... listen Sunday, August 7th, to me and Tim ventura on "Coast" discuss all this in detail.

3/8/05 1:00 AM  
Anonymous said...

gilligan

richard, do you know whether 'our' black craft have been beyond mars?
aloha

3/8/05 1:11 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

GILLIGAN,

>Tim Brooks; re anti-grav & nthe germans...You said "why wouldn't it stop?" Bingo! This is one clue that helped lead me to ponder a black space program. If they got anything useful, who doubts they'll use it? That stuff doesn't just get shelved & forgotten, now does it? I understand that in the fifties, anti-grav was all the rage in magazines like popular science etc, for some months/years, and the researchers were making progress. THEN, suddenly in the next month's issues NOTHING. Research disappeared! That got me thinking. Oh, those researchers musta just got interested in some other new toys, .... right ....
Later, I hear this guy on the radio,(Hoaglund, I think his name was, har har) He reported that
once upon a time, (when was that Richard?) the US Air Force invited the anti-grav crowd to an anti-grav symposium (did you say it was it in Carolina?). If I have it correct,
one outcome was the prediction that anti-grav craft would be operational (which color operational?) five years later. Then it was about 5 yrs later that matching reports began coming from area 51.
Skipper, please correct me if that is recalled inaccurately, but I think that is the gist of it, Tim Brooks.
Probably the symposium and the magazine articles disappearing happened around the same time.
Whaddayathink, Jas?
By the way this story reminds me, years ago on art bell, there were various tales of top guys in aerospace etc, sort of dropping out of sight. It just makes sense.

>Aloha, c<


I agree.

You have an excellent memory: it was an Air Force Conference in North Carolina in 1958. After that, all PUBLIC (magazine, radio, newspaper, "sunday supplement," etc.) discussions of official anti-gravity physics or engineering just DISAPPEARED.

My model is simple: it went "black" ... only to show up on those NASA Shuttle videos 20 years later ... in Earth orbit.

3/8/05 1:29 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Gilligan,

>Richard, Of course, as you know better than I, if they have the means they are already stompin around on the face, and the moon, & god knows where else. Who the hell wouldn't go and go and go!!?? As you once said; 'we just have to get the keys'.

>And as Steven Greer once said; 'No, let's not waste a cent or a minute on prosecuting/punishing the misguided perpetrators' Let's just move on. I think that at that point (disclosure/transformation)
prosecuting the cabals might be kinda moot.

>How far do you think they have gotten Richard? Beyond Mars? Where? And what the heck is that ridge on Iapetus? It's a construction feature, like a joining mechanism?
thanks again

>aloha, c<


It's like the old joke about "Where does an 800-lb gorilla sleep ...? ANYWHERE IT WANTS TO.

They've gone ANYWHERE they want to go ... while NASA (the charade) is still stuck in "low Earth orbit." And ... desperately ... trying (the "honest" part) NOT to kill more Shuttle astronauts ....

Pathetic.

3/8/05 2:09 AM  
Massimo IT said...

Richard,
"Which makes this continuing charade with the Shuttle all the more immoral and insidious. NASA's killed 14 people over this continuing lie ... and could kill more, if they're not FORCED to go to something better. Of course, it's not just "NASA," it's entire the behind-the-scenes power arrangement that (for the simple reason that they HAVE to hide the REAL space program -- which IS walking amid the ruins at Cydonia!!!) NEEDS this whole charade to continue ...."

You have told it, in the end.
Two things:
1) what can be seen on NASA and ESA pictures from Mars today ... may be us!
2) if that is true, also Alternative 3 may be true.

Unbelievable!

3/8/05 4:58 AM  
raised eyebrow said...

Watching the spacewalk right now (just about to begin the gap filler removal). Mission control narrator just said the fillers are used to "prevent excessive chattering of the tiles" during launch (a shock absorption of sorts) and NOT to provide any type of "thermal protection" during re-entry.

This is the first time I've heard NASA differentiate the usage/purpose/effects of these fillers at the two critical events of a flight (of course, I haven't been staying in a TIGHT loop around the subject, so I could've easily missed something ealier).

Anyway, just thought I'd pass it along, maybe see what Richard thinks?

3/8/05 5:54 AM  
Brude said...

Another close approach by an object, in fact this one is closer than the other one mentioned earlier (it will be .0282 AU on August 16th).

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?des=2005%20OE3

Playing with this toy is just too fun - I've been running tons of these for about a year or two out. This is by far the closest approach I've seen yet.

3/8/05 6:10 AM  
raised eyebrow said...

well, both gap fillers came out very easily (too easily, you might say!) only about 1.5 lbs of force required for the most difficult piece. At first I thought, why not just push them back in if they weren't that stubborn, but with as easy as they came out, they'd probably just slip back out on re-entry, possibly re-posing the problem.

Just hope it works and gets these fine people home!

3/8/05 7:05 AM  
PIF said...

RCH said,
>Thanks to your able research skills<
You are more than welcome.

ON the email blog paste issue: Solved.
I emailed the current blog to myself. What the emailer sees before sending is not a problem, since the email contains only a link to the blog.

From: X
Subject: Captain's Blog: Return to Flight ... A Tale of Tiles ....
Date: August 3, 2005 7:16:02 AM
To: X
X has sent you a link to a weblog:
(300 word text message goes here)

Blog: Captain's Blog
Post: Return to Flight ... A Tale of Tiles ....
Link: http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/07/return-to-flight-tale-of-tiles.html
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3/8/05 8:02 AM  
PIF said...

I heard - on CSPAN's WA Journal - an old engineer call in and suggest using aluminum fibers in the foam, since AL gets strong the colder it is - at liquid H temps, it is stronger than steel.

3/8/05 8:02 AM  
PIF said...

Templemaster333, RCH:
>The additional fact that these are adjacent planets makes me very suspicious that these planets were once locked in a MUTUAL tidal embrace.<

There is an old book, (1974) called "Colony Earth" by Richard E. Mooney. In it he mentions but does not elaborate this point. He says there is 'ample geological evidence to suggest that during its first two billion years Earth was tidally locked to the sun' and 'for reasons unknown' began to spin after than. His thesis seem to be that we were 'planted' here at some time some how. (I'm reading it now but have not gotten far along).

The tidally locked idea also is mentioned by David Talbot in regard to Saturn: Earth, Mars, and Venus were once tidally locked with Saturn. Something happened to change all this.

Different authors, different times, tidal locking, something causing this phase to end, something causing axial spin. Perhaps what we are looking at are events widely separated in time, each with different results. But looking at the remaining evidence, we see them, at present, as one event? Ask TVF if this might be a possibility, if the underlying physics also altered? The physics constants today may not be constants at all - there was a drastic altering of early universe physics from those we see today.

3/8/05 8:03 AM  
PIF said...

cryptosemiotician:
Would mutual tidal orbit affect gravity enough to enable the dinosaurs to stand up ?

Yes, if they were living on the side of the Earth away from the body Earth was tidally locked on. Gravity would be slightly less. See: 'Cradle of Saturn' by James P. Hogan for a more detailed explanation. It is also interesting to note that the geological reconstuctions of early Earth's land-masses have most of the mass on one side of the planet.

3/8/05 8:03 AM  
PIF said...

Tim,
There are several vehicles - the concept is to use medium (35ton) CEV lift for crew and some cargo, heavy (55ton) CEV for more crew room and larger packages. However the real lifting would be dome by automated unmanned heavy lift vehicles - 100ton. All would use existing parts and work forces. Each of these concepts could be put in service relatively quickly and at low cost. All the vehicles are designed to evolve into larger ones with more capacity. The idea is to get the job done, safely, cheaply and efficiently. This heavy lift concept would, with each launch, put more stuff into orbit then 4 shuttles.

And since the design is from the private sector, would eventually stop using massive amount of your tax dollars for each launch. I saw the hearings to come up with the next CEV. One fellow testified that one non-intrusive plaque anywhere on or in the CEV would (to start) bring in over one million dollars in NET revenue. This had long ago been presented to NASA, but there was no mechanism to track the money: the money would have gone directly to the Treasury Dept. and not to NASA. There was an initial recommendation for Congress to address this problem, but I have no idea if it was brought up.

3/8/05 8:04 AM  
Anonymous said...

Dear Richard,

Came across an article today (08-03-05) on wired.com (via Coast-to-Coast AM) about maverick theorists on Deep Impact. If you have read it, any comment?

Joe

3/8/05 8:04 AM  
PIF said...

RCH said:
>Also remember: now, according to the way these people think, the "enemy" is US!!!<

Perhaps we should change our blog names to "Enemy Agent # XX" or the like :)

3/8/05 8:04 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Whow, way too much chalice last night...

I'm sure I heard many varied witness accounts on CNN last night reporting the following...

- Lightning hit on plane

- 60 mins intense thunder storm

- No AIR BUS accident in 13 Thirteen years

Dont wanna say anything too early but all of the above, is truly amazing...

This plane has more technology than your average, it's safety record is 13 years upheld...

But...

13 again!!!

13 days in space

13th July original launch date

13 Tons of Trash aboard the ISS

31st July last launch date window

4th July Temple 1 mission...

1+3 = 4

Just looking at all the dots...


Brude, this also fascinated me..."Brude said...
Another close approach by an object, in fact this one is closer than the other one mentioned earlier (it will be .0282 AU on August 16th).

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?des=2005%20OE3

Playing with this toy is just too fun - I've been running tons of these for about a year or two out. This is by far the closest approach I've seen yet.

3/8/05 6:10 AM"



Closest approach...

I'm not an expert, do you consider this an 'Unusual' occurence?

Coincidental with the Ark of Covenant on the 14th of August?

and NASA landing on 7th?

TWO large objects coming VERY close to earth with in 8 days of each other

8th 1992 UY4

16th 2005 20OE3

strange strange and probably not coincidental in any way...

;)

of course, Brude I think it's also to use ancient words, an omen...

meaning, it's probably all adding up to the bigger picture somewhere...

more and more dots keep turning up...

now all we gotta do is join them up a little more...

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 9:07 AM  
Anonymous said...

Ok can I just jump in here for a second, only been following this blog for a few days...

jasgrave333, what happened on May 8th 2005 and what is this about the "Ark of the Covenant on the 14th of August"?

3/8/05 9:16 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Hi Annonymous... Good questions thank u 4 asking...

"Anonymous said...
Ok can I just jump in here for a second, only been following this blog for a few days...

jasgrave333, what happened on May 8th 2005 and what is this about the "Ark of the Covenant on the 14th of August"?

3/8/05 9:16 AM"

All the Ark of the Covenant discussion is continued throughout the temple 1 blog and a lot further up this blog also in the 'tail of tiles' blog...

Richard has openend up a great forum to discuss what potentially is the biggest set of dots sitting right up there in Goverment, controlling events from Dark corners...


For a simple explanation of the AotC find and revealing, you could go to www.vendyljones.org.il

or

you could read my blogs or all the comments throughout the blogs since Temple 1...

This blog regarding NASA and the complete similarity in the Research I'm carrying out on the date of Armageddon which is blogged here:

jasgrave333.blogspot.com

NASA's current activity and strange behaviour maybe linked in many large ways to;

Secret Societies i.e. Freemasonary

OIL Scandal 1991 etc...

UFO and disinformation

Occult ritual and reverence

Current IRAQ war and it's true aim

The Israeli Gaza strip removal of 8000 inhabitants on the 15th of August...


Summary...

Ark of the Covenant, has been found by an Archaelogist called Vendyl Jones

(apparently NOTHING to do with the film - Indiana Jones)

It's going to be revealed on the 14th August Canada free press article:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover062905.htm

Apparently

The UNITED NATIONS has a replica Ark of the Covenant


In which they have placed a document called Charter to the earth...

Not to keep repeating the points, but for anyone Just joining,

please please please :)

Read the whole blog, you will probably find the points you are looking for above...

If not feel free to ask the questions...

Of course, I would urge everyone to research using google or whichever search engine you prefer.

And

Read all of the Blogs on Richard C. Hoaglands enterprise mission pages...

A lot of my questions have been answered too...

Trouble is I just keep coming up with more...

...as I find more *Wierd* coincidental reported factual phenomena.

Even tho I still think HGWell is a 33degree thing or was...

The truth will come out one day...

PS ID CARD anyone?

PPS Police state a fascist society...

PPPS Dont run, look scared, if your brown and wearing a heavy coat...

Ranting again >:)

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 9:32 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

OK some more strange coincidences...

Jerusalem, said to sit upon the largest actual percentage of land mass, as in it rests on a thick piece of earths mantle...

Pretty much like the great Pyramid at Giza...

hmmm Giza and Gaza...

(Please anybody everybody, if I get the facts wrong, feel free to debunk etc as you see mistakes)

Regarding the Ark of the Covenant and all the strange dates and occurences sorounding this;

This just in:

ROYAL SEAL UNEARTHED IN CITY OF DAVID

Posted By: Curious
Date: Wednesday, 3 August 2005, 8:35 a.m.

A royal seal dating to the period of the First Temple has been found in an archeological dig in the City of David, adjacent to the Old City of Jerusalem. The seal’s inscription has the name of Jehudi, son of Shelemiah, one of the top officials in the court of the last Judean king prior to the destruction of the First Temple, King Zedekiah. He is mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah. The seal dates from about 580 B.C.E.

The seal was found at the site which the is the site of the palace of the Judean kings, according to archaeologists under the supervision of Dr. Eilat Mazar of the Hebrew University. Several years ago, another circa-580 B.C.E. royal seal was found in the same site. It had the name of Gemaryahu, son of Shafan, who is also mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah, and was a top official in the court of King Zedekiah's predecessor, King Yehoyachim.

These findings support the description in the Bible of the importance of Jerusalem in Jewish history. The First Temple was the center of Judean political and religious life and is at the center of Jewish claims to historical links to Jerusalem, as repeated by Jews throughout the generations who pray for "Next year in Jerusalem."

*SNIP*


http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=86939


J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 9:47 AM  
Professor X said...

Richard said:

***But -- Dames' now IN PLACE -- on a widely listened to network talk show ... for YEARS. As a military/intel "voice" ... if and when he's ever "needed."

Then comes "the day."

Key people are told innocuously (via a phone call, an e-mail ... an ad, maybe sent out by Premiere ... whatever), "oh, and listen to 'Coast' tonight ...."***

I'm really trying to understand where you are coming from and I don't see how it makes any sense in the real world. Movies and the real world are two different things, I can see how one can try to "see" real world through movies and science fiction, but c'on man this is not serious.

Back to "movie" Dames. So, key people are told to listen to Coast, etc. Here comes a very simple question. ***WHY?***

If these people really are key people why on God's green Earth do they need to listen to Coast to hear Dames and hear what? Some goof ball they never heard of saying that he remote view 15% chance of Shuttle having a successful landing. Yeah, sure that sounds reasonable.

And who are these key people? Key to what? Let's even assume that they do listen to Coast and hear Dames. Here comes another extremely simple question. ***So what?*** If these people are key to preventing Shuttle disaster I guarantee you that they don't listen to Coast. Oh and check this out. They would hear Dames talk about all his other nonsense like "kill shot", etc. It was predictable to hear Dames say something like that about the Shuttle. No movies needed for that. Dames always “remote views” the hot story of the day. When nothing happens (as always) and he is confronted with it watch him spin it like he always does.

3/8/05 10:00 AM  
Fusion Knight said...

Hey guys,

Check this out!

http://www.gravity.org/

"To spread the fun around, Schnurer has formed the Gravity Society, with Podkletnov and Modanese as charter members. It now has a bare-bones Web page (http://www.gravity.org) and should soon offer scientific papers from the trio."

Why does it have a big picture of MARS on the front page??????

3/8/05 10:13 AM  
Fusion Knight said...

Sorry, I meant to reference that quote. It's from an article at http://www.businessweek.com/1997/07/b3514118.htm

3/8/05 10:16 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Proffessor X...

surely you can see, that blogging all these occurences, coincidences all TIME and DATE stamped.

All of these comments here, precede in an amlost 'UNPRESIDENTED' way...

The freedom of Speach and thought

So when NASA comes round to saying well "we didn't think..." or we "didn't know..."

There are a multitude of voices here, saying we told you so and we know!!!

All nicely time and date stamped!

Job 7:6 only time the word SHUTTLE is used in the bible

OH and it was launched on the 26th...

hi hi hi coincidences NOT!!!

PS The word 'Disaster' is used FIVE times in that Same Bible book of Job!

Why is that significant, we have yet to see...

jasgrave333.blogspot.com


"And who are these key people? Key to what? Let's even assume that they do listen to Coast and hear Dames. Here comes another extremely simple question. ***So what?*** If these people are key to preventing Shuttle disaster I guarantee you that they don't listen to Coast. Oh and check this out. They would hear Dames talk about all his other nonsense like "kill shot", etc. It was predictable to hear Dames say something like that about the Shuttle. No movies needed for that. Dames always “remote views” the hot story of the day. When nothing happens (as always) and he is confronted with it watch him spin it like he always does.

3/8/05 10:00 AM"


You raise some interesting points here...

Who are these people...?

- I'm guessing these 'shaddowy' figures have yet to make a proper appearance...

So what...?

- As a living and breathing Human Being, space, Exploration and science has fascinated me, as has the teaching from the bible that we come from AN ADVANCED culture!!!

We orginated from a superculture, and quarantined away from our Anscestors...

During the time of the end, one of God's sons would put in a second appearance and start warning of the upcoming calamity...

I'm seeing plenty of people here awake and listening...

Dames right or wrong, is in an unusual and unenviable position of probably being right...

Which also fits what I'm researching on my blogs regarding current media/news events and bible prophecy...

Summary to that answer...

So what is our life our future our childrens future, more importantly the future of our relationship with God THE SUPERBEING...

The bible has descriptions of advanced beings contacting us...

This blog coincides with a lot of Engineering theories I have regarding these advanced beings and our relationship to them...

So why not let Dames say his thing...

We can hear/listen or we can ignore...

We all have a choice and the ability to choose...

I chose to listen as it was coincidental to the Huge amount of research piling in...

If he spins it, let's keep an eye on his eyes :)

lying is hard, especially when the world is watching...

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 10:27 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Fusion Knight said...
Hey guys,

Check this out!

http://www.gravity.org/

"To spread the fun around, Schnurer has formed the Gravity Society, with Podkletnov and Modanese as charter members. It now has a bare-bones Web page (http://www.gravity.org) and should soon offer scientific papers from the trio."

Why does it have a big picture of MARS on the front page??????


FK, nice site, yep curious about that gorgeous MAR's picture on the front there...

still we are living in interesting times...

I also note, you are taking my gravity requirement for a space mission seriously ;)

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 10:38 AM  
Fusion Knight said...

Brian,

I'm not willing to rule anything out. What we need now is someone to build a device in their garage that shows anti-gravity can be produced easily and cheaply.

3/8/05 10:46 AM  
Blasted said...

Richard said:
"Now, I'm not only aware of the THEORETICAL basis for such radical technologies, but have seen actual NASA evidence (the Shuttle STS-48 and STS-80 videos ...) demonstrating precisely such new space propulsion technolgies in ACTION ... in Earth orbit!"

Seen this yet? Seems there may be another to add to the collection.

http://www.rense.com/general67/showd.htm

NASA Transmission Showed Distinct UFO
8-2-5

Tonight at approximately 2:15 Central time on DirectTV Satellite channel 376 (NASA) they were broadcasting a shot from the Shuttle/Space Station of the darkened earth, where only the city lights could be seen apart from the faint corona around the edge of the globe. I could not tell if this was live feed or not. This went on for roughly five minutes or so from the time I tuned in and then suddenly, an extremely bright, solid white disc appeared in the lower portion of the screen and shot inward, toward the earth, at terrific speed (leaving a tracer on the camera in its wake). As soon as this happened, the feed went black and returned to their standard map of the globe showing the orbital paths of the shuttle.
If anyone was taping around this time, double check your tape for this. It was definitely not space debris, was perfect in shape, appeared to be self-luminous and moved at a terrific velocity away from the camera, toward earth, getting smaller as it went. Below is an illustration of what was seen... (see link)

3/8/05 10:52 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

"Fusion Knight said...
Brian,

I'm not willing to rule anything out. What we need now is someone to build a device in their garage that shows anti-gravity can be produced easily and cheaply.

3/8/05 10:46 AM"


OK FK, research the best cheapest and best method,

My scredriver (kitchen knife) and my hammer (Kitchen ladel) are ready :))

seriously though, I'm on that idea, I dont have a garage, but we do have a lot of space here in St Kitt's...

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 10:55 AM  
Fusion Knight said...

Brian,

Are you willing to get your hands dirty and build something?

If we get enough people interested in the Galileo Project, we can all split the work of answering these questions... I can do some things, but trying to organize and promote this idea is already taking up a lot of time and energy.

3/8/05 11:07 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

FK, you gotta be kidding me...

...show me the work...

I'm ready to start...

The chance to build an Anti-gravity device, would be my dream project...

Not least surfing would be imediately enhanced by such a device :))

"Fusion Knight said...
Brian,

Are you willing to get your hands dirty and build something?

If we get enough people interested in the Galileo Project, we can all split the work of answering these questions... I can do some things, but trying to organize and promote this idea is already taking up a lot of time and energy.

3/8/05 11:07 AM"



Yep, I am ready, if someone presents a reasonable enough, and budgetable design for this AG device...

...I have readies in $'s to start building...

Darn these are exciting times...

FK, yep, lead the way on the AG research...

Am ready, I do possess a 'REAL' tool set of course from my Electronic Engineering days...

Yep I used to work for 3Com as an Electronics engineer, fixing circuit boards, working with test chip component test design teams, analysing digital and analogue signalling through Data Networks...

Oooh yeah, I was the Oscilloscope king...

Still got my tools, minus the gorgeous digital oscilloscope :-/

still, to summarise, I have available $'s I'm willing to put time and money into a real AG device too...

Yep would be a good side project to bide the time as NASA's fingers get more and more jarred in the cookie barrel

Interesting times FK :)

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 11:18 AM  
the old man from scene 24 said...

Richard,

Might I suggest a little Blogging device known as the Open Thread?

It's where you post nothing, simply saying this is an open thread, so that people visiting here can talk amongst themselves without filling up the comments sections of each of your posts with 200 irrelevant and/or off topic posts? God knows I am as guilty as anyone of extraneous blabber.

An open thread a day keeps the headaches away.

That way, we can concentrate our discussions on the topic of the blog entry, or if there is no topic (an open thread) we can concentrate of nothing at all. Ohhh, how Zen!

3/8/05 11:52 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

OMFS24, errrm am guilty too mucho...

"the old man from scene 24 said...
Richard,

Might I suggest a little Blogging device known as the Open Thread?

It's where you post nothing, simply saying this is an open thread, so that people visiting here can talk amongst themselves without filling up the comments sections of each of your posts with 200 irrelevant and/or off topic posts? God knows I am as guilty as anyone of extraneous blabber.

An open thread a day keeps the headaches away.

That way, we can concentrate our discussions on the topic of the blog entry, or if there is no topic (an open thread) we can concentrate of nothing at all. Ohhh, how Zen!

3/8/05 11:52 AM"


In fact I know your looking my way :)

IT's a fantastic idea, an area we could congregate, have virtual beers and then launch into the newest input onto the core blog of the subject of that moment...

...in this case the shuttle returning to flight...

OMFS24, trouble is the mental picture is so large, with so many dots, that not bringing extraneous data into the forum might leave out some vital/linked clu as to why this is all occuring now...

Seperating out the noise is hard true...

Some people are adding a whole heap of ideas here too...

Maybe just a single Daily open Blog that spawns new SUBJECT Driven core blogs...

Richard, you write interesting and questining articles, maybe a daily open thread somewhere on your enterprisemission area, could inspire you to new ideas and blogs?

Great input OMFs24...

Good ideas!

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 12:05 PM  
brian c said...

IonTruO2 said...
"VOSTOK, ANTARCTICA (AMP) — @lantisTV is reporting that a TV crew in search of a secret U.S. archeological dig in East Antarctica has disappeared. http://www.lantis.tv/amp/releases/crew.html"

IonTruO2... @tlantis.tv is a work of fiction. From their 'About Us' page: "Every week tens of thousands of Internet subscribers anxiously await news updates on a fictional archeological dig in Antarctica"

Don't feel bad though, they are very convincing (it's part of their "angle").. according to their page, even "World-class archeologists" are actually sending them real resumes! :)



FusionKnight... great find on that gravity.org site! I will have to read every word of it later. I've been wondering what Podkletnov has been up to.

FusionKnight wrote...
"What we need now is someone to build a device in their garage that shows anti-gravity can be produced easily and cheaply."

I think we need more... we need a completely reproducible antigrav (or free-energy device, actually I think this would be better first), and we need the plans for it released freely and openly, and copied to every corner of the Internet.

Joe Inventor in his garage could very well just get 'acquired' when he tries to market or publicize his device.

Do you guys remember "IT"? Dean Kamen's Segway? Before it was introduced, there was spectacular buzz about it. People such as Steve Jobs went on record saying things like it was going to be bigger than the personal computer, bigger than the Internet, entire cities would be redesigned around it, etc. And then the big day came... and we got, a freakin' scooter. Now don't get me wrong, it sure was a fancy, motorized, autobalancing, intuitively steered scooter... but it was still just a scooter. Bigger than the Internet??? Cities redesigned around it??? I recall reading that some of the people who gave such incredible testimony about it later said that the Segway was NOT what they had been shown.

Could Kamen have been on the verge of unleashing an antigrav device, only to have it pulled, and some of its "bells and whistles" (such as the advanced gyroscopic balancing system we might presume an antigrav device would need) put on a device that could be shown to the public?

3/8/05 12:19 PM  
Evil Eye said...

Ugh.. is all I can say.

After 255 posts.....

NASA is dead. And it should be. We need to privatize space travel, and let everyone do what thou wilt. When the "bad-guy" actually has the capability to mess with the people who get their money legitimately?... then we will worry.

I'd much rather send a few bucks to a private company that I had a choice in, than sending my hard earned dollar to a government entity that does what they want to with that penny.

3/8/05 2:15 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

"Could Kamen have been on the verge of unleashing an antigrav device, only to have it pulled, and some of its "bells and whistles" (such as the advanced gyroscopic balancing system we might presume an antigrav device would need) put on a device that could be shown to the public?"


WOW, now that is kewl input...

Brian c, nice nice, is there any way to investigate this on a more official level?

It sickening that OIL Companies apparently are squashing these excellent technologies, because they want to squeeze every last drop money out of our pockets and suck the earth dry...

Wanna let that carry on?

Me, No way...!

J aka 'Brian'

3/8/05 2:18 PM  
Fusion Knight said...

Brian c said...

"I recall reading that some of the people who gave such incredible testimony about it later said that the Segway was NOT what they had been shown."

Can you give a source for this? That would be an amazing tid-bit, if true. I remember all the buzz about "it" back before the Segway was released. It sure sounded like anti-grav to me...

3/8/05 2:26 PM  
crypt0 said...

Mass media is perfect for one-way communication. Mass media helps everyone subscribe to a non-local reality. Why else would the class warriors and politically active elites buy them ?

There's must be more benefit than simply cancelling shows that the owner doesn't like (ie : Rupert Murdoch cancelling Studs).

People who own media outlets fancy themselves as leaders who offer emotional guidance - and they do light the interior consciousness of ALOT of people.

Ed Dames could be signalling 'others' to do something. We can only guess whether that act is something in reality, or something in the 'minutum mundum' (the paper model).

People don't listen to Ed Dames because of his personality. If there's going to be some microbiologists killed over a long weekend, it might suit the murderers - oops, social engineers - to flood Coast to Coast AM with fake UFO reports. It could be a signal to shut off security cameras at certain intersections.

Brookings identified information as a weapon that is powerful enough to bring down society ... but what they don't brag about as much, is that the same 'elite' group has been quietly dedicated to gaining just such a weapon over Western Civilization.

The inner circle have built themselves a castle and feel insulated. We're in a new Gilded Age and the end of the Cold War, and the dot com era have masked the strict hierarchy.

What we're witnessing with NASA is part of a broader strategy of 'pulling up the ladder'.

3/8/05 3:53 PM  
IonTruO2 said...

Brian C,
My sincere appologies! I gave it a cursery glance and didn't delve into it.
Richard's comment: "the REAL space program -- which IS walking amid the ruins at Cydonia!"
Was that him just being rhetorical, or what?

3/8/05 5:34 PM  
crypt0 said...

Gilligan mentioned Stephen Greer's comment about "Let's not waste time prosecuting the misguided perpetrators".

I disagree.

Stephen Greer is a beltway-brat, so perhaps he doesn't want a witch hunt to lynch his neighbors. People have trusted him ... but he doesn't speak for me.

An Agency that declares its own people to be an enemy (albeit an enemy of the state-within-the-state) ought to be subject to War Crimes and within reach of the Criminal and Civil Courts.

I'll cheer Stephen Greer's attempts - but I won't waive the right to prosecute. If we get the evidence together, IMHO, we should assemble superior legal firepower and send a clear message to future generations :
Don't mess with we-the-people.

Serve legal notice : Whistle-blowers notwithstanding, nefarious class warriors and their servants will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law ... we're watching you :-)

Some dream of the day they can get their hands on the technology ... others will dream of the day they can get their hands on the people who play fast & loose with people's lives ... lock 'em up with the sociopaths & psychopaths.

3/8/05 5:48 PM  
crypt0 said...

There is a different psychology to a capital city ... and maybe Stephen Greer was influenced by growing up in DC ? I am of a different school of thought.

In the immortal words of Sting, "Pawns in the game are not victims of chance" ... which amnesty implies.

Granted, we're not talking about gas chambers, but we are talking about INSTITUTIONALIZED psychopathic and sociopathic behavior.

A soldiers first loyalty is to the people, the country they are sworn to defend. If every kid learned in school that a military is about external threats and that a uniform is no excuse to commit crimes ... we would all be better off.

We laugh about Military Intelligence being self-contradictory, but the key distinction is the intent behind Black Ops.

A weapon that is intended to be used against unarmed Americans is NOT in the same category as a weapon intended to stop an invading external force.

I don't (yet) buy into the idea of "let's forgive them because they only steal from people they know".

3/8/05 6:29 PM  
brian c said...

Fusion Knight said...
"Can you give a source for this? That would be an amazing tid-bit, if true. I remember all the buzz about "it" back before the Segway was released. It sure sounded like anti-grav to me..."


I managed to find this article, which references a New York Times article (which I didn't follow due to registration)
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-954339.html

The man who allegedly denied that the Segway was the "IT" that he had been shown is Bob Metcalfe, the founder of 3Com:

"Metcalfe told the New York Times earlier this year: "Some months ago when speculation was running high, I said that Kamen's IT was more important than the Internet, but not as important as cold fusion, had cold fusion worked out. The IT I was talking about, which I did not disclose, was NOT Segway. That's all I can say."

3/8/05 10:05 PM  
crypt0 said...

Ed Dames' Shuttle Disaster Prediction

Art Bell has never justified his media interest in Major Ed Dames, but there MUST be more reasons, because if we know all there is to know about Art's reasons for giving Ed an audience of 10,000,000 listeners, then Art has fallen completely off his rocker.

Ed is not a remote viewer, he is a BAD remote viewer, but that's because he was chosen for his theatrical and calculated story-telling ability. Spies (people/assets) are transplanted into the public marketplace of ideas, then, after they are transplanted and established, tell them what to do, or what to say. The purpose of planting Major Ed must be communications. Considering his dire predictions for the Shuttle, his purpose is certainly not Public Relations.

When he talks, go for the names, places and dates and approach them like data sets. Ed doesn't speak in metaphor, simile, or parable, he remote views Satan and speaks to people who interpret prophesy from mass media.

The post WWII war has been against communism. The statues and monuments around CIA and NSA buildings are dedicated to Adam Smith and the Wealth of Nations = CAPITALISM. The War against Communism requires projecting images of Aliens as abductors and anal-probers because there is nothing more frightening for corporate America than something coming from the other side of the wall that is bigger, stronger or smarter than your State-within-a-State.

The psephologists in Washington and the Captains of Industry in New York are terrified of ET because Old Money (the dynasties that practice geo-politics) were in the business of being the 'inseminator civilization', so they know what comes after the greetings : a flag ceremony followed by insemination.

Old Money know that words like 'exploration' and 'contact' are just a candy-coating, so, they know that ET, if he is anything like the predatory cultures here on Earth, will be taking ownership of things, currently in the possession of those deemed to be inferior. If ET is like Old Money, he will also want all of our gold, silver and the contents of the museums & archives.

Board Members become Zoo Exhibits : come see the man who thinks 1% should control 90%.

Ed Dames' bolt from the Black is small potatoes compared to abduction and anal rape by Black Ops. Having a 'character' like Major Ed Dames predict the Shuttle's doom will distract people, giving the mass media the tools it needs to marginalize a story : a lowest common denominator, or a kicker story, to work with. Ed Dames is poised to be the weakest link in a news chain. Maybe not this one ... but perhaps the future ? Right or wrong, Mil Intel, Co Intel Pro or hock, Art will have him back and there will be more.

I hope all extra-constitutional Agencies out there read my last comment about prosecuting Black Ops ... and lose some sleep :-)

Love the truth, and the lie, use like poison ...

4/8/05 1:46 AM  
jasgrave333 said...

Brian c, this is massive FREAKING coincidence, I used to work WITH Bob Metcalf, years ago, when BICC Data Networks were bought out by 3Com in 1990.

I was working in the product Test and Design department for BICC/3Com.




"The man who allegedly denied that the Segway was the "IT" that he had been shown is Bob Metcalfe, the founder of 3Com:

"Metcalfe told the New York Times earlier this year: "Some months ago when speculation was running high, I said that Kamen's IT was more important than the Internet, but not as important as cold fusion, had cold fusion worked out. The IT I was talking about, which I did not disclose, was NOT Segway. That's all I can say."



To add some more to the above...

Bob was a nice'ish guy...

Capable of not revealing ALL the facts in an obtuse way...

a normal person, he was...

Knowledge of the Segway... Very likely.

In the early days, before the internet became commercial

Myself and all the boyz at 3Com/BICC used to smoke the odd spliff outside the work place and chat about life...

There was a larger 'inner' circle of management, that clearly had their own agenda...

The company changed when the .Com era really started, and the circle of ones with 'inner' knowledge, split away, and turned up from time to time at various technical shows for networkings...

Thanks Brian C, it's funny what life turns up...

;)

J aka 'Brian'

4/8/05 7:16 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

Ccrypt0 said...

>Art Bell has never justified his media interest in Major Ed Dames, but there MUST be more reasons, because if we know all there is to know about Art's reasons for giving Ed an audience of 10,000,000 listeners, then Art has fallen completely off his rocker ....

>Ed Dames' bolt from the Black is small potatoes compared to abduction and anal rape by Black Ops. Having a 'character' like Major Ed Dames predict the Shuttle's doom will distract people, giving the mass media the tools it needs to marginalize a story : a lowest common denominator, or a kicker story, to work with. Ed Dames is poised to be the weakest link in a news chain. Maybe not this one ... but perhaps the future ? Right or wrong, Mil Intel, Co Intel Pro or hock, Art will have him back and there will be more ....<


I agree.

Dames is OBVIOUSLY (to anyone familiar with mil/intel operations) a visible "plant." The question is: to do WHAT? It is NOT a trivial question ....

Perhaps, Crypto, it would be useful to expand upon your choice of "web identity" here. The academic background [if not the choice of the name itself -- now (thankfully!) shortened] which allows you these inciteful analyses .... :)

4/8/05 3:00 PM  
Anonymous said...

unipax

crypto, 2 things;
1. yeah, I hear you re prosecuting & serving notice to future clowns.
2. re why would art bell host ed dames ? It appears art bell went 'south' a while back
aloha, c

4/8/05 3:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

unipax

cryto,
If you listen regularly, just consider which topics & guests art bell no longer hosts.
I recall observing a rift develop between he and a certain genre of guests.
Also consider what he now hosts.
Do we detect a pattern?
aloha, c

4/8/05 3:24 PM  
crypt0 said...

International Law and diplomatic recognition leads to studying distance communication because it was the key to British Imperialism. The key to the British Land Management System (aka : Western Capitalism) was the nomenclator - aka noun generator.
My hard evidence :
-the noun generator found among the personal effects of Admiral Sir Francis Beaufort.
-American adaptation (patented by Jefferson) known as Jeffersons Cipher Wheel (wheels on a cylinder)www.monticello.org/reports/interests/zoom/disassembled_wheel.html
-Jeffersons instructions (as President) to Lewis & Clark through Louisiana to the Pacific.
www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0306/lewisclark.html

Those instructions laid the foundation of the American system (through the Dept of the Interior) - nomenclators produce alphabet tables that look like a word-seek puzzle and form what a linguist would call an onomasticon and a code-breaker would call a columnar transposition cipher. Jeffersons cipher is also known as the M-94 cipher wheel, used for two centuries by the US Army and (I'm told) still in use by the US Navy Signal Corps today and remains unbroken.

(insert conspicuous cough & wink here).

The noun generator would be inked, rolled onto paper and the letters would be used as a coordinate grid reference system (secrecy needs a practical purpose).

Which gets us to Major Ed Dames. If he were sending a message, he would not need to send the message with what he says. On the alphabet table (onomasticon), he would black out the squares for the real message, then make up bogus stories using all the squares around the 'isogram' that forms the intended message - usually place names, but sometimes the sender looks at the word-seek puzzle and sees words like, "Space Shuttle" and "Kill Shot".

It's the missing letters that we need ...so, the more details, the better.

It's hard to put into a nut-shell, but it's not free-association, but measurement. Tools for external territorial expansion were used for internal consolidation and concentration of power to create the Gilded Age.

My research picks up where Col Wm. Friedman left off. Few are aware that the most decorated man in America - the Man Who Broke Purple - had two decades of research seized by the NSA, and died trying to get it back in court. Friedman could NOT understand why ciphers from the Revolutionary War and the Civil War would be re-classified ... but the 1950s and 1960s were not good times to expose the hidden hand of capitalism and man was heading into Space.

If anyone is interested : try Google Images : 'CIA Kryptos Adam Smith' or just CIA Kryptos. The NSA Cryptologic Museum has photos, but the most realistic image is at www.nsa.gov/gallery/photo/photo00020.jpg

4/8/05 5:48 PM  
crypt0 said...

I recall Art Bell telling one caller that he used to spend alot of time wondering about Ancient Egypt until Zahi Haiwass showed him the living quarters of the Arab Egyptians who built the pyramids.

Art doesn't think there are any "cabals" out there, but the profit motive and preservation of capitalism drives every Board of Directors and every CEO (the ones that have something to lose).

Art ridicules the idea of collusion & corruption by elites, but he doesn't distinguish conscious intention from unthinking convention.

I like to think that I could force Art to give some ground :-)

Maybe Art thinks Economics is 'random' like the weather, or maybe he golfs with people who tell him that the rich get richer by natural selection ?

5/8/05 1:40 AM  
Richard C. Hoagland said...

:)

5/8/05 3:12 AM  
SunKing said...

Crypt0,
Most interesting! Thought I had a little knowledge about the crypto world, but I see I've overlooked some history!!

5/8/05 6:40 AM  
Telliano said...

I asked several questions yesterday and now they are completely off the board?

Someone editing this?

Telliano

5/8/05 3:30 PM  
jasgrave333 said...

Richard, some input from St Kitt's on the flight 358...

I was talking with a pilot here last night, an English fella, who lives here (like me)...

He has over 10,000 hours flying experience...

He completed the flight in this same airbus via Microsoft Flight Simulator...

...a recognised Air industry standard s/w flight simulation package.

Apparently you can build up flight hours using this package..?!?


so

HE completed the flight to the airport in raging Thunder conditions, in this same environment but in a virtual way...

I understand it, I'm just explaining it better...

My point is this...

HE said he had *NO* problems completing that landing on that flight on that runway, in those conditions...

...he did observe thought that the air brakes...

...the large flaps on the wings were not extended to slow the plane down...

He also knows that there *WAS* an exlectrical blackout before the plane landed, his sources confirmed that!...

HE said, although not to quote directly...'the blackout on the plane was unusual at best'


we both agree here in St Kitt's, HD physics anyone?

Richard, your site:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/2005/08/return-to-flight-enterprise-surprise.html

is broken, I think I have a saved copy somewhere...

I'll dig it out and email it if you want?

J aka 'Brian'

6/8/05 6:57 AM  
Chris In Tacoma said...

MILLION times more sensitive than Spitzer's equivalent instruments orbiting the very distant Earth

2/9/05 10:00 PM  
Chris In Tacoma said...

sorry had to post that as I couldnt read it on the top of the blog....guess I could have pasted in text doc, but......
:)

2/9/05 10:01 PM  
Chris In Tacoma said...

What the hecks going on here?

2/9/05 10:05 PM  
Mark said...

Regarding New Orleans, I wonder if this was Hollywood, would the FEDS and local government take this long to respond ? !

5/9/05 12:27 PM  
Wayne G. Holland said...

Hoagland, can something happen in the world that you do not attempt to wrap your sick paranoid fantasies around? Katrina has killed and displaced many people and all you can do is find a way to promote your paranoid agenda. It's a hurricane, period. How about working to actually help the victims rather than try to prove some hyperdimensional, alien, governmental conspiracy.
You make me sick.

7/9/05 2:32 PM  
Jian said...

Richard, keep up the GREAT work! I know you're being dragged kicking and screaming into an understanding of some things the majority of citizens would rather not believe. Your hesitancy and reticence to believe the worst is palpable and to me, heart warming. I am well aware you've seen many dark deeds done by those in power. The sad part is, it gets much worse. I grieve for the human species and myself as well for I too am a card carrying member of this species.

The greed and corruption of those in power may doom us all if those of us of good conscience and faith and the ability to hope for a brighter future do not awaken from our artificially induced lethargy. Your writings and insights are a clarion call for us to awaken and throw off the yokes of the Paper Tigers pretending to be our masters. The only thing you may be sure of is that there is NO limit to what those who are in power will do to maintain that power. Was hurricane Katrina and those preceding "her" directed/driven so that it would do the maximum amount of damage? Of course they were!

There are stories not being told. Why would a group of hostiles shoot at the Army Corps of Engineers trying to repair the levee? If they were looters, why weren't they out looting? In almost every armed confrontation with police, the police have come out on the losing end. Yet, the police that shot it out with these unknown hostiles prevailed and took no casualties. Were they really police? Or were they a special forces team? According to the news media there were snipers in New Orleans shooting "randomly(?)" at people trying to help the victims of the disaster. Yet, "Marine One" with the President of these United States flew low over the city without an escort of gun ships. Why? What did the Secret Service know? I've done personal protection work. There is no way I would allow one of my Principals into such a situation.

The problem is not oil availability. It is our ability to refine the oil into gasoline. Why is it that numerous refineries have been operating at 25% of their capacity? They are now increasing their output - albeit slowly - to take up the slack from the refineries damaged by the storm. Why did our President continue his vacation for 3 extra days following the worse natural disaster to befall our nation in our recorded history? Where was Dick Cheney during all of this? The answers to these questions will lead to more. Happy hunting my friend.

8/9/05 2:07 AM  
Keiarix said...

Hi My name is Denise in NY...if you look right now hurricane Ophelia is now showing evidence of forming six little legs..... look on the satellite pichttp://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200516_sat.html

it is very faint but if you look close you can see them............

8/9/05 5:12 PM  
Anonymous said...

I think the world is a weird place to be now.....DemocrasyNow1@yahoogroups.com

8/9/05 6:49 PM  
keiarix said...

The satellite pic of Ophelia is removed....but I have a copy will try to send it to this site later......

8/9/05 8:12 PM  
Mark said...

Anonymous said...
I think the world is a weird place to be now.....DemocrasyNow1@yahoogroups.com


I really have to agree with you !

We're living in Bazarro World where right is wrong and wrong is right and nothing seems correct !!!

9/9/05 9:58 AM  
ericswan said...

first it's telephone hangups and if you really bug them, scalar attacks. I suppose the next step in the procession is disappeared.

9/9/05 12:55 PM  
Anonymous said...

Just curious about Richard C. Hoagland's educational credentials. From what schools did he attend/graduate? Where did he get his undergraduate degree and in what field of study? Masters? Doctorate? Physics, astrophysics, etc., are all extremely specialized fields of study and I assume Mr. Hoagland is fully qualified to comment on them but I've been unable to find any... any information about his academic background at all. Do you have one, Richard?

9/9/05 10:04 PM  
Mark said...

Anonymous said...
Just curious about Richard C. Hoagland's educational credentials.


You Know.....Some people in this world are just born with Great Gifts, like Albert Enstein, Thomas Edsion & Carl Sagan....I believe Richard is one of them, with or without (Diploma) ! ;)

10/9/05 6:44 AM  
AnaMata RaMuAn, Prime Creator Source said...

So Be It, Lionheart, Good After Noon,

AnaMata RaMuAn here, Prime Creator Source, and first of all, it is mine to tell you, Love I You Greatly Indeed, and next, to simply place you on honorable notice here, that,in that you and your comments section have opted to negate the data and information that Magdalena, indeed The Magdalene, has so granted to you earlier today, then, so it is that you have quite simply, disallowed the opportunity that the hearts of your quite brilliant Crew, here on these pages, would so open, and perhaps, that it could be possible for them, and for you, to come to understand that there is a great deal more goodness in Humanity than there is the lack thereof, and that at times, when it is that so many literally brilliant minds come together, in order to attempt to make sense of a difficult and trying situation and the quality of tragedy that all of Humanity is facing now, not only in the wake of massive storms and tsunamis that have already occurred but as well in the fear that such occurrences could possibly happen again without significant warning,
then those brilliant minds will have the tendencey to attempt to cast blame upon someone or something, in order to make sense of what certainly seems to be a dire situation.

That is only natural, however you must keep in mind when one is Captain of a forum such as this one, then, what tends to happen is that those very brilliant minds will tend to run away with themselves, and may certainly create qualities of a "feeding frenzy" that then begins to demonize individuals, with whom those persons have no personal contact whatsoever, and whose responsibilities they cannot even begin to comprehend, and of course, that is not skillful.

We realize that you have opened your forum for comment in the way that you have in order to provide the availability for data to be brought forward in perhaps an "anonymous" fashion, that would allow for the translation of data and information that would support you in your Great Work, and to lend it further clarity.

However, when one allows for that quality of mentation, or mental "game playing" that would attempt to "uncover" conspiracy behind every event, then one begins to significantly muddy the waters that one is in fact attempting to clarify.

Yes, there are those in "power" who do not wield that power well. That seems to come riding along with "power" does it not? While, at the same time, there are many men and women, and many families who are suffering, and, rather than to point fingers at shadows, it would be much more skillful to begin to refer to your previous work, hyperdimensionally, to begin to describe how it is that the natural processes that are inherent within the process of ascension are currently at play, in order to bring the quality of scientific and mathematically demonstrable information that you present to those who, as is demonstrated by those who post in your blog, could understand the magnitude of your data, and then, perhaps "distill" and translate it for a broader audience.

It was foolish of you, Lionheart, to disallow the posting of The Magdalene's words and explanation of the process of the ascension of The Lady Planet Earth Heart from your forum here, for in fact and indeed, it was certainly possible that the process of the opening of the hearts of your many admirers who are following your comments here, could have been begun therefrom.

We do not chastise you here, Captain, however it would be unconscionable for us not to point that folly out to you directly.

Should you care to renew your option to post the data and information that The Magdalene has so graciously and generously allowed for you, then, you may simply make a note upon your blog comments, and we well see to it that it is re-posted.

Should you not, then, Lionheart, it is necessary that we point out to you here that you have "cast your vote" in the judgement of what it is that we have granted you, in order to assist you, and in that, should you prefer to manage it in that fashion, then you have simply declined the opportunity for the opening of your own great heart, that we understand has been wounded along the way, and therefore we do not make that statement lightly, but, it would be tragic for one such as yourself, who is so accomplished, and so brilliant, and who has struggled so long and so hard, to leave behind the very heart of the matter itself, in your quest for a greater understanding.

For without the heart to lead the way, any understanding that you may pursue will be ultimately barren.

So Be It, Lionheart. We will see what you do.

And, again, and as always, without exception, Love I you greatly indeed, and our Highest Regards to your Beautiful Lady.

AnaMata RaMuAn
First Cause
Prime Creator Source

10/9/05 9:01 PM  
Anonymous said...

LOL... "Hog"Land Is a dan Lunitic. Everything he says can be explained by something called logic. Maybe "Hog" and the rest of his cult should get some basic reasoning skills. For the Record "Hog" is NOT a Scientist, and seems quite the idiot. Instead of reading the crap he spews out read something by a real scientist.

11/9/05 1:33 AM  
Nineteen said...

Hi,
Richard I was unable to find an email link. Can you post your email address?
Thanks

11/9/05 7:39 AM  
ob2 said...

> Richard C. Hoagland said...
OB2 said...

>Hi Richard, i been watching the video documentary "The alternative three", i just wanted to know your opinion about the information in there (i hope you know about it), specially about the supposed 1962 man landing on Mars.

>Great blog, keep the independant minds lightning.<




Years ago, I casually dismissed "Alternative 3" as just "a bad sci-fi attempt."

But after all we have discovered over the past 25 or so years, re the ruins on the Moon, those on Mars ... the HD Physics -- and the demonstrable environmental effects of this changing Physics on the entire solar system, including Earth -- I've changed my mind ....

"Alternative 3" seems to have been written (and then videotaped) as a "cautionary tale" -- re what "could be coming" ... from the perspective of the 1970's ... by someone on the "inside?"

At least, that's my current thought.

Aspects of it were obviously DELIBERATE disinformation -- like "a manned Mars landing in 1962" -- which, if it HAD happened, would have effectively prevented ANY of the revealing unmanned Viking images of Cydonia and the "Face" and "City" from being released. This "disinfo" was designed, it seems, to keep the ideas from 'going mainstream; the intended audience would seem to be ONLY those who can "put the dots together" as events emerge, confirming the magnitude of the coming environmental changes which could overtake the Earth.

Those aspects seem to have been an eerie foreshadowing of the precise images we're seeing on our TV screens ... even NOW.

Bottom line: "someone" seemed to know things about the "changing global environment" decades ago, which are ONLY revealing themselves now. The main question then becomes: in terms of the three "scenarios" for "saving" a portion of Humanity in "Alternative 3," what ELSE did the writer(s) REALLY know ...? <

I've founded a web site with "Alternative 3" videos, it seems there's also a newer version of the movie with updated info i think.

Videos : http://www.thule.org/brains/aroundtheconspiracy.html

General info on Alternative 3 :

http://www.thule.org/alt3.html

11/9/05 9:14 AM  
Anonymous said...

you know what i find strange as hell is all the next day when they were holding a press conference the next day right the presidents press secretary kept stressing the word NATURAL catastrophe the whole time while making statements to the media......hmmmm.....was he trying to tell us something by not telling us but stressing the word NATURAL.....if you can find the footage you can see for yourself....i thought it quite peculiar

13/9/05 5:31 AM  
Anonymous said...

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13/9/05 6:05 AM  
Anonymous said...

http://www.enterprisemission.com

13/9/05 6:07 AM  
Anonymous said...

This ties in very interestingly with this week's column from AlMartinRaw.com.

Max (arisoft@dogmatch.com)...

14/9/05 1:09 PM  

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